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Snowden Claims That NSA Collaborated With Israel To Write Stuxnet Virus
andrewa writes "In an interview with Der Spiegel Snowden claims that the NSA, amongst other things, collaborated with Israel to write the Stuxnet virus. Not that this is news, as it has been suspected that it was a collaborative effort for some time. When asked about active major programs and how international partners help, Snowden says: 'The partners in the "Five Eyes" (behind which are hidden the secret services of the Americans, the British, the Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians -- ed.) sometimes go even further than the NSA people themselves. Take the Tempora program of the British intelligence GCHQ for instance. Tempora is the first "I save everything" approach ("Full take") in the intelligence world. It sucks in all data, no matter what it is, and which rights are violated by it. This buffered storage allows for subsequent monitoring; not a single bit escapes. Right now, the system is capable of saving three days’ worth of traffic, but that will be optimized. Three days may perhaps not sound like a lot, but it's not just about connection metadata. "Full take" means that the system saves everything. If you send a data packet and if makes its way through the UK, we will get it. If you download anything, and the server is in the UK, then we get it. And if the data about your sick daughter is processed through a London call center, then ... Oh, I think you have understood.'"
Come on, this is nothing that you can't come up with on your own if you follow the industry, or read "The Puzzle Palace"...
For a field that is suppose to be highly compartmentalized, Snowden is claiming to know a lot of information. He is so desperate to stay in the news that I think he is resorted to parroting what was speculated in the news almost a year ago.
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not at all surprised. some of us have been saying this kind of thing has been going on forever while all the while getting laughed at for being paranoid. But what I am really interested in is what now happens to Snowden. Russia said they would help him as long as he stopped leaking information. Will Russia do anything about this? or do you think it was just lip service??
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
who suffered financial loss because of stuxnet use this evidence to sue the NSA & Mossad for damages ? If not, why not ?
I think everyone already knew/assumed that.
Same with if an author sends a draft of a book to a publisher.
Seems to me those programs could be charged with piracy, no?
I knew that pretty much from the get-go. Only the truly deluded didn't immediately realize that Mossad and/or the CIA were behind that. Of course, there are always those idiots out there who reflexively deny that the U.S. government is behind ANYTHING--who seem to think that the tens of thousands of employees of the CIA and NSA just sit and stare at walls all day, I guess.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
I've seen that movie. It was really a wormhole!
Just to clue you in on another obvious fact, for those of you who may have somehow missed this too: Mossad has been assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists (with the CIA's full cooperation).
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
That summary was all over the place. It barely talked about what was in the headline.
... if someone emails someone else a compressed (.zip etc.) file, do the computers automatically decompress it to examine it, or do they store only the compressed version?
I recall people using specially designed .zip archives which decompress to many times their original size (a 10KB file turning into a 100GB file, for instance) as a form of DoS attack. If the spooks have been lazy the same thing might catch their computers out...
An amazingly well written worm designed to target a particular brand of hardware PLCs that most hackers have never even heard of (and certainly couldn't afford), and not only target them, but target them in a way specifically designed to destroy the attached equipment under a VERY specific set of curcumstances.
That has "nation state" written all over it.
Not only that but it has "very high tech nation state" written all over it.
Basically about the only people with the will, the resources, and the ability are US + Israel. There's basically no one else that was likely to have done it.
But honestly, it was one of the most amazingly awesome high tech attacks ever perpetrated. I mean seriously they managed to successfully target machines that weren't connected to the public internet and physically destroy them.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I've always said, since the NSA is reading all of my e-mail anyway, the least they could do is filter out all the spam for me ... If I could subscribe, via RSS from an NSA site, a .procmailrc; that'd be bitchin'...
Apparently he's run out of useful stuff.
Next: Snowden reveals that the Sun comes up in the East.
My guess is that American intelligence services, aside from trying to get hold of him, are working overtime to KEEP HIM ALIVE. If he dies for *any* reason (even if it's falling down the stairs or being hit by a meteor), it's going to be blamed by everyone on the US, making that a cheap and easy way to score points.
-Styopa
I wonder how many of the software technologies that these agencies are using, have their roots in open source? Hadoop? Hbase? Hive? Mahout? It would be nice to see them publishing their developments back to the Open Source communities.
It sucks in all data, no matter what it is, and which rights are violated by it.
Forget fighting for your privacy based on 4th Amendment legal arguements! Strike back at the NSA with DMCA takedown notices! Now who's the NSA's ISP?
