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NSA Building $860 Million Data Center In Maryland

1sockchuck writes "As its current data collection makes headlines, the National Security Agency is continuing to expand its data storage and processing capabilities. The agency recently broke ground on an $860 million data center at Fort Meade, Maryland that will span more than 600,000 square feet. The project will provide additional IT capacity beyond the NSA's controversial Utah data center. The new facility will be supported by 60 megawatts of power and use both air-cooled and liquid-cooled equipment."

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  1. Re:All that processing power by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pfft. We all know you're a double agent, Anonymous Coward. How else can you explain your schizophrenic posting history?!

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  2. When's Google moving in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    When is Google going to announce that it's also building a new data center in Fort Meade, Maryland? The NSA and Google data centers tend to be built in pairs.

  3. sequester jester by OffTheLip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cry me a river. Regardless of how much lip service is given to the current fiscal pain the gov is shouldering there is always a revenue source for pet projects and nothing returned to their source of funds (us taxpayers).

  4. Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I won't have to go through the trouble of backing up any of my e-mail!

  5. Fixing the problem by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's become clear that the federal government no longer serves the interests of the people.

    Does anyone have suggestions for fixing the problem?

    Whenever some "government done did wrong again" article comes up, the comments are all non-constructive: blithe unconcern, fatalism, pessimism, and so on.

    What constructive actions can be taken, and how can the people be encouraged to support these actions?

    My one idea: If people could band together and agree to vote out the incumbent (senator, representative, president) whenever one of these incidents crop up, there would be incentive for politicians to better serve the people in order to continue in office. This would mean giving up party loyalty and the idea of "lessor of two evils", which a lot of people won't do. Some congressional elections are quite close, so 2,000 or so petitioners might be enough to swing a future election.

    (And no, replies of "you won't accomplish anything because of this reason" are not constructive.)

    1. Re:Fixing the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tor, I2dP and the likes. Let's build a new common internet over the internet. Full strong anonymity and integrity.

      Transform what an eavesdropper would see in a huge cypherpunk clusterfuck.

      Taking back what's ours through technology and educated practices.

      There is no fatality, even the tools are there already. Let's go back to the 90' where the internet was a place for knowledgeable and cooperative people.

      Also die facebook.

    2. Re:Fixing the problem by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A first step might be understanding the extent towards which the government actually disagrees with the people. Are we talking about a situation where the government is enacting unpopular policies that people oppose? Or are we talking about a situation where people support the policies? Because the solutions to those two situations are very different.

      In many cases involving "national security", I think the situation is closer to the second one. "Tough on X" policies are quite popular, and politicians often pander to people by enacting them. The USA Patriot Act, for example, was hugely popular when it was passed. And in general, politicians get voted out of office more often for being not "tough" on crime and terrorism and whatever else, than for being too over-the-top in pursuing those policies.

    3. Re:Fixing the problem by nrdufour · · Score: 2

      If you go towards that road, then let's go full scale by deploying small wireless routers across the globe creating a real mesh network as internet was designed to be!

    4. Re:Fixing the problem by turp182 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Uniparty system we are under is the problem, so swaying the vote would be ineffective. The Repubs and Dems are basically the same, at least when it comes to power and surveillance. Both parties like the power. And abuse it.

        The problem is getting access to high level elections, and coalescing people on a third party. It is a difficult problem.

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    5. Re:Fixing the problem by korgitser · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My best guess:
      1) this kind of sht is morally wrong
      2) thus, working for this kind of sht is morally wrong
      3) thus, anybody who works for this kind of sht is going to hell, for whatever your value of 'hell'.
      4) you might say that 'i need the money from this gig', but
      5) anybody who works for this kind of sht is feeding their kids but is at the same time fscking over the kids' future bigtime. Your kids will not forgive you for being the AC IRL.

      From this, it should easily emerge that everybody should just stop working for this sht. No workers, no NSA. There needs to emerge a culture and a movement to encourage it. Shame the spineless coward who works for the Man! Shun him or tell him what he does is evil and his country hates him for it. Spread the word!
      You, everybody, personally, need to work to push this through. By this time and age it should be obvious that the Man is the real terrorist. Your democratic functions have long since ceased to return value, hoping for change in elections will not do. It will require significant effort from each and every american to repeal this next age of slavery.

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    6. Re:Fixing the problem by Mansing · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Vote them out AND remove their lifetime, taxpayer-funded, free health care.

      See how fast the health care system gets fixed.

    7. Re:Fixing the problem by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's become clear that the federal government no longer serves the interests of the people.

      Does anyone have suggestions for fixing the problem?

      Whenever some "government done did wrong again" article comes up, the comments are all non-constructive: blithe unconcern, fatalism, pessimism, and so on.

      What constructive actions can be taken, and how can the people be encouraged to support these actions?

      My one idea: If people could band together and agree to vote out the incumbent (senator, representative, president) whenever one of these incidents crop up, there would be incentive for politicians to better serve the people in order to continue in office. This would mean giving up party loyalty and the idea of "lessor of two evils", which a lot of people won't do. Some congressional elections are quite close, so 2,000 or so petitioners might be enough to swing a future election.

