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YouTube Removes Video of Reactions To Being Videoed

theodp writes "To follow-up on an earlier Slashdot post, GeekWire reports that YouTube has removed Surveillance Camera Man's latest video of people's sometimes-violent reactions to being videoed, citing its policy of prohibiting content designed to harass, threaten or bully ("This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting content designed to harass, bully or threaten"). In a neat coincidence, the YouTube ban comes just after similar complaints were lodged against Google Glass. 'Some people also seem to feel threatened by Google Glass,' Philip De Cortes wrote in Google Glass Will Fail. 'They wonder if they're being recorded, and they feel like the tool could be used against them in some way.'"

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  1. Really by jasper160 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People should be this upset about the government doing this too. CCTV's are popping up everywhere, even in rural US cities.

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    1. Re:Really by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know. It's getting to be that the only time we have any privacy is when we're online.

    2. Re:Really by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find it funny that we have police CCTV everywhere--there's two on my street watching my house wtf?--but people bitch about Google Glass. Yet people don't whine about dash cams or cameras in cell phones?

      Also the people claiming Google Glass will fail as a product because people don't like the idea of being videoed are dumb. The person buying Google Glass isn't being videoed, so he doesn't have an incentive to not have it; it's everyone else who has an incentive for him to not have it. That doesn't stop the product from selling. If I become a billionaire, a lot of people will be pissed at my private yacht because they have wallets as small as their penises; but their penis envy won't stop me from owning a private yacht. (The fact that private yachts are boring as hell might--wtf am I going to do with a yacht?)

    3. Re:Really by geekmux · · Score: 2

      People should be this upset about the government doing this too. CCTV's are popping up everywhere, even in rural US cities.

      There is a considerably large difference in a civilian wearing Google Glass and a government agency putting up cameras.

      I can merely walk away or choose not to be around the person wearing Glass...or perhaps kindly ask them to remove them or otherwise disable it.

      People are upset not because government agencies are doing the same thing, but mainly because there's not a damn thing citizens can do to stop it, or prevent massive abuse.

      Don't worry though, I'm sure we'll "create jobs" at battery and motor factories all over the country building tens of thousands of unmanned drones, which will be advertised as a "win" for the job market and the economy to mask the ulterior motive.

    4. Re:Really by fibonacci8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The solution is to purchase music videos of Prince and have them playing clearly visible by the police monitoring. It's illegal for them to make copies, and it's not illegal for you to display the content within your home... for now.

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    5. Re:Really by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "When the person being videoed becomes hostile, punches you in the face, and breaks your new google glasses, you may rethink purchasing another pair. "

      Then I'll buy something better, designed for me personally with all the money I'll get for that assault, after suing the moron, since the video will be already saved in the cloud before the fist hits my face.

    6. Re:Really by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      You suspect wrong. The puncher would quickly be arrested and buying the punched another pair. That is the beauty of uploading the video as you go.

    7. Re:Really by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sounds like you're lucky enough not to have met any hipsters

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    8. Re:Really by fulldecent · · Score: 2

      I have the legal right to ask for the video from a video camera that is owned and operated by the public sector, I have no legal right to do so from someone with Google glass.

      I have the legal right to ask for the video from a video camera that is owned and operated by the public sector, I have no legal right to do so from someone with Google glass.

      I have the legal right to ask for the video from a video camera that is owned and operated by the public sector, I have no legal right to do so from someone with Google glass.

      Sir, you have the legal right to ask anyone for anything.

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    9. Re:Really by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My point was people already bitch about shit other people own--big houses, private jets, hummers, stupid donks, animals, etc.

      People bitch about things I own. I own a $1400 bicycle with $600 wheels--having upgraded from a $500 bicycle, ho-ly shit who knew?! People think it's their business to tell me I'm a horrible person for not buying a $50 40lb piece of shit from Toys-R-Us which would be "just as good" but fuck 'em.

      I'm buying a $5000 piano--a Kawai CA-93--and people are telling me I don't need it and/or that a $300 piano or a plastic Yamaha $500 keyboard is "just as good" and rattle on and on about this like it's somehow hurting their quality of life.

      You should see the way some people react when I talk about getting granite counter tops--apparently me having granite makes their quality of life poorer because everybody has granite and it's "overdone" (in the same way, I guess, that everyone having a refrigerator is overdone? Granite is fucking fantastic--yes, cement counter top is respectable, easily repaired, looks good, etc--but granite is really, really fucking awesome).

      Vibram FiveFingers.

      What the fuck do I care about what you think about my Google Glass?

