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Critical Security Updates Coming To Windows XP, 8, RT & Server

SmartAboutThings writes "On the upcoming Patch Tuesday on July 9, Microsoft is going to bring some notable security updates, that will mostly deal with fixing issues in remote code execution vulnerabilities, which allow attackers to breach in. The security updates will be applied to all Windows versions Microsoft is still supporting (from XP to Windows 8.1)"

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  1. Why? by Corona+Extra · · Score: 5, Funny

    I haven't noticed any security problems with Windows. Why do they release this?

    1. Re:Why? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OSS groups release security fixes, they are applauded for caring about people's safety and security.
      Microsoft releases security fixes, they are appaled that they would let such a problem exist.

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    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe that does happen, yes. But you seem to be replying to a post that denies there being a problem in the first place.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably just the zero day vunerabilities that NSA are using, would be such a bitch if Snowden would choose to publish them

      Information thats been set free is useful, isn't it ?

    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because OSS groups are entirely volunteer effort, basically by the users for the users.
      Microsoft is a paid product, if you buy it, you expect it to work as advertised, any flaw you stumble upon is money you got cheated of.

      I'm still waiting to see a Linux distro that works and is advertised as "Android for Desktop".

    5. Re:Why? by ls671 · · Score: 2

      all the issues they left open.

      Not *all*, just the ones that aren't zero day anymore and that are too well known by script kiddies. I must be kidding of course...

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    6. Re:Why? by jones_supa · · Score: 2, Informative

      The difference is people pay a lot of money to Microsoft to do one thing, make a good operating system. I'm not paying anything for Linux so I don't expect them to be perfect at all.

      That's also why I like Win and Mac: when I pay, I get a premium OS, with less bugs, missing features and crashes, than I have with a Linux desktop distro.

    7. Re:Why? by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In case you ain't figured it out so far Windows has always run on the "Star Trek Rule" with the first in a transition being shit followed by the next being decent, at least on the home front (personally I found both NT 4 and Win2K to be pretty solid) such as Win95 crap, Win98 great, WinME crap, WinXP great, Vista crap,Win 7 great, and so on.

      But the advantage you get with Windows, that really makes a difference if you are using the PC for work and which you just don't get with Linux, is the ability to completely skip one or more releases WITHOUT suddenly being stuck on an OS without updates that can't run the latest software. Heck other than the testbed at the shop I skipped TWO releases, I skipped WinXP for the most part (Finally ended up with an XP netbox at the shop late in the game) and I skipped Vista, going from Win2K to WinXP X64 (which was just 2K3 Workstation with a different skin) and I stayed patched and able to run the latest software the entire time, in fact most software runs on XP and X64 right now without hassle.

      So to me THAT right there is one of the big differences that takes Linux out of the running (well that and the piss poor driver model, but that is another rant) because if you don't stay pretty God damned close to the bleeding edge with most mainstream Linux? You are FUCKED with a capital F. You try skipping releases and suddenly the latest software won't run because it requires kernel X+3 and you have kernel X, it makes it a royal PITA and means that even if the devs go some way you don't want to go, like the mess that was Pulse Audio or the shit that was early KDE 4 and Gnome 3? Too bad, fuck you, you update or its shit time for you.

      Meanwhile I've avoided Windows "LOL I Iz a Cellphone, Buy my appstorez LOL" 8 and if the fat bastard doesn't change course I'll avoid Win 8.1 just as easily and I will STILL be able to run all the latest software and games without issue, it'll "just work". Oh and in all my years I have NEVER seen Windows shit all over one of my drivers with an update, Linux has shit on the wireless and sound more times than I care to count, if its volunteers doing the QA and QC somebody needs to fire their stoner asses because they royally suck. Anybody who shits all over Realtek sound? Ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves, no excuse on screwing up the most popular sound chip on the planet, no excuses.

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    8. Re:Why? by devent · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sorry that is just not true.

