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World Press Photo Winner Accused of Photoshopping

vikingpower writes "The winner of this year's World Press Photo award, Paul l Hanssen, is under fire for allegedly having photoshopped the winning picture. The Hacker Factor is detailing the reasons and technicalities for the accusations. ExtremeTech also runs an item about the possible faking. Upon questions by Australian news site news.com.au, Hanssen answers his photo is not a fake. The whole story, however, is based upon somewhat thin proof: three different times in the file's Adobe XMP block; this does not necessarily mean that more than one file was used in order to obtain a composite image." Update: 05/14 20:04 GMT by S : World Press Photo says the photo is genuine.

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  1. I can tell from the pixels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...and from having seen quitr a few shops in my time.

    1. Re:I can tell from the pixels... by gl4ss · · Score: 0

      ...and from having seen quitr a few shops in my time.

      boat shops? been playing too much outrun?

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  2. Happens All the Time by paysonwelch · · Score: 1

    This actually happens more often than you think. Usually the are found out. I remember seeing one example of a poorly clone stamped image where the photographer made the dark clouds from an explosion look bigger. And don't forget Martha-Gate, when they photoshopped her head onto a body model for the cover of Newsweek.

    1. Re:Happens All the Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if all they have as evidence is an XMP block, that just means an Adobe product touched it in some manner. It could have been something nefarious, or he could have just used it to crop the photo. Whatever the truth, it's really hard to prove.

    2. Re:Happens All the Time by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

      This actually happens more often than you think.

      I just assumed it was par for the course now. I thought that pretty much every newspaper and magazine photo was photoshopped at least some these days. I certainly haven't seen a magazine cover since the 80's that I didn't think was photoshopped to within an inch of its life.

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    3. Re:Happens All the Time by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but if all they have as evidence is an XMP block, that just means an Adobe product touched it in some manner. It could have been something nefarious, or he could have just used it to crop the photo. Whatever the truth, it's really hard to prove.

      there's more than just adobe product touching it.

      also, just forgetting to bring the original to a place where many people had disbelief in the photo... how the fuck did he get the award without the original?

      at the very least all the levels on the picture were adjusted severely to bring out the pop - at worst composited from entirely different pictures.

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    4. Re:Happens All the Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you read the HackerFactor story, they also claim the shadows are incorrect and other pictures of the same people suggest that dirt may have been added to the face of one of the children. In addition they look at the ELA (apparently that means Error Level Analysis) and determined that it is inconsistent across the image.

    5. Re:Happens All the Time by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      I thought the truth was pretty damn obvious myself, someones kids were killed. The tragedy for me is that they never got to experience life - very haunting, photoshopped or not. What sucks is that you get people (like this photographer) who go out of their way to use 'dead children' for propaganda, personal gain, or to push some agenda. Guy seems morally bankrupt, saw this as a money shot and used it as such.

    6. Re:Happens All the Time by Goaway · · Score: 2

      ELA is complete and utter garbage, and can not be used to show anything at all. It's like looking at tea leaves.

    7. Re:Happens All the Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been "photoshoping" long before there was such a thing as photoshop, in fact, as long as photography has existed. There are things you can do in the darkroom (google it) and things you can do with an airbrush to a finished print. I did a lot of this for fun as a teenager; I remember one picture I took of myself standing in front of a giant ham radio reciever, which was actually a photo of myself, cut out, and placed in front of the radio.

    8. Re:Happens All the Time by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 2

      Whatever the truth, it's really hard to prove.

      It would be easy if the photographer supplied the RAW image like he was supposed to. He conveniently "forgot" to bring it. Instant disqualification in my book.

    9. Re:Happens All the Time by Loether · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I take your point, However, I don't see a better alternative. Without photojournalists showing the horrors of tragic events what does that leave, Only writers are allowed to tell the story's without photos? Or, perhaps discussing tragedies in any form is bad? I personally think we need more photo journalist willing to go to the battlefields and in the case of the photo Gaza city so that more civilized people like you and me can sit at our computers and have a debate about whether or not what they are doing (taking photos of emotional, bloody events) is worthy or not. That way I don't have to get physically dirty.

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    10. Re: Happens All the Time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It looks like either its an HDR composition of several exposures, possibly with some dodging and burning, but the same effect could have been achieved with a flash.

      I don't know the rules for this particular contest, but HDR wouldn't be contrary to many standards, although dodging and burning might be. Flashes aren't.

    11. Re:Happens All the Time by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Why can't a RAW image be faked?

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    12. Re:Happens All the Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They can (it is just a bunch of bytes like anything else), but it is more difficult as standard image editing programs don't save to the different raw formats.

    13. Re:Happens All the Time by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They draw some lines showing where the sun is. They then claim this means the illumination of the faces is wrong. Without any proof, and without allowing for the possibility that they are illuminated in some other way.

      Why am I reminded of the moon landing conspiracy theorists?

      As to Error Level Analysis, it can indeed show composites up. But there is nothing strong enough in the ELA they show to indicate compositing.

      It's pretty obvious just looming at the photo that it's been enhanced. I don't see the problem with increasing contrast, even selectively, to make a better photo. It still shows exactly what was there, and nothing else.

      A composite would be different, and that would indeed be a scandal. But there's no evidence of a composite here.

    14. Re: Happens All the Time by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yes, HDR (High Dynamic Range) modifications to an image would be contrary to the Photojournalism standards in this particular contest. They are pretty strict. You're allowed to crop (sort of), mild modifications to levels and curves but nothing along the lines of what he purportedly did.

      For the New York Daily News, El Reg or Slashdot - it's fine. Photojournalism, it's not.

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    15. Re:Happens All the Time by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If you would have looked at the links, you would have seen that, indeed, other photographers had taken pictures of those exact same people. This guy tarted up the photo in ways that are not considered appropriate for 'photojournalism' - a specific form of photography. It would be similar to someone trying to show a Kodachrome in a Black and White photo exhibition.

      The big issue was why the editors let it get through without the RAW file. So sorry dude, you don't bring everything to the table, you don't get the prize.

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    16. Re:Happens All the Time by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I see a market for a tool to convert pictures in other formats to RAW, if there isn't one already.

      It's have to be a bit clever though as RAW stores more information than other standard formats.

    17. Re:Happens All the Time by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You can do it. It's just harder. Canon has a system that creates a digital provenance. It's used quite a bit in forensics. Nikon's system has been shown to be easily hacked.

      It's a matter of degrees. These guys are running a photography contest, not a police department.

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    18. Re: Happens All the Time by ArTourter · · Score: 1

      If there is enough dynamic range information in the original raw file (these days modern pro/semi pro easily do) , it is also very possible that this was an HDR style manipulation from a single exposure.

      You are right though that this look very much like an HDR

    19. Re:Happens All the Time by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well, it's not an _art_ contest.

      I would just say that he selectively adjusted the levels. from quick glance, that could explain how there's more dirt on the face.

      and well, generally that would explain how he "took" a photo that looks like airbrushed.

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    20. Re:Happens All the Time by Loether · · Score: 4, Informative

      In my mind, the question is, did he use more than one negative to create the image, or cloning or additions? I agree, the simplest way to put the discussion to bed is for him to produce the original raw file. He claims he used one negative and no cloning. He is either telling the truth or he is lying. The practice he *claims* to have done is valid and accepted by all photojornalist and more importantly the awards rules. FWIW, As an amateur photographer myself, I would not consider what he *claims* to have done to be wrong.

      The photojornalist's claim:

      "In the post-process toning and balancing of the uneven light in the alleyway, I developed the raw file with different density to use the natural light instead of dodging and burning. In effect to recreate what the eye sees and get a larger dynamic range."

      Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/photographer-says-his-2013-world-press-photo-of-the-year-is-not-a-fake/story-e6frfro0-1226642304141#ixzz2THb8ihps

      If I were him I would post the original, and the post-production images side by side. It would be very easy for him to do.

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    21. Re: Happens All the Time by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      To me it looks like the photographer took multiple layers of the same image and did a multiply effect on the stack to increase the contrast.

      Of course the accusations of manipulation or even the nomination itself would have nothing to do with any other political issues.

