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Congress Demands Answers From Google Over Google Glass Privacy Concerns

Today eight members of the U.S. Congress have sent a letter to Google's Larry Page, asking him to address a number of privacy concerns about Google Glass. In the letter (PDF), they brought up the company's notorious Street View data collection incident, and asked how the company was planning to avoid a similar privacy breach with Glass. They also ask how Google is going to build Glass to protect the privacy of non-users who may not want their every public move to be recorded. Further, they ask about the security of recordings once they are made: "Will Google Glass have the capacity to store any data on the device itself? If so, will Google Glass implement some sort of user authentication system to safeguard stored data? If not, why not?" Google has until July 14th to respond.

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  1. I would love it if by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would love it if Google responded back stating that it infringes no more than the government already does.

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    1. Re:I would love it if by mystikkman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can vote out the government, atleast theoretically, or move outside its jurisdiction. No such luck with people wearing Google Glass all around you in public, in the office, even the bathroom stalls at Google I/O.

    2. Re:I would love it if by morcego · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can vote out the government, atleast theoretically, or move outside its jurisdiction. No such luck with people wearing Google Glass all around you in public, in the office, even the bathroom stalls at Google I/O.

      If everyone else, or the majority of people, is wearing them, how is that different from voting? It is exactly the same principle.
      I'm sure it take more people to make a Google product like this viable than it takes to elect a senator.

      It is "the democracy of the wallet".

      Notice: for people who will say that your privacy will be violated even if the majority is not using it, read again my second phrase about electing a senator.

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    3. Re:I would love it if by bhagwad · · Score: 2

      Is Google even legally obligated to respond? Why? The product hasn't even been released yet. And as far as I know they're not breaking any laws. So why can't they tell Congress to go fuck themselves? Reply by July 14th...or what?

    4. Re:I would love it if by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google Glass is merely the public facing tip of a very large iceberg. Wearable cameras arent going away.

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    5. Re:I would love it if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep, very soon our every move will be monitored. Not much we can do about that, but we could legalize drugs, gambling, and prostitution so that most people have nothing to hide, and we no longer create black markets for desirable items. We'd also stop treating peaceful people as criminals.

    6. Re:I would love it if by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      Drone strikes aren't any place.

      They're any place that won't shoot back, either because they are unable or have agreed not to. Drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan have to this point been done with the (sometimes secretive) consent of the host country.

      If the US tried to launch drone strikes in Saudi or India or the like they might get one off, before the Saudi's or Indians started shooting the drones down.

    7. Re:I would love it if by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

      This was from eight members of Congress. Eight. I don't see that Google has much to be worried about from 8 congressmen out of 435.

      Its a significant number of members of the Bipartisan Privacy Caucus. This organization aims to be out in front of privacy issues so that Congress is not caught flat footed when something like this crops up.

      Google doesn't have to respond, the caucus does not have subpoena powers.
      It would be utter stupidity if Google chose to blow these guys off.

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    8. Re:I would love it if by IntermodalAgain · · Score: 2

      I'm unconvinced. You have a lot more confidence in Congress' ability to take action than I do. Especially on a topic that pretty much guarantees that a public brouhaha would end badly for congress. I can see the complaints now: "You nitpicked Google, but you approved the Patriot Act?" It seems pretty clear to me that the government has no credibility from which to try to advocate privacy without first starting from within. And frankly, I think we need products like Google Glass to ensure that more unanticipated events can be caught on camera. Cops abusing their power, transactions with lying customer service reps, and I recently had wait-staff who probably could have used this, etc. These are more important topics than whether someone gets a picture of you in the gym locker room.

    9. Re:I would love it if by morcego · · Score: 2

      Cool. Are you also planning on replying to anything I actually wrote in my post?
      Because what you wrote would be better located in a threat of its own.

      Even if what you wrote on your post was 100% correct (and it is not), it would still have nothing to do with what I wrote. Just because saying "the sky is blue" is correct doesn't mean it is a valid answer to "how fast is your car?"...

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  2. The devil you see vs. the devil you don't. by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google Glass is visible, right there up on the wearer's face. What about all those cell phones that can do video recording, and can do that video recording right there from your shirt pocket, with no visible indication? Cameras are getting pretty small these days. Someone up to something nefarious, the camera lens is going to be one of his shirt buttons.

