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PETA Wants To Sue Anonymous HuffPo Commenters
MarkWhittington writes, quoting himself: "PETA is incensed over an article in the Huffington Post that details that organization's unsettling practice of euthanizing animals in a Virginia facility that many have assumed is a no kill shelter. According to the New York Post, PETA wants to sue some of the people who have left comments on the article. The problem is that, following the practice of many on the Internet, many of the comments are under assumed names or are anonymous. PETA is attempting to discover the true identities of their critics so that it can sue them for defamation."
Now, PETA, sue me over my opinion.
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PETA pushes the article's circulation into the stratosphere, via the Streisand effect, effectively shooting themselves in the foot. Congrats, idiots.
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Yes, PETA - Recycle your pets.
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euthanizing an animal is good
euthanizing an animal and using its protein is evil
now excuse me while I use the protein of a lovely and beautiful and once-free-and-frolicking sea kitten
If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made out of meat.
To be fair to PETA, at least one example from TFA is absolutely false:
it objects to terms like "animal Kervorkians,"
It is completely false and unfair to compare PETA to Dr. Kevorkian. Dr. Kervokian only killed people who volunteered to die. PETA, on the other hand, is killing animals who have not volunteered to die. PETA is an organization animal murderers (the meat goes to waste, therefore it is murder and not food) while Dr. Kevorkian assisted patients in committing suicide. Big difference.
PETA is attempting to discover the true identities of the supressive persons so that it can sue them for defamation.
FTFY. Like Scientologists, these people and free speech don't get along.
But I think PETA subscribes to the "all press is good press" school of thought.
For a minute, I thought PETA was poking the hacker group Anonymous with a stick. Now THAT would be an interesting battle... I'm a little disappointed.
PETA, through its kill shelters, is responsible for killing more pet animals than any other entity on earth. Their political stance is about gathering money, and nothing else.
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in its shelters. "In 2011, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) behaved in a regrettably consistent manner: it euthanized the overwhelming majority of dogs and cats that it accepted into its shelters. Out of 760 dogs impounded, they killed 713, arranged for 19 to be adopted, and farmed out 36 to other shelters (not necessarily "no kill" ones). As for cats, they impounded 1,211, euthanized 1,198, transferred eight, and found homes for a grand total of five. PETA also took in 58 other companion animals -- including rabbits. It killed 54 of them."
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220.html
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Unfortunately, my local recycling center only takes animals labeled PETA 2, 3, and 5 (your general small furries). PETA 1 (reptilian) and PETA 6 (aquatic) need to be hauled all the way to the next county, so nobody really bothers. And god forbid you have a wolf or black bear to dispose of - NOBODY takes PETA 7.
If they really want us to recycle, they'll make this damned system easier...
I can only imagine its some out of touch half drunk twits that sign checks at cocktail parties so attractive but vapid people can pretend to like them.
Who is honestly proud of anything PETA has done? They have no impact on the society. So at best they're failures. At worst... Oh god, does it get bad.
They were sort of funny when they threw red ink on socialites wearing fur coats but then they went after people's pets and BACON!... there's no coming back from that.
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They're rather worse than Greenpeace, IMHO. Greenpeace doesn't give money to arsonists or kill thousands of pets.
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is this accurate? im really confused.
I think you may be mistaking what are actually contrasting and often contradictory statements of discrete individuals across several communities for a monolithic statement of belief by a single collective mind.
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I think we need to hold a fundraiser so we can finally take these awesome PETA fanatics and give them what they've always wanted; a life in and around happy, free animals...lions specifically. A big field full of lions. Lions are also known for their ethical treatment of other animals.
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PETA basically comes off as a semi-terrorist organization. Which it is...
You're a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and assholes. And do feel free to give it a shot, we have excellent anti-SLAPP provisions in my state.
To fight the war on terror, stop being afraid.
Think of PETA as the environmentalist equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church, and suddenly it all makes sense.
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Let me preface this comment by stating that, as an animal advocate, I am not in ideological alignment with PETA and I do not generally support this organization. That said, Nathan Winograd's HuffPo article amounts to little more than malicious hearsay and it is incredibly biased, leaving out critical information in favor of whipping lazy readers into a furor. PETA does not euthanize adoptable animals. PETA has an open-door program in place to accept and euthanize sick and injured animals which cannot be accepted into other animal shelters, in order to prevent them from being abandoned otherwise. Limited resources necessarily force animal shelters to pick and choose which animals they will accept and when they will accept them -- leaving some unwanted animals with no other place to go but the roadside or the dumpster. People who don't want their pet, or can't afford to treat the pet's illness or injury, will abandon them. It's horrible, but it happens all the time. If there isn't a place, especially in a large and poorer urban area, that will accept any animal at any time regardless of condition, people abandon them. It's that simple. As someone who has lived in rural areas for more than fifteen years, I've seen the little-discussed end result of the failed "no-kill" mission and limited-admission shelters -- a constant stream of aggressive, injured, and sick pets dumped on country roads because the local shelter turned them away. As far as I can tell, PETA has not attempted to deceive the public about their program or its purpose -- in fact, PETA maintains a website about the program called "Why PETA Euthanizes." PETA appears to be quite public about this program and why they believe it is necessary. Furthermore, Winograd is believed to be responsible for posting anonymous comments on articles by or about him to make it seem as though he has reinforcements. Truth is an absolute defense to slander/libel claims, but PETA absolutely has the right to sue for defamation if the comments are untrue. Further reading: http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/ http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/rebuttal-huffington-posts-nathan-j-winograd http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-01-29/news/barc-sucks/6/
The WBC is toothless in carrying out its agenda, though. PETA essentially believes in exterminating all domestic pets; that humanity has sinned by breeding them in the first place—and it does quite a lot to seek out that goal, often in an extremely and unnecessarily inhumane manner, as you might expect of the kind of people who maintain such a hostile, perverse thesis.
