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Immigration Reform May Spur Software Robotics
dcblogs writes "The Senate's immigration bill may force the large offshore outsourcing firms to reduce their use of H-1B visa-holding staff, forcing them to hire more local workers and raising their costs. But one large Indian firm, Infosys, will try to offset cost increases with software robotics. Infosys recently announced a partnership with IPsoft, a New York-based provider of autonomic IT services. With IPsoft's tools, work that is now done by human beings, mostly Level 1 support, could be done by a software machine. Infosys says that IPsoft tools can 'reduce human intervention.' More colorfully, Chandrashekar Kakal, global head of Infosys's business IT services, told the Times of India, that 'what robotics did for the auto assembly line, we are now doing for the IT engineering line.' James Slaby, a research director of HFS Research who has been following the use of autonomics closely, wrote in a recent report that the IPsoft partnership may help Infosys 'reap fatter margins by augmenting and replacing expensive, human IT support engineers with cheaper, more accurate, efficient automated processes,' and by improving service delivery."
I bet this works just as well as hiring Indian coders.
As I recall a senior member of the BSI telling me when I was working on a research project that went towards the development of BS 5750 AKA ISO 9000. Sounds like Mr Kakal doesn't really understand either IT or Production engineering
Lets file this under big data, cloud computing, etc.. for future sales jargon to sell more useless stuff to BIG business and government.
"Useless" is defined in this case as something you could have written and run in house for 1/10000 of the cost but didn't.
This story tells me nothing.
Indeed, "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" sentence can be read by any automaton, if you call their outsourced helldesk.
There is no light without darkness.
This was tried in the late 90's. It just results in a beating of the phone keypad and four letter (english) words.
Voice based customer support sucks and some times you have to get to a real person to get stuff done.
I think that's called software. No robotics needed.
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Both Wipro and Infosys are the worst in terms of H1-B visa abuse and should not be allowed to operate in this country.
http://profit.ndtv.com/news/industries/article-us-senator-accuses-infosys-wipro-tcs-of-abusing-h-1b-visas-321282
But, unfortunately they're connected with Washington's elite and throw money around in DC to keep things like the H1-B program alive. Remember that during the next election cycle.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
If H-1b visas are being requested for level 1 support jobs, the FBI should investigate the requesting companies for fraud.
Seastead this.
We already have "knowledge bases", "community support", and support outsourced to Far, Far Away. Microsoft did some work with Bayesian statistics to find out which questions a support tech should ask first. Much software already "phones home" to send trouble reports and crash dumps. There's been some good work on automated crash dump classification, to group similar crash dumps together and send them all to the same maintenance programmer.
I bet what they're talking about isn't that sophisticated. I bet it's along the lines of "press 1 if you can't surf the web, press 2 if you can surf the web but can't get email..." followed by some very basic trouble shooting instructions and "please wait for a representative" when that fails.
The self-guided tree can only get so complex before people start posting advice on how to get a real person.
Hugo award winner:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)
Most of it is available here:
http://www.analogsf.com/0310/cookie.shtml
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Given that it's from one of the most un-American entities out there, I'd say that it'll end up doing the exact opposite. It'll be shoddily coded and maintained as well as run.
If there's a way to identify an IPsoft/install, the best thing is to get a human and to get one not from a Third World country.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
If I pickup the phone and it's a computer calling me, I hangout and block the number.
If I call into a system and it's automated I just mash the keys until it gives up and puts me through to a human.
I am a paying American customer. I am a human being and if you want to do business with me you had damn well better put a human being on your phone lines, otherwise fuck you.
I think a bounty program where American citizens earn $1000 per illegal immigrant captured alive and $500 for every illegal immigrant killed sounds fair.
All the force on K Street won't matter if Wipro/Infosys/etc. and their lobbyists have a very bad day with the explicit disclosure of why. Just explain to the public that their fraud and all their misdeeds (public and otherwise) on national television if someone complains. It's a desperate measure, but someone brave enough to do it would gain the confidence of millions of US citizens defrauded out of jobs; it would be the "Icarus falling out of the sky" moment for the abuse of guest workers of any skill level.
It just takes one Trojan Horse of a President to get in and do the deed.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
If you think that's bad, try getting help on a server issue when you're not a Verizon customer.
