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Jeremy Hammond of LulzSec Pleads Guilty To Stratfor Attack

eldavojohn writes "After facing 30 years to life imprisonment and pleading not guilty to charges last year, Jeremy Hammond has pleaded guilty to his alleged involvement in Anonymous' hacking of Stratfor. The self proclaimed hacktivist member of LulzSec, who has compared his situation to that of the late Aaron Swartz, explained his reasoning in his plea: 'Today I pleaded guilty to one count of violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. This was a very difficult decision. I hope this statement will explain my reasoning. I believe in the power of the truth. In keeping with that, I do not want to hide what I did or to shy away from my actions. This non-cooperating plea agreement frees me to tell the world what I did and why, without exposing any tactics or information to the government and without jeopardizing the lives and well-being of other activists on and offline. During the past 15 months I have been relatively quiet about the specifics of my case as I worked with my lawyers to review the discovery and figure out the best legal strategy. There were numerous problems with the government's case, including the credibility of FBI informant Hector Monsegur. However, because prosecutors stacked the charges with inflated damages figures, I was looking at a sentencing guideline range of over 30 years if I lost at trial. I have wonderful lawyers and an amazing community of people on the outside who support me. None of that changes the fact that I was likely to lose at trial. But, even if I was found not guilty at trial, the government claimed that there were eight other outstanding indictments against me from jurisdictions scattered throughout the country. If I had won this trial I would likely have been shipped across the country to face new but similar charges in a different district. The process might have repeated indefinitely. ... I did what I believe is right.'"

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  1. New strategy in criminal law? by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Charge someone that you know is guilty of one thing with a ridiculous array of charges that you know he is not guilty of, on the chance that he'll take your plea "deal" and avoid the possibility of being convicted (wrongly) on the BS charges.
    Sounds rather like patent trolling.

    1. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The reason it sounds like patent trolling is more because it sounds like extortion. They leveraged the law to force him to plea. If he hadn't he could have spent years going around the country until someone convicted him. I don't know much about him or if he deserves his conviction or not but that seems like a flaw in the justice system that should be fixed.

    2. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by waspleg · · Score: 2

      You're correct. It is. The only part that is incorrect is the "new strategy" part; this isn't a new tactic.

    3. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The reason it sounds like patent trolling is more because it sounds like extortion. They leveraged the law to force him to plea. If he hadn't he could have spent years going around the country until someone convicted him. I don't know much about him or if he deserves his conviction or not but that seems like a flaw in the justice system that should be fixed.

      They have evidence he broke the law on numerous occasions. A murderer being charged for multiple murders isn't a loophole.

    4. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Even if this is true (that they have bulletproof evidence), given the fact that this tactics is often used against people who later turn out to be innocent, it ought to be banned in general anyway.

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    5. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know the guy, from his activity at HackThisSite from long ago, I doubt these are trumped charges or multiples intended to get him on one. He has been charged and has server 2 years already for hacking back then it was for stealing a database with over 5000 credit card accounts in it. I wouldn't doubt this as well.
      http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/11/23/233208/stratfor-hacker-could-be-sentenced-to-life-says-judge
      http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/05/14/232217/lulzsec-member-pleads-not-guilty-in-stratfor-leak-case
      Jeremy has a long history of run ins with the law, I doubt this will be his last. I distanced myself from both him and the site years ago due to his volatile political stance and open opinions on hacktivism.

      For a site that was touted as a safe place to learn computer and internet security it was obviously a recruiting ground for hacktivism.

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    6. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Necroman · · Score: 2

      It is much easier for a prosecutor to throw a bunch of charges at someone and hope for some them to stick. The US's double-jeopardy prevents a defendant to be tried for the same crime twice. Where exactly the line is for what is considered double-jeopardy isn't always clear, so the prosecutor has a better chance of getting a conviction if they change someone with all possible crimes they are guilty of from the start.

      If you want top stop the state from throwing a bunch of changes at someone, double-jeopardy laws need to be changed. But changing those laws so neither side of the law can easily abuse them is a difficult thing to do.

      As others have said, if a lot of the charges were indeed bogus, a defense attorney should have been able to get them thrown out.

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    7. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Synerg1y · · Score: 3, Informative

      You moron...

      "Now that I have pleaded guilty it is a relief to be able to say that I did work with Anonymous to hack Stratfor, among other websites"

      He even admitted his guilt in TFA.