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PETA is far worse than Greenpeace. Greenpeace is just nutty. PETA is outright evil with their "a dead animal is a non-suffering animal" shelter policies.
It's actually a lot worse, and I say this as someone with no love for gun rights. You'll need a strong stomach for the reason why, though. (I mean it.)
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Pets Emulsified and Toasted as Appetizer?
You'd better be prepared for a lawsuit from PETA, Samantha Wright.
Also the original geenpeace was founded by scientists who wanted to apply scientific principles to environmental policy, many of it's founders left when the hollow men took over and started running anti-science campaigns against (say) chlorhinated water in the early 90's. The WWF is still a very respectable bunch of tree huggers, David Attenbourough recently credited them with "saving the Galapogous islands".
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
If PETA have their way, then there will be no more lolcats. That means they have thrown down the gauntlet to Anonymous & 4chan.
*grabs popcorn and beer* Let the battle commence.
Local shelters kills more even the private held one.
But the difference lies in adoption rate. PETA kills 95+% of what it get given not really bothering giving animals as pet, after all "pets"! are in genral against their policy. Shelter private or public depending on the animal get 40 to 60% back to adoption.
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I never thought of it that way before. That's a very apt comparison. They're both groups of annoying assholes who do far more harm than good to the causes that they claim to care about.
Bravo.
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It's no strawman—it sounds ghoulish, but it's most definitely reality, unlike their official statements. There have been several cases of PETA workers coming forward and stating that animals are killed improperly by the organization. I don't really want to spam the same link over and over (I've already posted a really disturbing photodocumentary in another comment here), but if you do a bit more research than the official statement you'll find that it's a lot of whitewashing.
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Then you're not really paying attention.
While the NRA wants to be pretty much free from the dictated rules of others, PETA wants to be the one dictating.
NRA: Leave us alone, we're doing our thing.
PETA: Stop what you're doing or we'll harass you.
See the difference?
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PETA should be allowed to discover the identities of the posters for the purposes of suing them, if the statements are in fact defamatory. But the first bar PETA should have to clear is to demonstrate to the court that the statements are in fact defamatory. And they should be required to identify the allegedly-defamatory posts publicly, so the posters can retain counsel and contest the allegations without having their identity revealed. Only after they've prevailed on the "the statements are defamatory" part should they be allowed discovery as to the identities of the posters. And if they fail to follow through and file suit, sanctions should be imposed for abuse of process.
Being anonymous should not mean you can't be held accountable for what you say, but the first step should be showing that someone could be held legally accountable for saying what was said. If what was said isn't actionable, then it shouldn't matter who said it.
There countless animal welfare organisations more worthy of donations that these clowns. Organisations that spend their money improving welfare and reducing cruelty to animals without the dumb moralising or activism.
Yeah, but I kind of like it when their sexy members get naked and stuff though :) I used to have a "PETA" folder somewhere but I lost it. Could someone post a few?
Sounds like Profitable and Efficient Termination of Animals.
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PETA's position is that we ought not kill any animals any where. But they kill 95% of the pets entrusted to their care.
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What is a "right"? What does it mean to have a "right to life"?
How inappropriate to call this planet Earth, when clearly it is Ocean.
Doesn't matter how baseless it is, you can file suit. However, that is not to say you'll succeed or it is a good idea. A judge can throw the case out in pre-trial, and can impose sanctions if it is an extremely stupid suit.
In PETA's case, I imagine this is largely a publicity stunt and something to try and harass detractors. They wouldn't really want this to go to trial as it would not go in their favour.
Well indirectly Greenpeace has help accelerate global warming by effectively running a campaign to end all current product and future research on mankind's ability to split the atom.
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I heard they are the Kervorkians of the animal kingdom. Now please sue me.
due to the typically brutal lives that wild pets usually endure fighting disease and competing for territory and food
Otherwise known as "nature"...
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I have two cats from a no-kill shelter (i.e. not run by PETA). That good enough for you, PETArd?
Pets Euthanized and Touted as Adopted
That's the issue, there are more pets than people can properly care for due to the economy, as well as extra animals from neglectful owners that abuse or don't "fix" their pets and let them run the streets.