... as I've been telling you all along...
Your country is owned by Jews. You are a slave of the Jews. They print money out of thin air, and make YOU and your children do real work in order to pay it back. They run the entire media, they own the book and magazine publishers, they decide everything you get to see and hear about the world.
Except for on the internet - but they have their 'useful idiots' to 'mod people down' there, if we get too close to 'naming the Jew'.
My government has been doing what the UK does for many years already, we learnt this weekend. I'm Dutch, BTW.
-- Cheers!
Its important to clarify what this system is intended to do, as im certain the government will furiously refute this new round of allegations...presuming mainstream media feels like covering this one
This is not, nor has it ever been about terrorism. Its about the maintenance of power, wherein terrorism is a convenient excuse as it directly challenges and undermines a governments authority. All legitimate challenges, be they from disenfranchised middle eastern nationals or occupy protestors, are now taken very seriously. The middle east questions everything from the well established narrative of american freedom in the context of guantanamo bay to the carter doctrine of foreign imperialism and Israeli occupation each time a bombing or attack is successfully affected. People begin to ask why we are being attacked, and the excuse that terrorists "hate our freedom" becomes less effective with each blast that rocks a city as more of its citizens learn about the home state of the bomber, her motives and objectives and most dangerously, the full context under which america became a part of it.
the occupy protests question the narrative of the american dream in the context of class stratification that is so rife with inequality it guarantees forty percent of a worlds wealth is concentrated amongst one percent of its wealthiest inhabitants. Bank foreclosures and unemployment can only be explained by "economic downturn" and "irresponsible homeowners" so many times before the answers do not work anymore, and with each march or sit-in a protest gains momentum to change this class stratification. protests like occupy work to force a ruling class to remain under scrutiny or crush dissent. Crushing dissent is a force multiplier however, like water on a grease fire, and merely galvanizes your opponents. Ruling plutocracies cannot tolerate sustained scrutiny.
the middle of the road is simply surveillance. Find the organizers, topple them first, and the dissent never has an opportunity to interrupt the american "dream." pre-emptive detention of G8 protesters, flypapering articles about how much americans think Snowden is a traitor, and manufacturing crimes against peaceful demonstrators is much more efficient and effective. you contol the outcome of the detentions, and without a rally point protestors are supplanted by media reports of valiantly thwarted attacks by the TSA or FBI. Snowdens security state, as its been exposed, also serves also to galvanize more severe convictions against protestors by providing nearly infinite evidence of any crime the prosecution so wishes. its a slightly larger padlock by which political and social unrest is quelled. it is our form of political prisoner.
to fix it not only requires expunging elected leaders but cutting the feed bag from a society that largely reviles the poor and champions the rich, and consents to warrantless search so long as they have enough room on the DVR to still make it home in time to catch up on Big Bang Theory. We must begin to ask uncomfortable questions: Why are people rich, what is the longstanding history of our foreign policy and its potential future ramifications, why should corporations be given say in politics, and why do we need a deep-rooted surveillance system to combat something that kills orders-of-magnitude fewer people each year than heart disease?
Good people go to bed earlier.
Please tell me how this Snowden guy is doing any of this in the interest of protecting American citizens from an overreaching NSA? Remember his original claim was to be protecting American citizens from an overreaching NSA that was collecting data on US citizens. He denied trying to simply cause political damage to the US and it's allies. Every single day that goes by his true colors show themselves more and more.
In the beginning I got modded heavily for not subscribing to Slashdot groupthink about Snowden and forming my own opinion. So far every single prediction about this guy has come true, he has consistently shown that he is interested only in causing political damage to the US and and it's allies. People have also started to see through this guy and his popularity has started to fall as they the real person and see he is not simply a whistle blower.
He doesn't want asylum in a freedom loving country because he would rather be holed up in a country that routinely jails and tortures dissidents that aren't pissing of the United States. Why, so that he keep on stroking his ego about the damage that he can personally cause to as many nations as possible.
..they must have 3 days retention and 100% completeness on alt.binaries.*, no!?
I find it comical that people are still arguing over the validity of Snowden's claims, as he continues to be hunted down by the very government who is attempting to dismiss him as a mere nothing.
Perhaps the governments stance to dismiss this as nothing (at least on the surface) has merit, for the government knows that no matter how alarming, no matter how bad the breaches of privacy are or has been, citizens simply don't give a shit enough to care.