      So establishing his guilt, yes the sentence is way out of proportion with the crime, and yes this is a tactic way too often used by prosecutors to "scare" a defendant into a plea bargain. The problem here is the underlying law allowing for the possibility for a 30 year conviction, while it seems like DA is doing their job in an unjust manner, they are doing their job within the confines of the law. Best option is still to not get caught.

    8. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by stewsters · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But should we punish someone with jail time who can repeatedly prove that they didn't do it? If the trials were all within a few days, it would be a small price to pay, but its more likely that that suspect would remain in jail for months or years to prove himself innocent in each case.

    9. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Tom · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not new in the least.

      It's a standard feature of the legal system. You can claim many things, they can even be mutually exclusive, and the court case is there to check which ones hold up.

      It applies to both sides, as well. Defendants routinely claim that a) they didn't do it, b) they were intoxicated when doing it and c) it was an accident. The geek in you winces that these can not all be true, so how can you claim them all - but to a lawyer, that's not even worth mentioning.

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    10. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's only a flaw if you're a member of the public.

      If you're part of the establishment it's a feature.

    11. Re: New strategy in criminal law? by Redmancometh · · Score: 2

      Part of the problem (part!) Is the ability for blatantly guilty criminals to get off. So in the past theh HAD to stack charges to get a conviction. See John Gotti Sr a la "the teflon don." He was blatantly guilty, used witness intimidation and threats, and was a horrible human being overall. It still took 4 trials. Or vinny the chin, or any number of mobsters. Sure they committed far worse crimes, but the fundamental problem was the same. To be fair I have no idea how to balance it.

    12. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by DarkTempes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We can definitely say that the United States' current methods and laws are not working.

      We have the largest prison population in the world (and the largest per capita). For the supposed land of the free I think that says volumes.

    13. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by zzsmirkzz · · Score: 2

      The best option is to not to break the law.

      Since there are more laws on the books than any one person could learn or know, in addition to the volumes of judgements interpreting and/or refining them, this is not a practical option for most. Not breaking the law requires knowing the law. Not getting caught, does not. Therefore, the best option is to not get caught (whether intentionally breaking the law or not). Basically, your best option is not to tell anyone anything about or make records of; what you have done, are doing, or plan to do in the future.

    14. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Synerg1y · · Score: 2

      He knew exactly what he was doing, maybe not the full extent of the consequences, but he should've known he was breaking at least some law and creating some sort of repercussion. Going public to his friends is where he f'ed up. So you statement:

      Basically, your best option is not to tell anyone anything about or make records of; what you have done, are doing, or plan to do in the future.

      Is best applied to things somebody is unsure of, in which case it is very good advice. It does however go against social human nature, so I'm pretty sure some people are just incapable of it, but then again those people usually aren't looking for trouble either.

    15. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      You should not be rewarded for committing more crimes.

      Gee, I hope you're not a banker, or one of those wall street mavens...

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    16. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is a false equivalent and is really kind of over simplifying the issue.

      It's more like someone being charged with multiple murders in several jurisdictions, along with:
      1 count of aggravated assault for each murder,
      1 count of battery for each murder,
      1 count of kidnapping for each murder count
      1 count of reckless driving,
      1 count of improper disposal of a body,
      1 count of improper storage of human remains,
      3 counts of use of a firearm during the commission of a crime (because you had 3 guns),
      1 count of taking a body across state lines
      All this on top of the multiple murder charges you're already facing. Now substitute murder with "violation of CAFA" and change the violent charges to fraud charges.

      I think you get the point. The charges get stacked in such a ridiculous manner and if you're found guilty of even one you're still going to go to jail for something and the juries are so hopelessly confused that they don't have much of a choice but to usually just do an all or nothing. Prosecutors offer deals that seem minor to the potential 300 year sentence your facing. It is abuse of power and exploitation of the system by the people within the system.

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    17. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by similar_name · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A murderer being charged for multiple murders isn't a loophole.

      It's not a loophole, it's a flaw. For several reasons. Among them;

      If the suspect is truly guilty of the charges then they should serve their time. Why are we letting criminals get away with serving so much less than they should simply because they plead guilty?