      (And no, replies of "you won't accomplish anything because of this reason" are not constructive.)

      From what I've seen, local politicians are mostly OK. They may be corrupt, but practicality doesn't get pushed aside by blind partisanship. Moving up to the state level, it's less so, especially recently in my own home state. But since the name recognition for reaching state office generally comes from having first participated at local levels, we could start turning this thing around by considering more carefully the records of those we "promote" to that level. I've seen too many regional/statewide campagins where the reason for voting for the other guy is that "So-and-so is Too Liberal" or "Such-and-such has strong Conservative values". Forget all this Liberal/Conservative, Republican/Democrat, Us/Them crap. Look beyond the narrow issues and the one-size-fits-all solutions and don't vote for the person who reaffirms your strongest prejudices, vote for the person most likely to do actual practical good.

      Vote 1-strike-and-you're out. If the person you elect ends up doing the same old thing as everyone else has been doing, vote for someone else next time, even if it's not the ideal person. Even if the other guy makes your skin crawl. One bad choice only makes a difference if all the choices are the same bad choice. That's why we have groups of legislators. Make them all fear for their jobs, because no matter how much you spend on a campaign, if the people don't vote for you, it's no good.

      And do it again for the next level up, all the way to the top. We need to stop voting our emotions and vote with our brains. We need to move beyond the same old solutions-that-can't-solve, and it doesn't matter whether the reason they failed was actual flaws in the solution or simply that the solution requires an unrealistic set of circumstances (such as zero opposition) to work.

      In the end, we always get the government we deserve, but I'd like to think we deserve better than what we've got.

    8. Re:Fixing the problem by divisionbyzero · · Score: 2

      It's become clear that the federal government no longer serves the interests of the people.

      Does anyone have suggestions for fixing the problem?

      Whenever some "government done did wrong again" article comes up, the comments are all non-constructive: blithe unconcern, fatalism, pessimism, and so on.

      What constructive actions can be taken, and how can the people be encouraged to support these actions?

      My one idea: If people could band together and agree to vote out the incumbent (senator, representative, president) whenever one of these incidents crop up, there would be incentive for politicians to better serve the people in order to continue in office. This would mean giving up party loyalty and the idea of "lessor of two evils", which a lot of people won't do. Some congressional elections are quite close, so 2,000 or so petitioners might be enough to swing a future election.

      (And no, replies of "you won't accomplish anything because of this reason" are not constructive.)

      Eliminate the two party duopoly by voting for a third-party candidate.

    9. Re:Fixing the problem by thoth · · Score: 2

      I think there's an assumption there which is false, that being: 0) everybody working at NSA is fully devoted to working on stuff you think is questionable.

      There are a ton of people there in the military, that are linguists, and probably are military linguists spending their time translating intercepts and locating foreign military targets. You know, "sht" that actually does protect the country should it come to war somewhere. Beating the terrorist drum probably just gets Congress off their back as far as funding (which if you think about it is actually the fault of Congress) for the stuff too boring to describe. This stuff in the papers, yeah probably the vast majority of people there aren't remotely close to touching any part of it.

    10. Re:Fixing the problem by thoth · · Score: 2

      (And no, replies of "you won't accomplish anything because of this reason" are not constructive.)

      You're asking for the impossible, there are simply too many issues a modern superpower has to deal with to make EVERYBODY happy. What you propose, voting out the incumbent, boils down to direct democracy where whoever shouts the loudest over the issue they are most passionate about, gets heard.

      I mean that's one way to do it, but you won't make any progress excluding politicians for not holding the single viewpoint you find important. 50 other citizens are going to care about 50 other things that aren't even on your list.

      I for one don't give a crap if the phone company hands over my metadata. Hell, maybe the NSA can check my billing records to find out if I've been overcharged or being ripped off and charge the phone company back on my behalf. On the other hand I'm more interested in infrastructure issues, lightening up on the drug sentencing (small amounts of pot, etc.), the incestuous relationship between big corporations, wall street, and lawmakers, etc. I only have so much time in the day and if I'm choosing some hill to martyr on, phone company metadata isn't even going to be in the top 20 things I give a flying crap about.

  6. Re:The real question is... by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Funny

    Given advances in technology, LOC is no longer a clear, effective or sufficient unit of measurement. I propose we move instead to fractions of an NSA data center. Of course, the fraction would approach 1 as one gets near the capacity of the whole internet and all current communications, so it would always be useful.

  7. Re:Come on american patriots by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Informative

    I assume you must be either a failing agent provocateur or a nitwit.

    Benjamin Franklin said Americans had a republic, if they could keep it.

    This is the time work on keeping it by:
    - Letters to congress put in the post box
    - Voting for a change of representation at the ballot box
    - Some time on the soap box.
    - Some government employees sitting in front of the jury box.