And the government knows this. So do many major companies, which is why they continue to operate the way they do (yes, AT&T I'm speaking to you and your recent surcharges that generated hundreds of millions...yes, I'm speaking to you Facebook, and your gall to start charging to put an email where it belongs).
Why do governments and corporations act in this arrogant way? Because they know that no one gives a shit anymore.
Apathy will be the demise of all privacy and Rights as we know them today. I promise you that.
And regardless of Snowden's claims, proof, facts, or evidence, not a damn thing will change for the better. Not a damn thing.
Now, go ahead. I dare you to prove me wrong.
seriously?
we've just got confirmation the suspicions, which were deniable, are true - and no longer deniable.
yeah, lets downplay snowdens contribution to us knowing what the government is up to.
With the original whistle-blowing, I could understand that his actions may be interpreted as ethical. Now he keeps pushing it, he's gone from "good citizen" to "he's probably a Russian Spy." And I'm not with the U.S. Government making this claim. It's just, a lot of what he's doing no longer looks like run of the mill whistle-blowing. Either he's basking in the glory of attention, or he's a Spy. Eitherway, the buggar needs to be extradited to face the criminal court he deserves. He has broken multiple federal laws, and at this point has razor thin justification in doing so. There are much more appropriate channels to go about doing what he did.
"Sorrow is better than laughter, for by sadness of face the heart is made glad." [Ecclesiastes 7:3]
Seriously, the Fort doesn't work this way. He was a server admin. He certainly had TS/SCI and probably cleared for "10", but that doesn't mean he'd have intimate knowledge of everything they're doing. And he definitely would NOT have had intimate knowledge of tools dev, foreign partners, etc. That stuff is all SAP and only the server admin for that SAP program would have any chance whatsoever of having access to that sort of knowledge (given the contract he was on, he was not working SAP programs). He downloaded a few PPT presentations from the internal Google (Intelink) and pimped it out like he was some sort of super-leaker. In reality he's your average everyday attention whore who's now spiraling into full blown embellishment to try to extend his 15min of fame.
First everything Snowden says is common knowledge.
Second, everything Snowden says is false.
Third, Snowden has committed treason by endangering national security by revealing information that is both false and common knowledge.
Well, I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Hostess Cupcake Bakery that created stuxnet. But that's just the opinion of some guy on teh intarwebs[1], not a alleged rogue NSA cyberspy mastermind.
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Snowden strikes me as Walter Mitty, cyber-janitor.
Has he revealed anything that anyone paying attention hadn't already assumed to be happening somewhere?
Come on guys, isn't time for another episode of the wacky adventures of Where in the World is John McAfee? At least throw us a new bitcoin story for us to bitch and moan about.
[1] see
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
In the long run, assassinations don't really do anyone any good. However, if someone is going to get assassinated, those are definitely the people I'd be shooting.
Too bad that nuclear technology is like opening Pandora's box, they will eventually get it, if they really, really want it. It's just a matter of slowing them down long enough in the hopes that their government changes to one that is no longer interested in nukes.
And most Americans would support that.
So don't blame US politicians; blame the USA as a whole.
Okay, now he's just telling us things we already knew. Next he'll announce that box mapping is possible with Magic the Gathering booster packs, lol.
Just imagine the amount of putang Snowden must be getting in Moscow airport. Anna Chapman, the hot ex Russian spy even proposed marriage. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/07/russian-spy-anna-chapman-proposes-edward-snowden/
I just wonder why they collaborated with Israel, given that I am sure that they are perfectly capable of writing it themselves. There must be some "political" motive, either the cooperation is in exchange for something else that NSA can't get themselves (info from agents), provides some form of damage control ("we didn't do it, it was the Israelis"), or it is just a firm demonstration of commitment to the Israeli government.
For the record then...
Dear David Cameron, greasy pig faced piece of shit that you are.
Why are you spending our tax on this?
#KillthePM_lovetheAM, #how_to_make_a_bomb_in_cash-investingold, #Al-Qaeda,Joe-Qaeda,Fred-Qaeda
At this point, I'd say he's proven himself to be a credible source. Confirming something that was already believed to be true doesn't change that, or make it any less true.
Actually no. Confirming something **believed** to be true is a tactic of deception, a tactic of creating the **perception** of credibility. Perception may not match reality.
In truth, extraordinary claims without an explanation of how such information was obtained is a warning sign. How would a low level employee dealing with email surveillance know anything about stuxnet? Frankly claiming such knowledge without any real proof or credible explanation reduces his credibility.
