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Microsoft Office Finally Gets iOS App

An anonymous reader writes "After years of rumors and months of bickering with Apple over revenue splits, Microsoft has finally released an official iOS app for Office 365 subscribers, allowing people to use Word, Excel and PowerPoint on their iPhones and iPads. According to a hands-on report with the software, the Office app has basic functionality, but is missing some key productivity features. 'These include: font options, text alignment, bulleted lists and, again, more color choices, all of which you can find in, say, the Google Drive app.' They say it's a fairly useful addition for current subscribers, but certainly not enough to make it worth the Office 365 subscription fee on its own. 'We can't tell if Microsoft deliberately handicapped Office Mobile for iPhone, or if it's simply saving some features for a later update. (A company rep declined to comment on what we can expect from future versions.) We're willing to believe Microsoft still has some unfinished items on its to-do list, but even so, it's a shame that iPhone users waited this long for an Office app, only to get something with such a minimal feature set. All told, Office Mobile represents a good enough start for Microsoft, and in some ways it's better than Google Drive, particularly where spreadsheets are concerned. Still, it's miles behind other office apps for iOS, including Apple iWork.'"

139 comments

  1. terminal server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats why bill gates invented terminal server

    1. Re:terminal server by GoogleShill · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Hah, you must mean Citrix, right?

      Not that it was "invented" by either of them, but Citrix added terminal server capabilities to NT 3.51, then Microsoft screwed them by putting in their own "terminal server" into NT 4.0, giving Citrix only the small market that needed extremely low bandwidth.

  2. No iPad app by mystikkman · · Score: 0

    Microsoft has finally released an official iOS app for Office 365 subscribers, allowing people to use Word, Excel and PowerPoint on their iPhones and iPads.

    There's no iPad app so that MS doesn't have to Apple 30% for every purchase for full featured Office.
    Also so that they can run ads like these:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86JMcy5OqZA#ysav

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UGxKX6IU1U

    1. Re:No iPad app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      They could easily release an iPad app without paying Apple the 30% - they just make the app require an Office 365 account. Done. Sign up for the account online, go back to the app, done.

      They only have to pay Apple the 30% _IF_ users can sign up for the account _IN_ the app. If they do so via a web browser, on their own, it allows the developer to avoid the 30% cut to Apple.

      Please do try to understand how the process works before offering your opinion on it.

    2. Re:No iPad app by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't get this. When I buy a copy of MS Office at Best Buy, they get a little cut, and so does the supplier that Best Buy purchases from. I'm not sure what the usual split is between Microsoft, the supplier and the retailer, but I'm sure it's not that far off from 30%. I don't see why it should work any different if I set up a software store that only sells licenses and not disks.

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    3. Re:No iPad app by hsmith · · Score: 1

      From my understanding signing up within the App isn't an issue as well. The question is, can the user use the App at all without paying?

      I have a mobile App that has our own private "cloud" storage. The user can use the App to their hearts desire. But, if they want our "cloud" they must subscribe via our Web portal.

      But, if they don't care about that - they can use the App indefinitely. I don't think there is a steadfast rule to it, all Apple seems to care about is if the App can be used (functional). Where, Netflix as an example fails at that end, because you can't use the App without having a paid Netflix account.

    4. Re:No iPad app by tripleevenfall · · Score: 0

      So basically, the market penetration on this will be zero, because Office 365

    5. Re:No iPad app by tripleevenfall · · Score: 0

      (Yao Ming laughing face meme)

    6. Re:No iPad app by phobos512 · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure MS makes their money when Best Buy gets the product from them (also not sure that there's a middle-man supplier to Best Buy but if there is, wow is that crappy supply chain management).

    7. Re:No iPad app by hsmith · · Score: 1

      People like to complain. The whole sale price of Office to Best Buy or the like is more than a 30% discount from what Best Buy sells it at.

    8. Re:No iPad app by mystikkman · · Score: 4, Informative

      So basically, the market penetration on this will be zero, because Office 365

      Meanwhile, in reality: One million subscriptions in 3.5 months.

    9. Re:No iPad app by mystikkman · · Score: 0

      Go back to reddit or 4chan where 12 year olds hang out and such lame image macro memes prevail and leave Slashdot for the adults.

    10. Re:No iPad app by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The question is, can the user use the App at all without paying?

      That's up to the App developer isn't it? Here are the ways Apple will take their cut: 1) 30% of price of app and 2) 30% of subscriptions generated within app. If MS charges nothing for the app and if all subscriptions are created externally (through microsoft.com), Apple can't charge.

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    11. Re:No iPad app by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      But there are a lot of retailers and etailers and there's competition around their margin.. You can buy Office at Staples, Office Depot, Walmart, Fry's, Microcenter or buy it online from a whole ton of places. With Apple, every consumer is chained only to the app store.

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    12. Re:No iPad app by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I don't get this. When I buy a copy of MS Office at Best Buy, they get a little cut, and so does the supplier that Best Buy purchases from. I'm not sure what the usual split is between Microsoft, the supplier and the retailer, but I'm sure it's not that far off from 30%. I don't see why it should work any different if I set up a software store that only sells licenses and not disks.

      because it's 30% that goes to a player that is only relevant in the transaction because they made it so that you couldn't install sw without them?

      that's what ms was/is aiming for with metro as well. in low value sw it doesn't matter as much, but buy a photoshop and then have the thought that "hmm, I just paid the price of the machine I'm using this sw on to the machine manufacturer just to run some sw from a 3rd party on this" and you might be a little peeved about it.

      really the point is that the only one and only official appstore scenario is one where there is no possible competition by retailers and is going to be more expensive than buying direct(the higher the cost the more screwed the consumer is as the transaction costs are fixed but the tax from the sw market depends on the price).

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    13. Re:No iPad app by samkass · · Score: 1

      The question is, can the user use the App at all without paying?

      That's up to the App developer isn't it? Here are the ways Apple will take their cut: 1) 30% of price of app and 2) 30% of subscriptions generated within app. If MS charges nothing for the app and if all subscriptions are created externally (through microsoft.com), Apple can't charge.

      But they can reject the app. If you're listing a "free" app that doesn't do anything (without a separate paid subscription) you will be rejected for having a useless app.

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    14. Re:No iPad app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly, though Microsoft has considerable experience at penetrating their market from behind.

    15. Re:No iPad app by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      What? That sounds ludicrous. Do you have actual examples of this or are you listing hypothetical that may or may not have happened?

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    16. Re:No iPad app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is this adult section of Slashdot? I've never seen one.

    17. Re:No iPad app by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      But they can reject the app. If you're listing a "free" app that doesn't do anything (without a separate paid subscription) you will be rejected for having a useless app.

      https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/netflix/id363590051?mt=8
      https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hulu-plus/id376510438?mt=8

    18. Re:No iPad app by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      But they can reject the app. If you're listing a "free" app that doesn't do anything (without a separate paid subscription) you will be rejected for having a useless app.

      They can do anything they want, but that's not one of them.

    19. Re:No iPad app by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      With Apple, every consumer is chained only to the app store.

      iOS users overwhelmingly like having a one-stop-shop with all the apps in. That's one of the things they chose that platform for.

      It wasn't sprung on them as a change from previous practice. Indeed before the Apple Store, the mobile app market was tiny. Apple's one-stop-shop popularised phone apps.

