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Researchers Implant False Memories In Mice
sciencehabit writes "Call it 'Total Recall' for mice. A group of neuroscientists say that they've identified a potential mechanism of false memory creation and have planted such a memory in the brain of a mouse. With this knowledge, neuroscientists can start to figure out how many neurons it takes to give us the perception of what's around us and what goes on in our neural wiring when we remember—or misremember—the past."
I know kung fu.
They hijacked the mouse's senses to perceive the room as a different one while being shocked, causing the mouse to be afraid of the wrong room. Interesting, but not a false memory.
Squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
Translation: Did I fall asleep?
It never really happened. Or did it?
"you are a chicken, you were born a chicken, and when you were but a little chick you watched a big spider with an orange body and green legs. You watched her build her web, then one day there's a big egg in it. The egg hatched and a hundred baby spiders came out... and you ate them all."
Deckard: Remember when you were six? You and your brother snuck into an empty building through a basement window. You were going to play doctor. He showed you his, but when it got to be your turn you chickened and ran; you remember that? You ever tell anybody that? Your mother, Tyrell, anybody? Remember the spider that lived outside your window? Orange body, green legs. Watched her build a web all summer, then one day there's a big egg in it. The egg hatched... ...and a hundred baby spiders came out... and they ate her.
Rachael: The egg hatched...
Deckard: Yeah...
Rachael:
So the mice thought they were supervising a computer program to find the ultimate question of Life the Universe and Everything
Well, so restarts the philosophical arguments raised after the original Matrix film came out. You "know" only what your sensory inputs tell you! Is your sensors are being spoofed, may it be a nice steak.
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
"Optogenetic reactivation of memory engram–bearing cells was not only sufficient for the behavioral recall of that memory, but could also serve as a conditioned stimulus for the formation of an associative memory"
Are they mocking Dianetics or legitimising it?
I remember reading about this technique as a way to make people forget about the horrible events that took place while Bill Gates was president by pretending that Clinton had a second term. Supposedly they'd even found a way to make the Windows login screen embed those memories with those `hidden moire flux' patterns. Oddly enough they've actually kept their word on keeping both the presidency and the moire patterns off of Wikipedia, but I doubt that anyone has forgotten...
I mean... just the look on the Spanish King's face during the state visit, or the vat of mayo... who can forget that?
Rekall rekall rekall!
The Internet King? I wonder if he could provide faster nudity.
Have any of you seen a fellow named Kuato around here?
I could have sworn that I already posted a clever reply to this story.
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that no-one is out to get you.
except mars would be a chocolate bar
Never antropomorphize computers, they do not like that
As with your economic stylings, this purported knowledge isn't going to last too well past the first encounter with reality. You should have listened to Moltke, not Marx.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
No.
The NSA are going to love this! Or maybe they already know how to do it and John Pointdexter and Oliver North really meant it when they kept saying "I have no clear recollection of that." at the Iran Contra trial.
There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
Isn't this the mainly plot behind Pinky & the Brain?
I for one welcome our new mouse, memory implanted overlords.
Now when they can explain the mechanism for the occurance of false memories without having to put electrodes in one's brain that will be real news.
I remember seeing this story before.
Big deal. Politicians have been using this to the voters in order to get re-elected for decades. How else can some of them be doing it?
"I know it can be done.. because i have done it before... on a mouse."
corrected subtitle.
So, how long until some corp patents the Persuadertron from Syndicate?
Doesn't the human brain already do that, we create a false memory in order to solve things. I think it's called thinking.
Get your ass to mars!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I think those arguments predate that movie. If we have to limit ourselves to movies any self-respecting nerd would be quoting Dark Star Yein Group Properties http://www.yegingroup.com/
didn't I already read this bit of news about humans?
So how do you ask "Who cut the cheese supply to Station C?" in mouse?
When we can fully manipulate the minds of human beings, they'll be able to turn all you atheists into jug-band playing, television contribution pandering, Bible thumping fundamentalist Christians.
And the best part is you won't even remember you were atheists. Shit, we could have 100% church attendance in five years.
Ain't science a bitch?
By the way, this story is a load of shit. They didn't "implant" memories. They tried to activate memories previously memorized, and they ended up with only circumstantial evidence it worked.
But that's okay. Give it ten years and there will be no such thing as the human self any more. Some benevolent scientist will flip a few switches and make you into whatever the hell they want.
That's what the sparring scene in the dojo construct was about: allowing Neo's brain to adapt the generic martial arts programs to his own body.
Dianetics appears to use "engram" to refer to what a mainstream psychologist might describe as engrams of trauma that contribute to PTSD.
"Get your ass to Mars."
Your comment isn't quite there, Rachel was a replicant. Not just her dreams but her very DNA were artificial.
From the "Dream On" episode:
Beavis: "But Master, does not the fire need water too? Does not the mountain need the storm? Does not your scrotum need kicking?"
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
If memories can be implanted from outside, then education can be delivered this way, and the services of unionized teachers will no longer be necessary...watch for them to oppose this research and make several ad-hominem attacks on it.
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
Finally, it makes sense how that little bugger learned how to cook!
That's not right. That's not even wrong.
So THAT'S who moved my cheese!
I need to obey.
The matrix!? Try Aristotle. The Wachowski siblings do not have the collective capacity to even come close to the thoughts of millenia dead philosophers.
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Implanting false memories to prevent the mice realising they were really secret agents on Mars.
One of them was even Arnold Schwartzenegger.
i for one am thankful for this new tool in the worlds struggle against the house of mouse and it's plans to enslave us all into happy happy pg lives.
Actually methods provided strongly resembles same that are used in NLP. Watch some of Darren Brown's shows and you'll see. :D
For ex. look at one of the methods used - anchoring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_neuro-linguistic_programming#Techniques)