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The Nintendo Sequels We're Still Desperately Missing
An anonymous reader writes "While the Wii U struggles, Nintendo's been raiding the archives and resurrecting some of its lesser known stars from yesteryear, including Chibi Robo, Steel Diver, and yes, Mario's oft-ignored brother himself — the company is going so far as to call 2013 the "year of Luigi". But as an article published today points out, there are still many more forgotten heroes in Nintendo's IP back catalogue. Series like Excitebike, Waveracer and 1080 used to be trusted to launch a new console, while NES classics like Ice Climber have all but been forgotten, alongside some of GameFreal's lesser known creations. Will they be enough to save Nintendo this generation?"
Things aren't looking so hot for them these days.
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Those seem fine. Some of the other titles mentioned here are more stale than piss.
This is the XXIst century. People do not have a lot of time to invest in console games a lot of the time. So a shoot'em'up or boxing game sounds like a pretty good idea.
Castlevania 1 (nesbar.com) was a great game. Castlevania 2 was fun and easy, if you know the trick to kneel at the right place. Castlevania 3 was pretty fun with several characters to choose from. Castlevania 4 for SNES was pretty fun. Castlevania Symphony of Night is generally regarded as one of the best Castlevanias of all time even demanding like 100$ for a copy. But all the 3d attempts have been failures across the board.
What Castlevania should do is make a giant game like Symphony of Night again, only bigger and more dependent on your RPG stats to do well at the end game. The trick would then be to make the grind not feel grindy, such as lots of mini levels you can go on before forwarding your main progression levels.
I think if Castlevania doesn't do it themselves, there's going to be an indie developer who strikes gold. There's even a term called MetroidVania of the side scrolling games, and people are making stabs at it. I just would think Konami has deep enough pockets to afford all the art to make a large scale game.
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Where is Chrono trigger?
Look, if you're going to make a claim that they should resurrect old and dusty IP you might actually bother to look to see if they haven't already re-released it on prior systems.
Excitebike - 1984
Excitebike 64 - 2000
Classic NES Series: Excitebike - 2004
Excitebike - 2007
Excitebike: World Rally - 2009
3D Classics: Excitebike - 2011
1080: TenEighty Snowboarding - 1998
1080 Avalanche - 2003
1080: TenEighty Snowboarding - 2008
1) List all brands Nintendo has shipped
2) Count how many variations of the brand shipped (NES, SNES, SNES spin-off), store as Editions
3) If Editions > 2 and the brand is not shipping on Wii...
4) Crap out Wii edition of brand, cross fingers
just might not sound so cute to PC Nintendo nowadays.
(or furries as in the modified version)
also, please limit discussion to Nintendo titles. not Capcom or Konami! thing is, Nintendo themselves made just a handful of games and nobody knows what name to call the little pricks in Ice Climber anyways.
so you have Samus, Link and Mario/Luigi.. and they don't seem to be missing.
I heard Kid Icarus is making a comeback though?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
So there are a slew of fun looking games that are a long way off with nothing really amazing standing out to fill the void in the meantime, this is the same holding position they've been in since launch for the most part.
Other next gen consoles don't really seem that appealing to me, especially now that there are so many great titles on PC.
I was playing Mighty Switch Force the other day and thinking what a missed opportunity Nintendo had for creating a real space for indie developers to get into, but from what I understand getting on the Nintendo eShop is not exactly easy or profitable.
Ah well, at least Steam Summer Sale is just around the corner!
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Mario RPG? They claim Paper Mario was the spiritual successor, but having played both, that's like saying that System Shock 2 was the spiritual successor to Chrono Trigger...
I mean, "Side scrolling Mario game with some RPG elements" doesn't mean make it even remotely similar to what was in effect "Final Fantasy: Mario".
...mentioning Megaman Sequelitis? Not sure. Anyway be careful where you play this because IIRC there is lots of swearing. But pretty amazing game dissection.
There's no 3D Mario, no Zelda, no Metroid game.
Those are the reasons I buy Nintendo consoles. I have a Wii U only because I won it at a trade show, otherwise I would not yet have bought one until at least one of those is released.
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Blaster Master? Whar sequel WAHR?
Still the best game music of all time, and fuck all y'all saying God of War.
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People are remaking old Atari 2600 and NES games and making them free to play/advert/microtransactions. If the major players like NIntendo aren't going to give their player's old rom collections for free/cheap, there will be a short term market for indie devs to recode the past. Everything old is new again.