Back in 2006, I was working for a DoD contractor, and discovered that our order emails to suppliers were bouncing as spam if it went to a Verizon address. We tried for a solid week to call everyone we could possibly find at Verizon that could help, but either got stonewalled, referred to some useless person, or (most often) shoved into the standard customer tech support queue. Mostly we were treated like either a social-engineering attempt, an idiot, or something similar.
Thing is, my employer ran the EMALL website, which all armed forces used to order anything which wasn't an actual weapon. Our index was bigger than Amazon's
Finally, I gave up and spoke with the managers at DLA (Defense Logistics Agency), laying out the problem to date. We then put out a system-wide notice to all DoD suppliers that if they wanted to sell something to the military, they'd damned well better use something other than a Verizon email account. Two weeks later, Verizon came out of the blue, desperately calling us asking what they could do to help us out. Turns out they weren't fully RFC-compliant at the time; they fixed it pretty quickly once they realized that a lot of their DoD-supplier customers were suddenly asking them how much the contract ETFs came to.
Sad part is, if my employer was some tiny company in BFE, there would likely still be a problem with the damned thing.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
"With IPsoft's tools, work that is now done by human beings, mostly Level 1 support, could be done by a software machine."
Software Machine? From my experience most first level support could be replaced with a batch file or python script. 99% are just following a script, or worse, just act as some sort of very faulty speech-to-text interface for turning a phone call into text in a ticket and tossing said ticket over the wall to the next level of support.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Take away all the dishonesty and watch the cost "differential" evaporate into thin air.
In addition, those guest workers are sought for having the status as indentured servants, something not associated with citizens in the properly functioning (and non-distorted by guest workers/illegals) job markets of First World countries like the US.
A few decades ago, McCarthy would have rightfully put you and these companies in their place for siding with enemies of the United States of America.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
We need more automation in general.
I know this means some low level jobs evaporate. But it also means companies aren't having to pay for those jobs anymore which means their priorities will shift to getting trained labor. And that means either companies will start focusing more on actually training their own labor a bit more which they can afford if they're not paying for low end labor. Or the universities will at least get somewhat competent at preparing people for the work force.
People whine about automation but its pointless. Its the future. Deal with it.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Foreign programmers are willing to do the same job for less money; where's the "dishonesty"?
The workers Maxo-Texas was referring to are short term visitors that find out customer needs here and then go back to their home country. Where is the "indentured servitude" there? Even H1-B workers have the option of quitting and leaving any time they want; it is a temporary worker program, after all, and people signing up for it have no expectation of staying.
McCarthy was a moron. Fortunately, the US realized that free trade and free international competition was in its own security and economic interest, and we have prospered because of it.
Would that be the cheery bright blue of a tv with no signal?
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
http://www.ipsoft.com/content/meet-max
No idea whether it works or not. There are lots of corporations in the world who can talk a good game, just not play one. Many of them are in India. You decide.
Wages are leveling out.
My main point of irritation is that I can't legally buy movies, medicine, software development packages, and many other products for the extremely low price the same corporations legally sell them to indians and chinese for.
I have to pay $19.99 for a movie selling legally in china for $2.49.
I have to pay $5.00 a day for blood pressure medication selling legally in india for 10 cents.
It's ILLEGAL for someone to buy a bunch over there and ship it back here and sell the movies for $3.49 and the pills for 20 cents (100% mark up).
A few years ago Microsoft was GIVING development suites to indians free while I had to pay $750 for the same product.
Indian wages (as of novermber 2012) were going up 20%. China is seeing 12% to 100% annual wage inflation.
It's been a long painful walk, but sometime in the next 4-8 years it won't be worth it to offshore any more. These automation programs are a leading edge. Infosys also is trying to rebrand themselves from being a company that sells legions of code monkeys and grunt programmers to a company that sells managers and ceos. That's also a sign of the increasing wage structure.
I was lucky. I lived on half of what I made since 2000 and I was able to retire early. Now I do massage therapy, draw, and paint for fun. I'm looking at doing some programming for fun but haven't done so yet. Either Libreoffice (I read they are friendly), or Android (for my dnd game), or some kind of board gaming table software.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
, work that is now done by human beings, mostly Level 1 support, could be done by a software machine
MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA. Oh, sorry, you were serious. Oh well, MUAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAH!!!!
On a serious note, those of us who are in the knows, who have done some type of IT work, we know that that is bullshit. Tier I support has never been done, and can never be done with a IVR system.