    Suggested topics:
    - IRS suppression of legitimate peaceful political opposition groups
    - IRS suppression of legitimate peaceful religous groups
    - Possible involvement by the FBI, EPA, and OSHA in the above
    - IRS seizure of 60,000,000 medical records they are not entitled to in breach of the 4th Amendment
    - Unprecedented Justice Department investigation of reporters
    - Stonewalling by government officials before congress and refusing to turn over documents
    - Attempts by the administration to disarm the public by outlawing weapons seldom used to commit crimes - semiautomatic rifles
    - The very wide dragnet by the NSA when considered with the above

    Slashdot has had stories on much of that recently. Search for IRS, or AP, etc.

    It is legitimate for the NSA to monitor people in direct communication with terrorist groups, and other terrorists*. But this, considered in light of the above is cause for concern. Congress better be doing some good oversight.

    * Genuine terrorists trying to bomb, shoot, poison or otherwise kill innocent people, typically in large numbers, with a very broad understanding of innocent.

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  8. Re:Come on american patriots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No matter what you had in mind, you would only encourage more of this sort of thing.

    The problem is much, much larger than a data center. It isn't even confined to the federal government. The problem is a complacent populace, which includes me and you, unless you're actually outraged enough to take some time off work and protest. I know I can't afford that shit.

    And that's the real problem. We're geeks who generally care about stuff like privacy, whereas the general populace is on Facebook. But even we're not getting off our asses to do anything. Hell, even here, Richard Stallman and Julian Assange are more often than not ridiculed and slandered.

  9. Re:but no unemployment for displaced workers by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unemployed workers have no lobbyists. The security industry does.

  10. Re:$860 Million by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "logging machine"...

    On the contrary, the NSA has some great minds working for them, and they are probably doing some very interesting and useful analysis with all that data. The problem is, what great minds create, can be misused by others.

    All this power is supposed to be used to catch terrorists. But now that this database is out in the open, a lot of other folks will find reasons why they must also have access to it.

    Think of a simple police detective at the scene of a murder interviewing potential witnesses and suspects. He could immediately get a topology drawn of who knows who, and which ones have been chatting a lot with each other. Usually the poor policeman needs to do a lot of grunt and foot work to map this out. And get warrants for phone records. This would really help his investigation a lot.

    But do we really want data collected this way to be used that way . . . ? What will prevent a slippery slide of more and more agencies and organizations getting access to this data for their own purposes . . . ? Can the DEA escalate their war on drugs to also be a matter of national security? This info could also help the IRS track down money launderers as well . . . how about the IRS . . . ?

    Now that the government has this "Critical Tool" at their disposal, the more important question is not how can it be used, but how it should not be used.

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  11. Re:Come on american patriots by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    The problem is a complacent populace, which includes me and you, unless you're actually outraged enough to take some time off work and protest. I know I can't afford that shit. . . . But even we're not getting off our asses to do anything.

    Stay on your butt and write letters to your representatives, or call, although I understand letters are better. Do that often. That gets their attention. They will probably never see you holding a protest sign.

    Be polite. Be professional. Be clear.

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  12. Re:And so it begins... by cold+fjord · · Score: 2
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  13. Where does the money come from? by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought that the US was in debt so far that they're defaulting on the bonds they sold to China? And the government has 860 million to throw around just to find out where their citizens are eating lunch?

    It's amazing that this data centre is worth more to the US government that financial liquidity.

    1. Re:Where does the money come from? by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      The thing to remember about people freaking out about the deficit is that they don't give a damn about the deficit.

      What they're concerned about is their political aims. At the moment, freaking out about the deficit serves their political aims. But the exact same people cheerfully expanded our debt from $5T to $11T during the Bush administration.

      As with all politicians, don't pay attention to what they say. Pay attention to what they do over time.

  14. Re:$860 Million by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't be a fool. Terrorism is not, and never was a threat. More people are killed by cancer every DAY than have been killed by terrorist attacks in this country in all of history. Imagine if they'd used the money from these 2 data centers for cancer research. Either their idiots or their goal has nothing to do with terrorists.

  15. electricity by zeldor · · Score: 2

    where the @#^( are they getting this much electricity? are there secret nuclear power plants on the east coast?

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  16. Re:I don't understand by PPH · · Score: 2

    They are going to consolidate all of the TOR exit nodes in one data center.

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  17. Re:Come on american patriots by flayzernax · · Score: 2

    We need to change how we elect our officials and how campaigns are funded and how people lobby. That is at the root of the issue. If you want I can come back and post a link for you to Larry Lestigs TED talk about Lester Land. Its on Elections. Its fairly easy to google. It breaks down the issue very well. Than the next step is to fix our governments regulatory agencies and make them more democratic. This has been broken since the 1700's and needs to be updated for modern issues. I am not advocating no regulations. The next step is to address these symptoms of the broke system which you have listed.

    We may need to do all of that include address your listed issues at the same time.

  18. Re:$860 Million by hoggoth · · Score: 2

    You mean the same people who just arrested a kid for giving a cop a "dehumanizing stare" and repeatedly punched a deaf women in the face for not hearing his commands are going to be able to pick a person and know everyone that person has been in contact with? What could possibly go wrong...?

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  19. Re:$860 Million by spune · · Score: 2