Not necessarily. Anyone remaking old school Tetris, the game you remember from back before the "infinite spin" rule was added in 2001, is begging for a lawsuit.
There's a reason Steam is so popular now, and there's one word to describe it - indie. Indie games are innovative, not rehashed concepts everyone's seen before, and are taking over because of attitudes like the one in the article. It's cool if you can take a game like Excitebike and toss a bunch of new concepts and mechanics into it to make it innovative again, but the way forward isn't rehashes for the sake of rehashes.
The article suggests a game based on Birdo, but how about a sequel to Doki Doki Panic (SMB2)? I'd play the hell out of that.
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I enjoy myself a lot more when I grab my wii.
That can be so taken the wrong way.
All the extra graphics on the other consoles do is bloat the cost by 300%
By how many percent do the publisher's share and the console maker's share bloat the cost?
I think the gaming world would be better off if 3d had never been invented.
Other than with a first- or third-person 3D view, how should a game show both close-up objects and far-off objects?
Speak for yourself. As far as I'm concerned the elephant in the room is "why are we still waiting for a new franchise?". I've had about as much Mario as I'm prepared to take and Zelda has already reach the point of diminishing returns.
If God forks the Universe every time you roll a die, he'd better have a damned good memory.
We've had enough sequels with Nintendo, what we really need is more original games. Yeah, its fun playing Mario/Zelda/Metroid every generation, but there's only so much you can do with them before you totally destroy continuity and cohesion as a series. Either that or do what they've done with Fire Emblem and make it be more like Final Fantasy where each game has some tie-ins (similar weapons, the Fire Emblem, a couple of references) but each game is mostly stand alone and so they're free to add and remove features at will and it doesn't really make the game feel any less of a Fire Emblem game.
I mean, there's some good concepts out there, but they feel shoehorned in a universe where they don't belong for example, Zelda: Spirit Tracks.
While Nintendo certainly shouldn't forget its classics, there is a need for fresh blood.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlevania:_Dawn_of_Sorrow
and there was 2 other ones - all great fun games.
The problem is Nintendo needs to do one of these well done on their new consoles.
Instead of crapifying old titles (castlevania 3d metroid 3d??? ugh), how about picking up some good indie titles. I do not play much any more but I am sure there are that can make the system compelling.
Silence is a state of mime.
With the Wii and even the DS it's suprising it hasn't even been redone.
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Skies of Arcadia. I know it was originally a Dreamcast game and ported to Gamecube. I had it on my GC. That game was by far the most fun RPG (and probably video game) I've ever played.
I'd also recommend remaking River City Ransom. I know there's been some remakes and some clones. But that game was special and deserves a proper remake.
Speak for yourself. As far as I'm concerned the elephant in the room is "why are we still waiting for a new franchise?". I've had about as much Mario as I'm prepared to take and Zelda has already reach the point of diminishing returns.
Nonsense. There's plenty of life left in the Zelda franchise here's one invented on the spot:
The Dark Link Trilogy:
Zelda: Link's Adventure - the shadowy tale of "Evil" Link's origins (aka Dark Link) and escape from Imperial Link (Regular)
Zelda: Quest for the Princess - wherein Dark Link seeks to overthrow the Evil Princess Zelda's Autocratic Empire
Zelda: Dark War - where Dark Link allies with the Wizard Ganon to liberate the people of Hyrule from their Triforce enforced mind controlling Empire.
Come to think of it, Wario could do the same in the mushroom Kingdom. Or Bowser could build an army of koopa troopa's as an RTS...
Nintendo got a lot of money from the DS and the Wii. They need to spend all that stuff in updating all their franchies. The 3DS is fine. The Wii U needs more software and more features. Their hardware may not be powerful, but can do a lot of stuff.
It's the original reason people bought a Wii. Create a HD version, and lets start whipping controllers at the TV again.
I feel like if we're going to talk about this, we need to mention Donkey Kong 64. That was an excellent game, and while the recent DKC games have been neat, seeing DK return to 3D platforming would be awesome. And while i'm wishing, a more classic-style paper mario.
It's called "Trials HD". And there was another sequel after that.
The Pokemon series is still going strong on the handhelds. I think one of the biggest disappointments to the competitve Pokemon battling community was the lack of a "Gen V" Pokemon battling game for the Wii/Wii-U. Pokemon Battle Revolution may have been utter crap story-wise, but you could produce some nice looking videos by recording it.