      First, the kernel developers have a strict policy for not breaking API or ABI with applications.
      See for example: Linus Chews Up Kernel Maintainer For Introducing Userspace Bug "Userspace" means applications.
      Secondly, the developers of low level stuff like GUI toolkids (Qt, KDE, GDK+, PluseAudio, etc) are also very strict about breaking compatibility.

      On the plus side, Linux don't costs you anything. It's not like you have to pay 80 or 100 Euro to update from Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze. When Debian Squeeze was finished you just download it and update your system. Costs you maybe half a hour time.

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    9. Re:Why? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately Hairy I tried Windows 8.1 yesterday. The UI is even worse than 8.0!

      I really did try not to be an old man afraid of change and an elistist as I would lvoe applets on my phone and PC all working together in Harmony in HTML 5 glory.

      Now it only scrolls left to right making up and down useless on my mouse and while the start button helps clueless users I kept having to hit it. IE 11 disapointed me and misrendered and wouldn't work on many websites. WTF this is 2013 not 2003! As someone who wants to start a web based business I was hoping IE would have gotten its act together but it tells Apache/IIS to render like Gecko and none of my financial sites worked unless I changed it to tell it to food broken IE 8/9 code. Javascript is the culprit assuming css hacks went away.

      Anyway. many users say XP was the greatest Windows OS ever and are reluctant to change. You see their posts saying Windows 7 is eyecandy bloated rubbish over the good XP. Windows 7 in my opinion will be the best OS.

      I was so hoping MS got its act together and feel sorry for 8.1 users since start8 and other utilities wont work anymore once that update comes in. It will be fun reading the replies on slashdot once this hits news :-)

    10. Re:Why? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      Because people care if Windows has bugs.

    11. Re:Why? by the_B0fh · · Score: 4, Informative

      So to me THAT right there is one of the big differences that takes Linux out of the running (well that and the piss poor driver model, but that is another rant) because if you don't stay pretty God damned close to the bleeding edge with most mainstream Linux? You are FUCKED with a capital F. You try skipping releases and suddenly the latest software won't run because it requires kernel X+3 and you have kernel X, it makes it a royal PITA and means that even if the devs go some way you don't want to go, like the mess that was Pulse Audio or the shit that was early KDE 4 and Gnome 3? Too bad, fuck you, you update or its shit time for you.

      You really based your arguments on what you read on blogs rather than personal experience? Plenty of people still run kernel 2.2 which is about 15 years old now, or 2.4 which is about 10 years old now. And if you run something like debian, it's as simple as "apt-get distupgrade" and editing a few config files.

      Or... you know, just not upgrade.

      Seriously. Get over it.

    12. Re:Why? by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 2

      I'm not concerned that they are releasing updates, my concern is with how long it takes before they acknowledge a bug and release a fix. With OSS, the fix is released ASAP (at least that's the theory), with proprietary software... Well, here's a car analogy that might help:

      "A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

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    13. Re:Why? by fast+turtle · · Score: 2

      You've been lucky then as I've had Realtek drivers shit all over themselves in XP/Vista and Win7 and don't forget the Nvidia debacle. It took them almost a full year after Vista was released before they got stable drivers for the fucking video card. Can't use a computer when the fucking video crashes on you and gaming? Forget it. Fastest way to crash the whole fucking system and have to reinstall. Even Intel has screwed up their drivers (security flaws - remote exploits) causing BSOD's the forced a reinstall of the OS and full drive wipe. No driver is perfect and don't even get me started on Lexmark or HP drivers.

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    14. Re:Why? by mysidia · · Score: 2

      OSS groups release security fixes, they are applauded for caring about people's safety and security. Microsoft releases security fixes, they are appaled that they would let such a problem exist.

      They often engage the community in totally different ways. The OSS groups often disclose vulnerabilities, workarounds, and print advisories very early --- they are honest and alert about the threat early.