For example, let's consider IVR systems, which is where these supposed "software machine" silver bullets can fit in. Call your cell phone or cable provider, and you will see that at most, what you get is an IVR system that leads you to an specialist (or sometimes someone who is reading a script of instructions) after the IVR has tried to collect some basic problem description that, in theory, helps facilitate the specialist.
That is all.
Let's call the IVR system a Tier-0 support system (or more appropriately, a routing system that takes a customer to actual Tier I support.) That is all. It's only when a human being in Tier I support fails at resolving the issue, that Tier II and Tier III get summoned. One would have to create one hell of an expert systems to barely begin to mimick Tier I support for the general-case type of problems.
All you would do is piss the customer. Case in point, look at AT&T and Bank of America, and other cell providers. They are phasing out IVR systems (or severely reducing them) in favor of actual human beings (couple that with a minor shift away from offshore call centers, but that's another story.)
And that is just for mundane tasks.
'what robotics did for the auto assembly line, we are now doing for the IT engineering line.
Yeah, because IT is like pulling levers or flipping burguers (no offense, since I once pulled levers and flipped burguers.)
Serious question: Do they even know what the hell robotics mean?????
I bet they actually do but they are simply latching to the next buzzword (since manufacturing and robotics are the hot pancakes of the day), hoping for the next business-type offsourcing dumbass to actually fall for it.
Up next on Fox News, they invented software-based monkey coders (and thus circumvented Turing's Halting Problem.)
Most people who are still coming to USA fall in two categories. Some of them still love the freedom, opportunities and the general law and order and free markets etc. The other set is people who did not make the top cut in India, so trying to improve their chances by adding American experience to their resume.
Pretty soon all the goodwill earned by the top notch graduates from IITs, IISc and National Institutes of Technology, in the 1990s and early 2000s would have been totally spent. May be it has already happened. Now the fresh Indian H1-Bs are often seen as malingering, incompetent but with highly inflated ego. So even if the H1-B quota is raised to infinity, if the American corporations wise up, most of these visas will go unused. But Corporate America has to wake up first.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Have you tried turning it off and on again ?
Hmm, so H1B's go to the best and the brightest 1st line support engineers that can be replaced by software, really?
This is what has been happening in Silicon Valley and several other software development regions in the US. the talent pool is appalling. There is a lot of nepotism and favorite-seeking. I have seen engineers from India promoted to senior architect positions by their Indian-peer manager, who don't know the first thing about how to architect software systems! Add to this the fact that in some of these situations the software underdevelopment was for mission-critical systems, like air transport, medical diagnostic systems, finance, etc.
What we're looking at, downstream, over the next several years, is a domino effect that is going to make us reap[ the whirlwind for letting these incompetents in to our software development environments.
A few months ago I was talking with someone who told me about absolutely unqualified L-1 (student) visa employees who were put into mission-critical positions, having almost no idea what they were doing.
Another thing that comes along with what I prefer to call a pestilence of H1-B's is their cultural attitudes toward women, and subordinate employees. The sheer arrogance of Indian managers is something to behold. I have seen too many treat their employees like chattel, and put up an all-but-opaque glass ceiling for women, and non-Indian employees.
ANYONE who gets out and asks around in Silicon Valley can verify this, but the press it too lazy to look at what's going on.
Another thing: most of the recruiters in these regions are ex-H1-B's who have moved from software development into recruiting, where they steadily eliminate highly qualifies American candidates from consideration, and "hire their own". Go talk to most of these so-called recruiters about job requirements for an RFP; they don't know what they're talking about; they will read an inflated RFP that is meant to EXCLUDE qualified Americans (with overblown requirements) as if it's the bible. They don't even understand what it takes to do the job.
So, this is what Bill Gates, John Chambers, and many other greedy CEO's have brought us, a whole new culture of ineffective H1-B's, working on our mission-critical software.
That said, there are some talented ones, but they are the EXCEPTION. Don't believe me? Go and ask around.
Here's more:
What's little known is that American corporations are using large-scale outright deception and manipulation in an attempt to displace American Workers.
Some of the information presented in the following links will shock most Americans, because American corporate leaders don't want us to know the truth, and they are paying off policy makers with contributions to keep the truth from us. The H-1B fiasco has cost Americans $10TRILLION dollars, since 1975. For anyone who wants to know the truth, read on.