      Studies show that a great number of innocent people will plead guilty in the plea bargain process. Students were paired with actors to perform a task. They affirmed they would not cheat before the study. Since the other 'student' was an actor, it was fully known whether the person was guilty or not. Many innocent people plead guilty when they are told they can fight the charge of cheating and risk expulsion from school or plead guilty and write an essay.

      The only benefit argued by proponents of the plea bargain is that it helps speed up the judicial process for backlogged courts. I don't agree that's even a benefit. If courts are backlogged perhaps we should reassess what we criminalize and prosecute rather than speeding up the conviction process.

    18. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by kermidge · · Score: 2

      Just a reminder, one does not prove one's innocence under US law, even if possible to do so. One strives to prevent conviction by establishing sufficient reasonable doubt of guilt.

    19. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Defendants routinely claim that a) they didn't do it, b) they were intoxicated when doing it and c) it was an accident.

      I don't think people claim intoxication as a defense much anymore. But that's beside the point.

      Defendants routinely simply refute every statement made against them. That doesn't necessarily imply a contraction.

      In any case that's not quite the right characterization.

      It's more like the prosecution will charge:

      You were there.
      You stabbed him.
      You intended to kill him.

      And the defense counters:
      He wasn't there.
      He didn't stab him.
      He didn't intend to kill him.

      And now the prosecution has to attempt to prove each of his claims. But the defense's statement that "He didn't intend to kill him", isn't tacit admission that he was there and that he did stab him. Its just refuting the claim that he intended to kill him. That's it.

      In other cases, the contradiction are more about the specific legal definitions. If you accidently run over a child with your car...

      the prosecution might charge you with first degree murder.

      You can say I didn't commit murder. I didn't intend to run him over. It was an accident.

      Again the claims again don't contradict each other at all. You aren't claiming that you didn't kill the child, you aren't even claiming you didn't run him over. For a conviction of 1st degree murder, the prosecution has to show (amongst other things) intent. So in this case the defense is arguing there was no intent.

      In a similar vein... if someone falls off your boat and disappears, you might again be charged with first degree murder.

      And this time you might claim:
      We don't know he's dead. I didn't intend to kill him. It was an accident.

      Meaning that
      a) yes he fell off your boat, but you were close to shore, there is no body, and no certainty he's dead. You can't be convicted of murder if the prosecution can't convince the jury that the guy actually died.

      b) yes he fell off the boat, but there was no intent to kill him.

      c) In fact, there was no intent to even knock him out of the boat, it was an accident.

      The geek in you winces that these can not all be true

      Only because you mischaracterized what is actually said, for something slightly different. I mean, otherwise the jury just tears it to shreds. If the defendant ever took the stand and actually said "a) they didn't do it, b) they were intoxicated when doing it and c) it was an accident." The trial would be over.

      That may be the structure of the defense, to challenge everything the prosecution has claimed, but that's not at all how you characterized it.

    20. Re: New strategy in criminal law? by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This reasoning has never sat well with me, it's common knowledge the mobsters were in bed with the newly formed FBI during prohibition and had many high ranking "friends" throughout the judicial system for decades. A more likely explanation for the failure to convict is that the non-stick mobsters had their hands up the arse of the court, Sicily has a long history of the same problem. Mobsters don't adhere to the principle of a fair trial and will only come unstuck when they are confronted with an authority they can not intimidate (eg: the IRS). If you want to see a more extreme example of mobsters usurping authority, look no further than the drug lords of Mexico.

      At the end of the day, one of the fundamental principles of western law is that it is better to allow the guilty to keep their freedom than it is to deny freedom to the innocent. This of course assumes all trials are fair trials (to both sides).

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    21. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Dantoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pleading "not guilty" is a "plea" to charges laid and read. It is not a statement of facts. It is a formal notification that you are going to make a case for consideration by the Court. On some charges, in a number of jurisdictions, you are not even allowed to plea other than "not guilty". Pleading is not and cannot be either a truth or lie.

      So, when did he lie?

    22. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Weasel word it all you want. It was a lie. He committed a crime and then said that he was not guilty of the crime that he committed. You're not very sharp, are you?

    23. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 2

      Re: I don't know much about him or if he deserves his conviction or not but that seems like a flaw in the justice system that should be fixed.

            Fucked up legal system takes away the judging power from the judiciary.