      Closed source OS vendors avoid publishing anything until they have a fix.

      Closed source OS vendors have been known to refuse to acknowledge a vulnerability or provide a fix, because there's no exploit code, or because it's just a local vulnerability, or just a harmless DoS or resource exhaustion condition that can be caused.

      Closed source OS vendors have been known to attempt to "steal credit" for vulnerabilities or mitigations from researchers who discovered them, for example by patenting ICMP mitigations. -- See Fernando Gont/ICMP mitigations article

      The open source products often have a smaller "window of vulnerability"; that is, time between reporting of the issue, and time that a patch is available to those who need it.

      The OSS groups don't generally give "special heads up" to large corporations and government security agencies and other organizations, including exploit code, with an imposed delay period before announcing to the public.

      The OSS groups often have vulnerabilities fixed before there is an exploit in wide circulation.

      Closed source vendors often have malware in circulation, long before remote code exec vulns are patched, AND due to the fact that they are lackadaisical about reporting security issues to the public and rapidly providing fixes.

    15. Re:Why? by McGruber · · Score: 2

      Oh and in all my years I have NEVER seen Windows shit all over one of my drivers with an update

      I have an indestructable LaserJet 4 that runs fine under XP and the latest version of my preferred linux distribution. That same printer will not work with Windows 7 or 8 because there is no compatible driver for it.

    16. Re:Why? by andy_t_roo · · Score: 2

      phew, for a moment there i thought you were talking about something other than the windows license :

      "LIMITATION ON AND EXCLUSION OF DAMAGES. You can recover from Microsoft .. damages up to the amount you paid for the software. You cannot recover any other damages ... It also applies even if ... Microsoft knew or should have known about the possibility of the damages.

      LIMITED WARRANTY. If you follow the instructions and the software is properly licensed, the software will perform substantially as described in the Microsoft materials that you receive in or with the software."

      It seems to me that this a) you can't claim more than you paid, b) the software does roughly what is documented, is a universal disclaimer; it doesn't matter if you paid for it.

    17. Re:Why? by ulatekh · · Score: 2

      The difference is, you have a choice! Don't like Gnome 3? (Me either.) There are a plethora of other desktop managers out there. I'm using XFCE right now. MS Windows doesn't give you a choice.

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    18. Re:Why? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Uhhh I take it you missed the memo where Ubuntu said they are going rolling release across the board so there IS NO LTS, there is just unstable and slightly LESS unstable. Second of all debian is primarily a server OS, that is where the money is spent. Finally that misses the big fucking GOTCHA when it comes to old kernels which is "Won't run shit" when it comes to new software because of the royally fucked up way software will require kernel Y and depend on framework Z and you have kernel R and framework W so you are in a world of shit.

      Like it or not there is a REASON why none of the major OEMs will touch Linux anywhere except online sales and even then have 40 warnings like you are about to buy toxic waste,why even though MSFT has put out the most reviled OS since Bob that Linux hasn't gained even a half a percent, and that is because as long as the top of the org is controlled by the "FOSSie faction" that treat it NOT as an OS but a RELIGION, with one kernel dev even writing "I hope we break non free drivers constantly" it'll stay FULL OF FAIL because most folks want a system that "just works" and don't give a shit about your religious beliefs.

      Personally I wish they'd do like debian and give up all pretense of giving a shit and just go "racially pure" across the board, then everyone can see just how little hardware actually runs or will stay running without flaming hoops and quit trying to push that horseshit as a viable alternative because its not. Apple is a viable alternative if you buy an all Apple ecosystem but you buy supposedly "Linux friendly" hardware and it'll get shit on just like everything else, see how everyone told you to "just buy Aetheros" for wireless only now you can't, because you see only SOME of it works and then only some of the time with certain kernels until Torvalds craps on it or the network subsystem gets tweaked for no damned good reason...fuck that noise, most of us have been things to do than keep a Windows machine just so we'll have the ability to Google WTF broke in our Linux machine with the last update.