    20. Re:No iPad app by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

      With Apple, every consumer is chained only to the app store.

      iOS users overwhelmingly like having a one-stop-shop with all the apps in. That's one of the things they chose that platform for.

      It wasn't sprung on them as a change from previous practice. Indeed before the Apple Store, the mobile app market was tiny. Apple's one-stop-shop popularised phone apps.

      And you're pulling this data from where exactly? Your intuition?

      Is that why so millions of people fall over themselves to jailbreak the phones?

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/latest-jailbreak-statistics-jaw-dropping-154024296.html
      http://www.geek.com/apple/stats-reveal-evasi0n-ios-6-1-jailbreak-1538656/

      Looks like you're falling victim to ex post facto reasoning and attributing Stockholm syndrome to iOS users.

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    21. Re:No iPad app by mystikkman · · Score: 1

      With Apple, every consumer is chained only to the app store.

      iOS users overwhelmingly like having a one-stop-shop with all the apps in. That's one of the things they chose that platform for.

      It wasn't sprung on them as a change from previous practice. Indeed before the Apple Store, the mobile app market was tiny. Apple's one-stop-shop popularised phone apps.

      That's like saying that because lot of people are buying cactii, they must like getting poked in the ass with cactus thorns.

    22. Re:No iPad app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Apple, every consumer is chained only to the app store.

      iOS users overwhelmingly like having a one-stop-shop with all the apps in. That's one of the things they chose that platform for.

      It wasn't sprung on them as a change from previous practice. Indeed before the Apple Store, the mobile app market was tiny. Apple's one-stop-shop popularised phone apps.

      Is that why Android is outselling the crap out of iPhone 75% to 18%? Hahahahha, you Apple fans with your retarded Stockholm syndrome logic crack me up everytime.

    23. Re: No iPad app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you think price isn't a factor in those number. No wonder cheap phones sells a lot more than the expensive phones. It cracks me up you fandroids can't use common sence... Most of your users doesn't care. They just want a cheap phone for Facebook.

    24. Re: No iPad app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People hate the App Store so much that they spend orders of magnitude more money there than at all other stores combined. That's how consumer markets work, duh.

    25. Re:No iPad app by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Well my information about the market before the iPhone comes from the fact I've been a mobile developer since the 1990s. The iOS information comes from the fact that people know there's a one-stop-shop before they buy, and being in the iOS community I have a reasonable grasp on the feelings about that. Are you an iOS user?

      There's no post-facto about it. I've been a part of every moment of the smartphone industry. And the Stockholm syndrome meme is just moronic abuse of popular science; a slashdot meme. Stockholm Syndrome is a phenomenon that may be exhibited by people kept physically captive, not about something as trivial as what product platform they use.

      As to your 14 million figure, that amounts to 5% of iPhones. Which is smaller than the proportion of dedicated pirates most platforms have. So it's not doing anything to disprove my point.

    26. Re:No iPad app by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Then the original point is like saying people who are buying cactuses are disadvantaged because their plants don't need watering every day.

  3. Another nail in the PC coffin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ....allowing people to use Word, Excel and PowerPoint on their iPhones and iPads.

    Now, that's really going to hurt PC sales.

    Yeah, there will be some desktops for the cubicle drones who need to crunch the quarterly numbers, type the letters and briefs, etc .... but for the folks who are running the place and the rainmakers, this is great.

    Oh! And we're going to see laptops get hit too now.

    I have a bunch of entrepreneurs, doctors, and executive types in my family. There was one Macbook Air and the rest were iPads. An iPad does 99% of that they need.

    Desktops and laptops for the worker bees - iPads for the bosses.

    1. Re:Another nail in the PC coffin by somersault · · Score: 4, Informative

      In case you haven'y noticed, worker bees vastly outnumber "bosses". I rarely take my laptop home these days, but my tablet is also redundant for me personally at work.

      Having said that, I bought a couple of tablets for some of our "worker bees" out in the workshop. They use them for an app I wrote that lets them receive new machining tasks, and give live updates on production status from out on the floor. So tablets aren't just useful for PHBs and layabouts.

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    2. Re:Another nail in the PC coffin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in your world the majority of people are bosses (how else could this matter in any serious way)? In my world, the majority of people are the worker bees. And they all still require a normal keyboard, mouse and a screen. And they will have desktops/laptops.

    3. Re:Another nail in the PC coffin by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Nobody wants to manipulate long professional Word documents or do heavy Excel work with an iPad.

    4. Re:Another nail in the PC coffin by The+Cat · · Score: 0

      Most bosses are retarded incompetents. Give them the toys. Leave the real computers for people who do real work.

    5. Re:Another nail in the PC coffin by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      No, but they would like to reference those documents without carrying around a massive laptop with a shit battery. That's why this is a complimentary product to the Office that these users already bought.

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  4. Core Functionality .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "or if it's simply saving some features for a later update"

    Yeah, lets save bullet points for version 2, and by version 10 we'll give them some fonts to pick.
    Features and core functions..?

  5. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > missing some key productivity features. 'These include: font options, text alignment, bulleted lists

    Is it a joke?

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sounds like they ported Notepad to iOS :-)

    2. Re:What? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      From the description, it sounds like it's basically a viewer for MSOffice documents with the ability to correct text and highlight things.

  6. PRISM Sept 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Microsoft signed up to PRISM in 2007 which gives the military access to stored data. Office 365 is their ONLINE product where your data is kept online on their servers under US jurisdiction. That gives the US military access to your commercial private data.

    Go read up on the commercial spying scandals involving Echelon, and you'll see why you cannot permit your companies documents, or even your own private documents into US cloud services.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_3.html

    "There has been “continued exponential growth in tasking to Facebook and Skype,” according to the PRISM slides. With a few clicks and an affirmation that the subject is believed to be engaged in terrorism, espionage or nuclear proliferation, an analyst obtains full access to Facebook’s “extensive search and surveillance capabilities against the variety of online social networking services.”

    According to a separate “User’s Guide for PRISM Skype Collection,” that service can be monitored for audio when one end of the call is a conventional telephone and for any combination of “audio, video, chat, and file transfers” when Skype users connect by computer alone. Google’s offerings include Gmail, voice and video chat, Google Drive files, photo libraries, and live surveillance of search terms."

    1. Re:PRISM Sept 2007 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this off topic?

      A company offers a product and it is insecure. Sweden has prohibited government organizations from using Google Docs (and possibly any other cloud storage and service). This specific product saves the documents on cloud and therefore it can be discussed here,

  7. Irrelevant by geirlk · · Score: 0

    There's an Irrelephant in the room.

  8. what a waste of time by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    You can barely type on most tablets. Why make a typing program (Word)? Then you can't use it unless you're a 365 subscriber, which only people who can't do math are. Then you can't even do basic formatting that an RTF editor would let you do. Wow. Maybe this is MS secretly trying to convince people tablets are actually NOT computer replacements and Windows 9 won't be touch-friendly or ridiculously laid out. Well, I can dream at least.

    1. Re:what a waste of time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Informative

      You can barely type on most tablets.

      You can connect a bluetooth keyboard to most tablets. I ignored the remainder of your comment because it was therefore irrelevant.

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    2. Re:what a waste of time by radiumsoup · · Score: 1

      you should have read the rest - not all of it had to do with the keyboard, and it had some thoughtful points you may have found relevant.

      Book, cover, judging, etc.

    3. Re:what a waste of time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      you should have read the rest - not all of it had to do with the keyboard, and it had some thoughtful points you may have found relevant.