    1. Re:The devil you see vs. the devil you don't. by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does it have to be nefarious? I have a real desire to be able to record everything i encounter if i desire. It opens up some very interesting possibilities It is not nefarious to collect photons in public.

      That depends how you define "public" since Google Glass may be worn in places that aren't traditionally "public" like restrooms, gym locker rooms, etc. I don't really care if you peek over from the next urinal and watch me pee, but that doesn't mean that I want you capture it with your glasses and post it to Youtube. Likewise if I hire a plumber to fix my leaky bathroom faucet, I'm fine with him snapping a few photos of the bathroom sink so he can get the right parts, but I don't want him using Google Glass to record everything in my house on his way to the bathroom which could be exploited (by him or someone who hacked his Glasses) to build a database of attractive theft targets along with a detailed map of everything of value in the house.

      Cameras (even ubiquitous cell phone cameras) are a known risk and it's generally easy to see someone recording with their cell phone, but Google Glass becomes a "hidden in plain view" spy cam.

    2. Re:The devil you see vs. the devil you don't. by Shoten · · Score: 2

      Why does it have to be nefarious? I have a real desire to be able to record everything i encounter if i desire. It opens up some very interesting possibilities It is not nefarious to collect photons in public.

      That depends how you define "public" since Google Glass may be worn in places that aren't traditionally "public" like restrooms, gym locker rooms, etc. I don't really care if you peek over from the next urinal and watch me pee, but that doesn't mean that I want you capture it with your glasses and post it to Youtube. Likewise if I hire a plumber to fix my leaky bathroom faucet, I'm fine with him snapping a few photos of the bathroom sink so he can get the right parts, but I don't want him using Google Glass to record everything in my house on his way to the bathroom which could be exploited (by him or someone who hacked his Glasses) to build a database of attractive theft targets along with a detailed map of everything of value in the house.

      Cameras (even ubiquitous cell phone cameras) are a known risk and it's generally easy to see someone recording with their cell phone, but Google Glass becomes a "hidden in plain view" spy cam.

      I think the limiting factor here is the same as that for any video recording device, including the hidden ones that are much more subtle (and yet even better suited for the "bad" scenarios listed here). It's a simple lack of interest. You can buy a hidden camera...a very good one with a lot of capacity, in any number of form factors...for less than $100. They're available at Amazon, on Thinkgeek, and on a wide variety of other sites and shops. Yet you don't see many of them around, because honestly most people don't have an interest in recording wildly.

      I wouldn't want a plumber recording everything in my house either...but more importantly, why would he, for that matter? First off, what about it would actually be interesting to him in the first place? Second, given the limited battery life of Google Glass and challenges of storing tons of data, it seems that there's actually a powerful disincentive for him to record indiscriminately. I think this is the flipside of Twitter mentality...people got so that they thought the world cares about them going to the bathroom, and now they're worried that people care about them going to the bathroom. But the truth (and the good news) is...they don't. :)

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    3. Re:The devil you see vs. the devil you don't. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't want a plumber recording everything in my house either...but more importantly, why would he, for that matter? First off, what about it would actually be interesting to him in the first place? Second, given the limited battery life of Google Glass and challenges of storing tons of data, it seems that there's actually a powerful disincentive for him to record indiscriminately. I think this is the flipside of Twitter mentality...people got so that they thought the world cares about them going to the bathroom, and now they're worried that people care about them going to the bathroom. But the truth (and the good news) is...they don't. :)

      The current generation of GG may be battery and power constrained, but future versions likely will not be. Once you have the ability to record everything and archive indefinitely, why wouldn't you just record everything just in case you want to refer to it later? Especially as image recognition and searching gets better, so it's easy to refer to something that's been recorded. The plumber might get a call from the homeowner a year after his last visit about their kitchen sink and the plumber can run a query like "Google: Show me the kitchen sink from the home on 1920 Sycamore St". And anyone who has access to the plumber's account could run a query like "Google: Show me all paintings from all houses visited in the past 6 months, ordered by estimated value"

    4. Re:The devil you see vs. the devil you don't. by geekoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      "public" like restrooms, gym locker rooms, etc.

      why do you think those places aren't public?
      Many are public. For example the police don't need search warrants in many of them.