One of the most respected technology pundits in Silicon Valley:
http://www.cringely.com/2012/10/23/what-americans-dont-know-about-h-1b-visas-could-hurt-us-all/
Watch this attorney and his consultants teach corporations how to manipulate the law to replace qualified American workers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
Here's more abuse of the L-1 Visa (H1-B's are only the tip of the iceberg
http://economyincrisis.org/content/l-visa-programs-brimming-abuses
Professor Norman Matloff's extremely well documented studies:
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html
From India by any chance?
Good Indian engineers were coming before H1B1. The visa allowed people with fake degrees, poor skills and relatives to come to the US. I understand the language and was amazed on the level of technical knowledge the engineers had.
Funny, people from 3rd world countries will lie through their teeth to "save face" on how wonderful it is there and in the mean time they are desperately trying to stay in the US.
Everybody should read Maxo-Texas comment twice. It's exactly the problem with anything done outside of the U.S. whether you import the product or the worker.
stenvar said:
Take away all the dishonesty and watch the cost "differential" evaporate into thin air.
Foreign programmers are willing to do the same job for less money; where's the "dishonesty"?
While foreign programmer are willing to work for less money, they don't work for a lesser lifestyle. It just costs less to live at the median level in India and China than it does in the U.S. As Maxo-Taco said, where would companies like Walmart or Target be if China and India could sell directly to the public? Imagine that you bypass Amazon and buy directly from China. DealsExtreme does it very cheaply. Walmart and Target are the real constituency of your senators and congressmen.
The time's coming when American retailers and businesses will be completely bought out or displaced by Chinese companies as will the management that runs those companies. Then the wailing and gnashing of teeth will begin.
Being dumb, being incompetent in the job but being street smart etc are kind of universal. You find all kinds of people in all castes.
You could be the typical troll who incites a brahmin-non-brahmin brawl in threads in soc.culture.indian. Typically almost all the threads there end in such a brawl. The Indian version of Godwin's law is, once the thread mentions brhamins vs non-brahmins, it is time for sane people to kill the thread and leave.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
People with poor skills are able to lie through their teeth and come in here because the good ones are staying back.
I don't get IIT resumes any more. Now a days I don't even get Region Engineering Colleges, NIT resumes either. It is all no name engineering colleges with unpronounceable (even to me) engineering colleges from godforsaken hinterlands of India. Talk to graduate school admission officers in top American Univs. How much the inflow from IITs to do Masters/PhD has dwindled.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Don't bother trying to educate a bigot. I hate the H-1B program as much as the next American, but I abhor racism. Also, somebody please mod the GP down to -2.
Not that it's technically impossible, but when people have a problem they want to speak to a person and not a machine. Even the simplest problems, like password resets, can be complicated if there's any kind of security policy in place. We have a choice of telecom LEC and CLEC in our area and the CLEC gets out business almost every time (they'd get ALL of our business except, as an organization, we prefer to have some diversification in vendors.) The CLEC gets so much of our business because every time we call them with a circuit problem (which is quite rare anyhow) we get a live person straight away who routes the call for us. No menus, no guessing. The CLEC knows what people expect and they give it to them. That CLEC, by the way, is Cox Communications.
Infosys might want to focus on the implementation of better processes so that fewer level 1 calls are made to begin with.
then why do we have the problems in the first place?
Seriously, if the problems are that easy to solve, then why aren't they pre-emptively detected and repaired by some of the bloatware installed on enterprise machines these days?
I strongly suspect that this will simply be slightly more sophisticated automated call routing with voice recognition - in otherwords, just a way of delaying the costly, but still inevitable, point where one needs to talk to a human with a clue (i.e. knows where to route the ticket).
As most of us are aware, the standard IT support strategy for the truly meaty problems is simply to delay, delay, delay, until the customer gives up and goes away. Certainly, that's how HP does it (using well-meaning Indian, Malaysian, Costa Rican, and Bulgarian staff who don't have the authority to actually investigate problems).
I don't understand the concept that cleaning your OWN toilet is an issue worthy of considering when relocating to a different country. Even so, if you can pass a Google interview or similar, I can assure that the offer you get will allow you to hire someone to come clean your house each week if that's what you want to do with your money (I'm on an H1B and accepted such an offer). A quick internet search shows a full house cleaning is less than 100$. The real issue is that currently H1B's aren't mainly being used for top notch talent in the first place - it's being used to get foreigners here to do grunt work at low wages. It's true that those people probably can't afford much when they get here.
if he doesn't want to be sued for making false statements regarding his company's outlook, since Infosys is a public company and no one, including Infosys is going to do for IT what manufacturing did for the assembly line.