      What are the odds that someone who is so anti-tablet that they blocked out the fact that you can connect a bluetooth keyboard to one will have anything thoughtful or relevant to say about them? Absolutely nil.

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    4. Re:what a waste of time by phobos512 · · Score: 1

      I can type just fine on my iPad...Maybe because for a while I used one of those 10" netbooks so I'm used to typing on a smaller device? Yes, the lack of tactile feedback can be difficult to deal with at first but you get used to it. The only problem I run into is that sometimes I hit M instead of the spacebar. But that's easy enough to deal with with autocorrect/spell-check.

    5. Re:what a waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You doth protest too much, methinks. You refuse to read another post because the author jumped to a conclusion with weak evidence, and then jump to your own conclusions?

    6. Re:what a waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you're really saying here is that _you_ can't type on a tablet.

    7. Re:what a waste of time by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      If you connect a keyboard to it, its a shitty PC. Why not use a real PC?

    8. Re:what a waste of time by The+Cat · · Score: 0

      I prefer to type on a tool designed for typing: a keyboard.

      A screen is designed to display information. Not as a typing device.

      But that won't stop the retards who make mobile apps from trying to make everyone believe that a touch screen is superior to a keyboard. All it does is prove they are so busy jacking off to their mobile devices they never bothered to learn the concept of the right tool for the job.

    9. Re:what a waste of time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You doth protest too much, methinks. You refuse to read another post because the author jumped to a conclusion with weak evidence, and then jump to your own conclusions?

      I jumped to the conclusion that they would have nothing of value to say because they didn't know what they were talking about. I have since gone back and read the comment just to make you happy and learned that it gave no information not available from TFA. IOW, I was correct; OP had nothing of value to say, which I was able to ascertain from their initial ignorant statement.

      Thanks for causing me to go back and re-examine my prejudices. I discovered that they were correct. Along the way, my prejudice against anonymous cowards was also confirmed.

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    10. Re:what a waste of time by radiumsoup · · Score: 1

      and thanks for confirming that there are still people out there hell-bent on dismissing other people's beliefs and opinions simply because the beliefs don't line up with what they think the beliefs ought to be. And here I was, thinking humanity was about to step up a notch. Silly me.

    11. Re:what a waste of time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And thanks for confirming that you're just a troll, because nobody sensible would confuse what happened with whatever the fuck you're talking about.

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    12. Re:what a waste of time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you connect a keyboard to it, its a shitty PC. Why not use a real PC?

      No, it is a tablet with a keyboard. There are lots of reasons why not to use a "real" PC (as if a tablet weren't a personal computer... they are turing-complete, HTH, HAND) notably including power consumption and footprint. If the user rarely uses a keyboard, it is reasonable to omit it.

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  9. I guess PowerPoint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...IS one of those things after all.

    1. Re: I guess PowerPoint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder. Microsoft announces this a few weeks after launching a snarky add campaign about how iPads can't (among other things) use Windows apps.

      Now they draw a big circle around the reason for that was that it was possible all along, but MICROSOFT hadn't chosen to release an app.

      And now they CAN run those apps.

      Makes them look twice silly. Don't snark and then undercut yourself.

      Does Microsoft's advertising group even talk up their tech group?

  10. I don't get it... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People are going to compose documents, spreadsheets, etc. on a tablet??

    Maybe I need more coffee, can someone explain why anyone would want this?

    1. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      People are going to compose documents, spreadsheets, etc. on a tablet??

      No, not really.

      Maybe I need more coffee, can someone explain why anyone would want this?

      People want to be able to *edit* them on a tablet (last minute crap, corrections, etc). I'm hoping it's only minor edits. Of course, with the lack of proper font, alignment, bullet point and color support it may do more damage to an existing document than help it ;-)

      Tablets are generally a consumption device. Some users can use them to create content, especially when used with a keyboard, but they are by far the exceptions.

    2. Re: I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't confuse your use of tablets as "mostly a consumption device" with the fact that vast numbers of people use them to compose documents. They have a weight and size advantage, and typing (even without a Bluetooth keyboard) can be quite easy to do.

    3. Re:I don't get it... by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      Because I don't want to carry a laptop to have a shopping list that syncs between multiple people.

      I use google docs for that sort of thing all the time, when I am out and about. Instructions for tasks are another kind I frequently do.

    4. Re:I don't get it... by c · · Score: 4, Informative

      People are going to compose documents, spreadsheets, etc. on a tablet??

      Maybe I need more coffee, can someone explain why anyone would want this?

      Compose, no. Edit and update, yes.

      Done right, it's actually a crazy powerful workflow.

      Here's a trivial example... I do agility training with my dogs. I keep a spreadsheet of skills for each that I need to work on and add a check mark whenever I touch on that skill. I built it on my desktop using Google Drive, and keep a synced, offline version on my phone. Which means I can reference it and add that check mark when I'm actually training, or add a new skill to the list when I'm at class.

      Now, is a spreadsheet the right tool for this sort of thing? Maybe a dedicated Android app would be better, but Google Drive is available on every device I care to use.

      Obviously I'm assuming that this workflow is viable with whatever toolset Microsoft is offering. I have doubts that they could screw up something so simple, but lately I'm been amazed by their ability to do things exactly the least useful way.

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    5. Re:I don't get it... by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 2

      People are going to compose documents, spreadsheets, etc. on a tablet??

      Maybe I need more coffee, can someone explain why anyone would want this?

      Sure - it's for editing existing documents that need polishing.

      The use case is you are on your way to visit a client after an all-nighter. You spot a few issues that need editing, and this product has just enough functionality to let you do that. Or you're at lunch and realize a better way to say something. Whip out your phone and edit the doc.

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    6. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has the concepts of The Cloud(tm) really eluded you so easily? It's not about the heavy lifting, it's about reviewing and minor edits.
       
      And yes, I do use Apple's Numbers on my tablet and phone and it works well for what I'm using it for.

    7. Re:I don't get it... by Inda · · Score: 1

      So, on my laptop, I composed a Gsheet that detailed my crosstrainer exercise routines. Time spent, calories burned, my weight in kg, etc. A couple of graphs and some conditional formatting. I was playing with the functionality more than anything else. Gsheet looked promising.

      You're going to hate this, but I'm still using that same sheet today. I fill in the data, not on a tablet, but on my Samsung S2. It's perfect. I get off the crosstrainer, pick up my S2 (which has been sending music to my bluetooth speaker), tap the shortcut and enter data in half a dozen cells.

      Can you see a better method?

      Have some more coffee. It's good for you.

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    8. Re: I don't get it... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

      I have to agree with this.

      Tablets and phones are a docking station away from being full fledged computers to do work on. My Galaxy Note II is more powerful that the computer I had 10 years ago for gaming, less the video card. With something like Ubuntu for Andriod, or if MS didn't F up Windows 8 so bad, I could just drop it into a docking station at home or pick it up and take it to work and have a fully usable computer with a keyboard, mouse, LAN connection and multiple monitors, with the added bonus that while traveling or at sea I could use a tablet interface for minor editing, simple bug fixes when I have an wifi connection available or playing casual games in between.

    9. Re:I don't get it... by jittles · · Score: 2

      People are going to compose documents, spreadsheets, etc. on a tablet??

      No, not really.

      Maybe I need more coffee, can someone explain why anyone would want this?