There isn't enough money to care for strays, or people willing to take them. So eventually the shelters have to put the animals down. Sounds like PETA didn't like that basic fact being published... But it's still a fact that they CANNOT save all the animals they rescue, its not their fault. But they created this "bleeding heart movement" that's going to backlash on them.
Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy in action.
Like most ultra-left-wing radical groups, they love the idea of Saving All The Animals(TM), as long as it's someone else that has to do the work.
We used to have some liberal asshat who worked in our office, and she would constantly go around showing pictures of animals at the local shelter who needed foster homes. One day I asked her how many dogs she was fostering at home and she said, in a perfect sorority girl tone of voice "oh, I can't foster. I don't have time to take care of them."
Liberals LOVE the *idea* of people making sacrifices for the benefit of others, as long as it is the OTHERS who are making the sacrifices.
I used to donate to the WWF, until I watched one of their TV shows where they were fighting over the money in some kind of big metal cage instead of using it to save pandas.
PETA is and always has been such a joke.
PETA is an organization that pretends to love animals.
What PETA really is is an organization that hates people. Their fundamental position is that basically, no animal would ever voluntarily want to even be on the same planet as the evil horrible creatures known as "humans", that simple proximity to humans is intensely stressful to them, and that all humans are good for is to exploit, torment, and kill animals.
Their ignorance of what the animals themselves actually want and need is outright appalling. When they go full-on "rescue", the poor animals might as well be in an abattoir. They turn the phrase "killing with Kindness" quite literal. In fact, abattoirs have are often more humane. At least abattoirs are set up for relatively quick and painless death as opposed to panicked animals being smeared all over the highways and general mayhem.
I strongly believe in respect for animals. But to truly show respect, you need to gain understanding, not arrogantly assume you know best.
Yep we lost one comment to the Scientologists already. Although since their operations manual has leaked out revealing that their strategy is to threaten lawsuits wantonly with no intention of following through, I'd hope that Slashdot would call their bluff in the future.
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This is a YRO story. Can the courts compel HuffPo to turn over the identities of the users? Under what circumstances? If the courts have the legal power to do this, SHOULD they have this power?
I tend to err strongly on the side of free speech. I don't like the idea of courts having this power, because the circumstances under which they could compel disclosure of identities are always subject to change. Today it might be defamation, tomorrow it might be legitimate criticism of the government.
Leaving aside the question of existing law, I would argue that rantings of an AC on an internet forum can't meet a standard of causing "harm" to a person or organization. Regardless of how libelous or scandalous the comment, an AC has zero credibility unless they are able to provide facts which can then be independently verified. If the facts harm the reputation of a person or group, then truth should be an absolute defense (although in many countries that's not the case). Otherwise, any anonymous and unsubstantiated accusations should be dismissed out of hand and deemed 'harmless'.
Responding to this comment is not an indication that my stance toward PETA as a whole has any bearing on the truth of what I've written. It doesn't. I anticipated this childish accusation, and I've stated emphatically that I do not support PETA in general, but since that doesn't seem to be enough, here are just a few of many major problems I have with this organization: PETA's ad campaigns are hostile and abusive toward women. PETA campaigns frequently treat women like objects and use women's bodies for attention. PETA has compared animals to people of color. PETA has compared factory farms to the Holocaust and dog shows to KKK rallies. While I am opposed to factory farms and breeding dogs for extreme looks, PETA's campaigns are highly offensive and counterproductive at best. In fact, a majority of PETAs campaigns -- such as the "save the sea kittens" campaign -- seem carefully designed to provoke public mockery but little if any action. PETA staffers have had ties with the ELF and ALF, groups that have used destruction and intimidation as tactics. I emphatically oppose these tactics. While PETA cannot be closely tied to these crimes, their refusal to denounce certain tactics or groups lends credence to the belief that animal activists are terrorists or would-be terrorists. PETA rather thoughtlessly endorsed bans on hunting which backfired and caused large, yet-to-be-recovered from drops in wildlife populations, particularly in African nations. PETA refuses to acknowledge any positive role that regulated hunting might have in protecting animals and undeveloped space. PETA opposes animal testing on virtually all grounds for virtually all reasons. PETA does not acknowledge the role of animal testing in preventing animal suffering. PETA draws no distinction between humanely-raised local animal products and factory-farmed animal products, which may lead some people to the mistaken belief that if they choose to eat meat, where it comes from doesn't matter. PETA's ongoing message that a "true" animal lover has to be vegan doesn't produce more vegans, it just turns away potential animal activists. PETA believes that keeping pets is a form of exploitation and should end. I disagree on the grounds that early, positive relationships with pets is proven to be a key factor in whether or not people learn to be kind to animals. I personally do not, and would not, support PETA and I never have. I do not donate to this organization and I would not work with them because I feel that they are inefficient, misguided, and counterproductive at best. PETA has given animal activism a black eye and the organization can be criticized on many legitimate, well-documented grounds. That said, their euthanasia program has been mischaracterized by someone with a clear conflict of interest and a demonstrated tendency to omit contextualizing information. My saying so doesn't make me a shill.
The difference is that other shelters at least try to find homes.
Not PETA. They take in animals, and then they kill them. There's no intermediate step.
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