Programs (robots ) can't write bespoke programs or even troubleshoot existing ones better than say LINT and realistically are as far away from that goal as human-level general cognition type AI has always been, which is to say a it's still a mere pipe dream.
It's not like there aren't teams who periodically assemble with some new way of automatically composing programs from, say, existing components, or from VERY descriptive descriptions - little languages- of the program to be written or within some VERY VERY limited domain. In fact, there is always a new run at this being made somewhere and while it's sucked up more than it's fair share of VC fumes , it's never delivered on jack squat.
So if this jackofff is thinking he's making a credible threat to Congress in response to being told he can't dump (crappy, underpaid ) labor on the UIS market, then please, Congress, rest assured this is the very emptiest of all empty threats.
If this slumdog-millionaire style greasy-haired dirtbag is thinking he's making a forward looking statement to investors then he's going to want to avoid a possible shareholder lawsuit by accurately qualify his statement with just how many decades- and that would be no less than ten- before anything like "IT robots" amount to more than
"...push or say 'one'... "
I agree that it's irritating. But I don't think it's rally all that serious. Differences are mostly for patents and copyrights, and those will go away as wage differences disappear.
I don't think it's been painful at all. We're actually much better off than we used to, and the fact that the Chinese and Indians have developed as well as they have makes us all a lot safer.
That's not luck, you were prudent. More people should be like that.
Well, more free trade and lower import duties would be nice.
The economy doesn't work that way; rather, as the Chinese get richer, they'll have a larger share of the world economy until we eventually reach an equilibrium. And as borders and trade become more open, it will matter less and less anyway.
Gupta is generic term for all dot/slurpy indians.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
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(I think we all see that this isn't going to help at all.)
If anything I'm a castist. Brahmen are useless air thieves. All of them.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Then I apologize for calling you a racist, but you're still a bigot, regardless of the details.
To understand this, you need to talk to your parents or grandparents generation where they paid enormous attention to their clothes. My Italian American colleague, son of an immigrant, recalled that his dad used to pack his work clothes in a case and wear a shirt, tie and trousers to ride the buses to the factory where he would change to his work clothes. And change before leaving the factory. For him to be seen in his oil stained factory denim trousers and denim bib was infra dig. I have seen pictures of foremen ridiculously wearing a tie a shirt and a hat, completely drenched in sweat looking miserable overseeing a mass of workers stripped to the waist manhandiling girdirs or railroad ties etc. For them that tie is a status symbol worth all the misery of wearing one!
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Why not just sell them into slavery while you're at it?
Where are my mod points...
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
Actually, this scheme to appease the dumb masses by reducing H1B visas will simply encourage U.S. companies to set up offshore development centers.
-- Jimtown Kelly
These days we have good quality wrist watches that are very inexpensive. It is hard to find watches not assembled by robots from parts made on computerized machinery. Human input usually indicates lower quality products.
That would just depress wages further. How can anyone compete with someone who is coerced into doing the work for free?
Then again, globalisation seems to be driving the entire world into "elites" and "wage-slaves", so we are pretty much there already. Just that it isn't as blatant as slavery was back then, and we are still in the process of transformation (if your salary is going down in real terms, while others are making money hand over fist, you can safely assume you will be eventually falling into the "wage-slave" category).
If you thought Arizona was bad enough, start thinking if about every state (to some degree) starts responding to China like that state responds to illegals.
While foreign programmer are willing to work for less money, they don't work for a lesser lifestyle.
They work for less freedom - the amount of freedom that a business wants US citizens to have, but cannot have courtesy of protections.
It just costs less to live at the median level in India and China than it does in the U.S.
Unlike the US, those backwaters are filled with junk products and bad infrastructure. In addition, living conditions are worse off than the US.
As Maxo-Taco said, where would companies like Walmart or Target be if China and India could sell directly to the public?
Since WMT is already an arm of the PRC after the pro-American founder died, you're already looking at it.
Imagine that you bypass Amazon and buy directly from China. DealsExtreme does it very cheaply. Walmart and Target are the real constituency of your senators and congressmen.