      People want to be able to *edit* them on a tablet (last minute crap, corrections, etc). I'm hoping it's only minor edits. Of course, with the lack of proper font, alignment, bullet point and color support it may do more damage to an existing document than help it ;-)

      Tablets are generally a consumption device. Some users can use them to create content, especially when used with a keyboard, but they are by far the exceptions.

      I think my tablet + keyboard is great for generating content while traveling. The tablet goes on the tray table, the keyboard on my lap and all of the sudden I have room. I'm kind of a tall person, so its very hard for me to use a laptop on an airplane. I've reviewed, created, and edited documents while traveling. I've also used it to even write out some code. It just depends on what I need to do and how long I'll be traveling for.

    10. Re:I don't get it... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      I think it depends. We've been using Keynote on the iPad for over a year now. Keynote works well enough for our purposes and most of our field people are carrying iPads instead of Laptops.

      Usually they aren't the ones creating the presentations. While it's not always ideal to work on, it's can be extremely handy if you need to make last minute tweaks to a presentation. It works extremely well for that.

      Still, given the choice, most of our people would prefer powerpoint over Keynote. We've been experimenting with Office365 & SkyDrive in the office and so far their only wish has been, "If only I could make edits to a presentation on the iPad". Which you could sort of with Office365. We looked into the Surface, but the RT sucked and the Pro's are so expensive you might as well buy an ultrabook.

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    11. Re: I don't get it... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Tablets and phones are a docking station away from being full fledged computers to do work on.

      Or, as gets pointed out every time this comes up ... a $20 Bluetooth keyboard, and the case you already probably have which props it up. Pretty much every major tablet will support Bluetooth keyboards

      I've actually found with my case which props it to a decent angle, I can type fairly ok -- I wouldn't want to do my primary work on it, but it's not nearly as defective of a platform as some people seem to think. Once it's in that position, I'm essentially touch typing again, albeit a little slower.

      But I can type emails on my tablet pretty effectively. The biggest utility (for me) of a tablet is those times when you don't want to be sitting at a traditional desk/chair combo and when travelling.

      It's far easier to bring a lightweight device and get access to what I need than to drag my entire laptop -- and a tablet doesn't need to get taken out of your carry-on at the airport. My last several business trips I didn't even use my laptop, but my tablet got used several hours every evening.

      So far I haven't felt the need to buy a Bluletooth keyboard, but if I wanted one, they're easy enough to get.

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    12. Re: I don't get it... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Yep, I agree. I just brought up the docking station, because then I'd have the whole development environment setup (mostly for the dual monitors) at the places I primarily do my hardcore development (Home and work). But a Bluetooth keyboard would be sufficient in a pinch where I might be in a hotel room. It'd be really hard to make that work on a ship at sea, too much rocking. There are tethers for chairs in the galley, my last trip out I saw a guy (and his supper) slide clear across the room, chair and all, because he didn't tie himself off. So I doubt propping up a tablet would work. Like you said though using it as a straight tablet at that point would be fine. It's not always that bad at sea, but where there's a storm or really high waves, the fewer things you need to catch when the ship rolls the better. You often need at least one hand to hold on to something.

    13. Re:I don't get it... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      People are going to compose documents, spreadsheets, etc. on a tablet??

      Maybe I need more coffee, can someone explain why anyone would want this?

      Not compose, but edit and update. Perhaps you're on your way to give a presentation, and you're reviewing it on your tablet (it's only consumption, no need to dig out the laptop). But you spot an error - a typo maybe. So you can quickly go and fix the error when you spot it, rather than dig out the laptop, fire it up, fix the error (while juggling the laptop).

      Basically, you're reviewing documents and the best way is in "consumption" mode - carrying a tablet or looking at it on your phone while you're out at lunch or waiting seems better than lugging your laptop everywhere. And you can use it to fix simple errors, or possibly highlight areas that need fixing but can't be done immediately for whatever reason.

    14. Re: I don't get it... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      LOL ... and this is why I like to stay on dry land, despite growing up near the ocean.

      Too much spilling of 'yer drinks (or lunch).

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    15. Re: I don't get it... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Yeah, lucky for me I only have to go every other year to make sure our software solutions are still functioning properly on the ships and to see where improvements can be made. I was sea sick my first time out to Georges Banks for three days until I knocked myself out by smacking my head on the ceiling jumping out of bed to get sick. Haven't been sea sick since, getting land sick after I get off the ship is a whole other kettle o'fish.

    16. Re:I don't get it... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      This. I've been telling people this even before the iPad came out - tablets are going to replace the clipboard. Think of every task you or a business does which involves writing something down on paper while walking around, then entering it into a computer later when you're sitting at your desk. A tablet will let you just enter it straight into the computer while walking around. No more double data entry (once on paper, once in the computer). That's why tablets are not going to be some passing fad. Once the price of a decent one drops below the ~$100 range, the clipboard is doomed.

    17. Re:I don't get it... by c · · Score: 1

      This. I've been telling people this even before the iPad came out - tablets are going to replace the clipboard.

      Durable, waterproof tablets will. Clipboards and paper are still a shedload more failure-tolerant than electronics.

      Still, it's getting close and some of the cases available are pretty tough.

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    18. Re:I don't get it... by azcoyote · · Score: 1

      I'm an academic and I use my Motorola Xoom to compose most papers that I write. I can't stand the noise of my desktop computer and I like the portability and versatility of my tablet, so I type out rough drafts with some formatting using my tablet. In some cases, I use a laptop, but for most day-to-day work I prefer my tablet. When I finish with the rough draft, I move to my desktop computer and add formatting. I also use the tablet for starting spreadsheets.

      That being said, I do rely on a fair amount of basic formatting even for the rough composition I do on my tablet. I even wish that more were supported in the Office-replacement apps I use.

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    19. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper isn't waterproof.

    20. Re: I don't get it... by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Came here to say this. I have a folding iGo stowaway bluetooth keyboard for my phone, and I was honestly surprised and just how useful that thing is! I still have a laptop for my primary "work station" but when I'm on the go, it's surprising how much my bluetooth keyboard and Android 4.1 phone gets used instead.

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    21. Re:I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can still read it after you drop it in a puddle. You can screw it up and kick it around. You can stand on it. Your dogs can piss on it. Get the idea, dipshit?

  11. Great work! by gweihir · · Score: 1

    So finally iOS users can get the free cloud backup via the NSA that Office365 users enjoy!

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  12. Come on MS by readingaccount · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No iPad support, which is arguably the largest use case scenario.
    You have to subscribe to Office 365.
    You can't just buy it in the app store.

    I honestly can't come up with a way they could have fucked this up any more. Once again MS snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

    1. Re:Come on MS by LordThyGod · · Score: 3, Funny

      No iPad support, which is arguably the largest use case scenario. You have to subscribe to Office 365. You can't just buy it in the app store.

      I honestly can't come up with a way they could have fucked this up any more. Once again MS snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

      Its kind of good sport to watch them shoot themselves in the foot over and over again. One of the wonders of the known universe is they still manage to turn a profit. Its a strange world sometimes.

    2. Re:Come on MS by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Ah well, there's always Quickoffice.

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    3. Re:Come on MS by timeOday · · Score: 1

      You can say that without it even crossing your mind that maybe they know something you don't?

    4. Re:Come on MS by LordThyGod · · Score: 1

      You can say that without it even crossing your mind that maybe they know something you don't?

