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DOJ Fights To Bury Court Ruling On Government Surveillance
coolnumbr12 writes with this IBTimes excerpt: "The Justice Department may soon be forced to reveal a classified document that details unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens. The Justice Department has fought to keep the document secret for about a year, but a recent court order demands that they respond to a formal request filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation by next week, June 7, 2013."
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That didn't take long. Anybody got a copy to post?
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The justification for "classifying" information is pretty much lost on people working in government these days. Keep up the good work, EFF! This classification of government crimes against the constitution nonsense has to stop.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
This is the same DOJ that's having Eric Holder investigate the crimes of... Eric Holder.
Sometimes I'm amazed at how much blatantly fucked, unconstitutional shit these assclowns manage to get away with... then I remember: bread and circuses.
Fuck.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
I'm having no problem bringing up the article...
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Here is the court order:
https://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/052413-eff.pdf
One possible "response" they could provide is "piss off".
You'll also note the Rule 7(i) Security Clearance information proviso for the EFF counsel; so even if they get to see the information, it doesn't meant that you get to see the information, or that they can subsequently re-disclose.
in 3...2...1...here it comes...
"President Mr. Transparency Obama today invoked the National Security Act of 1947 to issue an Executive Order applying prior restraint on disclosure of any and all FISC rulings and decisions."
Betcha a six pack of your favorite it happens.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
National security. Nothing to see here.
--DOJ
If only we had another department. A department that could bring justice to these rogue agencies. We could even have a separate one for each agency. For DoJ, We'd call it "The department of justice justice department". Of course it would only be a matter of time before it became corrupt. That's why it would be overseen by a department of justice justice department justice department. And after that? The Department of Turtles, which is all the way downtown.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
. . . "audit", with "extreme prejudice" . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
That document will just be redacted to hell, even if they release it.
What's to stop them from lying like Holder apparently did. Just editing out tons of stuff. It's not like they're worried about going to jail.
I am not being cynical.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/05/28/eric-holder-under-investigation-by-house-judiciary-committee-for-possibly-lying-under-oath/
We have a serious problem with the integrity of the justice system. It's mainly because of worries about national security. Those worries go directly to a part of the minds of the individuals involved, the decision makers, and interact with inchoate, unconscious, individually-derived, unexamined, unspoken, irrational fears of death, chaos, disorder and loss of control.
What we're getting from this is a lot of law breaking and attempted law breaking on the part of the authorities who are basing decisions on the contents of their own personal unconscious .
Essentially everything, every breach of secrecy, every challenge to the ways and means they've decided upon, in some cases every utterance and especially anyone displaying an attitude of contempt for America is processed as some sort of potential disaster of absolute and unrecoverable proportions and justifies every kind of abuse .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesselyn_Radack#cite_note-Dark_Side.2C_p.97-22
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/05/29/imprisoned-cia-torture-whistleblower-john-kiriakou-pens-letter-from-loretto/
9-11 made us lose perspective of a lot of things we need to keep perspective on in order to achieve real security and also to maintain our way of life, e.g. democracy.
One of those things is the fact that people may hate us for perfectly reasonable causes from their perspective because war involves the injection of unfairness by Bad People followed by an attempt to reduce, mitigate and unfortunately redistribute that unfairness. That's the morality of drones. As soon as the extremists in Waziristan decide someone's going to die, our job is to make that dying redistribute to them and unfortunately those close to them, but in any event it's not going to be their intended target. The morality of it is, we didn't decide anyone has to die in the first place- they did.
We have to consciously and collectively decide what we're wiling to put up in terms of terrorism in order to sustain our way of life . We aren't doing that.
The answer can't be "nothing ever gets through" because no one can promise that anyways and only the total corruption of our government lies down that road.
Maybe one day their will be a DIY doomsday technology. When that day comes, and I think it will, we will have to have worked out a way for us to keep ourselves free and keep ourselves safe. In order to have achieved that, we have to start talking publicly about tradeoffs between security and freedom, gotten the unconscious, hysterical motivations out of the collective closet, created a means to know what needs to be known and a means to deliberately not know what doesn't need to be known.
The government is hysterical. More precisely, the people in the government are so afraid of making a mistake , not having turned over the right rock, that they're breaking the law.
I have to add that the insane, vituperative politics which treats every potential national security error as a form of treason plays into this too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/pete-santilli-secret-service_n_3312564.html
No one wants to lose
I would expect that the EFF will get nothing, or if something, a highly redacted version.
The court will only have any effect as long as the government keeps coming to the court. The court is unlikely to provide a strong disincentive for the government coming to the court by providing the full decision.
After all, its job is not to rat out the government, it is to tell the government what not to do.
This could impact national security. It could inform those who would attempt to do us harm about which communications are being monitored and potentially how.
But, this is America. I want privacy and freedom over security.
A man name Franklin once said:
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”
I realize that privacy isn't a right under the Constitution, explicitly (defining privacy and boundaries).
But the 4th Amendment to the Constitution does a pretty good job and is pretty clear when it comes to the government (Facebook is another story):
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
A judge has opined that there have been breaches of the Constitution. We the People, deserve to see the document in question.
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Was the name supposed to be Orwellian or did that come later?
Because there are no consequences for ignoring such an order, and our government officials are never held accountable for criminal acts while in office, they will simply just ignore this order like they have ignored the last several.
Holder is THE enemy combatant and needs to be rendered to a torture cell in Syria, then sent to a suite at GITMO for infinite detainment.
And when he is the sole inmate throw away key and carpet bomb to whole thing to hell. :)
Or what? The judge can't throw the department of Justice in jail. At best it's the GW Bush's Whitehouse leaks all over again: Some minor clerk takes the blame and everyone tells the same lies as before.
So you want to join the Tea Party.
They want to shrink the government. Stop making deals.
Thus they are the primary targets.
Stop spending MY money!
- After 9/11 my motto: they can kill us here or we can kill them there, I vote there.
The document will mysteriously disappear in the event they fail to block its release...