    10. Re:Really by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find it funny that we have police CCTV everywhere--there's two on my street watching my house wtf?--but people bitch about Google Glass. Yet people don't whine about dash cams or cameras in cell phones?

      Typical non-sequitur (and looks like a flaimebait to me, not insightful). You can consistently

      1. be against CCTV everywhere (and where I live, they are not everywhere)

      2. be against Google glasses (unless they'd have a HUGE flashing light plus aconstant BEEP BEEP BEEP sound when they are recording)

      3. have no problem with cameras in phones as long as they are clearly indicating when they are recording (and otherwise be against their use)

      Moreover, in the country I come from filming people in public without their consent is prohibited, and I greatly appreciate that.

    11. Re:Really by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're assuming that the person punching you has any assets or income worth anything. Good luck with that.

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    12. Re:Really by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2

      "Yet people don't whine about dash cams or cameras in cell phones?"

      We did when they first came out (camera phones). Then it became the norm and even useful once the cameras produced useful pictures and video.

      The big difference between Google glass and a camera phone is that no one walks around continuously holding up their phone so the camera can capture everything. You have to be somewhat stealthy if you want to snap a clandestine picture or video with a camera phone. If someone is holding up a camera phone in your direction then it becomes obvious. With glass as long as the wearer is looking in your direction, they may or may not be filming you.

      When you say dash cam I assume you mean police dash cams? Or general purpose dash cams like everyone has in Russia? Either way they are much less invasive than glass or even cell phone cameras. They are fixed and only capture a limited view. As for law enforcement, I have never heard people complaining about them. I don't have any strong feeling about them aside from the thought that every police cruiser should have one and it should be illegal for an officer to switch it off.

    13. Re:Really by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This type of thing is having a negative influence on regular photographer buffs tho...

      I'm on forums for photography where people doing the age old activity of "street photography" are getting some very rude and often violent reactions from people, something that never seemed to happen in the past.

      I've not really run into it yet, but I've heard of folks in other countries besides the US seeing this too. I hear of it especially in the NE section of the US from the people I've spoken with.

      I"m very much against the govt. cameras, but a guy on the street not hassling anyone shouldn't be a problem.

      I think maybe this is a side effect of social networking and facebook.

      I grew up without worrying about a camera everywhere (thank God) when I was a kid/teen/college student. Everyone knew there was a time for and at time NOT for whipping the camera out.

      Sigh, but I guess normal street photography is going to become a casualty of the new times. Sad.

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    14. Re:Really by geekoid · · Score: 2

      What kind of stupid. selfish unthinking uncivilized knuckle dragging moron thing assault is the correct way to handle thing?
      well you.

      And it's assault, just like it would be know, and the person would be arrested. If not, I will just go to the DA and/or make in publicly embarrassing to local politician who let that kind of thuggery run amok.

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    15. Re:Really by geekoid · · Score: 2

      It's a side effect of a failing education system and the reoccurring theme that problem should be answered with fists instead of the brain.

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    16. Re:Really by camperdave · · Score: 2

      It's a side effect of a failing education system and the reoccurring theme that problem should be answered with fists instead of the brain.

      So we should head-butt them instead of punching them?

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    17. Re:Really by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      "People are upset not because government agencies are doing the same thing, but mainly because there's not a damn thing citizens can do to stop it, or prevent massive abuse."

      Unfortunately, a huge number of citizens actively embrace the surveillance state. To the extent that activities like this can make people stop and think "Gee, this surveillance stuff is really creepy" I applaud it.

    18. Re:Really by Ultra64 · · Score: 2

      >Sorry but I don't know what AR means.

      >... the augmented reality possibilities...

      Are you sure you don't know what AR means?

    19. Re:Really by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just one comment, it is very likely, that as a billionair, all the money you have on you will be in plastic cards, giving you a very small wallet, while poor people may have a lot more money in coins, which are thicker and add up pretty quickly.

      Not that I am insinuating that your manhood is not of monstrous proportions.

      Coins are also easier to keep in a sock than a wallet; which is handy because, rich or poor, problems are often best dealt with by bringing financial weight to bear.

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    20. Re: Really by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It depends on your lawyer. But all other things being equal, the nature of the harassment caused by somebody videoing you in public location would not generally be considered just cause for assault. You might win a civil case against someebody if they tried to sue you for the cost of the glasses, but video harassment wouldn't save you from the legal consequences, which may include jail.

      If you're willing to go to jail for what you believe is right, well then kudos.

    21. Re: Really by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      which can be considered harassment.

      Right, but I think taking someone's property off of their body and smashing it is also considered harassment, so perhaps they were right for recording you.

