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The CIA Wants To Know How To Control the Climate
Taco Cowboy writes " The CIA is currently funding, in part, a $630,000 study on geoengineering, the science of using experimental techniques to modify Earth's climate. Scientists will study how humans might influence weather patterns, assess the potential dangers of messing with the climate, and investigate possible national security implications of geoengineering attempts. The study calls for information on two geoengineering techniques in particular, 'solar radiation management (SRM),' which refers to launching material into Earth's atmosphere to try and block the Sun's infrared radiation, limiting global temperature rise; and 'carbon dioxide removal (CDR),' taking carbon dioxide emissions out of the climate, which scientists have proposed doing through a variety of means, from structures that eat air pollution to capturing carbon emissions as they come out of smokestacks."
Hmm.
more sequester, more sequester. they still have too much money.
The most obvious answer is always the one (almost) never thought of or mentioned: stop polluting the planet.
Global warming is real. Now if the Department of Transportation starts digging lots of holes in the ground then I guess well also know the meteor is coming...
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I just wonder why the funding is coming from the CIA. Surely having another US Government organisation providing the money would be less controversial.
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I'm glad someone's finally investing some real money into the study of mitigating climate change, but I'm really disappointed that it's those evil shits at the CIA. If there's one thing you can be damn sure of it's that they won't be using this technology responsibly or ethically. Assuming this isn't just a go-nowhere boondoggle to suck up government money, they will be looking at it purely in terms of weaponisation:
"Hey, Kumquatistan just elected a moderate socialist government who is refusing our unreasonable WTO demands. Let's put those uppity little fuckers back in their place. Harry, call up the news channels and tell them to start painting the Kumquatis as evil fascist communist muslim atheist pedophile terrorists who deserve everything they get. Dave, you set the climate machine to 'severe deadly drought' and point it at the Kumquati's agricultural heartland, they're about to have themselves a little famine."
Goes hand in hand with rising populations, particularly in Africa and SE Asia. As populations continue to grow in these regions, ever more pressure will be put on food production. Food production has to effectively quadruple in the next fifty years. Those who master Geo-engineering technologies will be best suited to survive the increasingly hostile planet. In respect to the CIA, processing these technologies will provide leverage with foreign governments, to maintain the balance of power, maintain alliances, and create new ones.
I thought they used HAARP to control the weather
Since the use of "ad trap" tactics (CIA... Geoengineering... success!) are usual nowdays in Slashdot:
The study is commissioned by the National Academy of Sciences (http://www8.nationalacademies.org/cp/projectview.aspx?key=49540) and their spokesperson states that the study is not designed to test any geoengineering methods or experiment with any findings whatsoever, but rather "assess the current state of knowledge about several geoengineering techniques," and use the findings to inform "future discussions" about their use, and the CIA's involvement "begins and ends with its financial contributions.", CIA is only funding a portion of this study, with the rest provided by NOAA, NASA, and the National Academy of Sciences itself.", the study sponsors, including the CIA, only address the committee in charge of the study once, at the beginning, and "do not correspond with the committee or provide any further input into the study. They receive a final, independently peer-reviewed report with the study's findings at the end of the project", "one of the objectives of the study is to discuss the possible national security concerns that might arise should geoengineering techniques be deployed (expected or unexpectedly), either by a private entity or another country.".
If only we had a solar powered carbon sink, that you could put somewhere and leave for 20 years, then come harvest it for a resource to build buildings and create heat? If only they also made oxygen helped nature and looked good on the horizon.
To divert the sun's rays
Plant the entire Sahara with trees and worldwide climate will change.
The CIA sounds a lot like the COBRA of the 1980s all of a sudden.
This being the CIA and all, to me this sounds like an investigation whether they can use geo-engineering as an offensive weapon themselves. You know, stop all the rains in your enemy's country and watch that country collapse without any "human" casualties.
If an experiment works, something has gone wrong.
How about finding a way to eliminate our dependence on crude oil?
The West would be so much stronger, if it weren't us having to pay jizya to those crude savages in the Middle East.
Oil dependence is about Muslim domination and arrogant Muslim economic power, creeping cultural imperialism, and keeping us weak. How about we kick the oil habit, so we can kick the barbarians to the kerb?
Don't do it! We know ice ages can come on in as little as a few years. All it takes is one extra cool summer where the snow pack doesn't fully melt and so much energy gets reflected back into space the next winter is severe and even more snow builds up. It's a local attractor in chaos theory, or a stable local minimum on the energy gradiant space.
With warming, moving in from the sea over 100-300 years: irritation but nobody dies, and lives continue to improve anyway thanks to technology.