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  3. Turn the question around by FrankSchwab · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can I ask Congress the same question about the US Governments data collection efforts?
      - How is the US Government going to protect the privacy of Citizens who may not want their every public move (phone call, email, etc ) to be recorded?
      - What about the security of the recordings that are made - Will the US implement some sort of user authentication system to safeguard stored data? If not, why not?

    There's a whole sequence of questions that I'd much rather hear the answer to than similar questions about a dorky headpiece.

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    1. Re:Turn the question around by zlives · · Score: 2

      answer to
      1. by putting them in a safe,secure, offshore facility where they may roam free from cameras (just not free to roam).
      2. yes, your data will be only accessible to secure corporate entities that pay to have access to it, we call it (National Strategy for Information Sharing and Safeguarding')

    2. Re:Turn the question around by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Good luck with that. Even if Congress goes to the trouble of answering it, much of the media, including social media, will likely down play it if it might reflect badly on the current administration.

      Heard anything about this one?

      IRS sued for improperly seizing the medical records of 10 million Americans

      It is just an adder to the growing pile.

      The IRS Scandal, Day 8
      Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims
      Congressman Paul Ryan on Benghazi, IRS, and DOJ Snooping the House: “Of course I’m troubled. Are you kidding?”

      One of the interesting controversies regarding the MX missile was the plans for basing. One of the proposals was called "dense pack." The idea was that if you put a bunch of missile silos close to each other, attacking one silo with a nuclear warhead would result in so much turbulence, blast, and local radiation that if more warheads were arriving at the same time, they would be battered by the effects of the previously exploding nuclear warhead and be ineffective in attacking the silo they were targeted at. (No, I'm not kidding.) You might be seeing the political equivalent of that right now. There are so many scandals coming out of so many agencies, they compete for attention, confuse the public, allow the media to more or less squeeze them out, and attenuate the political damage. This could be one of those, "They are incompetent, insane, or brilliant" moments. I don't like much of any of what has been revealed, but I wouldn't place a bet on it having any lasting impact on the administration. Most of the media, minus AP, seems indifferent to being spied on, and you would expect that to rouse them if nothing else would. Apparently not.

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    3. Re:Turn the question around by peppepz · · Score: 2

      A dorky headpiece that could soon be worn by millions of people, continuously taking billions of high resolution photos and video clips with precise date/time/gps locations, and sending all of that data to a single commercial entity whose business is to harvest and process personal data, with a track record of privacy stumbles, an extremely high computational capacity and already knowing lots of details about millions of persons including faces, names, email and street address, whole phone books, geographic locations.

  4. Grandstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Eight members of Congress on Thursday formally demanded that Google address a range of privacy concerns about its new wearable technology device, Google Glass.

    Blah blah blah. Yadda yadda yah.

    Give us some campaign contributions, and use of your private jets and we'll be gone - in the meantime, we'll use this to fool our constituents that we care.

    Cynical? Yep.

    Am I right? Yep.

  5. Gut Reaction by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are valid questions to ask, but every time I see "congress demands answers" I imagine clowns piling out of a tiny car and want to root for the interrogated.

    1. Re:Gut Reaction by BigFrango · · Score: 2

      Read the actual letter. They didn't demand anything. They requested a response. Soulskill also said "Google has until July 14th to respond", making it sound like an ultimatum with consequences if a deadline is not met. In reality the letter requested a response by that date. The letter was not in the demanding tone that Soulskill implies.

  6. ugh by Huggs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They only care because that means a individual may accidentally record them picking up a hooker or something else scandalous. If congress was somehow exempt from the decrease in privacy, they wouldn't give a rats behind.

  7. Way to be on the ball Congress. by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where were these questions when LEO and private businesses rolled out CCTV everywhere?????????

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    1. Re:Way to be on the ball Congress. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Where were these questions when LEO and private businesses rolled out CCTV everywhere?????????

      They didn't care, because there was little to no chance said CCTV apparatus would be pointed at them.