    22. Re: Happens All the Time by geniice · · Score: 1

      Not HDR. You need multiple exposers for that and the people look like they are moving too fast to make that viable. Its dodging and burning combined with a lot of messing with the colour curves.

    23. Re:Happens All the Time by geniice · · Score: 1

      The lighting on the faces is consistent with light bouncing off the building and onto the people.

    24. Re:Happens All the Time by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is the extra data that is in RAW has to be faked as well. It's not impossible but it would take more skills than your average Photoshop expert.

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    25. Re:Happens All the Time by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The big concern was that he cut and pasted different pictures - a huge Bad Thing in photojournalism. Puts you right up with Iran and China and all of those popular folks.

      I'm not convinced that he did. I think that he just adjusted levels and curves - that may have been 'too much' for pure photojournalism. The big screwup was the raw file. The judges should have disqualified him until he 'remembered' where he put it.

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    26. Re:Happens All the Time by DarthBart · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a joke that goes something like this:

      "If you have a choice between saving a man's life or taking a Pulitzer prize winning photograph of him plunging to his death, what shutter speed and aperture settings should you use?"

    27. Re:Happens All the Time by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The tragedy for me is that they never got to experience life

      You and I have different definitions of "tragedy".

    28. Re:Happens All the Time by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But blogs don't lie!

    29. Re:Happens All the Time by RenHoek · · Score: 1

      Only writers are allowed to tell the story's without photos?

      No, but there is a distinction.

      If a news reporter writes down a story and starts adding things that didn't happen, greatly exaggerate the events or puts a subjective slant on something, then it stops being news and becomes an editorial.(See Fox 'News')

      The same with journalistic pictures. You're allowed to take pictures at such a angle or with a specific technique that highlights the facts. But if you start taking pictures that misrepresents the facts or start photoshopping in post production, then it's no longer journalism but becomes expressive, i.e. art.

      People who think of the World Press Photo expect journalism, not art.

    30. Re: Happens All the Time by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      Seems like I remember reading about a few cameras out there now that use something like a 15 megapixel sensor and some fancy software to take three 5 megapixel images at the same time, making 1-click HDR possible?

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    31. Re:Happens All the Time by Alomex · · Score: 3, Informative

      If I were him I would post the original, and the post-production images side by side. It would be very easy for him to do.

      You mean like this:

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/gunthert/8485283411/sizes/o/in/photostream/

    32. Re:Happens All the Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the truth was pretty damn obvious myself, someones kids were killed. The tragedy for me is that they never got to experience life - very haunting, photoshopped or not. What sucks is that you get people (like this photographer) who go out of their way to use 'dead children' for propaganda, personal gain, or to push some agenda. Guy seems morally bankrupt, saw this as a money shot and used it as such.

      Right, the best way to expose the suffering of the children is to only take pictures of the happy ones who are safe and free.
      Idiot.

      As for the story, I don't really give a shit. It's not like traditional photography doesn't involve a large amount of manipulation, you're just doing it with chemicals and other darkroom techniques instead of on a computer.

    33. Re: Happens All the Time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If your definition of "high" is "higher than you'd normally get" you don't need multiple exposures. Lots of people make such photos from one RAW exposure. A RAW has considerably more dynamic range than a JPEG does.

    34. Re: Happens All the Time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Sure. It looks quite possible it was from a single RAW. When I say HDR I mean the way people tend to use it today: higher-than-a-JPEG dynamic range.

    35. Re:Happens All the Time by martin_dk · · Score: 1

      If local changes of contrast (or levels, saturization, exposure or similar adjustments) are allowed, then how do we define local?

      Local could be an area of the picture, a face, an eye, a single pixel, or some bunch of cleverly selected pixels.

      Any raw format digital or analogue has to be developed in some way, and as such interpretated. But for World Press Photo contests or any images claiming to document reality, only global changes should be allowed.

    36. Re: Happens All the Time by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      I don't think that's true. The photographer stated clearly in his description of the photo to the contest that it was created with an HDR like treatment of the RAW file. The AP photojournalism standards clearly allow dodging and burning:

      http://www.csus.edu/indiv/g/goffs/135%20photojournalism/Associated%20Press%20ethics%20code.pdf.

      Compositing two images to add or remove elements isn't allowed, nor is manipulating a photo in such a way that it misleads or changes the factual content, but there's no real suggestion that he did either of those things. He just tweaked the lighting a little.

    37. Re:Happens All the Time by martin_dk · · Score: 1

      Dodging and burning amounts to the same as developing variants of exposures from the same raw file into layers and then mask and clip desired layers. As a photographer he should know that.

      I'm sure he only used one original raw file for the photo, but the retouch he has applied disqualifies it as a pices of documentary

    38. Re:Happens All the Time by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      If local changes of contrast (or levels, saturization, exposure or similar adjustments) are allowed, then how do we define local?

      We're not discussing an algorithm. Photography is an artistic field and photography competitions are therefore necessarily judged subjectively. Anyone who's qualified enough to judge the World Press Photo is qualified enough to judge whether changes are reasonable enhancements of what was there at the time, or presenting something that wasn't there.

      Heaven forbid that that we end up with worse photography because of some misguided sense of purism.

    39. Re:Happens All the Time by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Did you read Hacker Free? He has two versions of the photo... they are different. One was published earlier, and looks more real. The award winner looks fake to me... (the lighting feels wrong) and it is.

    40. Re:Happens All the Time by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      In effect to recreate what the eye sees and get a larger dynamic range

      He brightened faces and muted colors. So no, it isn't what the eye sees. While the original is a powerful image, it isn't as powerful as the manipulated version.

    41. Re:Happens All the Time by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Sure. As I said it's been enhanced. Just as the photographer himself says it has. But it is not representing anything other than what was there at the moment the picture was taken. Nor has anything that was there been removed. There is no compositing. Nor compressing or stretching.

      Half of the photographer's artistry always happened in the dark-room. Now it's done with computer. Anyone suggesting photos should be exactly as was captured in a digital camera is asking for photographers to do LESS than in the dark-room days!

  3. Seriously? Secretly photoshopping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The "photo" looks like it was CGI'd from the ground up. It looks like it was meant to look that way.

    It looks like a Final Fantasy cutscreen.

  4. What isn't a lie anno 2013? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't even be bothered caring anymore.

  5. Typo by drainbramage · · Score: 3, Funny

    I believe the correct spelling would be Newsweak.
    News for people who don't want to know but find People magazine too deep.

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  6. Minor observations by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am not agreeing with or denying what Hacker Factor is saying, but I would like to point out some minor issues with the analysis.

    First, as to the lighting of the faces being brighter than in other pictures taken during the same procession, it is entirely possible there was a reflective surface to the crowd's right (picture left) which is making the faces appear brighter than one would think they should be in the alley way. Think of the reflective nature of the moon's surface which conspiracy theorists always ignore when talking about how bright things are in shadows. While the Photoshop effect could be the issue, note the wall to their right (picture left) which does have a reflective surface.

    Note also the man on the far left, next to the wall. Note how there is sun shining on the white cloth directly below his face. As everyone knows, a white surface reflects large portions of light falling on it which would also produce the lighting effect seen on the man's face.

    Second, as to the dirt on the girls face appearing differently in the photos, note the different angles of her head. In the winning photo the forehead is almost at a right angle to the picture taker whereas in the second photo it is pointing almost directly at the camera. The lighting in the second photo is much more diffuse than the first which could explain the difference.

    Also note that in the winning photo, the crowd is in a part of the alley which has exposure to much more sunlight than in the second photo.

    Again, I'm not saying the person didn't do what has been accused, I'm only pointing out possibilities to explain what is being shown.

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    1. Re: Minor observations by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 5, Informative

      The photographer has already explained the lat the photos have been retouched to affect lighting and dynamic range, he just didn't do what he was accused of, which was splicing different images together.

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    2. Re: Minor observations by Zeromous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have to agree with this, I actually see VERY LITTLE evidence of a splice of three "different" images.

      What is very possible, is three copies of the same image where spliced and lighting adjustment was performed on three splices separately. This is done for masking purposes, or situations of convenience.