      I gave the "Hairyfeet challenge" which frankly was already tilted in Linux' favor (NO exotic hardware, only HALF the support cycle of Windows) and after a dozen different distros INCLUDING debian I gave up, I'm not wasting anymore bandwidth on what is obviously a broken design and until they fix that bullasscrap driver model there is no longer a point of even talking about it, hence why I have been blocking more and more articles than have anything to do with Linux. Funny that while we Windows users wouldn't give a shit if the FOSSies fell off the face of the earth the FOSSies sure as fuck can't let a single Windows article go without trying to push their insanity. Well go sell crazy somewhere else, we aren't buying FOSSies.

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    19. Re:Why? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      You REALLY should have posted that as non AC as it REALLY deserves to be modded up! The only thing I would add is on the system builders side you also get "Hardware roulette" where you will ALWAYS lose, because no matter what hardware they tell you to get today Linus and Co WILL shit all over it in the future.

      Intel? Well you can have SOME Intel but not ALL Intel because some GPUs were made by a third party that isn't "racially pure" and therefor won't work, hope you like memorizing names and numbers, most of which won't even be on the box. AMD? Well SOME chips work but not ALL chips and some of the AMD drivers get shit on quicker than other and the FOSS drivers, despite being handed the specs on a silver platter, pretty much work well only on shit you can't buy at retail any more so good luck with that. Aetheros, which for me was the final straw where I told the FOSSies to go fuck themselves, was CONSTANTLY touted as the "must have" wireless chips for Linux...until a kernel update shit all over about 25% of the Aetheros chips and now some of the work with WPA 2, some work with WPA, some will only work with WEP (fucking worthless) and others? Well if you want a connection that lasts more than 3 minutes at a time you better just open that router to the world pal, otherwise driver fall down and go boom!

      Offer a product that WORKS Fossies and we system builders would be HAPPY, fucking joyful even, and would switch teams in a fucking heartbeat without a second thought. Think we LIKE MSFT? Think they treat us well? They squeeze us for every Shekel they can, nearly 40% of the cost of a low end build is fucking Windows licenses! Where the fuck do you think the "Hairyfeet Challenge" came from? Even tilting the test in FAVOR of Linux, with NO exotic hardware (hell I didn't even hook up a printer) and only HALF the support cycle of Windows and Linux still fall down and go BOOM!

      We can not and WILL NOT hand out systems that will break on first update and tell our customers "Google for fixes Noob LOL!" and the simple fact is your shit IS BROKEN, the fundamental design just doesn't fucking work.

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    20. Re:Why? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Built hundreds of systems, supported even more, never seen that happen with Realtek, hell never saw anything more than their stupid "HD Deck" app not run with Via, only problem I've seen on sound is some of the old Sigmatels are badly supported but that is Sigmatel, they have ALWAYS had piss poor support when it comes to their stuff.

      As for Nvidia I take it you missed the behind the scenes drama? Since you did I'll fill you in, less than 4 months before the Vista RTM was to happen MSFT basically gutted a good chunk of the video subsystem so that they could come up with "Vista capable" to make Intel happy who had an assload of really shitty 9xx chips in the warehouse and knew that if none of those chips could not run on Vista they would get stuck with that shit so they pushed and MSFT caved. this of course pissed off Nvidia who already had great running drivers in Vista beta 1 and had to throw out ALL the work done and had to start from square one (because the Intel 9xx chips did a LOT of their "GPU" work in software on the CPU such as T&L which wouldn't run under the Vista driver model, hell even with the MSFT hack they couldn't run Aero on the things because it was too slow) which naturally pissed them the fuck off so they delayed releasing new drivers to give MSFT a nice support nightmare as a middle finger for changing the model less than 6 months before release.