You do realize that Iran blames Israel for everything it can, from earthquakes to the Sandy Hook massacre. Really, an Iranian claim that Israel did something bears no weight.
You also fail to mention that (at least some) of the scientists were also political activists, which Iran has a history of murdering and blaming Israel.
would have access to every secret inside the NSA. I think this is just an attempt to divert attention away from his actions. His claims may or may not be accurate, but my guess is he's speculating.
the real reason the uk is so hell-bent on killing bittorrent... it's totally fucking up their data retention...
Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to present to you the "Iran probably did it to themselves" nutter that I referenced in my earlier post.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
Google is the R+D arm of the NSA. Google was created as part of a project to move every key Government IT project to the private sector, after a disastrous history of formal government projects that failed in every way possible. The logic was implacable. The dynamism of the private sector, and the enthusiasm of young computer 'whizzes' working in that sector straight out of university would propel the USA to an incredible lead in IT, producing hardware and software systems that could be re purposed for security and military uses.
Snowden knows less than 10% of the true situation. Every major intelligence agency in the West have massive Shadow Google installations, vast complexes that use Google's hardware and software platforms. These installations are designed to save everything, and mine the stored data in ever more sophisticated ways.
The goal now of the USA and UK is to find increasing ways to spy on the populace. Ways to extract more data. There is a concern about a backlash (by the public). The Snowden event is actually a PSYOP, designed to examine the response (if any) to a wider dissemination of information detailing current governmental spying on the people. The true leaders in the UK and USA believe the Snowden event will 'INOCULATE' the public against further concerns about the ever growing police-state.
"Once they get used to the idea, it will fade into the background, and they'll stop listening to those that attempt to warn them."
The NSA spying is done for two major reasons.
1) to gather potential 'blackmail' material on ANYONE who may be (now or in the future) in a position of influence. In the UK, Tony Blair actually created an organisation called 'Common Purpose' whose mandate is to identify all mid-level people of influence and train them to follow the same agenda, regardless of political affiliation. NSA/GCHQ information is used to ensure coercive techniques can be used to ensure support for things like war against Iran
2) to read the 'mind' of the populace in near real-time. While the filthy shills that infest places like this constantly tell the betas "why on Earth would they be interested in your life", the most important entity in any nation is that formed by the collective minds of the general populace. All true power flows from the people (usually in the form of passive support of evil alphas). When (for whatever reason) evil alphas are not being countered by decent alphas, evil alphas need to ensure their propaganda campaigns are effective in their influence.
The NSA provides the key part of the feed-back loop that allows the filthy propagandists we call the 'mainstream media' to constantly hone their messages (or do a '180' if a given message proves to be unacceptable). We know, for instance, that the populace of the West is against war with Syria and Iran (since they instinctively understand these conflicts are designed to create the circumstances for a new World War), but control messages can be used to 'pacify' the populace so they do not contemplate direct action to prevent such wars.
BTW, you'll notice that the owners of Slashdot constant use fake polls to imply popular support for things people absolutely do not agree with. The owners of Slashdot are exploiting a commonly understood psychological phenomenon that plays on the paranoid thinking of the individual which allows the individual to easily believe their neighbours are not as reasonable as themselves. This is combined with an actual suppression of political conversation amongst ordinary people (it becomes impolite or 'troubling' to converse about such things) so that individuals lose a sense of what other people around them actually think.
If you believe the promoted stories on Slashdot are 'innocently' chosen, you are a prize fool. This is supposed to be a techy nerdy site, but the owners of Slashdot constantly push a very obvious political agenda (remember, these extremists banned people from Iran from accessing their open-source facilities under the same fake excuse that zionist owned satellite services in Europe are using to ban every Iranian TV station).
That's been known for awhile.
The key question is: so what? A nuclear armed Iran is an existential threat to Israel. It's easy to sit back in your mom's basement and cry foul on Israel for murder when you're not the one who will suffer the consequences if Iran does get a nuclear weapon.
He's 13 months late with that one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?pagewanted=all
Why would Snowden know about this? Granted he was a contractor with clearance and he had access to PRISM etc etc. But why would he have any knowledge of Stuxnet? I think no one denies that the NSA is at least efficient at what they do, and it would make logical sense that these projects would be compartmentalized to mitigate damage of leaks; need to know basis and all. Why would he know about Stuxnet and have any actual hard evidence or information when that wasn't his project and he was a contractor, not an NSA insider? This smacks a lot more of just claiming things to keep himself relevant in the media.