      I believe in fact, this is what the photographer claims and I find the analysis of the pixel changes and shadows consistent with this.

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    3. Re:Minor observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a more in-depth technical analysis, we should consult the experts. I am, of course, referring to the esteemed commentators of Youtube fame.

      A definitive statement from the likes of Dedp00lR0x or NowImABelieber - possibly along the lines of "lol, so fake, this foto sux" - would settle the matter once and for all.

    4. Re: Minor observations by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      I think that is what he did too, selectively enhancing different parts of the image each differently. it matters little if they were done in separate copies or on the same image just at different places of the image(technically it's the same anyhow).

      however, I'm not so sure he would admit to that so directly on his own - because it's walking on a fine line what's acceptable and what's not. (since he could fade out entire persons with that technique, and it was supposed to be a photojournalism contest). because by selectively adjusting black levels you can in effect draw on the picture, fade things, make dirt appear as burnt skin...

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    5. Re: Minor observations by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The difference between multiple images and the same image is what is suspicious. It's just not what you would do in a normal scenario. When I need to edit an image (crop/balance), I normally don't need to load the original multiple times. It is possible that he made changes and could not undo them because he saved the changes or whatever. So rather than starting all over again, he loaded the original for different parts. But it's rather a sloppy way to do things. Most of the time multiple loads signifies multiple images. I do this for panoramic shots.

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    6. Re: Minor observations by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      He already said exactly what he was doing and why.

      "In the post-process toning and balancing of the uneven light in the alleyway, I developed the raw file with different density to use the natural light instead of dodging and burning. In effect to recreate what the eye sees and get a larger dynamic range. To put it simply, it's the same file - developed over itself - the same thing you did with negatives when you scanned them."

      You could call this "sloppy" digital editing, but you could also argue it just means he was trying to more closely simulate an analog photo processing technique that has been used for a long time...

    7. Re: Minor observations by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      Darkroom vs photoshop. Most of this is ignorance as to how much our images are manipulated in all cases.

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  7. It DOES look fake by Hentes · · Score: 0

    If the photo is real, why did the photographer go through all the trouble with filters and all kinds of photo magic just to make it look like fake?

    1. Re:It DOES look fake by Alranor · · Score: 2

      It looks to me as if he went for an HDR treatment of the image, which would also explain the alleged 3 RAW files in it - if he used the same RAW each time but with an altered exposure level to get the dynamic range he wanted.

    2. Re:It DOES look fake by log0n · · Score: 1

      Agree.. it looks like a well done HDR final.

    3. Re:It DOES look fake by fazig · · Score: 1

      Most photographs I've seen in the recent years were digitally altered in some way.
      Especially automatically applied High-dynamic-range Imaging is a quite popular "effect" in current cameras. A side effect of this is that many hobby photographers don't know how to adjust this method properly, or their camera doesn't offer that much options and as a result the colours on their photos seem to be unreal.
      But this doesn't mean that the photographs are photoshopped. Digitally altered, yes; photoshopped in the sense of altered content, no.

    4. Re:It DOES look fake by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Because no camera out there captures what your eyes see. Your eyes are the result of millions of years of evolution. DLSRs are the result of, what, 30 years of engineering? HDR was invented not to make unrealistic images but to make images that look like what you'd actually be able to see. It may look fake only because you're used to seeing images on the computer screen which have a "normal" compressed exposure range. Sorta like how when people watch high-framerate images on TV or movies, they complain it looks weird, because they're used to the slower framerate.

      Granted, plenty of people go overboard with HDR, and I don't know if the actual scene looked that way.

    5. Re:It DOES look fake by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      He does indeed claim he did it with one raw file. "The Hacker" makes a lot of hay about it being loaded/converted three times on two separate dates. Which sorta sounds like the guy is saying "He didn't do it how I would have done it, I can't see a reason to do it how he did it, therefore it must be a fake. To prove it, LIGHTING! Which is based on stuff I can't see."

      It reminds me of the people who make reasonable-sounding cases that 9/11 was an inside job. They make it sound questionable until your realize that there are hundreds of other explanations, they have no proof, and they want attention.

    6. Re:It DOES look fake by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Well it's just not usual for the same file to be loaded multiple times like be did. The JPEG which the photo is based (one of the issues is that the photographer has not provided the original RAW file) has multiple conversions from RAW in the data. That isn't normal. Normally you convert once unless you are slicing images. Suppose it was me. I would have converted it once. If I found that I didn't like my edits (light balancing, cropping) I would discard the jpeg by saving over it rather than editing it. Or I would have saved it as a new file. It's perfectly reasonable that he made multiple edits of the jpegs using the original RAW but it is not usual.

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    7. Re:It DOES look fake by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Silly question: How do you do multiple conversions from RAW? Is that an embedded JPG within the RAW file?

      Just that Lightroom just overwrites the previous JPG for me, replacing the whole file rather than updating it. I don't use embedded JPGs though, I just publish when needed.

      My RAW files on the other hand will show multiple edits on multiple days. I take the photo, I load it into Lightroom (which changes it), I apply my own changes, I may come back another day and apply other changes. I may make a virtual copy so that I can have two different photographs from the same RAW (e.g. different crops, B&W vs Colour, different contrast curvers, etc).

      No idea how any of that impacts the XMP data though :)

    8. Re:It DOES look fake by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      . It may look fake only because

      Because it is fake. If I was standing there with the photographer, the image he created wouldn't have been what I saw.
      He deliberately muted the colors, to take your focus away from the vibrant colors. He highlighted the faces, to well highlight the faces. While he didn't add detail to the photo, he did change the lighting. Made it lighter in some, and darker than others. NOT something the naked eye would see if standing there.

  8. not convinced by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm not an expert in photography and imaging, but upon reading the Extreme Tech article I wasn't impressed. Their stunning crescendo:

    I think most of you will agree, though, that the photo simply feels fake

    I was surprised they didn't simply go for "you can tell by the pixels."

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    1. Re:not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not an expert in photography and imaging, but upon reading the Extreme Tech article I wasn't impressed.

      The Hacker Factor blog post has a much better explanation and investigation into why the photo is a composite rather than a single original.

    2. Re:not convinced by Goaway · · Score: 1

      No, that analysis uses ELA, which is completely unreliable and not proof of anything, in any direction. Anybody who uses ELA as a proof has no idea what they are doing.

    3. Re:not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not really. He just establishes that the timestamp was likely wrong and shows us an ELA image with little commentary or explanation. And the metdata.
      How he concludes that it's a composite is completely left out.

    4. Re:not convinced by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      The bit with the shadow angles reminded me of those Apollo conspiracy sites. "The sun's on the right, nothing on the left can be illuminated at all!"

      Like ambient light doesn't exist.

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    5. Re:not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obligatory link.

    6. Re:not convinced by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1
      That's what I came here to ask. It sounded like bullshit:

      “Error level analysis (ELA) works by intentionally resaving the image at a known error rate, such as 95%, and then computing the difference between the images. If there is virtually no change, then the cell has reached its local minima for error at that quality level. However, if there is a large amount of change, then the pixels are not at their local minima and are effectively original.”

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    7. Re:not convinced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you tell because of the lack of barrel distortion? It's obvious that this is an extremely wide angle lens based on the distortion of vertical lines close to the camera, and yet those lines remain linear. I can't think of a wide angle lens that behaves like this. Find any extreme wide angle lens and take a picture in a narrow alley and you'll see the vertical walls "curve" around the center of the photograph, something distinctly absent in this photo.

  9. zero evidence by Njovich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The supposed proof of 'fakery' from the article seems entirely consistent with what the photographer says it is, different regions with different light intensities from the same raw file.The light angles seem entirely plausible, I guess the article writer hasn't heard of reflection. Even the moon landing nutters come up with better stuff than this.

    The only true thing is that (as the photographer also says), the light intensities are differing.

    Why wouldn't the photographer be allowed to change light intensities? Every single digital image, ever uses some kind of processing to turn photons into pixels on your screen, and there is always some level of subjectivity in how that is done, even if it's done right on the chip. Why is that an issue?