Accidentally inducing an ice ace, billions die in a few years and much of society collapses, dictatorships, and lives of those who remain stop improving and start degrading.
Don't do it.
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Consider this: since our economy is based on carbon fuels (renewable sources are very small), every dollar (or euro or yuan) goes into creating carbon emissions.
0. If you buy stuff or services, where does the money go?
1. To the seller (20%) - who pays for stuff (goto 0), services (goto 0), and fuel (heat, electricity, personal transportation - carbon emissions)
2. To the distributer (20%) - who pays for stuff (goto 0), services (goto 0), and fuel (heat, electricity, transportation - carbon emissions)
3. To the shipper (5%) - of which most goes to fuel (carbon emissions), and the rest goes for stuff (goto 0), and services (goto 0)
4. To the producer (55%)
5. And the producer pays for wages for people [to buy stuff (goto 0), services (goto 0), fuel (heat, electricity, manufacturing - carbon emissions)] and raw materials [which used carbon-based fuels for extraction/mining/refinement/etc. and results in carbon emissions]
With the industrial revolution switch from human power to machine power, the entire economy is based on us paying for energy. The root of all transactions are to pay for fuel. Nobody "pays" for crop growth or minerals - dollars don't flow to mother nature or the ruler of the earth as a dead-end, just to the people who use energy to promote growth or extract minerals. If the economy were based entirely on real/near-time solar sources (sun, wind, hydro) and nuclear, that would be a different equation as all roads wouldn't lead to carbon emissions. But even buying a solar panel or windmill is non-green, as current technology spends as much in fossil fuel to mine, refine, produce, distribute, install, and maintain the equipment as you get back in power.
Now, that kind of sucks, but it does offer insight into how to *truly* reduce carbon emissions, and that is to minimize your lifecycle costs for everything. Being efficient *is* being green if you're at the end-user point where you cannot control the mix of energy production sources. If you are at the energy producer level (which is almost none of us), you can control carbon emissions through the selection of source - coal, oil, nat gas. (I leave out nuclear and solar, as they are simply purchasers of carbon-based materials like the rest of us, and I leave out fiber incineration/contemporary organics as that's primarily an oil-based source as oil is used for promotion, harvest, and transportation).
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Next they will contact the Harvard astrophysicist who asserted that all the gold on earth was formed from 2 dead stars colliding. Imagine how wealthy they could become, we could return to the gold standard.
Makes me think of the Animatrix: The Second Renaissance Part II... "the destruction of the sky"
.., be scared now. The CIA, really?! You _know_, absolutely and without doubt, that they are doing this with the intent of hurting someone or more likely, a whole bunch of someones.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Let's say run a company with 2 million employees and you have a departments which specialize in graphic design for the company, including the best and brightest with all the technology and creativity at their fingertips. Accounting doesn't get to hire an outside firm to design their new departmental logo.
The US already has a department for this - NOAA. If the CIA want's this kind of data, they need to go ask NOAA for it, not spend 2/3 of a million dollars on some contractor to put together a useless fluff piece based on simple regression of public NOAA data (which is all 630k will buy you in the gov't contracting market).
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
CIA? Must be a money washing excuse.
Read "Planet Earth - The Latest Weapon of War" by Rosalie Bertell
It presents a nice summary of the level of atmospheric experiment that's gone on since the Cold War -- and no, not in some conspiracy nut fashion.
It was bound to catch up with us sooner or later.
The most obvious answer is always the one (almost) never thought of or mentioned: stop polluting the planet.
- Develop cold fusion.
- Replace polluting energy sources by unlimited fusion energy.
- Use unlimited energy to reverse the polluting mechanisms (carbon scrubbing).
Some times I wonder how bad is the player that's managing Humans in the intergalactic strategy game. Somewhere there's a civilization that made a fusion rush and are now conquering their galaxy.
Maybe we're the AI set to Dumb.
This reminds me eerily of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.O.S._Meteors:_Mortimer_in_Paris
....for a fee. Just frak for oil and natural gas, and you have your earthquake. Send another $630,000 my way. Thanks.
$630k is like pop-machine change in government terms.
$80,000 writing the proposal for funding
$170,000 for 17 interns to edit it
$60,000 for 3 admins to bang the interns during "late night editing sessions"
$3000 for abortions
$200,000 the inevitable hush-money to the interns
$310,000 for the multimedia presentation of the project to admins.
No, it doesn't add up to $630k. This is GOVERNMENT. Having the numbers match up costs extra.
-Styopa
Given man's track record to royally fsck stuff up before truly understanding the big picture I think we should be adapting before modifying.