      Besides how to create monopolies and not pay a real price for it? They were really good at the whole "embrace, extend, extinguish" thing when they needed to, and they got away with it. Impressively so. But now that they've lost that tool, they seem to spend most their time shitting in their own nest. High quality shit, but shit nonetheless.

    5. Re:Come on MS by homsar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they put it on iPad they lose their main "advantage" of Windows tablets over iPads—that they run Office.

    6. Re:Come on MS by mystikkman · · Score: 1

      Besides how to create monopolies...

      You think that's easy?

      Any business's primary goal is to take all the addressable market and would DIE to do that.

      Anyone can start a lemonade stand, but being the only one to sell lemonade in the town, now that's hell of a lot harder.

    7. Re:Come on MS by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they actually can't get a full office for that kind ui. probably because they can't agree on what would be good.

      hence you have "desktop" on windows rt just for running it.

      hence, no metro excel. hence, metro sucks.

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    8. Re:Come on MS by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      Problem is the "tablet" that does it costs as much as an ultrabook.

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    9. Re:Come on MS by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The iPad support is not such a bit deal, as it's a version 1 product. Most companies introduce their apps on iPhone first as it's the bigger market, then add in iPad support later.

  13. The enemy of my enemy... by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No thanks; I'll carry on using (free) Google docs plus the Apple apps I already purchased, (for les than the monthly cost of Ofice360) for those very rare occassions that I want to edit 'office' docs on my iDevices.

    Follows announcement that search engine for Siri will go from Google to Bing.

    http://tech2.in.com/news/ios/apple-ditches-google-partners-with-bing-for-siri-search/876324

    1. Re:The enemy of my enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Follows announcement that search engine for Siri will go from Google to Bing

      Thank you. It's time to trade my phone (Droid Charge) and I was actually considering and iPhone. You saved me. Siri could never compare as a feature to the value of the swype keyboard in daily use. Voice based Google search has the same practical value as Siri. Although not as cute, it gets the job done. On the other hand, there's nothing like swype on the iOS at all and it makes text input a breeze. I can actually send a longer text using full English language in half the time it takes to send a pseudo leet burst message on the iPhone. And Bing flat out sucks..

    2. Re:The enemy of my enemy... by PerfectionLost · · Score: 2

      I kind of wish they went with Ask Jeeves instead.

    3. Re:The enemy of my enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It doesn't sound like you were really considering an iPhone at all.

  14. i cant imagine its productive on many levels by nimbius · · Score: 2

    checking office docs on a phone seems prohibitive regardless of OS. Microsoft has for roughly a decade tried to "phone" as best it can and shouldnt have any incentive to participate in developing its killer app for iDevices at all. perhaps we're 'embracing' here for the sake of the game? that had we not offered anything at all, Apple would simply have thrown developers at the problem or worse, market share for office365 would have taken a hit. It also prevents C-Level iphone users from getting so angry over the absence as to say "screw it, we use a standard that works with any phone now"

    i get the point from MS: if you need something to get windows work done, specifically Microsoft Office or Sharepoint, it might well be worth your while to look into a microsoft phone instead. Its vastly cheaper than an iPhone and while not as "cool" its still more effective than the ported app for any other platform.

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    1. Re:i cant imagine its productive on many levels by ledow · · Score: 1

      This has been going on for decades. Is this any different to even, say, Windows CE office apps?

      MS has a market which it's tried to (or said it's tried to) break out of several times. Hell, it took since Windows XP Tablet Edition for everyone to say "Yeah, that's usable on a tablet now", by which time so many other competitors came and went in the same area that MS are still the outsider. It doesn't really care about / has no clue how to handle other platforms.

      It likes Office on desktop because it sells Office and Windows licences. "The Cloud" messed it up for them a bit but now they can sell Office 365 on Windows. Anything outside that remit? Forget it. It's not "real" Windows and they won't dedicate to it (and if you ever see something like the OOXML standards, you'll learn why - they basically created this mess for themselves, deliberately or not).

      Office on ANYTHING else is secondary and unimportant and only exists to get some cash and will never be the mainstream product. Hell, I wouldn't even chance my arm on Office 365 on Linux or Mac personally, let alone phones.

      Microsoft has one core base that makes it money. Even their consoles have to confirm to that base, basically, because that's the nature of their business. Lip service is sometimes paid to other things but they rarely follow through.

      Windows RT on ARM
      Windows CE on whatever.
      Even mainstream Windows on other architectures died a death.

      It's all there. They've had decades of experience on it. They could make just about anything work with enough effort. They were pushing for tablets decades before people were even exposed to usable tablets. But they are only really interested in working on x86-compatibles with all the functionality they can get on them, so they can sell Windows, sell Office and lock you in.

    2. Re:i cant imagine its productive on many levels by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well it's just for checking stuff, mainly.

      it's a complimentary offer to the office juggernaut.. not a product that would stand on it's own. it's just something they "have to have".

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  15. As predicted deliberate crippleware crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deliberate crippleware to boost sales of WP8, WinRT and Pro tablets. Now the same piece of junkware will be brought out for Android.
    Not that the feature set of fonts and bullets and other things that users expect is important LOL no doubt key functions will also not work in excel either. Wonder what the lame MS apologists will be saying about why Microshaft is releasing crippleware. Not as if one could not see this coming!

  16. Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketing? by hsmith · · Score: 1

    A few weeks ago Microsoft released an ad on TV comparing the iPad and the Surface. One "selling point" was the iPad lacks Office. (I mean, bashing a competitor because you didn't port your software to their platform of all things?)

    Then, Microsoft releases Office for iOS? Such disorganization.

  17. Other way around, innit? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    iOS Finally Gets Microsoft Office App

    FTFY.

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  18. Anyone else finds it funny? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Microsoft releases a half-baked Office for iOS while Apple is going to release a near-complete version of iWork for Web browsers? Even if iWork "Web Edition" doesn't offer everything the OS X version does, I'm pretty sure it will have things like text alignment, fonts, colors and frickin' bullet lists.

    1. Re:Anyone else finds it funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No not funny, sad for you.

      All these Office features you speak of can be found on the Office App for Windows Phone 8. I suggest an upgrade to Windows 8 over your iphone.

      Why has apple been waiting for Microsoft to give their users any office application? It's been six years.

    2. Re:Anyone else finds it funny? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      What do you mean six years? Although iWork for iOS came out only a little over a year ago, the original iWork for OS X is 8 years old. And before that there was Appleworks, released in 1984.

      Apple haters don't even know their computer history and then bitch about Apple as if Microsoft is the only game in town.

      It's not like it was Apple's job to release Office anyway, it's a Microsoft product. What next? Are you going to complain about Nintendo not releasing Zelda for your Xbox360?

    3. Re:Anyone else finds it funny? by Stratus311 · · Score: 1

      You forget that iWork is a steamy pile of shit.

    4. Re:Anyone else finds it funny? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Actually it's very nice. It doesn't do everything Microsoft Office does, but what it does do it does better.

      Were it not for the fear of file incompatibility, most people wouldn't use MS Office. It's bloatware.

  19. revenue splits my behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like they wanted to see how successful 8RT would be. Having this on an iPad erodes almost all of the key differentiators.

    But anyhow...I can't imagine anybody composing content on a tablet. I tried that for myself awhile back. Square peg in round hole.