      Is that how the logic goes?

      Fact is, if youre in a public place, you dont have an expectation of privacy. Property laws (ie, it being illegal for you to take and smash my stuff), however, still apply.

    22. Re: Really by moeinvt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " ...they were recording you which can be considered harassment..."

      Assault and destruction of property are not justified, even if you had a legitimate claim of harassment, which in this case, you would not.

    23. Re:Really by Nyder · · Score: 2

      My point was people already bitch about shit other people own--big houses, private jets, hummers, stupid donks, animals, etc.

      People bitch about things I own. I own a $1400 bicycle with $600 wheels--having upgraded from a $500 bicycle, ho-ly shit who knew?! People think it's their business to tell me I'm a horrible person for not buying a $50 40lb piece of shit from Toys-R-Us which would be "just as good" but fuck 'em.

      I'm buying a $5000 piano--a Kawai CA-93--and people are telling me I don't need it and/or that a $300 piano or a plastic Yamaha $500 keyboard is "just as good" and rattle on and on about this like it's somehow hurting their quality of life.

      You should see the way some people react when I talk about getting granite counter tops--apparently me having granite makes their quality of life poorer because everybody has granite and it's "overdone" (in the same way, I guess, that everyone having a refrigerator is overdone? Granite is fucking fantastic--yes, cement counter top is respectable, easily repaired, looks good, etc--but granite is really, really fucking awesome).

      Vibram FiveFingers.

      What the fuck do I care about what you think about my Google Glass?

      Maybe if you stopped bragging about how much you are paying for stuff people would get off your case.

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    24. Re:Really by farble1670 · · Score: 2

      In the end, it boils down to - are there things you do in public that you wouldn't otherwise if everyone in the world knew you personally did those things?

      the world would be a better place if people behaved as though the world was watching them all the time.

  2. Re:Just For Laughs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of the time those people sign waivers and they're often paid a small amount as well. My roommate worked on a show similar to "Just for Laughs" in Toronto and most people simply wouldn't permit any footage of them to be used.

  3. Black mirror by mvar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the subject of surveillance and Google Glass, the British tv-series Black Mirror had a pretty neat episode (s01e03) titled "The Entire History of You", here's a brief description from wikipedia: Set in an alternative reality where most people have a 'grain' implanted behind their ear which records everything they do, see or hear. This allows memories to be played back either in front of the person's eyes or on a screen, a process known as a 're-do'. Very interesting concept

  4. pshaw really? by wbr1 · · Score: 2

    'They wonder if they're being recorded, and they feel like the tool could be used against them in some way.'"

    You wonder of you are being recorded? You are, by the hundred cameres you walk past every day, by your smartphone, by your ISP, by any of a dozen other things probably.

    I am less worried about some wierdo Google glassing me taking a piss and wacking off to it later than what the government will do with their recordings if they I cross the wrong person.

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    1. Re:pshaw really? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Walking in the street is not now, nor has it ever been, private business.

      You re already being recorded, and the government and corporations can find out every thing you do. If you become a perosn of interest, then whom every is interested can find out everything you do on a much more personal level then some dorks tagging you from an image.

      Google Glass is the citizens number one best protection from abuse.

      BTW, I can get a hidden camera that I wear on me for a lot less then Google Glass. So If I want to record you, I could. Well, not you cause I don't want to go through the hassle of tracking you down, but you get my meaning.

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  5. Reactions? by moeinvt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why do people passively accept the presence of fixed security cameras everywhere, but get agitated when there is a person aiming a camera at them?

    I can sort of understand the reaction if he followed them around, but in the few clips I watched, he's in a public place and the people are actively chasing him away.

    I'd like to see him sitting somewhere in the direct vicinity of a police camera and point out to people that the government is doing the same damned thing. Maybe people would re-consider their support of government spying.

    1. Re:Reactions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Disagree. This guy is just being a total asshole and a creep. The one lady is just having a conversation on the phone and he come up, sits down in front of her, videotaping her from point blank range. She asks him fairly nicely to please go away, and he just keeps being an asshole about it. Despite that, she continues acting fairly nice for a while until he continues being an asshole. And she even tried to engage him in some conversation, reading part of something off his shirt "I support" and then asking what it was he supported. Instead of responding, he continues to just be a creep, and gives her no response.

      Also, this is supposed to be some form of protest against pervasive security cameras, but there are a few major differences. First, I believe the vast majority of security cameras only capture video, not sound. Second, security cameras are not specifically targeting you the way this jerk is by coming up and getting right in people's faces. Third, security cameras generally aren't uploading their videos to youtube.