You get a lot of unreliable products - with inconsistent quality - that are shipped very slowly and might as well be an IED by manufacture.
The time's coming when American retailers and businesses will be completely bought out or displaced by Chinese companies as will the management that runs those companies. Then the wailing and gnashing of teeth will begin.
Followed by literal tons of dead Chinese that made the mistake of crossing to the United States - with nobody caring to prosecute (or surviving the attempt). If you want a possible scenario, think of Red Dawn, except with the Chinese in play. Same kind of threat, same kind of response.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I don't think it's been painful at all. We're actually much better off than we used to, and the fact that the Chinese and Indians have developed as well as they have makes us all a lot safer.
Faust got a better deal for losing his soul.
Things are worse for gutting our own industries - in ways not seen before at this scale. Inviting hostile Second and Third World countries has made the world less safe given their predisposition to making things more dangerous and less free.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Well, more free trade and lower import duties would be nice.
Not as long as any US citizen continue to be harmed. Not as long as any fraud is committed by any business that shows their contempt for free US citizens.
The economy doesn't work that way; rather, as the Chinese get richer, they'll have a larger share of the world economy until we eventually reach an equilibrium. And as borders and trade become more open, it will matter less and less anyway.
The more one forgets about the trees around oneself while looking at the whole forest, the more likely that one will see their own fate ended by a nearby falling tree.
If anything, the US should return to a policy that contains the Second and Third World nations - instead of using them as leverage against US citizens looking for work.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
What entitles businesses to have a better status in the world than the people that work for them? Why should the United States have to bow before the world in order to prosper?
You seem to want some kind of guarantee of long term stability, but that doesn't exist in an era of rapid technological change. On the other hand, you also seem to think it's a disaster when the current jobs disappear, but it isn't.
Why should long-term stability not exist along with technological change? There are plenty of people that do better when long-term stability is guaranteed them - and through forms of labor that allow them to fully use their potential.
To simply sweep people under the rug and to believe on blind faith that *something* else "not seen" will come is to make things worse off.
And you're blind to what's actually going on in the economy; for example, you think only in terms of manufactured consumer goods, when America's manufacturing sector is bigger than ever, but happens to be making higher value products that you don't really see. [derp redacted]
Doesn't matter when it makes unreasonable skill demands and doesn't care to use the people that already exist within the manufacturing sector.
We just don't know what the jobs are going to be in 30 years, but there will be lots of jobs and they will be filled.
Immaterial given that you simply want to brush off the people of today while looking way far off in the future.
And if more people were to stay at home to raise a family because one parent's income is enough for all their needs and wants, like they used to, all the better; we don't actually need to reach 100% labor participation rate or have lots of two person households working.
Surrender your citizenship, go to the EU or some Third World hellhole, globalist.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
US citizens aren't being harmed. America pushed the agenda of free trade on the rest of the world because it is in our interest. The protectionist bullshit you are spouting is what has gotten Europe and the rest of the world into trouble time and again.
We haven't "gutted" our industries; US manufacturing is stronger than ever before. It's just that other parts of the economy have grown even faster.
The world is safer than ever before: there is less violence, fewer armed conflicts, much leas threat to US interests, and less hunger.
If you start with delusional beliefs about the world, it's no wonder that you have all sorts of conspiracy theories to explain them.
Many years ago (aka 1990) I worked at a BIG computer company which built legions of softbots. These guys were great on the old mainframe where no application system ever actually communicated with any other application system. The softbot could scarf data off the output screen of one virtual terminal application, then post it onto multiple others, to update, run further queries, or whatever. You could watch a softbot, as busy as a beaver, if you wanted. Nothing much actually happened as he was a BIG workstation size thingy, which looked mostly like he was doing nothing. But the screen flashed a lot. If you programmed him to make various game sounds as he worked, he could sound like he was fighting an intergalactic war. Great Stuff That! Sounds like maybe the guys from Bangalore finally found something they could actually clone in all the code given to them for free, while they pretended to work on it for cheap. So the Bangalore guys think they can train a softbot to actually write code. That might mean they have figured out how to convince a computer to program itself. US programmers, so much dumber than Bangalore programmers, were at least smart enough not to let the business morons know we knew how to do that. Apparently not in Bangalore. Ok so which SDK does this softbot prefer, anyway?