    1. Re: zero evidence by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

      "In the post-process toning and balancing of the uneven light in the alleyway, I developed the raw file with different density to use the natural light instead of dodging and burning. In effect to recreate what the eye sees and get a larger dynamic range"

      From the contest: " The content of the image must not be altered. Only retouching which conforms to the currently accepted standards in the industry is allowed."

      It seems lighting isn't the issue, so much as the accusation of image splicing.

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    2. Re: zero evidence by lahvak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems lighting isn't the issue, so much as the accusation of image splicing.

      Yes, but the image splicing accusation is largely based on the three conversions from raw. If he made a hdr image from a single raw, as he claims, he would obviously have to do several conversions of the same raw file. That would also explain different ELA brightness in different parts of the picture: they came from different conversions of the same raw file, so they were processed differently. Notice that there are several slight halos, for example on top of the building in the background, that would indicate a hdr from raw techique that the author claims he used. In fact, a single raw hdr was my first reaction when I saw the picture.

      The only thing left that would support possible splicing is then the lighting itself: the light on the faces is not consistent with the location of the sun. That can easily be explained by an additional (weaker) light source on the left (most likely a reflective surface on the left wall). The hdr processing emphasizes this light in the otherwise dark areas of the picture, which makes it look strange and unnatural, but is still does not prove splicing of several images.

      I don't know whether the single raw hdr techique "conforms to the currently accepted standards in the industry", but I am pretty sure I have seen it used in news images before. After all, it does not alter the actual scene in any way, it just emphasizes some parts of it differently.

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    3. Re:zero evidence by lurker412 · · Score: 2

      There are many ways to lie with a camera, and most of them don't rely on Photoshop--framing, cropping, timing, staging or simple selection from a number of shots. Rules tend to be arbitrary--composites may be utter fictions, but they can also be stitched panoramas that provide a wider view and greater detail than the lens/camera combination could provide in a single frame. Film shots were dodged and burned in the darkroom long before digital photography was created. Digital has merely made manipulation easier than it used to be. The only meaningful question is, did the photographer stay within the bounds set by the rules of the competition? Producing the raw file should provide a conclusive answer.

    4. Re: zero evidence by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      I'm more partial to think the lighting on the faces is more to do with a simple bounce from the sun. He assembled the image from three separate virtual exposures. It's likely he chose the brightest one to use for the faces, his normal exposure for the walls and stuff, and the darkest one for the sky. I don't think he assembled the "HDR" using some automated method. More likely he just used more traditional blending (overlay, etc) of the different exposures and some layer masks as photographers have been doing for long before it was labeled with the misnomer "HDR". The Palestinians fake and recycle a bunch of photos, but this doesn't seem to be one of them.

    5. Re:zero evidence by jovius · · Score: 1

      True. Even during the black&white developing process one can alter the lighting of the original exposure by various means. One simple method is to cover certain areas with hands while the photographic paper is exposed. Press images always have a viewpoint which is pronounced by a simple crop for example. Their function is to distill the context into a striking composition. This image conveys the feeling and the depth of the actual event really well - it's a good press photo.

  10. The fake times are upon us by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's no longer really possible for "normal" people to tell apart real images from photoshopped or even completely CGI rendered ones. Computer imagining has become this good.

    What's real? What's fake? Or rather, where does the fake start? Pretty much every ad picture is 'shopped. Models don't "grow" that way. A real human isn't pretty enough for us. And real reality isn't sensationalist enough either.

    Get used to fake images being broadcast as news. Thinking about it, you probably already are, you just don't know it yet.

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    1. Re:The fake times are upon us by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The news is almost already entirely lies. Adding fake images doesn't affect its trustworthiness at all.

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    2. Re:The fake times are upon us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's more interesting is how this will play out in the courts. Sure, the first few thousand people who get convicted based on fake photos will do time, but as soon as one person with power or deep pockets gets convicted this way, we'll find ourselves in a world where photo and video evidence is simply not enough to convict someone of a crime.

      And I have no idea what that's going to do to our criminal courts. It's going to turn them on their heads, however.

    3. Re:The fake times are upon us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why a prestigious prize like the World Press Photo should at least require handing in the original RAW file.

      It's still puzzles me how this went through.
      "I forgot to bring it"?!? Well then go home and get it.
      It's too far? It's the digital age, ask your SO to put it on Dropbox or something.

      The accusations have been going on for days now and he's still not produced the RAW file. When it's that easy to dispel accusations and you don't do it, don't be surprised if people become suspicious.

    4. Re:The fake times are upon us by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      It's no longer really possible for "normal" people to tell apart real images from photoshopped or even completely CGI rendered ones.

      To be honest, it never has been. Photographers, long before Photoshop or computers, have been editing photos to the point that normal people can't tell the difference. It's always funny to read some photographer go off about the abuse of digital editing these days and give evidence of some well known photo as what photographers used to do 'in camera' only to have some other photographer show the original photo and show that most of that great photo was not done in camera.

  11. Bit of retouching by MrDoh! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Looks brightened up a bit, but not other images thrown in. Can photographers not brighten/tweak contrast on a pic? Posting the original RAW file (if it still exists) would cover him for these sorts of accusations. Wouldn't it be prudent for a news agency to have a backup of the RAW files for A) these sorts of accusations B) their own tweaking of the pic for print/display?

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  12. Every photo is altered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All photos are photo shopped, (unless it's a raw which are very dull). Change of color levels, contrast, maybe some blur here or there, etc. What do they mean with what is real? That question is petty much lost these days. The question is not if, but by how much, and where we draw the line in this. Which might be different from contest to contest. ... Please turn down the contrast, things are not as black and white as they seem.

    1. Re:Every photo is altered by Grashnak · · Score: 1

      I was going to say this. Show me a professional photographer who doesn't do at least basic post-production work on his/her pictures.

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  13. "supposed" to show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    This photo is supposed to show mourners in Gaza City carrying children who died in an Israeli air strike

    No, it really does show mourners in Gaza City carrying children who died in an Israeli air strike. There's no dispute about the factual content. The only dispute is about dramatic enhancement. "Supposed" is an attempt to cast uncertainty about what happened on the ground, when the only uncertainty is how pretty the photographer made it look.

    1. Re:"supposed" to show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The event was staged. I don't mean the photographers told people where to stand but the event only happened because there were photographers there.

  14. The author has the RAW file. Case closed by gaspyy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The gritty look on the picture can be achieved with a local contrast filter. Combined with contrast and saturation manipulation, it's pretty easy to do. In Lightroom is just a matter of setting a few sliders - Darks, Highlights, Clarity, Vibrance and Saturation.

    Furthermore, the author says he has the RAW file and it was examined by the jury. Personally I know of no software that can currently reverse a jpeg into raw. It should be possible in theory to fake a raw file, but I sincerely doubt it's the case.

    Analyzing jpeg artifacts is snake oil. My photo workflow is this: shoot in RAW. Edit in Lightroom. Convert to ProPhoto 16bit/channel. Open in Photoshop, make any fine adjustments if needed. Output to jpeg. Only fools edit and re-save jpegs.

    This is simply one of the "fake moon landings" conspiracies, started by people who don't understand photography.

    1. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Toonol · · Score: 2

      Personally I know of no software that can currently reverse a jpeg into raw.

      Me neither, and now that I think of it, that's kind of a glaring hole. Somebody needs to write one, so that the entire chain of evidence can be faked. At this point, I think it's better to establish in everybody's mind that no photos can be trusted, rather than some notion that the fakes can still be distinguished from the real.

    2. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by naroom · · Score: 1

      Personally I know of no software that can currently reverse a jpeg into raw.

      Print at high res, then take a picture of the print!

    3. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Goaway · · Score: 2

      Analyzing jpeg artifacts is snake oil.

      Exactly. The second I saw that the accusers were bringing out ELA, I lost all reason to believe anything they were saying. ELA is almost completely random, and will show you whatever you want to see.

    4. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A side by side comparison of the photo that won the prize and the same photo published the day after it was taken.

      There was a lot of work done on the light levels in the prize winner, but it is the same photo.

    5. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      You'd have to write one for each variety of CCD, no?