      I'm sorry if you were one of the unlucky that got burned by that but thankfully that kind of behind the scenes drama is VERY rare, in fact the only other major driver drama I can think of involves the card somebody down the thread is complaining about which is the Matrox GPUs. Did you ever see that video where Bill Gates plugs in a USB printer and Win98 gets a BSOD? Well now you know why Matrox was persona non grata at MSFT, it turned out the Matrox driver was basically hijacking a chunk of the video subsystem (against the design guidelines natch) and if anything tried to access that system in a way it didn't like, like say a wizard trying to pop up when you plugged in a printer? Crash goes the system.

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  2. Re:A side effect of code reuse?? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

    That can't be, since Windows has been "completely rewritten" twice between XP and 8.1.

  3. It has been a busy month by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Funny

    A lot of systems that had to be compromised by the NSA and associates before this patch could finally be released.

  4. So... by SCPRedMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it's a normal Patch Tuesday? How the hell is this news?

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    1. Re:So... by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      windows slashdot users were feeling left out with all the stories of linux kernel minor version releases and linus' random brain farts in forums.

  5. A request... by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I do not have the ability to do so, but could someone that is able to do so please make a close comparison before/after changes?

    They might be trying to cover their tracks in terms NSA backdoors--hide the evidence to minimize the coverage--and the changes they make with updates might shed some light on those backdoors.

    1. Re:A request... by Anachragnome · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Either it's a big conspiracy or someone modded five people up and then decided to post in the thread thereby undoing their mods."

      While that may be, there are many here on Slashdot that have long been accused of being "Conspiracy Theorists"--myself included--that have been vindicated by the "conspiracy" exposed by Edward Snowden.

      All I am asking is that people here be aware that there are many methods to stifle dissent, and that social media (Slashdot included) is now a powerful tool to both monitor and shape public opinion. And lets be serious about the readership of Slashdot--there are many great minds sharing ideas here on Slashdot (I really don't include myself in this category)--and some of those great minds don't necessarily agree with our government. I'd really like to hear NewYorkCountryLawyer's opinions on all of this.

      Isn't this the entire purpose of the Prism program, to monitor and minimize the actions of those that don't agree with our government? Hasn't there been enough proof that that program has been turned inwards, targeting US Citizens? Why wouldn't they attempt to manipulate public opinion at this juncture? Why would they ignore any potential means of doing so?

      I stand by my previous statements and allusions--Slashdot is being manipulated to both sway public opinion against Edward Snowden and to minimize the damage to the security apparatus.

      "The NSA is too busy tapping your phone to bother with slashdot posts."

      30000 to 40000 employees.

      "In 2012 John C. Inglis, the deputy director, said that the total number of NSA employees is "somewhere between 37,000 and one billion" as a joke." Wikipedia

    2. Re:A request... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

    3. Re:A request... by xiando · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All I am asking is that people here be aware that there are many methods to stifle dissent, and that social media (Slashdot included) is now a powerful tool to both monitor and shape public opinion.

      I first noticed that some subjects and opinions are silently removed from Slashdot back in 2004. Glad you're finally catching on. Using a site with a high number of visitors? Expect this sort of thing.

  6. Day 16 in Linux Mint by SuperCharlie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I know it wont make me invisible, I voted with my OS and have taken the Linux plunge. I am quite happy and comfortable in Mint. I have found all the tools I need and if nothing else, maybe it will take a few more cycles to keep me under the NSA thumb.

    1. Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Try to make it so your screen wont blank using GUI tools.....go on, ill wait. Simple shit like that is what prevents me from using Linux as a desktop. The control panel is missing well over 50 elements compared to win or mac.

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    2. Re:Day 16 in Linux Mint by devent · · Score: 2

      > Try to make it so your screen wont blank using GUI tools

      What that even suppose to mean?

      > The control panel is missing well over 50 elements compared to win or mac.

      Like what?

      PS: I'm a full time Linux user, Fedora with KDE4.