It violates HIPPA too, but fuck 'em; they're only people.
Privatization and contractors are the new wave sweeping way too many areas of government these days. They are treated too much like employees and often can have more access than seasoned government workers --which is often the goal:
While in the past you had to play politics and spend years essentially being vetted to gain higher levels of access (or power to do things) - all while being careful of your possibly life long career (something still possible only in government jobs.) A young contractor and his employer are outside the culture and the belief is that they can bypass the red tape and dysfunction because they are outside of it-- but a large part of this real benefit contractors have is because they are unquestioningly afforded the actual power to bypass many things; when in reality, anybody could be given that level of freedom (but question is, would they use it since they'd have future consequences that contractors do not... one could simulate some of the conditions without going to contractors.)
There is a lot of money in privatizing government work - the goal was and never really is about making things work better. The process of hiring contractors increases corruption and the cost is always higher in the long run (unless you have a highly corrupt system... and even then if it is so corrupt that graft out weighs profit margins then you'll also have contractors getting obscenely higher profit margins as well. You can't really have a graft laden system that saves money with contractors.)
WTF is the NSA hiring contractors for?? Seriously, the USA deserves far worse for their stupidity. I also know for a fact background checks are shit because they contract that out now as well.
One only needs to look at their local government out sourcing everybody is doing today to see the quality of service degrade and the net cost rise...
When it is clear that your side does the same things, if not worse, to its enemies? Is it OK if it's your team doing the hacking, as Western hypocrisy typically dictates?
As an aside, Snowden has set back American foreign policy deeply. He really is a traitor. Of course we'll take it gladly, he's helping our cause every day.
You conservatives crack me up.
How is being skeptical of extraordinary claims made without proof or explanation being conservative?
Embracing such a claim because it agrees with your political or philosophical orientation is something that those who practice deception count on. If you don't want to be manipulated you should be skeptical whether the extraordinary claim agrees or disagrees with your politics or philosophy.
He was a sysadmin at the NSA ...
You are expecting that all servers at the NSA have the same admin passwords? That one admin has access to everything, all departments, all projects?
As was pointed out above how did a buck private in the Army posted in Iraq (Bradley Manning) get access to diplomatic cables? Because not only is the system corrupt and criminal, it has the actual security of an unlocked screendoor.
He's claiming all traffic, from all sources, is saved in some indexed form. Three days worth. Thoughts on the amount of data that is likely to be? Every image? Every communication/call? Knowing what I know about data storage / data writing / data access I find it VERY hard to believe such a facility exists. Even if it was billions and billions of dollars of SSDs that could be rapidly written as the information streamed in...
Either that or they have a couple million RAM buffering the influx and writing it to hard disk.
In truth, extraordinary claims without an explanation of how such information was obtained is a warning sign. How would a low level employee dealing with email surveillance know anything about stuxnet? Frankly claiming such knowledge without any real proof or credible explanation reduces his credibility.
As was pointed out above how did a buck private in the Army posted in Iraq (Bradley Manning) get access to diplomatic cables? Because not only is the system corrupt and criminal, it has the actual security of an unlocked screendoor.
Note that I said extraordinary claims should be accompanied with evidence or explanation. Manning provided the evidence. He did not merely make a **claim** about what was in diplomatic cables, he provided the cables themselves.
Assuming that Snowden had access to stuxnet because Manning had access to diplomatic cables is a huge **leap of faith**.
Diplomatic cables are routinely shared with the military and intelligence agencies. Why would this suggest that the stuxnet team would be sharing its work with the email analysis team?
As a sysadmin, do you have access to every secret your company or organization has? No. Do you have access to some of them? YES.
He doesn't need to have access to every secret at the NSA. Anyone who works for even a few years in an administrative capacity at any organization has probably absorbed enough dirt to at least embarrass them slightly. Which is all he has done really.
As a potential lottery winner, I totally support tax cuts for the wealthy
A court (in the US) is _not_ "an impartial arbiter of justice" and they don't teach you in law school that it is.
The first lesson of law school is that it's "a court of law" and not "a court of justice." There is a great distinction.
Someone needs to shut this asshole up.
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Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Cloudless sky is blue during day. Grass is often green if watered properly.
"I'm a retarded Slashdot reader, and I am not surprised!"