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    6. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot convert back from JPEG to raw because JPEG compression is lossy. You can always find the compression pattern, or if somebody would try to remove it, the pattern of removed JPEG compression (e.g. smoothing).

      The most funny thing about the fake moon landing discussion is that you would get the best non-faked pictures you can get if you do a fake landing on a proper stage.

    7. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by BetterSense · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's exactly what I always do to digitize my darkroom prints...I use a Nikon D70 on a copy stand, which is much much easier for me than using a flatbed scanner. When I post images of my prints online, the images say "Nikon D70" in the EXIF data, even for an image of a cyanotype. That's just how I digitize my prints for posting on the web. So I can show you plenty of "raw files" "proving" that my images were "unmanipulated"...and I guess you are supposed to believe me that I found an alternate universe that is bluish monochrome.

      When I see any modern "photo contests" that require images to be "unmanipulated", I just shake my head. Not because I don't think that manipulation is good or bad, but because I don't think the idea of "manipulation" or "unmanipulation" is even a coherent concept in the context of what I call "information images", colloquially called "photographs(2)", which by their nature are manipulated and interpreted, and the authenticity of such information images has no meaning apart from the manipulative choices of the artist/programmer(s). A digital image can be considered no more or less authentic than a painting. They must always be considered interpretations because that's what they are, by their very nature; they have no nature apart from such interpretive manipulation; they must be interpreted to even be experienced. The common man only clings to the idea of an "unmanipulated image" because he thinks digital images are some different type of photograph(1), when in reality an "information image" (photograph(2)) is actually a fundamentally different (no matter how superficially similar) thing to a physical photograph(1). This is an example of the kind of "counterproductive metaphor or analogy" that Dijkstra talks about in one of his EWDs about radical innovations. The shift from photography to digital imaging is actually what EWD considers a "radical innovation" not some kind of evolution, and failure to understand this, evidenced by the fact that the common man thinks that digital images and photograph(1)s are similar things, is a tragic, limiting and counterproductive semiotic "false friend" that is only the more inevitable because the two things are so superficially similar.

      Photographs(1) can be manipulated, and the extent to which their image can be said to represent reality is totally open (see Jerry Uelsmann) and I'm not talking about that kind of interpretation in the "viewing space". I'm just saying that in the objective space, the ideas of an "authentic" or "original" photograph(1) at least is a concept that can be understood, that COULD make sense, however useful or useless it may be. With digital photographs(2), the concept does not philosophically exist (in my opinion) and only exists as some kind of mass illusion, where people declare an photograph(2) "unauthentic" because "I know it when I see it" (except they demonstrably do not).

    8. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

      Yes that wraps it up nicely. The sad thing is I find the less doctored photo looks much better.

    9. Re: The author has the RAW file. Case closed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You could create a RAW file easily enough, but it would be painfully evident that your 8 bit JPEG source data was not 10-16 bit RAW data. Not to mention the loss from the compression.

    10. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Flickr photo captions are currently interchanged. The image supposedly from November is the prize winner and the image they claim is the prize winner is apparently the image released in november.

    11. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      Somebody should write an algorithm that perfectly reverses lossy compression. Brilliant!

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    12. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      There was a lot of work done on the light levels in the prize winner, but it is the same photo.

      Sure, it's the same photo, but how did the photographer get light onto the right side of a man's face when the primary light source (the sun) was obscured? That would have required an off-camera flash, which is doable but uncommon.

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    13. Re: The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add some shaped random noise for the lower bits / losses. Duh.

      It usually is mostly noise anyway.

    14. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is simply one of the "fake moon landings" conspiracies, started by people who don't understand photography.

      More likely this was started by people who don't want the world to know that Gaza is populated with regular people who feel grief and anger when Israel bombs their homes and kills their children. Those who deviate from the story, that Palestinians are bloodthirsty animals who attack Israelis for no better reason then they are Jewish, that Israel is the most moral military in the world, and that strikes on Gaza are "surgical" and only kill terrorists are viciously attacked.

    15. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone mod this AC up. I think that this puts an end to the faked photo arguement.

    16. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Adobe allow you to convert your RAW to DNG? Will that also convert your JPGs to DNG?

      Some cameras produce DNG as their RAW format, so it must count. It's just going to look a bit shitty as it came from a JPG.

      (For what it's worth, I publish 100% quality JPGs. They're not as good as RAWs, but for most uses they're pretty adequate)

    17. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I always wanted to create an iPhone app to do something like that. I'd call it "Unstagram".

    18. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Photographs(1) can be manipulated

      No, photographs (here, sticking with your notion of not referring to digitally captured images as photographs, only things that use something chemically photosensitive) are manipulated. Every single one of them. Film speed and tonal behavior? Lens behavior like field curvature, chromatic smearing, and non-infinite depth of field? Choice of chemistry? Grain? Paper stock? How it's all souped? Filters to deal with color temps? The photographer's own choice of exposure method? The use of reflectors or supplementray lighting?

      Every projection of the scene by a lens onto a two-dimensional surface placed by the photographer somewhere that records that projection according to his or her thoughts on composition is a manipulation from beginning to end. The entire concept of a "real" image is just silly. Chemical production of grains that are patterned after the projected light, or variations in a grid of pixels pushed through an A to D process ... a distinction of no distinction other than the need to master a different set of tools.

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    19. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This must be generalized to:

      There is no such thing as "facts", "absolute truth", "unbiased" anything, and other such pseudo-scientific nonsense of the layman.
      Anyone with a basic understanding of simple physics already knows this. Things are relative.
      And anyone who ever heard of optical illusions knows this. Perception is biased.
      Finally, anyone who even remotely understands how neural nets such as our brain work, knows this so much it's not even funny anymore. The whole point of our damn brain is to bias perception based on individual previous perception for the pattern detection to work that allows it to predict the future (which is the brain's damn job) in the first place.

      Yet, low-life morons still cling to the comforting delusion of "absolute facts" and "unbiased news sources", which conveniently always happen to be those they and their local group agrees with and likes the most.

    20. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Your English is pretty good, but you need to learn a new phrase:

      Oh, I guess I was wrong. Goes to show.

      You should try it sometime.

    21. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by BetterSense · · Score: 1

      You are refuting a point I did not make. Please re-read the rest of the sentence you quoted: " The extent to which [they] can be said to represent reality is totally open (see Jerry Uelsmann) and I'm not talking about that kind of interpretation in the "viewing space" ".

      So I specifically addressed the point you think you are refuting and agreed with you on that point--the point being that neither the images experienced when viewing photographs(1) or digital images(2) has any relation to reality apart from its presentation by the artist and reception and interpretation by the viewer. There is nothing about an image viewed by silver gelatin that makes it more veracious or reality-representing. I never said that and never will.

      My central point is only that photographs(1) are objects, thus it is possible to apply the concept of an "original" to photograph(1)s, which can exist in objective reality as objects, however reality-representing their images may or may not be, and however useful or useless that "property of realness" may be (and I agree that it is of quite limited usefulness) in ascertaining the extent to which said photograph(1)'s image may be a representation of reality. That is all. Many people (yourself apparently included) do not observe this distinction, and I think this is a category error which leads to things like "unmanipulated photo(2) contests" which I think are comical in their not-even-wrongness.

    22. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously real. Just look at the light interacting on the Far Left Man's Ear. Then look at the even distribution of warm-light color of sunlight in foreground to cool-dark light on the crowd in the background, all mixed and blended well with the proper details that get lost in post processing like hair and eyes.

      Interesting how people have become acclimated to LDR when their own eyes are HDR. What exists and what's expected. Often different.

    23. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      My central point is only that photographs(1) are objects

      But this is where I think we disagree. A print is an object. Making a photograph is a process. There are many routes to that print (or projected slide, or gird of pixels on a tablet, etc).

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    24. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by BetterSense · · Score: 1

      If you think that only prints (Nth-generation photographs; N>1) are "photographs" then you are using a different definition of the word than I am. I am using the term "photograph(1)" to mean "an object onto which light has caused a physical change, forming a visible image". This means that photographic negatives, photographic prints, photograms, blueprints (the old kind) and color slides are all examples of "photographs(1)". An undeveloped negative or print is not yet a photograph, because the image is not yet visible until it's developed--you could call it a potential photograph, but if you admit that then everything is a potential photograph.