            It's not so much a flaw but instead a way for those in power to maintain their consolidated hold on power. This discretionary power held by the Attorneys General (of the States of our United States of America and of the Federal Districts of these United States) on whether or not to charge individuals and with what charges to pound them into submission is monstrously overwhelming firepower: it's the use of nuclear bombs to swat a mosquito. It's not so much a flaw as it a specific design feature: it's meant to be that way because it was designed that way.

              It's the same as the silly hammer of "minimum required sentencing guidelines" (guidelines? how are they guidelines if they're forced upon you as a minimum???) forced upon the federal judiciary for certain types of crimes:

      These are called mandatory minimum sentences: - A mandatory sentence is a court decision setting where judicial discretion is limited by law. Typically, people convicted of certain crimes must be punished with at least a minimum number of years in prison.

              So now with the judicial branch tied off because judicial discretion is limited by law, the enormous power of the judiciary is funneled into the hands of the prosecutors, those Attorneys General aforementioned, and into the hands of the police who also have leeway and discretion in deciding whether to detain / pick up / arrest the people whom they run into or decide to actively look for or to actively avoid looking for.

      Fucked up legal system takes away the judging power from the judiciary. As someone else mentions in this article, "It is abuse of power and exploitation of the system by the people within the system."

    24. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by Chas · · Score: 2

      Again,

      Jeremy is INTIMATELY familiar with this particular law. Having broke the same exact law, in the same exact way, and getting 2 years in jail for it about 5 years ago.
      Hell, he even started these shenanigans WHILE HE WAS ON PAROLE!

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      THANK GOD!!!
    25. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by GoogleShill · · Score: 2

      If the suspect is truly guilty of the charges then they should serve their time. Why are we letting criminals get away with serving so much less than they should simply because they plead guilty?

      Now define the duration of "their time".

      Hammond has spent 15 months in jail already, and will probably get a "time served" sentence, or maybe a little more. If the judge is feeling like being a real dick, he might give him 5-8 years.

      So, if the "time" is 10 years for a crime, why on earth should a prosecutor have the ability to stack up charges such that he might spend the rest of his life in jail? Is wasting a week of the court's time worth the rest of someone's life? This is plain and simply abuse of the system by prosecutors.

      My semi-related opinion: Prison is a terrible waste of taxpayer money and should only be used to keep dangerous people off the street. There plenty of ways to punish people without locking them up.

    26. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by similar_name · · Score: 2

      I think we agree then. Plea bargains are a bad idea. Either they reduce valid charges or they use ridiculous charges to pressure someone into pleading guilty. Either way, no one wins.

    27. Re:New strategy in criminal law? by kermidge · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the compliment. I intended for them to be accurate words.

      You're right to the extent that once in the system your goal is to get out of it. If you can show by whatever means that you did not do or could not have done what you've been arrested for or are later charged with doing then you're out. Usually.

      Once you've been convicted and imprisoned even at a county-jail level, if you can show that you did not or could not have committed the crime then there is no guarantee of release. When things do work properly it can still take years to be released. Generally the system would rather keep an "innocent" man in jail than admit it made a mistake.

      Finally, freedom once re-gained, even if you manage to have records expunged, the simple truth is that "once in the system, always in the system". No matter how rich you are or however well connected there will remain at least some physical or electronic scraps as well as the memories of some cop, prosecutor, judge.

      Once you've been processed, no matter who you are, in the eyes of the system you are tainted. Even if you've never had so much as a parking ticket before there will always be the question in a cop's mind, "What's he hiding?" or, "Well, maybe he didn't do this one, but what has he done?"

      Again, you may be able to prove that you "didn't do it" but you can never prove that you are innocent. Even though you and I understand the word to mean just that, in the eyes of the system you are just "not guilty" - this time.

      It might be helpful to understand this one simple truth: once you've been handcuffed -ever- you are from then on and forever fair game.

  2. Lies? by moonwatcher2001 · · Score: 3

    " the government claimed that there were eight other outstanding indictments against me from jurisdictions scattered throughout the country"

    How can they claim this without giving the person a list?

    1. Re:Lies? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because Habeus Corpus is dead. Murdered in an attempt to "be tough on crime." I think these convictions will do very little to deter other anonymous splinter groups.

      Reminder that what this guy leaked that he's being prosecuted for: The company stratfor was using their government sponsored spying program to also spy on companies in order to provide Goldman Sachs with insider information through a foreign owned subsidiary, in order to dodge US insider trading laws.