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
I refuse to divulge my secrets to climate control!
Proposals and discussions about "weaponizing the weather [salon.com]" go back (in the US) to the 1950's. I can even remember the Castro regime complaining about US manipulation of hurricanes (to hit Cuba).
The CIA is turning into Cobra, "a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world"*...
Today the Weather Dominator... tomorrow the MASS Device... and then the world**!!!!
Where's a Real American Hero*** when we need one?
* even their names share similarities. Add two "o" (one connected to the "I" of CIA) and the letter "r" and what do you have?
** although arguably they are working in reverse... they already have "the world" in their clutches, they have the basic tech for the MASS Device - quantum teleportation - already, so now they just need control of the weather!
*** Action Force for our foreign friends
Serenity?
Modifying earth and space for the benefit of mankind. Does anyone remember the West Ford project?
My first thought when reading this: So, the CIA has realized climate change could be a problem in the future. It sounds like the CIA is putting together a research group tasked with looking at alternatives if existing methods for reducing pollution don't end up working or if we can't get enough of the population to buy into them. For that matter, I've seen reports that global warming is irreversible. If that's true, shouldn't we be looking into these alternatives?
Why are they not studying the effects of air traffic? This is also a known modifier of the weather, so why not study what happens when you ban certain routes or move major ones? While it might raise airline prices (possibly only short term) it seems less damaging than spraying shit into the air or sequestering CO2.
Shouldn't this be a project(s) funded by the NSF? Just because it might have national security implications doesn't mean the CIA's role should be expanding into scientific research.
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Before we can control something, we have to understand it well enough to be able to predict it accurately. Despite all the supercomputers in use for weather system modelling, we can't do that. Unless and until we can, trying to modify the weather systems is suicidally dangerous. Not just to people in the area, but to people around the globe affected by the larger pattern of the systems.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
It's as easy as hiring Halle Berry as a NOC.
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So the CIA would like to have at their disposal those scientists in the Flint movie who controlled the world's climate using volcanoes. Kidding aside, the "I" doesn't seem to stand for "Intelligence" any more. (More like "Incompetence", IMHO.) Hell, they can't even figure out who the good guys are before toppling foreign governments; what chance do they have in managing the planet's climate?
Seeing as how the Earth's climate has been getting changed by humans for quite some time already (climate change deniers kindly take a flying leap) -- and without our even realizing it for most of that time -- any efforts to change things back to what they were (to the state before we tried burning in the shortest time possible all the fossil fuels we could lay our hands on) would likely fail. Look at how long it took us to figure out that the climate has been warming. Now guess what time frame it would take to figure out that "Crap! This method of climate change reversal didn't work." And during that time what are the odds that the attempt made things worse.
Probably the best thing we could do is to continue to use fossil fuels for only for as long as it takes to replace the vast majority of our power generation to renewable methods (after all, we'll need some kind of power source to allow the manufacture of wind turbines, batteries, solar cells, etc.) and then stop using them altogether.
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Sometime in the future.... a gigantic European-American meteorological research station "The Florida Arklab" circles the earth with a crew of two men. Equipped with high-tech machinery, Max Marek, scientist, and Billy Hayes, chief technician, are in charge of global weather forecasts and climate control. Realizing that the radiation to which the capsule is exposed has become incalculable, scientists and politicians on earth are inclined to shut the station down. When a local conflict in the Middle East gets out of control and the American and the Russian fleets converge in the Indian Ocean, the CIA decides to exploit the stations abilities for military purposes. Marek, realizing the devastating effects this climatic manipulation would cause for large areas on earth, - without the knowledge of his colleague Hayes - tries to sabotage the computer program...
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
'tis very simple. to enter the realm of climate control wizards one has to follow a strike set of rules:
eat your vegetables. don't lie. don't steal. don't kill. take you pet for a walk everyday. wash them once a month.
help the needy.
once you have lived by these rules strictly for 10 years you will be contacted by either a fairy
or mermaid. you will be put to some tests, the nature of which i cannot disclose because they
can not be explained in ordinary language.
so, good luck!
I don't see how *this* could end badly....... /sarcasm>
Hmm, the humour and sarcasm seem to have been be lost on you.
They will have to realize the uselessness of their organization and the likes of their organization. For the human mind/body is a powerful influencial system on nature, including climate.
Rain Dances and such are not without real effect.
This means that the CIA knows something that we don't yet. Perhaps they've received definitive proof that we're in or near a runaway global warming situation that needs to be stopped asap.
