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Chinese Firm Huawei In Control of UK Net Filters
AmiMoJo writes "The BBC reports that Huawei, one of the world's largest manufacturers of telecoms equipment, is controlling popular ISP TalkTalk's web censorship system. The system, known as Homesafe, was praised by Prime Minister David Cameron. Customers who do not want filtering still have their traffic routed through the system, but matches to Huawei's database are dismissed rather than acted upon. In other words there is no opt-out. Mr Cameron has demanded similar measures be adopted by all internet service providers (ISPs) in the UK, to 'protect our children and their innocence.'"
If anyone knows how to filter internet traffic, it's the Chinese.
Oh look, another company to whom I've entered into a commercial agreement with that now has a right to my entire browsing history and "public metadata". Super.
I sure hope all countries adopt this system soon! I just can't seem to figure out why my bank converted all my currency to yuan...
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
The legal question, is filtered internet access really internet access. There is a technical definition of the internet defining packets DNS lookup and routability. I don't think a filtered internet access fully qualifies as internet access.
This could lead to legal challenges as the service providers are not selling true internet access. They are selling something else.
It's our own government and citizens spying on us.
So do the chinese get to filter before or after the americans intercept?
AG
I don't think what you think "internet access" is really matters.
They simply state your "access" is given as allowed by law, blah blah blah. Done.
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'protect our children and their innocence.'"
Nonsense. Children are not innocent. Children are nasty, often cruel, little monsters in need of constant correction. "Innocent", in its original ( Latin ) sense, means "not (ob)noxious". Children are anything except "not (ob)noxious".
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
And this is why "common carrier" status is a useful concept.
Give me the line, untampered? Then what I do on it is my responsibility.
Give me the line, supposedly filtered? Then what I do on it is your responsibility, since it's your job to save me from myself.
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... as they are basically a ministry of the Chinese government.
U.S. lawmakers seek to block China Huawei, ZTE U.S. inroads
"Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, at a press conference to release the report, said companies that had used Huawei equipment had reported "numerous allegations" of unexpected behavior, including routers supposedly sending large data packs to China late at night."
-- Insert witty one-liner here. --
'Yeah good morning, I'd like the porn filter on my broadband turned off, please?'
'What, are you some kind of PERVERT?'
'Yeah good morning, I'd like the porn filter on my broadband turned off, please?' 'What, are you some kind of PERVERT?'
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Because nothing motivates a young boy to learn how to defeat technological filters than the promise of a nearly limitless supply of porn on the other side of those filters.
TalkTalk's Homesafe service is pretty good at blocking the pr0n, firearms, alcohol, tobacco, etc. sites. You can change what sub-categories of sites to allow through (I allowed Alcohol as I have business interests in a brewery). HomeSafe is also optional - you have to opt-IN to it. So, the headline here is what, exactly? A product that claims to filter the Web for you actually does what it's supposed to do? It's my home network, I can choose what I want to allow onto it, surely? The fact that it's Chinese also smacks of racism - I mean, the NSA and my own poxy government have already read my emails and tracked my phone calls. They're not Chinese. Everything in my life that uses electricity now is made in China.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules.
The filtering allegedly works by checking every URL that you visit for porn (I've no idea how); if porn is found, not only are you blocked from seeing the URL, but it is also added to a blacklist.
The point of the article is that this checking is being done for everyone, even if they don't want filtering. So the ISP is, in effect, compiling a list of the URLs visited by their customers who do not want to be filtered.
And that list is being compiled on hardware that is alleged to be under the control of a foreign, potentially hostile, government.
Wrong.
Right. Read. The. Fucking. Article.
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Cameron is just trying to motivate the young to learn technology. Tell a 12 year old boy his reward is porn and he'll learn how to bypass those filters in no time flat.
I've always thought about doing something similar with my own kid. Steadily increase the completeness of the filters until he has taught himself how to get around all of them. As of now, he's more interested in Elmo.
Stage 1 - Proxy Settings
Stage 2 - DNS filters
Stage 3 - Net Nanny
Stage 4 - Deep packet at the router level
Stage 5 - ?
I can't understand why ISPs are supportive of this. Maybe they think they have to be or will face massive negative publicity from hate-mongering newspapers. Inevitably they will fail to make the filters watertight and circumvention methods will become common knowledge, resulting in bad publicity anyway. The government will threaten to crack down* on them, customers will sue for failure to babysit their children for them etc.
* unless cracking down is banned after it becomes a filter-dodging euphemism for face sitting.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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'Yeah good morning, I'd like the porn filter on my broadband turned off, please?' 'What, are you some kind of PERVERT?'
And a year or three in the future...
"May it please the court, the state would like to introduce into evidence that the suspect did, in blatant disregard of the welfare of children everywhere, demand that his Internet service provider to remove all child-abuse protection filters from his account."
You missed the point. Cameron wants all ISPs to have this filtering, and will make it mandatory if they don't. The filtering will be outsourced to the lowest bidder, which in this case was Huawei. Chances are it will always be Huawei or some other foreign company.
The operators of the filter have full access to everything every subscriber does online. Everything has to pass through their filter, even if you ask for it to be turned off. All of your traffic is routed through equipment owned and run by Huawei, a company known to have strong ties with the Chinese government. Huawei set the content of the filters too, which is of course secret. You don't think they are going to publish a list of URLs for you to scrutinize do you?
Government mandated filtering outsourced to foreign low bidder companies that have access to all your traffic even if you turn the filter off. And by the way, you can't turn the filter off completely anyway.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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The fault is certainly not with Huawei, however unlike MI5 it is for hire... They are a company closely affiliated with the chinese government and suspected as a tool to push it's agenda. You can't hire MI5 nor would any other country want to. Huawei is effectively a company that is controlled by an "MI5" That you could hire ignorantly... which is the case here.
Also factually speaking, it is known that Huawei networking hardware has come preloaded with backdoors in the past. That alone should be enough to discount them as a trustworthy supplier for equipment at an ISP.
Obviously the real problem is with prudes who hope that no one will ever be able to look at porn or enjoy sex again, but I do really wish more people would think of the other side and realize that stripping rights away that our children would otherwise grow into is just not worth it.