      Then the government arrests him, and not them.

  3. lulzsec is not the good guys by D1G1T · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The more I read about what these guys were doing--and I mean the stuff they've admitted to, not just been accused of--the more I think they are getting what they deserve. Breaking into someone's network to get at information that the public should know is political. Breaking into someones network and racking up charges on personal credit card numbers is criminal. They're like the idiots that smash store windows during street protests.

    1. Re:lulzsec is not the good guys by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Interesting
    2. Re:lulzsec is not the good guys by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Good guy" and "bad guy" status is not as mutually exclusive as you might think. The "idiots that smash store windows during street protests" sometimes organize to do something more productive, things you'd consider to be more "political."

      The Boston Tea party: Some hooligans in the US in Boston dressed up as native Americans and dumped the tea cargo into the harbor. That was vandalism. It wasn't to protest just one thing either, there were multiple issues the protesters were upset about. I suspect that were something similar to happen today, Fox would give them the same treatment they gave the occupy wall street movement. "It's vandalism! And what are they even upset ABOUT? They can't even tell us that (at least not in few enough words to fit on a bumper sticker.)"

      Anyway, they can be thieves and window smashers and still have valid political motivations. And what they've done is illegal no matter what their motivations.

    3. Re:lulzsec is not the good guys by Infernal+Device · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not seeing anything on their page that is, on the face of it, illegal. Certainly, they seem to be getting near the edge of the law, but if they don't cross the line, there's nothing there.

      They may be immoral, but the moment you start legislating morality, you open up a can of worms that can't be unopened.

      Stratfor may be kind of dumb in some areas, but that doesn't make them a bad company.

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    4. Re:lulzsec is not the good guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but the moment you start legislating morality

      We already do: murder, rape, theft, and other such things are illegal. They likely wouldn't be if most people had no problems with them (if we even had a society in such circumstances).

    5. Re:lulzsec is not the good guys by Cigarra · · Score: 2

      They may be immoral, but the moment you start legislating morality, you open up a can of worms that can't be unopened.

      What are you talking about? Law is nothing but codified morals.

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    6. Re:lulzsec is not the good guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Declaration of Independence?

      I think you missed the point. The rules you follow in social life are based on morals as defined by your cultural background, evolved over centuries of social interaction. The rights you cite are valid in places that do not care about the Declaration of Independence. The laws we follow are codified morals.

    7. Re:lulzsec is not the good guys by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      Murder, rape, and theft all violate the rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence

      And you don't think that the authors and signers of the Declaration of Independence put them there believing they were immoral?

  4. Not at all like Swartz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlike the LulzSec crew, Swartz was not politically motivated and did not do anything "black hat". Comparing the two sets of CFAA charges are like comparing someone who got a speeding ticket to someone who got a DUI, since they're both moving violations.

  5. One side of the story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I do have to point out that his statement is rather blatently self-justification and self-serving. Yes, indeed, he sounds like a sweet-well intentioned innocent, and the evil government is the villain, when he tells the story.

    1. Re:One side of the story... by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, there is certainly some self-serving element. I think he's probably guilty of something as well.

      However, consider if you actually felt that you were innocent, and I don't mean "activist innocent", I mean you didn't actually do anything illegal. If the government decided that they wanted you in jail, they'd just have to start stacking charges on you and get you up to 30 years or so. Then you have to decide if you can win or not, charge by charge, AND you have to decide if you can pay for it.

      The problem is, it is *way* too easy for the government to use this tactic, and tactic is what it is. It is tantamount to forcing a plea of guilty despite the fact that prosecutors are not sure that they could win the case. Instead of the search for truth, it becomes bullying of the worst form.

      All I can say is: think twice about doing anything where you will end up on the wrong side of an Assistant US Attorney. Their job is to convict you, and they will not hesitate to use overkill to do it.

      And for the rest of us.... think about how to make this go away. It is an understatement to say that it won't be easy to do, but in an age of increasing Federal presence, it is critical that these processes are firmly under control or there will be serious trouble going forward.

    2. Re:One side of the story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      If an activist is committing some form of civil disobedience. Then it is in their interest to demonstrate to the public that it is a problem by fighting it in court to the best of their abilities.