      Considering the occasional "Senator caught soliciting gay sex in a public restroom" stories that pop up, I for one am not surprised.

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  8. im shocked they have the time by nimbius · · Score: 3, Insightful
    between the benghazi conspiracy theory, the 37th repeal of healthcare reform, and the shitstorm over patriot groups applying for a form of charity that explicitly prohibits them from political activity its a wonder these guys can find a minute in the day to "write a letter to google" about their privacy concerns. its also kind of amazing because i didnt hear a fucking peep from most of these career policitians during the patriot act or warrantless wiretapping and im pretty fucking sure that involved a large telecommunications company. one question committee head Joe Barton is asking is:

    When using Google Glass, is it true that this product would be able to use Facial Recognition Technology to unveil personal information about whomever and even some inanimate objects that the user is viewing? Would a user be able to request such information? Can a non-user or human subject opt out of this collection of personal data? If so, how? If not, why not?

    Substitute "google glass" with "United States Law Enforcement" and you begin to see how fucking hypocritical this entire endeavor is

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    1. Re:im shocked they have the time by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2

      They're just looking for a little campaign cash. "Nice wearable camera you got there google. Be a shame if somebody outlawed it."

  9. Privacy in public? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    I think being in public means you are free to be recorded at all times. You can't enforce this without also enforcing every company take down their outside facing security cameras.

    1. Re:Privacy in public? by bobaferret · · Score: 2

      You are correct. I actually carry around paper work in my camera bag for when I get hassled by the police or security guards, that spells out my rights. The ACLU has a page about it, and I don't see why google glass would be any different.

    2. Re:Privacy in public? by bobaferret · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's what might be a more useful link: The Photographer’s Right

  10. Tape recorder vs glass by minstrelmike · · Score: 2

    I'm trying to figure out what the actual legal issues are between google glass and a tape recorder or film camera.
    Seems like the technology makes things appear more different than they really are. Taping or photoing people already has laws.
    Posting it on the internet could be exactly the same as publishing in a paper if they want. Or not.
    But there isn't anything new to discuss. It will be the same old discussion: why can I take a picture of anyone in public or a photo of a house from a drone aircraft but I cannot record the words they use unless they give me permission?

    The current laws are totally screwed up. Google glass has nothing to do with that.

  11. Hell froze over by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My first thought when I read the summary was that hell had frozen over: Congress is thinking about privacy!

    My second thought was that *Congress is thinking about privacy*. This can only be a good thing. I think we should encourage them, saying "you're on the right track, keep going that way" rather than being derisive.

    Parent is right, government surveillance/data collection is a huge privacy issue. That does not mean it's the only privacy issue. It is easier for our inherently timid Congresscritters to start by pointing the finger outward from Washington, and I'm OK with that because it at least starts the policy discussion we so desperately need.

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    1. Re:Hell froze over by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My first thought when I read the summary was that hell had frozen over: Congress is thinking about privacy!

      My second thought was that *Congress is thinking about privacy*. This can only be a good thing. I think we should encourage them, saying "you're on the right track, keep going that way" rather than being derisive.

      Parent is right, government surveillance/data collection is a huge privacy issue. That does not mean it's the only privacy issue. It is easier for our inherently timid Congresscritters to start by pointing the finger outward from Washington, and I'm OK with that because it at least starts the policy discussion we so desperately need.

      No, what happened is that the interest of politicians and the people they're supposed to represent aligned in this one case.

      You see, imagine if people were using Glass - and recording stuff around them. Let's say it captures a politician coming out of a less-than-completely-upstanding business (which could be anything someone can raise much about). That image is stored and uploaded to Google, and possibly tagged. Now any political opponent can go and claim that said politician believes in X because they just came from a store that supports it.

      Think of anything mildly controversial and see how it can get blown up. Perhaps it was a store selling porn - I'm sure the family first groups will use that at any opportunity (and I'm sure it's probably a common enough event, but one that can be used as leverage).

      Basically, they're worried about politicians being captured on film doing stuff. It may be normal behavior that gets twisted around like a quote out of context, or it could be someone capturing actual backroom deals taking place, etc.

      And the cynical side of me says it's because the politicians don't want any recording of them doing anything "bad" like being seen with industry executives that support them, or being hypocritical, etc.