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  7. Re:Well by AbrasiveCat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Deleting all those NSA backdoors is a helluva job.

    No, No, you don't get it. These are installing the new backdoors.

  8. This is news? by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't Microsoft patch these kind of security holes every Patch Tuesday? How is this one special?

  9. their patches can no longer be trusted by 0111+1110 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All joking aside, can any of us trust their patches now that it has been comfirmed that Microsoft is effectively a branch of the NSA? What percentage of these updates were sponsored and ordered by the NSA? Are only 30% of the changes for the benefit of the NSA? 70%? There is no way to know.

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    1. Re:their patches can no longer be trusted by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "All joking aside, can any of us trust their patches now that it has been comfirmed that Microsoft is effectively a branch of the NSA?"

      All joking aside. Excellent idea.

      How many of you folks are squirming right now, wondering if any of your code managed to end up inadvertently being used in the Prism program? How many of you are wondering how this will impact your job? How many of you are wondering what you might have said in the past, things that you are afraid might be exposed by this? How many Microsoft employees are now worrying about their social life, now that everyone knows Microsoft is neck-deep in NSA spying? Will they be ostracized? What about Google employees? Might they become targets for recriminations? Have you been hiding your affiliations with implicated companies? Will that one friend you confided in turn on you, out you to others that they know will shun you as a result? How much more do we NOT know about? What will the next leaked document reveal? How many of you even care (or dare to care openly)?

      See where I am going with this?

      Fear. I see it between the lines in forum posts (not just here on Slashdot), I see it in the public pronouncements from public officials around the world, I see it amongst the world's journalists (some fear not the personal costs, but the costs to the entire idea of journalism). I see it coming from the NSA themselves.

      This is East Germany, all over again--the NSA literally has us spying on each other, inadvertently or not. Secrecy=Fear=the need for secrecy. Both sides of the equation are feeling it. Did you just hesitate before you sent that email? Have you resigned yourself to the fact that privacy is now dead? Do you fear the repercussions of standing up for your rights?

      Do you fear doing nothing?

    2. Re:their patches can no longer be trusted by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All joking aside, can any of us trust their patches now that it has been comfirmed that Microsoft is effectively a branch of the NSA?

      No you cannot; HOWEVER, you can trust not patching even less. Because Microsoft have been known to share vulnerabilities with the NSA, before they even share the fact of their existence to the public.

      The NSA has loads of cash available, and all the research and engineering resources required to work on developing reported vulnerabilities into exploits, to add to "surveillance malware deployment packages".

    3. Re:their patches can no longer be trusted by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Laws and requirements like the The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) gave the USA all the hardware and software help they needed.
      What any domestic US agency can get, any other US agency can get.
      All the fear of encryption exports seemed to stop and the US tech press got lost in nice new toys.
      Now we know why, the change over from setting encryption standards to just having a legal entry into domestic and export hardware and software.
      Its never the patches, it was always the OS.

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    4. Re:their patches can no longer be trusted by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Do you fear doing nothing?
      US data collection was all in the open over years of CS/telco history:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MERRIMAC
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_RESISTANCE
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core
      http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/18/patriot_games
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK (just an exercise ;) )
      later http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MINARET
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_and_Mitchell_defection
      1960: "As we know from our previous experience working at N.S.A., the United States successfully reads the secure communications of more than forty nations, including its own allies."
      ie tame US based OS makers, cell phone hardware as you enter your message before it hits any encryption efforts.
      Some journalism is really turning up to an invite only event, getting the press kit, photo work and making sure the print/website and blog are pretty. As for the US brands, they know what they did and now the world knows to be careful about what OS or apps they use.
      People will explore their hosting, server options and software with more care, buying local.