      I agree that a print (assuming it's a photographic print i.e. made with light) is a photograph. I also agree that making a photograph is a process, but I don't see what point you are trying to make there, other than to state the obvious. We already agreed that the image formed by a photograph is subject to all kinds of interpretation by both the creator and the viewer, and that both photographs and "information images" are similar in that regard. It still seems like are trying to refute the argument that photographic images are somehow more veracious that informational ones, which is a point I never tried to make in the first place.

    25. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by BetterSense · · Score: 1

      After re-reading your post, I think that you may have been saying (when you emphasized that a PRINT is an object) that the physical photograph is objective/physical, but the image conveyed by the photograph is not an object. And if so, I agree with you completely; this is a point I have never wavered from. This is what causes people to think that photographs and information images are similar things--they both are typically used to convey visual information--but they are not similar, anymore than any other physical thing can be similar to information. In order for them to be similar things, they would first have to both be THINGS in the first place. Books and eBooks, for example, are not similar things, in fact, they both aren't even things.

    26. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      Not before you (or someone else) can illustrate it. Because what I'm saying is that they both appear doctored.

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    27. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No surprises here. People who by now haven't learned that phrase typically never will. It was worth a try though.

    28. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      ... says someone with no experience in photography.

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    29. Re:The author has the RAW file. Case closed by svick · · Score: 1

      You cannot convert back from JPEG to raw because JPEG compression is lossy.

      Sure, but I believe nobody says he did that. Is there any reason why you couldn't take few RAW files, stitch them together and save the result as a RAW?

  15. Come on... by Epsiloni · · Score: 1

    Can't look ,ore photoshoped...

  16. Bring back film! by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    You can't shoop a 35mm negative.

    1. Re:Bring back film! by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      But you can other tricks such as taking a second photo using the same negative to similar effect. A bit more challenging, but still possible

  17. Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by photosonic · · Score: 2

    As a retoucher for 20 years, as soon as the image popped open on my screen it was yelling at me... "I've been retouched" The light and it's intensity is all over the place. It maybe the shot the photographer took, but he ruined it with terrible retouching.

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    1. Re:Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      You don't like the retouching, but given it won whatever the award in the title is clearly some other people did like it. So ruined from your perspective - made to appeal to the people judging that award in a less self centered perspective.

    2. Re:Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by photosonic · · Score: 2

      True. The award panel is looking at the emotional aspect of the shot. The visual colour/light aspect is what is terrible. There was no need to put a glossy magazine touch to a terrible situation other people are finding themselves dealing with.

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    3. Re:Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well let's see the string of awards you have then!

    4. Re:Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's too bad the photographer didn't bother to give the dead kids big tits, otherwise he could have gotten the photo on the cover of Sports Illustrated, too.

    5. Re:Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Killing kids is sport now?

      Actually, I could see how it might get serious TV ratings. See also: Battle Royale.

    6. Re:Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a spectator sport.

    7. Re:Oh yeah, it's Photoshopped by stymy · · Score: 1

      The claim is that he spliced 3 images together. There are no rules against fudging with lighting, contrast, and so forth.

  18. as a professional photographer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this does look like HDR tonemapping. I'm very confident it's a composite of the same *one* RAW file use. It's very difficult to match position and angle between frames, especially if you're a photojournalist on the go. It's possible he's using a tripod, but it's very very unlikely since it's a crowd marching towards him in a narrow alley. As someone has said, the sun is to the right, and probably bouncing the light from the wall on the left, but the photog toned down the hue on the walls to the point that they look like dark brown and unable to reflect anything.

    Furthermore, it's common practice for PJs to dodge/ burn photos. How much to dodge/burn is a point of contention among PJs. Personally, I think this HDR tonemapping goes way beyond what's acceptable by journalistic standards, since it removes the time of day regular people come to expect looks like.

    That's one of the reasons I got out of PJ and went to commercial photography. More freedom to manipulate. And to earn more money.

    1. Re:as a professional photographer by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a well known fact that crowds of greiving Gazans will all simultaneously freeze in their funerals so that photographers can get three good separate exposures for HDR!!! ~

    2. Re:as a professional photographer by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 1

      that's why likely it's the same RAW file 'developed' in camera raw for shadows / midtones / highlights and merged in PS with layers/masking to create a good HDR composite.

      It really depends from the rules of the contest if the above is acceptable or not, but I don't consider it more cheating than dodging & burning in the darkroom...

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    3. Re:as a professional photographer by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I know. TFA says the guy is claiming it is indeed one raw file. I don't know if allowing HDR processing is allowed, but as you said, it doesn't seem like it's outright cheating.

  19. Re:the Holocaust by Bartles · · Score: 2

    If Israel started shooting hundreds of unguided rockets into Iran, how long do you think it would be before Iran retaliated? If South Korea shot hundreds of rockets into North Korea would they let it be? If we started shooting rockets into Canada what would happen?

  20. Fake video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want to see an example of a crude fake?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BlEICvj6iA
    Israel attacked a UN school in reprisal for a missile launched from the school grounds that morning before dawn. There was an outcry, so they claimed the terrorist went back into the school after the launch, and did a bit of video editing to make it appear he did.

    They took the video of him going in, firing a rocket and leaving and stuck the first part onto the end. So now, after the edit, it shows him go back into the school.
    The shadows are problem, the moon was over the Med and heading west.

    http://www.jgiesen.de/sunearth/index.htm
    Israel is UT+3, on 29 Oct 2007, sunrise is 7.02am,

    The recorded missile firing happened at about 5am:
    http://194now.net/Killingfields/month_chrono.php?period=0710

    The moon was West of Tel Aviv heading west and a nearly a full moon.
    http://www.jgiesen.de/SME/index.htm

    So, they simply pretended it was 9am day, even though its clearly a low light camera in moonlight, there's no traffic, no schoolkids and no people around, and the event had been reported already as 2 hours before sunrise!

    I noticed that when people pointed out the problems with their claim, they went into astroturf mode, shouting down critics. I think there's a lot of that here, any image of what Israel does is claimed as a fake and shouted down. Yet nobody disputes Israel did that.

    1. Re:Fake video by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      so, what you're saying is, Israel made a faked video ( I haven't looked at any of your links). What does that have to do with this photographer photoshopping this image?
      You know, both the people you like and the people you don't like can make modified photos or video, right?

  21. Bounce flash? by Pigeon451 · · Score: 1

    The strong light coming from the left-area is consistent with a bounce flash. The left-most person has a high amount of directed light, while the rightmost does not. The rightmost is also shielded from the potential flash behind the person carrying the right-most child. If a bounce flash wasn't used, then perhaps a strong reflection from the sunlight from an object. Also, if a remote flash unit was used, it may not show on the metadata.

    The picture looks processed, but mostly to bring out the shadows and highlights. Not sure what the rules of the photography contest are, but not submitting the original raw is a little suspicious and this whole mess could be cleared up easily by the photographer.

    1. Re:Bounce flash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He claims the light as natural.

  22. Multiple photos by StripedCow · · Score: 0

    In the future, submitters should be required to submit multiple photos of the scene as evidence that their photo is real. For instance, if the photographer could show a picture of the same group of people from a different angle (e.g., from behind), then that would add to the credibility of the photo.

    Anyway, photoshop or not, it is still possible to "stage" a photo of course.

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  23. Enhanced or Fake? I say fake, because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I tend to say it's ok to enhance a press photograph here and there to emphasize or improve the communicated image and message.
    This already introduces "enough" bias in a photograph where the photographer decides how this type of postwork will affect the viewer.
    The bias is already present as different people see the photographed situation differently and thus would also try to capture the moment differently, according to the way they perceive it. When post-processing their already subjective photograph, their memory serves them in deciding what the photograph still needs to make it fit their memory.
    You can see that from the moment the scene is being observed by the photographer to the moment of saving the final press photograph for publication a lot of bias can be introduced.

    For me the analysis shows pretty well that adding in different elements from different photos, resulting in normally inexplicable lighting of subjects etc. is crossing a line.