  12. Re:At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So you're telling me to beware when somebody stands at next urinal, stares at my dick and winks?..

    Yeah, I thought that was pretty much a given.

  13. Re:Go Free Market by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    TFA is mostly bullshit written from someone that did not even do a cursory search of information about the device. There is a big bright LED blaring at you if the camera is active. Only the blind will not know if the Google Glass is recording them.

    But don't let reality and facts get in the way of everyones fearmongering.

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  14. Google breaching privacy? by roninmagus · · Score: 2

    Google glass takes pictures and videos. So what? So does my phone. I could walk down the street holding up my phone recording everybody and everything. Streetview was a google system being operated by a google employee (or contractor.) Google glass is just some guy wearing some glasses. My point is, why is everyone all pissy that "google is invading privacy" when it's actually the person wearing the glasses?

  15. You cannot vote out government by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can vote out the government

    No, not even theoretically can you do that. All you can do is vote IN leaders, who MIGHT be able to make changes in government organizations... but the organizations are very entrenched, and have many levers to prevent the people voted in from making changes.

    This is why it is such a bad idea to form any new government entities, because they exist only to keep existing and to exert more and more control.

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  16. Privacy by LocalH · · Score: 2

    "privacy of non-users who may not want their every public move to be recorded"

    I wasn't aware people had that sort of privacy. Public is public, and private is private. Pictures are pictures, whether they're taken by a film camera, digital camera, cell phone, or Google Glass.

    Google should tell Congress to go fuck off. Congress already exerts more power than they're legally supposed to, and this is just another small step in the erosion of the Constitution if this is allowed to continue.

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  17. Congress asking intelligent questions by rlh100 · · Score: 2

    What a pleasant surprise to see Congress asking intelligent questions about a technical topic. I think we should encourage this type of thinking.

  18. Re:They should ask about health by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    People are assaulted all the time. Hopefully those assailants will be found guilty and a civil suit can be used to recover damages.

    That is about all we can expect from anything in life. There are folks who will assault you for wearing the wrong color shirt, or hat.

  19. Re:They should ask about health by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    I find your belief that people will be doing that pretty telling. You seem very focused on the male genitalia photography opportunities. I think psychologists call that projecting.

    I personally am not worried about it. I doubt anyone really wants pictures of flaccid wieners, and I think most people can tell if the recording light is on or off.

  20. Re:Go Free Market by geekoid · · Score: 2

    Maybe you should realize you aren't that important and it really doesn't matter that someone took a picture of you in a PUBLIC restroom?

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  21. Re:At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathr by cstacy · · Score: 2

    How would people feel if the guy or gal coming into the bathroom has a camera mounted to their head which is recording?

    That is already illegal. The question is: How do you feel, knowing that you can no longer tell if someone is packing a cam?

  22. Re:At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathr by Ardyvee · · Score: 2

    To be honest, we already are at surveillance society. It just is in the form of twitter/facebook updates. In the form of a blog update talking about this or that. Apparently people have the sensibility of not disclosing identities, and while it is easier to just post a picture or a recording... I'm sure that (if you have hope in humanity) people will frown upon doing that. Just like we frown upon bringing a camera inside the bathroom (unless you want to take a photo there, and everyone present agrees) outside of an opaque case.

    That is not to dismiss your concerns. I wouldn't want to live in a society where I'd have to hide -- regardless of cameras. I'd like to live in a society where even if there is somebody walking around with a Google glass and I'm recorded coming out of X, and even if he did upload it somewhere, nobody would care I did. That not everyone follows the same moral code and that what they think is questionable may not be for others and it's up to the individual to decide their actions and up to others to judge him.

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  23. Hey Congress... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    See that tiny speck why out there on the ocean's horizon. That's the ship that's already sailed.

    You can get VGA resolution, 30fps Bluetooth camera that looks like a pair of glasses and has 4 GB of memory for something like $30. If the glasses are to obvious, you can get on that looks like an earpiece. And you can already just hide behind a wall and stick the phone out just far enough for the camera to see around the corner. You honestly think a device like Google Glass, that screams "Look! I'm a cyborg!", is going to erode our privacy more that it already has been?