"Are we really surprised? I like getting fucked in my Butthole!"
"Is this really a surprise to anyone? My little anal cavity needs semen inside of it!"
"Wow guys who here is actually surprised? My mouth needs a huge cock rammed down it so I suffocate!"
"Guys it's okay! We're all not surprised about it! Let's all fuck each other like a bunch of fagots!"
This is the level of insightful shit that ends up as the highest moderated comments on slashdot during any discussion about snowden's leaks. Rather than having an actual discussion about what is right and wrong - Slassholes only comment on how they are not surprised and that it's perfectly ok because they weren't surprised!
Is that the only fucking way you can handle this reality of being raped? Not being surprised and writing about it? I suggest anyone doing so should fuck off.
Do you have any response other than an ad hominem attack? I guess the detail that they have been caught 'doing it to themselves' and blaming Israel previously means nothing to you, and that they must really really be telling the truth now that _you've_ jumped on the conspiracy bandwagon?
I never denied that the CIA or Mossad was behind Stuxnet- my point was that Iran claiming they were behind it is meaningless. If you were able to parse your own posts properly, you would also notice that my post was in reference to the assassinations of nuclear scientists, not to the Stuxnet post. And if you were able to parse your CNN link properly, you would notice that it (partially) supports the premise that 'Iran probably did it to themselves' as you phrases it. Let me know if you need help finding the relevant section of the article you linked to.
A threat to humanity.
Actually, a lot of NATO countries covertly tortured people for telling the truth about 9/11. Surveillance and sabotage just wasn't enough for the intelligence services within NATO 10 years ago. Today everyone but the most naive and stupid have figured out that an official story which requires gravity to make massive steel beams fall up does not hold water. Yes, official 9/11 government story can only be true if gravity sometimes makes things fall up. Feel free to keep calling people who understand this "crackpots", I'm fine with it. Most people have figured it out by now and I don't see much hope for those who still don't get it.
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation
HQ of "Juden Control!" - Trust me: We all KNOW you're correct. History shows us that. Why'd you *think* every nation they ever INFESTED kicked them the FUCK out, every single time, all thru history? Or is Germany, France, Poland, Spain, Egypt, (& other nations throughout history who have outsted the Jew) "insane"? No sir. FAR from it! They merely attempted to rid themselves of a HUMAN VIRUS & tried to ISOLATE it, by stealing Palestinian lands + gave it to Jews to keep them in 1 spot. Can't work. Jews can't rip off other jews is why. Part of their own religious cult's beliefs/tenets, very fundamental. So they have to SPREAD to another place & pull their thieving crap! They are a HUMAN VIRUS, & one that continually goes from nation to nation robbing it of its gold/wealth, systematically, done all throughout human history (the ONLY way a Jew can be 'controlled', is to show him GOLD! It's like putting cheese in front of rats). History alone shows you 1 thing: They are a FUCKING THIEVING DISEASE, a human virus. Of course the JUDENS here will downmod your truth. Can't have THAT getting out, now can we? Again no. The pitiful thing here is, this: EVERYONE KNOWS IT anyhow. Subvert the right to free speech with "hate crimes", lol... talk about OBVIOUS they're scared shitless then too. They bring it on THEMSELVES, everytime, and wonder why! Ah, yes - those ovens are JUST heating up now again people (and the eternal international "YOOD" knows it & the yood reactions shows it, right there, trying to stop others from talking about their international crookery and control schemes). They infest certain areas, every time: Communications/Presses, Mass-Media, Law, Politics, and Finance/Money/Banking. These are KEY areas for them. They repeatedly repeat that very pattern constantly. Why on earth do you think they infest other nations to do it too? Well, they're full of non-jews/goyim! A jew is not allowed to rip off another Jew, so they go where non-jews aren't, gang up on them (like the natural born cowards skulking in the shadows they've ALWAYS been), and underprice them out of business via their competing business funded by the jew collective. Then, when the competitor is destroyed, they jack up prices to USURIOUS SHYLOCK AMOUNTS, for more "power & control", via Gold (their TRUE "God"). They're pitfully transparent and stupid. Yes, and that is what they have the nerve/gall to think of YOU, the non-jew, in fact (when they themselves evidence utter stupidity if not insanity). So, Why? Alrightie then - simple: They don't LEARN BY MISTAKES they continually make, and yes, that makes them STUPID "yoodz", nothing more! Anyone or anything that keeps repeating the SAME mistakes over and over thru history as the YOOD has, expecting different results? Is truly, insane, or yes, just stupid. Take your pick. Their very money-grubbing GREEDY thievish nature does them in, every single time. They are UNABLE to control that in-born thievishness/nature (making them no more than greedy animals), and think others are STUPID (since they're not YOODZ), and it does them in, every single time, since they're arrogant power hungry 2" penis bearing JUDEN SLIME that without their gold? They have ZERO and wouldn't even be able to reproduce without whores they BUY with that gold to do so (and, they themselves, know it, and are afraid that you know it too). In the end? You are 100% correct. We ALL know it. Funniest part, again, is that the YOOD knows we do too. Can't hide it anymore thanks to guys like Snowden. Look at "Herr Juden's" reactions altering laws, subverting the freedom of speech itself via political CONTROL (their PRIME objective). Modding you down counts there also. They tell ALL. Reactions, always do.