  20. Good for viewing documents on the go by Camembert · · Score: 1

    So, the software is underwhelming. However I can see it being very useful to have a good number of my most important reference docs and presentations, and a few basic spreadsheets always with me. In fact that is why I mainly use Apple's iWork software on the iPad. Very useful. And I can imagine that in the case of the Microsoft written suite, the file compatibility should be excellent (iWork's import of Powerpoint presentations sometimes has a few rough edges)

  21. One file format to rule them all by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's pretty obvious what Microsoft are doing here:
    1. release a very limited version of Office for iOS
    2. dumb users will badmouth iOS/iDevices because "it can't even handle a full version of Office"
    3. the Office file formats get to survive a little longer because "it's even compatible with Apple devices"

    Very sneaky, but what do you expect from Microsoft?

    1. Re:One file format to rule them all by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that MS is releasing the Office app. I mean it's one thing if Apple released an Office app and it sucked (like their old Youtube app did). Apple will happily shift all the burden back to MS. They should know their own app and Office better than anyone.

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    2. Re:One file format to rule them all by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has been reluctant to release Office for iOS and Android because Office on an ARM platform cuts into their Windows sales. People and businesses will ask themselves, "Why should I pay $100 for Windows when the only thing I use it for is Office and web browsing, and now I can get Office on my non-Windows ARM device?" Microsoft's preference is that you buy a PC so they can double-dip (sale of Windows + Office), so they're trying to slow down the transition to ultra-portable ARM platforms. Either until Intel figures out a way to make x86 competitive at the low-power end, or until they can figure out a way to leverage their PC market dominance into ARM market dominance.

      Windows RT is another facet of the same thing. They ported the Windows API to ARM so that if the world does transition from Intel to ARM, they're set and ready to continue to sell Windows licenses. That it isn't selling now doesn't really matter. What matters is that they've got their bases covered regardless of whether x86 or ARM wins on the hardware front.

      This inter-department loyalty is really hobbling their business. It's rather ironic that Microsoft would've been better off if they'd lost the anti-trust trials of the 1990s, and the FTC had split them into a separate OS company and an apps company. A Microsoft apps-only company would've put out a version of Office for iOS/Android years ago. By trying to use Office to preserve their Windows franchise, they're doubling down their bets. Their delay opens up the possibility that if ARM wins, something else will replace Office as the de facto productivity suite. Much like Office replaced WordPerfect and Lotus 123 during the DOS -> Windows transition. Then they'll be stuck without Windows nor Office.

    3. Re:One file format to rule them all by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Office drives the server rich applications: Dynamics, Sharepoint, Exchange Lync. That plus office is the big money. And those applications could be on Linux just as easily. Ironically I think office might be more dominant without the OS franchise to protect.

  22. Battery life by Saint+Gerbil · · Score: 1

    ...and the bosses switch back to their PC at lunch while the iPad recharges.

    Since it would need to have most of the battery draining options on (like wifi).

  23. Apparently ****ing on it didn't work by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    Quote by Bill Gates, of Microsoft, when asked if he would develop software for the NeXT computer: "Develop for it? I'll piss on it."
    http://library.thinkquest.org/22522/quotes.html

    (For those who don't recall their computer history, Apple's iOS comes from OPENSTEP, which Apple got when it bought NeXT, and OPENSTEP was the upgrade from NeXTstep which implemented the OPENSTEP standard for NeXT Computers.)

    Hopefully this means we'll see a version of OneNote for Mac OS X --- it'd be a nice gesture if they'd bring back Apple's MacBASIC which BG bought for the princely sum of $1 so he could bury it --- http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacBasic.txt .

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  24. But "Office"-type Apps Exist Already? by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 1

    I don't understand how this is a big deal.

    I have installed Officesuite Pro on both a tablet and smartphone.

    I can create and edit documents quite easily and no subscription is needed. I paid £9.99 and more than happy with it.

    It's also "Office" compatible (e.g. excel and word)

    Not to mention the other officesuites out there too (e.g. King office is even free)

    It all works really well with a bluetooth keyboard linked to a tablet too.

    I imagine corporate types are asking for Microsoft Office for IOS - beyond that no big deal.

  25. And so, by Zanadou · · Score: 1
    Meet the new boss.

    Same as the old boss.

  26. It is understandable and quite logical. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    So Microsoft is reducing the feature set of its iOS MsOffice products. It is understandable and is quite logical. It has to have some differentiation and some small amount of sand in the gears to justify charging hundreds of dollars for its if "full" version. They want to check off that bullet point "iOS support: done". But at the same time it can not charge full money to the iOS suite, Apple is waiting there, waiting with its butcher knife to cleave its 30% commission. So it is going to give away or charge something minimal for the iOS suite. Doing it and maintaining a large price differential for its "full" product needs such tricks.

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  27. Bad move! by elabs · · Score: 1

    They should have kept it a Windows / WindowsPhone exclusive.

  28. Welcome to the future by sjbe · · Score: 1

    People are going to compose documents, spreadsheets, etc. on a tablet??

    Why not? Attach a keyboard if needed. Just because you don't do it now doesn't mean it can't do a perfectly acceptable job given appropriate software.

    Maybe I need more coffee, can someone explain why anyone would want this?

    Because a tablet is underneath basically exactly the same thing as a laptop, just with an interface optimized in a different way. There is no fundamental reason why you can't attach a keyboard to a tablet and do word processing on it. A tablet certainly has sufficient CPU power for that task. As long as the software is designed with the tablet interface in mind it should work fine. In fact I'm confident (bordering on certain) that tablets will converge with what we now call a laptop over the next few years. Windows 8 is essentially an effort to do just this and Apple and Google are working towards merging the two.

  29. software is hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft developers are making great efforts to implement these features as fast as possible. Didn't you know bullet points are really really hard to do?

  30. "iOS finally gets offical MS Office App" by elabs · · Score: 1

    The title of this pos is backwards. It should read "iOS finally gets offical MS Office App".

  31. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by recoiledsnake · · Score: 0

    A few weeks ago Microsoft released an ad on TV comparing the iPad and the Surface. One "selling point" was the iPad lacks Office. (I mean, bashing a competitor because you didn't port your software to their platform of all things?)

    Then, Microsoft releases Office for iOS? Such disorganization.

    There is no Office for iPad.
    Atleast read the post titles of the top two posts before rushing to post your two cents you think are worth millions.
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3865737&cid=44005893

    As usual it's typical summary fail.

    One "selling point" was the iPad lacks Office. (I mean, bashing a competitor because you didn't port your software to their platform of all things?)

    Also, read the part of the summary where it says Apple's forced 30% cut was keeping Office for iPad on hold, so Apple deserves part of the blame for that and the ad is justified in flaunting Office on Windows RT and Windows 8.

    Another difference is that you can plug in a mouse to Windows RT/8 and a proper keyboard, so it makes sense to have the full Office run on it, unlike the crippled iPad.

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  32. 80-20 rule by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

    font options, text alignment, bulleted lists

    You know how they always say "80% of the users only use 20% of the features". Well, those features look like they belong solidly in that 20% that they should have focused on. I'm pretty sure that even 1980s vintage copies of WordPerfect running on DOS supported those features.

  33. Because the NSA has mod points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the NSA is full of techies pumped full of propaganda, and Microsoft can't face up to NSA problems. So here we are, pretending that a system that stores your documents in an NSA locker is somehow usable for any business!

    If you can't secure Office 365 from NSA snooping, and you are a foreign power, and NSA has in the past done commercial surveillance, then you cannot use Office 365 because you would be handing your secrets to the NSA who will hand them to your competitors. Sad, but that's the world we are faced with.