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  10. sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop by tepples · · Score: 2

    You try skipping releases and suddenly the latest software won't run because it requires kernel X+3 and you have kernel X, it makes it a royal PITA

    But there's one big difference. Unlike new major versions of Windows, new versions of Linux, glibc, etc. are available without charge. I didn't have to pay a dime to upgrade Ubuntu from 8.04 through 12.04, apart from the Internet access that I was paying for anyway.

    and even if the devs go some way you don't want to go, like the mess that was Pulse Audio or the shit that was early KDE 4 and Gnome 3? Too bad, fuck you

    No, fuck Unity. After I failed to get the hang of the Un(usabil)ity that is 11.10's default GUI, I installed Xfce (sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop) and was able to make it mine again.

  11. Windows 8 Pro Upgrade by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    Most users will not need or ever use the additional advanced features in Windows 8 Pro.

    From http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/compare from the Website
    1) Provides enhanced data protection with BitLocker and BitLocker To Go to help keep your information secure.
    2) Enables you to host a Remote Desktop Connection on your own PC so you can connect to it when you're using a different PC.
    3) Connects to your corporate or school network with Domain join.

    Linux Users are offered these features in *every* version without the $130 markup.

  12. Uptime isn't important, lack of downtime is by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .How long your computer hasn't rebooted isn't the important bit. What is important, that it will be available when you need it to be and that it won't reboot or crash without your explicit permission. Even though I have set my permissions such that MicroSoft should never ever update without my consent, let alone reboot my machines, it has happened on several occasions that they pushed an update without prior warning and rebooted XP computers.

    On any critical infrastructure I'd want to have total control over when something happens and what happens then. Some vendor autonomously deciding to reboot my heart/lung controller during a heart transplant will not do. The same applies to (air) traffic control (ILS in San Francisco anyone?), hight voltage control, nuclear power plants and whatnot. Hell, I don't even want them to reboot my music player if I'm listening to it.

    I don't mind having to do regular scheduled maintenance in maintenance windows if I know in advance, during the design phase of the platform. That way, I can decide which exact OS will be the most useful and beneficial for the exact purpose I intend it to have. Any rogue OS that decides to reboot "on it's own" will never ever get a place in any important infrastructure I have, no matter how long uptime some dude on a forum achieves on it.

    Any down time outside of service windows is a major issue, regular windows are not only a minor nuisance compared to an incident during production hours, they are also "job security" if you look at it. I don't care how long uptime you get. I just don't want any downtime for myself.

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    1. Re:Uptime isn't important, lack of downtime is by Spad · · Score: 3, Informative

      If your "critical infrastructure" isn't hooked up to a WSUS (Free) or SCCM (Not) server for updates then you're asking for trouble; you're saying to Microsoft "I don't want to manage my own update deployment, please do it for me".

      That said, I've never had a machine set not to use Automatic Updates reboot itself for an update without my intervention.

  13. Think of the Children by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    And as I stated, most users don't care about or even know what those things are.

    You don't think users want to BYOD...or not have strangers looking through photos of their children...or help a family member with a technical problem in another state.

    I think that covers *all* users. Perhaps instead of stating things you should think them through. these things are available at no cost on linux, and out of the box. Its a shame windows is so far behind.

  14. Re:Subjective Phrasing by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2

    Except Windows is not *enjoyable*; its universally hated.

    Speak for yourself, it's not universally hated. I doubt even the majority hates it, since people keep using it.

  15. Re:CPU support vs. GPU support by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All that misses the point which is UNLIKE LINUX with windows....drumroll...the old drivers fucking work! ZOMFG its a miracle,Ballmer must be related to jeebus because i can take this circa 2004 AMD driver disc and IT STILL WORKS even in XP Sp3 with the latest patches! You try getting a nine year old driver, fuck you try getting a 4 year old driver to work in Linux and smell the fail!

    That is the ABI difference, and why all OEMs treat Linux like ass cancer, because Windows only changes the driver model when there is a DAMNED good reason to and they try their damnedest NOT to break drivers, the polar opposite of Linux. In windows there is only 2 current driver models, the 2K/XP driver model and the Vista/7/8/8.x driver model...notice something there? Like how 2k and XP (and often even later as i have run XP drivers in Vista/7 for old hardware and had them run fine) can use the SAME DRIVERS and how the same goes for Vista on up?