      This guy is just in trouble and wants off easy. Not saying he may not have some ideas that are good but he's outside of my scope. I'm uninterested in how he thinks he's going to do anyone or himself any good.

      I would not compare him t Aaron Swartz.

    3. Re:One side of the story... by Chas · · Score: 2

      Ah. FUD!

      If da gub-mint wants to put ya in jail, you is goin' ta jail! They gonna fight dirty!

      Yes! The Evil Military Industrial Complex Will Punish You! FNORD!

      This isn't about some fantasy of an innocent guy framed by The Man here. This is a scumbag, repeat-offending CRIMINAL who got caught because he couldn't NOT brag about how "elite" he was.

      Jeremy DOES "feel innocent". Because in Jeremy's World, Jeremy does no wrong. Jeremy is "misunderstood". Jeremy knows better than anyone else. Because only Jeremy has a heart and a brain. What's wrong with theft and vandalism? Everyone (except Jeremy of course) should be living in exactly identical block-houses eating exactly the same food and giving up the whole of the fruits of their labor to Jeremy so he can "more fairly" redistribute it.

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  6. Question by Sparticus789 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder when Stratfor is going to be prosecuted for engaging in corporate espionage? Never, because most Fortune 500 companies and government intelligence agencies rely on this private corporation to know what is going on in the world. Can we say "too big to fail?"

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  8. Most disturbing; buffered charges by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, inflating charges is one thing, but I guess I have a much bigger problem with the idea that the government can buffer some of the inflated charges for later and keep you in a state of permanently accused and tried. I've heard of this for serial killers, where they only bring 1/2 of the cases in one block in case they don't get the conviction or the convict is released at a later date. I have no clue how you address this, but it sounds like a horrible precedent. A really unscrupulous DA could trickle out charges one at a time and keep you in court for life for all kinds of offenses.

    Slightly OT, but I just watched a movie called American Violet about disreputable DAs in Texas who were piling on charges with sometimes innocent poor people, getting them to plead out under the threat of YEARS in prison, then collecting money from the Feds for successful drug convictions.

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  9. Re:And Bill Ayers have never been jailed by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2

    If that's the case you would think someone would do their best to stay off the radar. Not in their sights.

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  10. Relieved by Iniamyen · · Score: 2

    I briefly conflated "Jeremy" and "Hammond" to mean two of the Top Gear presenters, and I almost had a heart attack. I really need to stop watching that show...

  11. What I'd like to know is when will... by 3seas · · Score: 2

    ... there be laws against fabricating problems for profit that otherwise would not exist?

    Exposing such should not be criminal, but honored and rewarded.

  12. Plea bullying by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As others have said, if a lot of the charges were indeed bogus, a defense attorney should have been able to get them thrown out.

    If they are bogus they should not be there in the first place, according to a thousand years of western law it is not ok to throw "bogus" legal obstacles and distractions at the (presumed innocent) defendant.

    A significant part of the problem is that (US) prosecutors are judged by the number of convictions they obtain rather than the quality of the charges they lay. When implemented this becomes pile up 10 charges, plea bargain guilty for one, bingo another brownie point on the prosecutors score card, collect enough points and you are moved up a rung on the judicial career ladder..

    The US simply takes plea bargaining to the extreme and turns it into plea bulling, in the same way Fred Phelps takes free speech to the extreme and turns it into harassment. Other nations seem to be able to (largely) avoid plea bullying whilst still leaving the option of a plea bargain open to the defendant.

    US law is firmly rooted in English common law and yet a random person in the UK (or indeed all of the EU) is ~7X less likely to be incarcerated, and the figures don't look that much better when comparing the US to China. The main reason for the imbalance is that the US has 500K prisoners from the drug war alone, the EU with nearly twice the population has a total of 600K prisoners for ALL crimes.

    There is no sane explanation for these glaring differences other than "culture".

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  13. Not Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It turns out that you just can't fix stupid.

    There are simply some people who think of themselves as Robin Hoods and think they are justified in any crimes they commit... and when they think they are "right" and "justified" they then see no reason to hide from potential friends/followers/supporters. The masks they wear (in this case, internet names) are only intended to protect their identity from the authorities, whom they presume are dumber than they, their friends, and their supporters are. It's a poor form of narcissism. Luckily, most criminals are stupid and eventually screw-up while presuming themselves superior.