"Not that this is news"
More anti-snowden propaganda.
Confirmation of what was formerly a conspiracy theory most certainly IS news.
See Edward Snowden
Very curious. By disclosing information that would be seen as traditional intelligence operations, the idea that Snowden is a whistleblower becomes more undermined (thus losing credibility in the eyes of his supporters). The Stuxnet/Israel link has previously been disclosed, so this is not news. But interestingly, this information is published as an interview through Spiegel, a news source that has so far been completely silent on the Snowden revelations. Yet, neither the Washington Post nor the Guardian have one word posted about this. And unlike the other releases, there aren't documents to support the claims. Did Snowden really give that interview to Spiegel? Or is just an attempt to undermine his credibility? Very curious indeed...
" Take the Tempora program of the British intelligence GCHQ for instance. Tempora is the first "I save everything" approach ("Full take") in the intelligence world. It sucks in all data, no matter what it is, and which rights are violated by it. This buffered storage allows for subsequent monitoring; not a single bit escapes. Right now, the system is capable of saving three days’ worth of traffic, but that will be optimized."
Three days today, three years tomorrow, and three decades next week...
The U.S. government is EXTREMELY corrupt.
Answer = Talmud + jew beliefs on non-jews/goyim http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T3R0CSB6LGV5MVHE6/p3 - Disprove that from jews' talmud that speak more for those you attack in their favor. Explain why jews are historically/globally kicked nation to nation worldwide in history? You can't. Jews help make "hate crime" (spelled sideways = obliterations of the right to free speech) possible! Clearcut case of trying to hide truths and weakly projecting a tool they themselves use (hence mass media + communications control on their parts every time in every nation). Cutting off the tool jews use themselves: Free speech. So by the same token, what about what jews themselves believe of non-jews out of their own talmud shown in the link above then? Do yourself a giant favor - Don't try to 'outsmart' me Jude: History shows many nations have outright kicked you out before because of jew beliefs largely noted in the link above as well as systematic thievery impoverishing nations you temporarily resided in worldwide. History itself easly shows us that jews do themselves in, everywhere you go, every single time. You don't learn by your mistakes. You are obviously too weak in character racially/genetically to overcome your thieving cowardly natures. Repeating the same mistakes over and over expecting different results proves your culture is insane by definition. Easily. History and your beliefs in the link above speak for themselves and your cult: You're a human virus that many nations through history have outright ejected - Explain that. Yes, I suppose now you're just going to try to tell us the nations I cited that kicked jews out are all insane, and only jews aren't? Good luck. I guess you couldn't buy up enough printing presses to stop history's truths, eh? LOL! All that gold isn't helping vs. truth, now is it? NO sir. Especially after reading that link above. It's going to be hard to explain away jews can't rip off scam other jews so they go worldwide infesting others nations in order to continue to do so to non-jews they literally view as slaves/cattle and made Israel an "international city" so they could do the same there to non-jews, yet again, also. It's truly hilarious seeing you reduced to failed attempts at attacking myself (and yet you won't answer a simple question, and, you obviously can't explain away your own reprehensible beliefs!)
Snowden please go a head and tell on yourself, and everybody else, we are all so tired of this shit. But any conscious brother knows about government spyware, being even in your toilet and the games they play to regulate the internet before some real hacker does. huh...
Can only imagine we'll read this next...
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you." --Oscar
Casteism
nicely rebutted dude
right said fred, if it was previously established that israhell did the virus thing, then why weren't they invaded and taught a lesson