They're called trees
The CIA's job is NOT to spy and NOT be actively involved in operations, it is to RESEARCH and asses like an actual neutral think tank for elected officials (not that propaganda orgs we call think tanks today.) It was devised during FDR, who had way too much information every day that any single person could ever read fast enough let alone make assessments and decisions-- and staffers are not enough because they lack the expertise. It takes a larger staff. Unfortunately, when it was finally created, FDR was dead and Trueman wasn't the man for the job so it didn't turn out like it should have.
Given the denial of reality going on in the USA, one can't see such work being done in collaboration with other nations, or by any other means than by putting it under security or military. I can totally see some Republican opposing anything related to the climate because "man can't change the weather" but completely in support of weaponizing the weather and being unaware of the contradiction.
Even an extremely ignorant leader who doesn't value fact MUST rely upon a large supporting staff and they don't or in many cases can't perform their jobs likewise.
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[snark] Comrades, you disgust me! Obviously, you have been insufficiently attentive in your political theory classes! Almost two hundred comments on a story involving the class enemies at the CIA, and not one mention of the military-industrial complex. Please report to State Camp 1984 for political re-education. Those of you how railed about the evils of corporations and capitalism can look forward to a relatively brief stay, but the rest of you appear to be hopeless reactionaries if not outright enemies of the people. Appropriate steps must be taken. [/snark]
Anyone read "Century Rain"? In that story, "smart weather" nanobots end up evolving past their design and consuming every living animal on the planet. I think the trees and plants survived, though.
to what degree? there are several ways to control claimate. some have side effects , some have stable geographical influences ,druids,preists,retired scientist, masons, budist ,when,
short term or long term. some maybe protected by repatitionous numeralogical religious-science for metaphysical solarsystem balance
i mean why would someone really want to go there. this might be a question for Templars
i could only under stand if it were to benefit the the planet but history has proven that to be a myth so if anyone were to know how, what
where,and in sequence for specific or random outcome. I would prefer the method that calls for Global Geographical Reenginering, so everyone benifits
This was covered in the movie 'Storm'.
...was in Managua, Nicaragua, the day before the earthquake?
Prove to me CIA or any other large agency with a related purpose isn't made up of creatures similar to those featured in this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/
Is that something quite like it might actually be going on!
I myself would have thought it insane not too long ago, but the way world leaders are systematically and purposely messing up the planet with flouride, GMOs, cancer adjuvants, and so many other things that seem meant for the specific purpose of destroying the human population, it doesn't make any sense to any rational human being. But what if this is being carried out for other-than human beings? What if they really DO want us all dead, so they can take the world for themselves?
The other creepy thing is that this same theme has played out in so many other movies.. "They Live," "Body Snatchers," "Oblivion," it's all basically the same thing. And you look at the Bilderbergers and what they are doing, and how it is becoming more and more apparent that there is a globalist "elite" that really pulls the strings out there, and we seem to hear that they are worshiping demons and such, but that they have an odd code of honor that they must tell people what they are going to do before they do it... this makes these films all the creepier. Are they a message? Maybe.
Listen to David Icke. He will sound like an absolute fruit loop at first, but more and more of what he says is beginning to make sense.
discussion -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/board/threads/
movie -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115571/
The Arrival ((1996))
Just a cover story for an order to "make it rain".
This is why I love the intelligence agencies when they're not circumventing the Constitution. Who else is going to do this funded, serious minded and unhindered by human piece of shit cum white trash like Ken Cuccinelli A.G. of Virgina ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_of_Virginia's_climate_science_investigation
People go bananas when the NSA oversteps its constitutional authority, as it appears to have done, because they fear a corrupt police state in which there are no civil rights. But what do you think is going to happen when climate change starts wiping out the world's ecosystem starting , say, from the oceans and working upwards?
If you're worried about the integrity of your government, about the preservation of your civil liberties and the preservation and advancement of civil society generally then consider that the environment is what all that ultimately rests upon, not whether or not the NSA is a serially panty sniffer in need of an intervention, which, it's probably true, they are.
Guys, this crap has been going on a loooong time. We've been a part of this 'study' for years. It's already showing its effects and the interweaving of it is quite monstrous. http://youtu.be/jf0khstYDLA
If this isn't proof that they've been doing it all along, I don't know what is. Just like "never believe the government is doing something until it's been officially denied", officially asking for funding to overtly engage in a projec such as thist, means their cover has been blown, after doing it covertly for possibly years...
Why don't they just contract out to Dr. Evil or any other arch-Villian? I'm sure one of them has a weather control machine.
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contracting the chinese govt? they have an ongoing program.
"But we do know it was us that scorched the sky."