    Therefore this photo (or collage, I should say?) should have been disqualified.

  24. Light Room 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It looks like it's be run through lightroom which is what he says he did to it!

    If you're not familiar with lightroom, its what professional photographers use to get brightness and depth into photos. It's a set of filters coupled to some workflow and archiving tools. What it isn't is Photoshop editing. He didn't put the dead children into the shot, or composite two separate dead children into one shot.

    https://photographyconcentrate.com/15-snazzy-lightroom-and-afters/

    Israel really did kill children, they really did die, they really were carried by grieving families along the street. It really is a tragedy, and pretending it's fake, and by implication that the dead children are also fake is a misleading argument.

    1. Re:Light Room 101 by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      It really is a tragedy, and pretending it's fake, and by implication that the dead children are also fake is a misleading argument.

      But it usually works. Resistance is diminished and discredited, and that's all that matters.

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    2. Re:Light Room 101 by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      LOL! In Slashdot and Reddit, at least.

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    3. Re:Light Room 101 by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I didn't think we were arguing over whether this really occurred, but more over the aspects of manipulation of the photograph.

    4. Re:Light Room 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Israel should kill them all, and end the conflict.

      If you don't want your kids bombed, don't attack another country.

    5. Re:Light Room 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Genocide much? If you don't want rockets, suicide bombs, boycott, divestment, or sanctions then don't engage in ethnic cleansing.

    6. Re:Light Room 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 6 gains anything from these filters, all the rest look only more artificial.

    7. Re:Light Room 101 by AnOfferYouCantRefuse · · Score: 0

      Want to know what I like the most? Cum farts. I think your bare rancid Bayer aspirin hole can give me what I need. In fact, I dare say that your foul anus will give me more than I bargained for! Well, now, how about we get to the bowel-smooching? What say you?

  25. "Fake" is the new "real, but enhanced" by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the ExtremeTech headline:

    How the 2013 World Press Photo of the Year was faked with Photoshop

    OMG, it was faked! This is an outrage!

    ... but, from the ExtremeTech article:

    When is an image fake, and when is it merely enhanced?

    The bigger discussion, of course, is whether Gaza Burial is actually fake — or just enhanced to bring out important details. This is a question that has plagued photography since its inception. Should a photo, especially a press photo, be purely objective? Most people think the answer is an obvious “yes,” but it’s not quite that simple. What if a photo is perfect, except that it’s taken at an odd angle — can you digitally rotate it? What about cropping? What if there’s dust on the lens/sensor/film — can you digitally remove it?

    Perhaps most importantly, though, cameras simply don’t capture the same gamut of color or dynamic range as human eyes — a photo never looks the same as the original image perceived by your brain. Is it okay for a photographer to modify a picture so that it looks exactly how he remembers the scene?

    So, it wasn't faked, but rather cleaned up? All those people were in those positions at that time? The event was real?

    The article uses the word "fake" to discredit the photographer, while at the same time admitting that that determination is really a subjective one having to do with how much enhancement is acceptable, and that the subject of the photo - which photojournalism is really about - is completely real.

    1. Re:"Fake" is the new "real, but enhanced" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would contend that it's more than cleaning up. I do think the elements weren't moved though, but he adjusted highlights, color and range piece by piece more than what happens for a typical Playboy centerfold.

      For example, you can clean up sound digitally. You can also autotune it from speech to a song that has been properly sang. Whilst the difference is very slight technically, the photo in this question was cleaned up so much that it's fit for a propaganda poster and for such work it's actually a great cleanup, for an example of photojournalism on the other hand many people do think that he took it over the top. It's just something you wouldn't expect from frontline journalism generally.

      It seems the photographer knew he was taking it a bit far, but couldn't just stop with the photo. It's a great photograph to begin with, but seeing how he forgot to bring the raw to be verified it seems he knew it was a bit too far - a bit too far could be just simple things. In the foreground the men who are carrying the dead children have their feet totally in black shadow, this adds a lot of "pop" to the image, even so much that it's rather easy to argue that it even makes the picture - that's something that would have been very lucky to happen by chance when he took the photograph, yet it alters the overall placement of the elements on the photograph drastically(in relation to each other). Once you do that enough you might have just as well taken the original picture and repainted over it. It would still show the same picture with the same people, the same event, the same tragedy - but it would be hard to win any photography awards with it.

    2. Re:"Fake" is the new "real, but enhanced" by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      The language was softened from the original story so that if it turned out the photo wasn't faked, ExtremeTech won't get sued for libel.

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  26. Re:Seriously? Secretly photoshopping? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    The "photo" looks like it was CGI'd from the ground up. It looks like it was meant to look that way.

    Indeed. My first thought was "uncanny valley". The people don't even look real.

  27. Multiple process blend, nothing to see here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the AC, more of a lerker.

    I've worked in this industry for a *long* time, I have very close personal ties to people who do post-processing for National Geographic.
    If this image is faked, it isn't for the reasons listed in the 'analysis' of extremetech, which is clearly just trying to get traffic for their website full of poorly formed editorial.

    It isn't uncommon at all to get the RAW file and process it for the highlights, then re-process it for the mid-tones and then re-process it for the shadows. Once you've got all 3 simply blending them together will achieve this result. Nothing more sophisticated than an old fashion darkroom print. It is a way of achieving additional dynamics, very common.

    sidenote : I don't like the look of this type of processing as it 'feels' a bit CG, but my feelings don't give me the right to make uninformed slanderous comments about someone's work.

    1. Re:Multiple process blend, nothing to see here. by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      Mod this guy up as informative.

  28. Re:Seriously? Secretly photoshopping? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

    Right. But there's a big difference between enhancing the tones that are already there in a single shot, and compositing from more than one image, or other techniques such as shape distortion.

    I have no problem with photo-journalists enhancing the tones of an image. The image still shows an actual scene. It might change the feel of an image but it doesn't change the facts that the image shows. I'd rather see an image where I can see the details than one where I can't because the exposure needed for different parts of the picture were different.

    I'd have a big problem if they were compositing. But there's no evidence of that happening here.

  29. Re:CGI'd dead kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I see things that look like CGI and cartoonish, I tend to think they're not real or at least manipulated. This is independent of things that happened in real life.

  30. Truth? by pastafazou · · Score: 4, Informative

    You really have no idea how badly you're being played. Please go to youtube and search for Pallywood. Also check out this article. The people of Gaza and the West Bank are being used as tools in an ongoing propaganda campaign aimed at turning public opinion worldwide against Israel. They fire rockets at Israel from locations that put their own innocent civilians in harms' way. The goal is to entice Israel into returning fire, and in doing so killing the innocent women and children nearby. Why is it that the palestinian refugees living in squalor across the border in Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria are completely ignored? Israel actually provides humanitarian aid to the West Bank and Gaza, providing food and basic necessities. In fact, Israel regularly brings refugees from these two regions into Israel for medical treatment. This does not happen in the other refugee camps controlled by Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. Where is the outcry when Syria drops bombs from a jet indiscriminately on the palestinian refugee camp inside it's border? Israel has agreed to numerous peace deals brokered by various world leaders. It is always the Palestinian leadership that fails to agree. And so they continue to launch rockets at Israel, and they continue to wage a war of propaganda.

    1. Re:Truth? by geniice · · Score: 1

      Ah JIDF. Thing is I can spot propaganda from both sides.

    2. Re:Truth? by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      lol, apparently not if you're implying I'm JIDF.

    3. Re:Truth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are so right, the people of Gaza are just dumb pawns being used by antisemites. How could people possibly be upset that then haven't been allowed to return to their own homes because they aren't members of the right religion? Only someone who hates Jews for being Jews would be angry that they have been under a medieval siege for 45 years where their tormentors shoot their farmers and fishermen and count their calories so they stay on the edge of starvation, all while building colonies on confiscated land for the exclusive use of Jews. Israel invented the Core i7, cherry tomato, and the cell phone fer chrissakes! Fully half of the people living under Israeli rule get to vote!