Innovative?
Sorry, but that is not true.
A lot of indie games are just yet another Metroidvania Platformer / Smash TV reinterpretation / Roguelike-inspired Dungeon Crawler / Action Platforming Game.
Of course there are indeed indie games that innovate but those are rare. The sheer majority are just reinventing the wheel.
All I want from Zelda is another Link to the Past.
Mother / Earthbound
What Nintendo needs and has needed for 10 years is a MMORPG based on Pokemon.
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It's coming.
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I've always wondered why Nintendo never released any more Lolo games after the original trilogy on the NES. (They were made by HAL Laboratory, which is owned by Nintendo.)
He played that game for years.
I would be first in line to by Waveracer. That game for GameCube was AWESOME.
It can't be done because it's not 1992 anymore.
Someone has to get this into Nintendo's hands.
All I want from Zelda is for it to finally die. I loved the first three in the series, but when they switched over to 3D, it all went to shit. Enough is enough.
You know, there were more than three 2D games.
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The Ocarina of Time took the Zelda series to shit? You might be the only person in the world who holds that opinion.
Struggling? So the Xbox One ran itself off a cliff, PS4 is less than exciting people, and PC gaming is "dead." So everything everywhere is losing? I'm pretty sure that the Wii is winning the console wars thus far even if they're selling less than they hoped.
Starfox as a GTA or Saint's Row style open sandbox. With space stations. And hovercrafts.
^ this, I would mod that up if I had some mod points.
Ocarina of Time is what really drew me in to the series. I played the top down versions but Ocarina of time gave the franchise some depth (in more ways than one!). Twilight princess was great and I am finally getting some time to try Skyward Sword. I bought a Wii U the other week in anticipation of a new Zelda, Super Smash Bro, Paper Mario and MarioKart!
Seconded. I don't like any of the 3D Zeldas, but I'm not stupid enough to not realise that they're all (or almost all) iconic games, especially Ocarina of Time. This isn't something widely debated like Sonic's transition to 3D, OoT was near universally acclaimed.
The Legend of Zelda, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link and The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. That's three games. Your shitty little hand held games don't count and aren't part of the series.
Nintendo, please follow your comrade Sega and sell games for other platforms while dumping yours. When I can get Zelda and Mario games through STEAM, I will be a happy man.
Links awakening was a direct sequel to link to the past and an extremely enjoyable game. The later GBC ones were developed by capcom and I never played them so I can't comment. But there's definitely nothing bastardized about links awakening.
The first Game Boy Zelda game was nice (though it didn't have Zelda in it). It's the closest game to Link to the Past really. Maybe the outsourced games and GBA games are shit, I don't have to care about them.
To me, it's like tennis or basketball. Imagine if James Naismith had started a Basketball Company that asserted copyright in the exact placement of the markings on the court, such as the width and length of the "key" and the diameter and height of the rim, and became known for a habit of suing cities that put a basketball court in a public park. In such a situation, I don't think basketball as we know it would have caught on the way it did. Or imagine if the governing body of tennis suddenly switched from older sport of indoor "real tennis" to the modern sport of lawn tennis and then sued anybody who put up a "real tennis" court.
The easy way out is to drop the pretense that a proprietary video game could become an enduring sport.
Super spike volleyball. When they didn't bring the classic 4 player game back and instead brought other crappy volleyball games back they failed hard.
I wasn't born in the 90s. Ocarina of Time came out in 1998. Most of the kids in the 90s wouldn't even had to have been old enough to know how to turn the 64 on.
What can I say? Most people are stupid. Popularity isn't the same thing as quality.
While you might find it easier to stick to herd mentality because it requires less thought, I am capable of forming my own opinions.
Speak for yourself. As far as I'm concerned the elephant in the room is "why are we still waiting for a new franchise?"..
I fail to see how the "Wii Fit / Sports / Party and yes even Music (shudders)" isn't a new IP (or franchise). If that isn't what you meant can you clarify what you're hoping they come out with next ?
Also if we could get Metroid Prime Hunters on the Wii U with Metroid Prime 3 controls (and online play) and/or a Sequel to F-Zero GX I'd be a very happy man.
Nintendo has made a business reselling us the same games over and over with maybe slight improvements. I am done with this. How many times do I need to buy Super Mario Bros? I can play the old games and they are just as fun. Nintendo needs to make completely new games and stop focusing on giving us Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, etc.