      I'm generally very cool with people doing this stuff in public. I have no problem with people taking photos or videos of me in public. Hell, I'm a photographer myself, so I'm sensitive to that sort of thing since I'm often the one behind the camera. But this guy is just an asshole, and even I would be extremely pissed if he acted that way around me. Assholes like him are why people like me get grief whenever we photograph in public.

    2. Re:Reactions? by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      I don't recall the video you're talking about, but it's refreshing to hear about one case where a government employee was actually held accountable for wrongdoing. That's a rarity, especially in the federal government.

      I don't find the ownership question to be a fundamental difference. There is a potential for abuse and only the nature of the abuse is in question.

      My dislike for authority certainly influences my views. For one thing, I'm paying for the hardware and salaries of the government creeps. On another note, this guy running around with a camera can't kidnap and cage me if I do something he doesn't like.

    3. Re:Reactions? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      With a CCTV there is an expectation that nobody is going to view or use the video unless something crazy happens (like a robbery). When someone is holding a camera and specifically recording you, there is an expectation of intent to view and use the video.

      It's like the difference between walking passed the barrel of a gun in a gun store and having someone pointing an unloaded gun at you. They are both unloaded guns that, if they were loaded and fired, would hit you, but one is clearly lacking any intent while the other clearly has some kind of intent (whatever that may be).

      I could go around pointing unloaded guns at people and say it's a social commentary on the irony of how people walk passed the barrels of guns all the time without caring, but they freak out when I point an unloaded gun at them.

      I don't think it is irrational to feel more threatened by someone intentionally video taping you, than being recorded by a machine. Yes there can be people controlling the cameras and following people and watching them on CCTV, but that's like video taping people secretly. They don't freak out because they don't know they are being video taped.

    4. Re:Reactions? by mark-t · · Score: 2

      A person having a private conversation in a public place is only afforded privacy by whatever level of indifference about the conversation may exist in those surrounding them. That's something over which one will have absolute;y zero control.

      If you want to have a private conversation, have your private conversation someplace where you can have some legal say in who else is allowed to be near you.

  6. Re:Just For Laughs? by Hypotensive · · Score: 2

    Because hypocrisy.

  7. Changed my mind about the guy by moeinvt · · Score: 2

    Based on the video that was removed by YouTube and posted on LiveLeak, I thought he was trying to make a political point by filming people in public places, which is well within his rights.

    If you look at some of his YouTube videos however, he's actually going inside buildings and pointing his camera at people through windows. Just being a jackass and probably violating trespass laws, especially after they ask him to leave.

    It's weird that YouTube chose the one specific video to delete. The others are depicting actions which seem a lot more like harassment.

  8. This is pure harrassment. by nuckfuts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I"m very much against the govt. cameras, but a guy on the street not hassling anyone shouldn't be a problem.

    The person calling himself Surveillance Camera Guy was absolutely hassling people in my opinion. In one controversial instance, he sat down at a small table outside a coffee shop with a man who was talking on his cell phone, and proceeded to record the man on video. Not surprisingly, the man asked what Camera Guy was doing. Camera Guy's repeated response was an inane "It's OK - it's just a video" or something like that. The victim calmly and politely asked him to take his camera elsewhere, stating that he was having a private conversation, but eventually become quite angry that Camera Guy would not respect his request for privacy.

    A lot of commenters ridiculed the victim because he was expecting to have a "private conversation" in a public space. I wonder how these commenters would react to a stranger recording their phone conversations? It's one thing to be casually overheard talking on a phone in public. It's another thing for some jerk to deliberately encroach in someone's personal space and sit there recording their conversation.

    Some people have interpreted Camera Guy's stunts as an artistic commentary on life in a surveillance society. I call bullshit. At one point he tells a victim something like "Why would you object to me video recording you? The store you just walked out of has video surveillance cameras, yet you weren't bothered by that". There is a world of difference between a passive camera system that indiscriminately records video (and not audio) of anyone who walks past, and a guy who deliberately singles out individual passersby, encroaches on them in a manner that is deliberately intended to make them uncomfortable, refuses to answer meaningfully why he is doing it, records both video and audio, and then posts the videos online for the sake of ridiculing the victim.

    We have certain accepted modes of behaviour to enable us to get along together as a society, such as respect for people's personal space, even in public. To deliberately cross these boundaries, merely for the purpose of making people uncomfortable, is neither clever or noteworthy. Camera Surveillance Guy was being a rude little asshole for the sake of his own amusement. Youtube was correct to consider his actions as harassment.