    4. Re:Truth? by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you don't know much about the history of the region. Do you even know how the "palestinian" refugees ended up in the various camps? The surrounding arab states bear more than a little responsibility for the situation, yet they are never held accountable. The people inside Israel are the people who decided to fight to defend their homes, both Jews and Arabs. They fought against each other, and they fought against invading forces from outside. But they stood their ground, they fought, and they persevered. They have managed to work together to build something better. Arabs inside Israel have the same rights as Jews.

  31. Re:CGI'd dead kids? by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    WTF, seriously kids died in that Israeli attack, their grieving parents are carrying their dead bodies!

    And you think its CGI'd??? Seriously?

    When you hear the news about a shooting, do you think it's a Halo mission video!?

    the picture looks like it was repainted - it's practically ready for print, and not just for printing on a news story but as in ready to print to be glued on a wall as a mural - in that way it's nice.

    the other pictures from the scene do not look like that, and thus look more real, and less like they're from a movie poster commemorating the tragedy.

    anyhow.. the telltale is that the guy "forgot" the raw.

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  32. Re:Seriously? Secretly photoshopping? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    It was my first thought when see it...

  33. What a piece of shit! by frootcakeuk · · Score: 0

    This guy and people like him deserve to be shot at! Trying to gain from other people's death and misery, failing and having to cheat to do so just to win a competition?? This guy should be the one being carried, lifeless and still, not those poor kids!

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    1. Re:What a piece of shit! by frootcakeuk · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, photo-journalism is powerful stuff! What I don't get is why this kind of scene has to be the one that's chosen to represent a photographer's competiton entry? Does a competition justify a death scene of children? I don't even care if the pic is photoshopped or not, this is wrong.

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  34. If those would be Israeli kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Image would be 100% real...

  35. How to tell if it is fake by workactnumberfive · · Score: 0

    I can tell by the pixels.

  36. streisand effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are people out there that do not want the world to know that Gaza is filled with almost 2 million regular people who feel grief and anger when Israel bombs their homes and kills their babies. They will viciously attack anyone who challenges their cover story that Israel is just some hapless state in a sea of enemies who want to destroy them for no better reason then they are Jewish. By attacking this photographer and challenging the photograph they are simply increasing the number of people who see it. Unlike many in the USA, I follow the situation closely and read a lot of foreign news sources yet I had never seen this image before.

  37. Re:the Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot to mention that Hamas was created in 1987, which was twenty years after Israel began blockading Gaza and attempting to ethnically cleanse it by creating colonies for the exclusive use of Jews. Also, half the population of Gaza are refugees who where expelled from what is now Israel so their land and homes could be transferred to and held by the state for the exclusive use of Jews. How long do you think it would be before the Palestinians would just give up and go away so the Zionists could achieve their dream of Eretz Yisrael, an ethnoreligious state from the river to the sea with as few non-Jews as possible?

  38. Bad shadow analysis by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 1

    This analysis is very dubious, and the shadow analysis is just wrong. The people are in shadow -- they are not lit by the sun -- so you wouldn't expect the shadows on their faces to be determined by the sun. In fact they are illuminated by the sunlit wall, so the shadows are perfectly consistent.

    To be sure the lighting is odd, and I wouldn't be surprised if the photographer had lifted the lighting on and around the people. But this is not proven by the analysis, and in any case I don't think that kind of alteration should be disallowed.

    Finally the fact that the same group of people are visible together in a completely different photo is surely evidence that the original scene is highly plausible. In fact it becomes less probable that they were grouped and photographed separately, and the composite theory (for which I see no evidence anyway) becomes positively unlikely.

  39. Re:the Holocaust by Bartles · · Score: 1

    That's a cool story, bro.

  40. cut&pase job no, altered a lot - definitely by Golden_Rider · · Score: 1

    I see no reason to believe that the picture in question has been created by using several photos and copying/pasting people or heads around, but the lighting DEFINITELY looks "fake" (heavily edited) to me. Not only the light, also the colours. For example, the old guy (2nd from the left, holding the left child) - his head just looks unrealistically bright. Or the glasses guy two to the right of him. He definitely is in the shadow, yet his face is not dark at all. And the colours - on the hackerfactor page, compare the face of the guy holding the right child in the "fake" pic with his face in the picture just below that one. In the unedited pic, his face is a dark red/brown, completely unlike the world press photo picture.

    So - completely faked? No. But definitely heavily edited, and then it's a question of whether they wanted heavily edited pictures in their competition, or instead want "unaltered" pictures. In other words, whether they want pictures which "wow" the observer because the photographer captured a special, noteworthy moment or because the photographer used Photoshop to make a picture TECHNICALLY "perfect".

  41. Deja Vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy with the buck teeth who is screaming looks really, really familiar. I think this photo is actually Pallywood. Not going to deny this tragedy, just saying that this screams propaganda and needs further investigation. Meanwhile, another Palestinian rocket is let loose. But we don't hear about that, they're just Jews. We want raw emotion, anger, and hate - so we can rally around something.

  42. manipulative all the same by stenvar · · Score: 1

    It doesn't really matter whether the photo was changed in Photoshop; just the photo itself, the lighting, the angle, and the subject matter are designed to manipulate the viewer's emotions. Press photography and photo journalism is probably the most dishonest form of reporting because it pretends to be authentic, but the the message is so strongly under the photographer's control and the picture and moment are so unrepresentative.

  43. From a semi-pro photographer... by toast- · · Score: 1

    This isn't 'photoshop'

    Simply put it's selective filtering and editing as typically afforded in modern day photography software such as Nikon Capture NX

    In fact both photos are highly edited - one photographer/editor will manipulate the exposure, colour, contrast to suit their eye as opposed to another. But the content of the photo is NOT manipulated.

    So effectively you are seeing the results of two different edits, either by the same photographer (unlikely) or two different editors.

    It would be similar to the result between two photos shot at the exact same time and darkroom processed , with darkroom manipulation by two different photographers. The difference is the tools offered in the digital age allow much greater variance in the end result.

  44. Not a fake ... lets move on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough ...

    This discussion is ove ... same image, HDR, completely allowed by the contest rules. Its a 'press photo' contest, not 'print photo journalism' contest.

    Eduard de Kam, an expert in the Netherlands who scrutinized the image:

    “When I compare the RAW file with the prizewinning version
    I can indeed see that there has been a fair amount of post-production,
    in the sense that some areas have been made lighter and others darker.
    But regarding the positions of each pixel, all of them are exactly in
    the same place in the JPEG (the prizewinning image) as they are in the
    RAW file. I would therefore rule out any question of a composite image.”

    HDR is not pixel manipulation (the real definition of 'photoshopped'), but (in this case) the same image, copied 3 times, and each of the 3 versions altered to allow different exposures (or level of brightness) for specific parts of the final image. HDR is about making an image that is closer to how our eye will see a scene. The sensor in one jpg image is incapable of the dynamic range our eyes are capable of ... we see shadows as clearly as bright areas, sensors do not.

    A sensor that is capable of capturing RAW, also captures every dynamic range of every colour from white to black (thats why the RAW file is so large), and the user chooses which level he wants for a given shot or exposure point. This is how he did this shot. He used RAW to expose every desired shadow and bright spot, and used 3 layers to do so. It is not cheating.

    Regarding cheating with the RAW file ... impossible. You can not alter a RAW file and resave it as an out of camera RAW (CR2 or NEF, etc) file,
    the XMP file is needed to retain the alterations within a PSD (photoshop file), without the XMP, there is only the out of camera RAW, or how the camera saw the image in the first place.

    Argument over ... lets move on

  45. news from australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    news.com.au is roughly the australian equivalent of dailymail.co.uk. maybe marginally more respectable insofar as they haven't quite resorted to stupid phone hacking bullshit, but give them time...

    if you want actual news from australia, there are better sources

  46. WTF? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I took one look at the photo and it looks like a cartoonish painting. That's what a normal photo would look like if you set the noise reduce filter to 100% in Photoshop. WTF? Are they honestly claiming that came straight from a camera?

  47. Re:Seriously? Secretly photoshopping? by Raenex · · Score: 1

    My first thought was "uncanny valley". The people don't even look real.

    Huh? The people look real, it's just the lighting seems a bit strange.