    Even if you are an American company, are you the one the NSA favors? No? Sorry, but your secrets are just as likely to be stolen.

    We work for the military dictator now. Be nice, they shoot people.

  34. Word and Excel on a Phone by The+Cat · · Score: 1

    The mobile app market is an endless greased-up cash grab by stupid people who do not understand the concept of the "wrong tool for the job."

    Doing real "work" on a mobile phone is like assembling a car engine with your teeth. It is completely retarded.

  35. And who cares? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    Are people who bought an Apple product lamenting that they don't have a Microsoft product available to them?

    I should think that for most people, this would be a big giant "who gives a damn?" kinda thing.

    But, who knows ... maybe half of all iPhone users have been saying "gee, if I only had Office, this experience would be complete". Then again, I guess some people need to read excel documents at 2am on their phone -- but I wouldn't be one of them.

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  36. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    There is no Office for iPad.
    Atleast read the post titles of the top two posts before rushing to post your two cents you think are worth millions.

    He didn't say there was an Office for iPad. He said there was an Office for iOS. The last time I checked, you can run an iOS app in the iPad even if it was made for iPhone/iPod Touch. It may not optimized for an iPad's screen but it will run.

    Also, read the part of the summary where it says Apple's forced 30% cut was keeping Office for iPad on hold, so Apple deserves part of the blame for that and the ad is justified in flaunting Office on Windows RT and Windows 8.

    You complain of others not understanding an issue but you misstated the problem yourself in so many ways. Apple's 30% cut comes from two sources: 1) 30% of the price of the app or 2) 30% of any subscription revenue generated within the app. Microsoft is under no obligations to do either. If they offered the app for free they don't have to pay Apple. If a user cannot create a subscription within the app, they don't have to pay Apple. This is the same for everyone not specially created for MS. MS wanted Apple to change the rules for them and how is that Apple's fault if they said no?

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  37. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

    This is the same for everyone not specially created for MS. MS wanted Apple to change the rules for them and how is that Apple's fault if they said no?

    Because Office is not the same as every other 99c fart app on the App store.

    Which app on the iPad among the million apps following the "rules" is going get more business sales in companies for the iPad apart from Office? That's a ton of $$$ if you count the huge margins on iPads. Thus, MS is in a way stronger negotiating position than the developer of a fart sounds app. If you can't understand that simple logic, I have nothing more to say to you.

    Also, the ads didn't say it was Apple's fault. They said there is no Office for the iPad. If Apple was more greedy, then, as I said it's "partly Apple's fault".

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  38. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because Office is not the same as every other 99c fart app on the App store.

    The Office app needs special rules because you and MS say it's special. Yeah, that's not a reason. So all the subscription based apps like the WSJ app can do whatever they want because they are special too?.

    Which app on the iPad among the million apps following the "rules" is going get more business sales in companies for the iPad apart from Office?

    Funny how you defined "business sales" because if you want to talk millions in sales to consumers you have to ignore Pandora, Kindle, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc.

    Thus, MS is in a way stronger negotiating position than the developer of a fart sounds app. If you can't understand that simple logic, I have nothing more to say to you.

    Pandora, Kindle, Angry Birds, etc. are not fart apps. It's not logic on your part; it's willful blindness as you appear to be a MS apologist.

    If you went to any business in this world and you wanted them to make exceptions for you, you would say it's partially their fault if they say no? What kind of warped sense of entitlement do you have? Can you say to a potential landlord that you want to pay less rent than he's offering and then blame him because he didn't say yes? That the landlord is partially to blame that you were without an apartment. The delay was all MS. They wanted Apple to change the rules. Apple said no. End of story.

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  39. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by recoiledsnake · · Score: 1

    Because Office is not the same as every other 99c fart app on the App store.

    The Office app needs special rules because you and MS say it's special. Yeah, that's not a reason. So all the subscription based apps like the WSJ app can do whatever they want because they are special too?.

    Which app on the iPad among the million apps following the "rules" is going get more business sales in companies for the iPad apart from Office?

    Funny how you defined "business sales" because if you want to talk millions in sales to consumers you have to ignore Pandora, Kindle, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, etc.

    Thus, MS is in a way stronger negotiating position than the developer of a fart sounds app. If you can't understand that simple logic, I have nothing more to say to you.

    Lets say Apple demanded 100% instead of 30%, does this mean it's all MS's fault? Who is to say 30% is the "right" amount? You, the MS hater?

    If you went to any business in this world and you wanted them to make exceptions for you, you would say it's partially their fault if they say no? What kind of warped sense of entitlement do you have? Can you say to a potential landlord that you want to pay less rent than he's offering and then blame him because he didn't say yes? That the landlord is partially to blame that you were without an apartment.

    If I were renting a thousand apartments, yes I would ask the landlord for a discount. That is not a warped sense of entitlement, it's getting a good deal for your company. If you didn't, and paid one of your biggest rival companies extra money you didn't need to, you would be called an unknowing fool and would be fired from any half decent company for wasting money like an idiot. You fail at Negotiating 101. Good that you aren't responsible for big companies' business decisions.

    You want to see how Apple might bend rules? Look at this email where an Apple exec was proposing an exception to Amazon books. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57589185-37/apples-eddy-cue-yep-we-caused-e-book-pricing-to-rise/

    I honestly can't make out if you're that dense, or your abject MS hate is clouding your logic. I hope it's the latter. And Slashdot moderation shows how it's more about MS hate than insightful comments, no wonder the site is dying as people flee from theirrational hating circlejerk.

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  40. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by mystikkman · · Score: 1

    It sad to see people on a site that used to stand for software freedom cheering on Apple and it's implementation of Palladium DRM for an OS, and developer abuse by taking forced cuts of app sales, just because MS is on the other end of the story. Or maybe you're just an Apple fanboy that hates software freedom and what it stands for.

  41. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    It sad to see people on a site that used to stand for software freedom cheering on Apple and it's implementation of Palladium DRM for an OS, and developer abuse by taking forced cuts of app sales, just because MS is on the other end of the story. Or maybe you're just an Apple fanboy that hates software freedom and what it stands for.

    What do you mean forced cut? It's their store. If you don't like the terms of the App store you don't have to develop for iOS. You could go to MS--oh wait--they take the same cut. Or Android store--oh wait--it's the same cut. Do you have a point or do you just hate Apple?

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  42. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Lets say Apple demanded 100% instead of 30%, does this mean it's all MS's fault?

    Let's say Apple killed your dog and your mother while framing you for tax evasion, whose fault is it? You are listing hypotheticals that aren't close to reality because you don't have a real argument. The cut is 30% for everyone. And the thing you don't understand is that MS doesn't have to pay as long as they play by the same rules everyone follows. Netflix and Hulu don't get charged 30%. HBO doesn't get charged 30%.

    Who is to say 30% is the "right" amount? You, the MS hater?

    Apparently both Google and MS think 30% is the "right" amount as they charge the same percentage for their app store? You do understand the idea of ownership, right? It's Apple store, not yours. You are not entitled that they change terms just for you.

    If I were renting a thousand apartments, yes I would ask the landlord for a discount. That is not a warped sense of entitlement, it's getting a good deal for your company.

    Nowhere in the vast realm of reality does a landlord have to rent to you if you want cheaper rent. If you are renting a thousand or one apartment, if you don't want to pay the rent he wants, he doesn't have to rent to you. Period. It's his decision. Maybe he just doesn't like you. Maybe your offer is way too low. Maybe he already has a thousand people lined up willing to pay more. Where your sense of entitlement is that somehow it's his fault that you didn't get an apartment for a few months because you held out for lower rent. In business every day people walk away from deals. It's business; it's not personal. No one owes you a deal.