    At the end of the day that is why people would rather steal windows than take Linux for free,because once you get a Windows system running barring user stupidity (why yes i want to win a free iPod, I'll just run Iz_Not_Viruz_is_Entry.exe) or hardware failure that windows system will run, fully supported mind you, for a solid decade without a single driver problem. So AMD dropped support,who gives a fuck? Who is gonna be stupid enough to buy a $400+ card and stick it into an old Pentium 4 running Windows XP? Meanwhile any card that even had just a Vista driver will keep running past the 2020 EOL for Win 7, the 2022 for Win 8, the 2023 for 8.1, so who gives a rat's ass if it ever gets another driver when they have already squeezed as much performance as they can from the hardware?

    You see the batshit Linux logic simply doesn't apply to Windows, all Windows users need is a single solid driver and it'll work for the life of the OS, hell just ask my GF, she is running an HD2400XT in windows 7 right now and that is...what? Something like a 6 or 7 year old card? Purrs like a kitten.

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  16. Re:CPU support vs. GPU support by silviuc · · Score: 2

    The correct way to say the above is: AMD GPUs are better supported by AMD on Windows than on Linux. It's the manufacturer that usually provides the support and writes the drivers. If Intel integrated graphics were any good I would dump nvidia in a second.

  17. Re:CPU support vs. GPU support by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

    Nooo...the problem is the GPU manufacturers TRIED to work with Linux and got in return rants from kernel devs like the one that is always posted here when you point out lack of ABIs are retarded that says,and I quote, "And I hope we break non free drivers constantly!". This of course shows that FOSS is NOT a philosophy BUT A RELIGION and like religion dogma takes over and removes any chance for common sense.

    In reality GPUs have many proprietary pieces that are NOT owned by the GPU manufacturers themselves, such as HDCP (owned by Intel which means AMD and Nvidia have to sign an NDA to use) and support for DVD and H.26x decoding (owned by MPEG-LA) so if you want a 100% functional GPU driver guess what? You can NOT MAKE IT FOSS because you have NO right to give away other people's property!

    As for the coward who wants to know why the FOSSies piss me off? I'll tell ya why, because I have blocked ALL Linux articles so those nutballs can have all the circle jerks they want. they want to sit around and whine how nobody will jump through their hoops for their religion? Fine you have your own section, go circle jerk all you want. But that isn't good enough for the FOSSies, they have to come over to the Windows section and whine and try to sell their crazy over here and as a public service I will ALWAYS counter total bullshit with the TRUTH, and the truth is their stupid braindead retarded lack of an ABI driver design DOESN'T FUCKING WORK, it has NEVER FUCKING WORKED and it will NEVER FUCKING WORK, which is why everybody avoids that pile of asscrap!

    All you have to do is see where Linux HAS made inroads to see how much their current driver design cripples them. Servers? Companies like HP pay entire dev teams millions of dollars to constantly replace the drivers Linus shits on, embedded? you only need ONE driver because embedded is designed not to be updated...hmmm, neither of those are anything at all like consumer products,are they? hell even Android, current FOSSie darling, imposes VERY strict controls from on high when it comes to drivers and wadda ya know, the fucking drivers work! Praise Jeebus its a miracle!

    I am just God damned sick of FOSSies having 20+ years of reality bitchslapping them in the face but like the WBC they hang onto their little Linux bibles and say "La la la, Linus is a God, everyone just can't see his genius, you are all heathens!". That is why I call them FOSSies, because like Moonies they are religious nutballs that hang onto shit that anybody with a functioning brain could tell them will NOT work but because their "dear leader" says it does then it must, because dear leader couldn't possibly be wrong, could he?

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