    If you didn't, and paid one of your biggest rival companies extra money you didn't need to, you would be called an unknowing fool and would be fired from any half decent company for wasting money like an idiot.

    And you fail to understand basic ownership rights. No one has to agree to your terms. Now, do you know what terms MS wanted? What if they only wanted Apple to take 5% which doesn't cover their costs. We don't know. Apple doesn't have to agree to change their terms. Are you one of those people that goes into a dollar store and wants to pay $0.25 for everything while the clerk is trying to point to you the name of the store.

    You fail at Negotiating 101. Good that you aren't responsible for big companies' business decisions.

    And you don't understand Business. Apple makes more money than you and I than both of us in our lifetimes. But if you had any business sense, you'd understand Apple makes the bulk of their money on hardware sales. App sales is a tiny fraction of their revenue and profits. So Apple's competitor (MS) wants a larger cut to further their monopoly hold of Office users? Apple might, maybe, get a few bucks more in the deal. [sarcasm]Yeah, sure that makes total sense that Apple would agree to that.[/sarcasm] Or they have MS follow the same rules everyone else has to follow.

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  43. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by mystikkman · · Score: 1

    Their store? Sure take cuts, but what about providing options for people that want to use other stores or install apps directly?
    If you don't like don't develop? That's like saying if you didn't like MS' monopoly on computers, become a hermit. On Android, you can host the APK on your own site or submit it to alternative stores like Amazon's. So there is competition for the 30% cut. You can start an Android store and charge only a 5% cut if you wanted to, to compete with Google Store, and if you provide a better service, devs and users will start using your store. Also, MS has far fewer restrictions on in app purchases. You can implement your own payment methods inside the app itself, unlike Apple that wants to charge a toll on all in app purchases. It's not about Apple hate, it's about the slow erosion of software freedoms, and how Apple could make it acceptable in the public sphere(thus leading to restrictions in the other "app stores) because of people like you cheering them on just because it is Apple.

  44. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Their store? Sure take cuts, but what about providing options for people that want to use other stores or install apps directly?

    When I bought my car, how come I can't install parts from a competing manufacturer? You're missing the whole point. If you want to develop for iOS or use an iOS device, there are limitations. This is the same for WP store by the way. If you don't like it, don't buy the device. Don't develop for it. No one said that you are entitled to everything your way.

    If you don't like don't develop? That's like saying if you didn't like MS' monopoly on computers, become a hermit.

    Where you around during the 90s or were you a hermit? The problem was not that MS had/has a monopoly. The problem was how MS maintained that monopoly. The behaviors that they demonstrated by threatening competitors and partners in furtherance of the monopoly was the issue.

    Incidentally, people here like to boast how Android has a larger marketshare than iPhone so how can Apple have a monopoly when they don't even have the largest marketshare? How can they have a monopoly when it is easy to get an Android phone if you want?

    So there is competition for the 30% cut. You can start an Android store and charge only a 5% cut if you wanted to, to compete with Google Store, and if you provide a better service, devs and users will start using your store.

    You missed the point. Google still has the right just like MS and Apple to charge 30%. Just because you created your own store doesn't mean you get to dictate to others. But let's explore your 5% cut. Do you think you can maintain a store that handles billions of apps and media every quarter that services hundreds of millions of customers for 5%. Also your store has to deal with the content side like dealing with developers and all the uploads/updates. There is also the payment system which handles worldwide currencies and taxes. All that for 5%. Good luck to you. I would think that you would be in the red at 5%. There is a reason it's 30%. It's enough for all of them to cover their costs with some profit.

    Also, MS has far fewer restrictions on in app purchases. You can implement your own payment methods inside the app itself, unlike Apple that wants to charge a toll on all in app purchases.

    If you like MS so much, develop for it. Or for Android. No one is forcing you to develop for Apple. Now with MS, you don't have as many potential customers. But you have to make that decision.

    It's not about Apple hate, it's about the slow erosion of software freedoms, and how Apple could make it acceptable in the public sphere(thus leading to restrictions in the other "app stores) because of people like you cheering them on just because it is Apple.

    If you want software freedoms, develop and buy Android. When did I cheer them on? I explained exactly what the Apple's policy is. If you don't like it, don't buy their stuff. Don't develop for it. You are not entitled to everything you want in life.

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  45. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by mystikkman · · Score: 1

    But let's explore your 5% cut. Do you think you can maintain a store that handles billions of apps and media every quarter that services hundreds of millions of customers for 5%. Also your store has to deal with the content side like dealing with developers and all the uploads/updates. There is also the payment system which handles worldwide currencies and taxes. All that for 5%. Good luck to you. I would think that you would be in the red at 5%. There is a reason it's 30%. It's enough for all of them to cover their costs with some profit.

    Let the market decide that instead of Apple. That's what innovation is all about, reducing costs, making it easy for developers and users. But no, Apple(and MS following in its footsteps) don't want to risk that, so they artificially restrict it using DRM.

    If you want software freedoms, develop and buy Android. When did I cheer them on? I explained exactly what the Apple's policy is. If you don't like it, don't buy their stuff. Don't develop for it. You are not entitled to everything you want in life.

    Wait, so one can't criticize Apple or complain about them?

    Why do you spend so much time criticizing Microsoft, even going to the trouble of submitting stories with spinned and biased summaries etc. when it is the easiest ever to avoid MS products right now? Just stop complaining and use OS X, Google Docs/iWork, Google Drive/Dropbox, iPhone, Gmail, iPad, PS4, Apple TV etc.

    You are not entitled to everything you want in life, if you don't like MS, just use alternatives and don't post anything criticizing them.

  46. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Let the market decide that instead of Apple. That's what innovation is all about, reducing costs, making it easy for developers and users. But no, Apple(and MS following in its footsteps) don't want to risk that, so they artificially restrict it using DRM.

    Is your complaint that there is DRM? You realize that developers want to be paid for each copy right? Without DRM they can't do that. It's not artificially restricted. Now if you don't want to charge for our app, then you don't have to list a price. But thousands of other developers want their money. It's the same with other media.

    Wait, so one can't criticize Apple or complain about them?

    You can complain all you want. But you are not entitled to anything. I can complain that I can't date a supermodel but I'm not entitled to a supermodel girlfriend.

    Why do you spend so much time criticizing Microsoft, even going to the trouble of submitting stories with spinned and biased summaries etc. when it is the easiest ever to avoid MS products right now?

    MS is opening retail stores within Best Buy stores. Their current stores don't appear to be very populated. I don't see that this new venture would be any more successful. This is just my opinion. What is the spin and bias?

    Just stop complaining and use OS X, Google Docs/iWork, Google Drive/Dropbox, iPhone, Gmail, iPad, PS4, Apple TV etc.

    I use what I deem to be the right tool. It's why I have a Linux server and desktops at home. It's why I don't have any consoles nor an AppleTV (or a Roku). It's why I use Libre Office. I know why I use things. I don't feel the need to push my agenda on other people.

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  47. Re:Bigger question is, what is up with MS Marketin by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Advertising the Surface based on Microsoft's effective monopoly in office software is going to get them slapped down hard by the EU at least. It's a textbook case of illegally using a monopoly.

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