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Ubuntu Edge Smartphone Funding Trends Low

alphadogg writes "The first heady rush of support for Canonical's crowd-funded Ubuntu Edge smartphone appears to have tapered off, as donations for the eye-catching device have slowed substantially over the past several days. The project sits just above the $7 million mark at the time of this writing – a large sum by the standards of crowd-funded projects, to be sure, but the $32 million goal is still a long way off. The Edge is slightly, but measurably, behind schedule – by about $600,000, according to a tracking graph made by Canonical's Gustavo Niemeyer. However, there's speculation that wealthy Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth might contribute some of his personal fortune to the project." The campaign has already broken records with its spectacular first few days. I hope that Shuttleworth does kick in to make production feasible, because the idea and the design are impressive — but I'm leery of spending quite so much on any phone.

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  1. Shuttleworth by mknewman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Shuttle worth has already said that he will not buy up unsold units, as that defeats the idea of crowd sourcing. Some of his ideas will make it into mainstream phones in a few years. BTW I bought 2.

    1. Re:Shuttleworth by Xicor · · Score: 4, Informative

      they wont ever be for sale. these are all limited edition. assuming they meet the 32M goal... it WILL be a superphone... if they dont meet the 32M goal, there will be no phones at all, and everyone gets their money back.

    2. Re:Shuttleworth by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      The phone will never exist, if they get their $32M I am almost certain the phones they ship will look nothing like their current plans. It will be budget device at a super phone price. This is due to their very low volume.

    3. Re:Shuttleworth by Xicor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      that would be a really stupid business move on canonical's part. it wont be a budget phone, because they have no reason for it to be one. we arent buying phones here, we are funding the production of a limited edition superphone, which will be the basis for years to come. we are all tired of budget phones... instead of being a pessimist, you should fund the project and hope that it changes the market and we will be able to buy decently powerful phones at some point in the next decade.

    4. Re:Shuttleworth by Xicor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you are such a pessimist, lol... they cant do that, everyone in the linux world would hate them for it. if they realize later during production that they cant do it with just the 32M, canonical will front the rest to realize its goals.

    5. Re:Shuttleworth by Burz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It behooves us to also consider whether Shuttleworth's track record and vision are impacting the level of enthusiasm. The Ubuntu desktop isn't exactly a breathtaking achievement in the eyes of most computer users. I use it daily, and I like some of the changes they are making in BAU for Linux desktops. But Unity is a dog's breakfast just laying there waiting to slip-up users as soon as they step foot over the threshold.

      The other major fault from the standpoint of the consumer is they are still a "distro" and as such have what I call distro-itis. They are expected to sit in front of Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora/etc and think, "Hey I'm using Linux!" Then comes the inevitable schooling on different package formats, staying away from apps not coded for your "flavor"s UI toolkit and DE, and the lovely excuses about regression defects causing visual, audio and even keyboard failures are fault of "upstream, not us". I'm dealing with one such keyboard failure in the Ubuntu 13.04 lock screen now, on a Linux certified Thinkpad no less. (Keyboard failures I've had with Windows and Mac over the decades are absolutely zero.)

      If I were to give advice to anyone wanting to create a consumer-level OS using FOSS, I would tell them to regard the existing software base as a "gift" of sorts, but by all means take full responsibility for the vision and finished product. And also banish "Linux" from any marketing description of the OS: When I buy a car, I do not want to see the brand of transmission or fuel injectors mixed-in with the branding of my prospective vehicles... save that for the spec sheets.

    6. Re:Shuttleworth by waspbr · · Score: 2

      This is just baseless FUD. If it was an unknown company then yeah you might have a point. But Canonical is not unknown, nor is it going anywhere. In the AMA Shuttleworth promised to deliver a top of the line hardware, even if that would mean he would have to take care of extra costs himself. This phone is not going to be mass produced, which does mean that costs may be a bit higher but also there is more wiggle room for novel and expensive components. The phone is still cheaper than an iphone5,

    7. Re:Shuttleworth by Xicor · · Score: 2

      if shutteleworth says they will ship in may, they will ship in may. canonical is not an unknown company.... they have a lot of money, a lot of manpower, and a lot of innovation.

    8. Re:Shuttleworth by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      So instead of being a realist and knowing that without volume you can't get good SOCs, I should take a risk based on your dreams?

      I suspect you are under 25. Age tends to kill of those kinds of flights of fancy.

      At best case it will be like the Ouya, the SOC will be mediocre by the time it ships. They got their tegra 3 now that everyone else is shipping tegra 4 parts.

    9. Re:Shuttleworth by Clsid · · Score: 2

      Ubuntu is quite a big achievement in my opinion. Again, in my opinion it was the first truly easy to use distro and made it possible for a whole lot of people to use Linux that would not have touched it otherwise. That being said, I would install Ubuntu for other people since it is easier to manage when you have to be the support guy but in my case I still prefer Gentoo even if it makes me spend an ungodly amount of time just trying to make my freaking wireless card work.

    10. Re:Shuttleworth by Panaflex · · Score: 2

      Will the Ubuntu Edge be sustainable and/or hardware hackable?
      While we will do our best to keep the hardware as open as possible, these are not the main focus of the project in its first generation. Hardware that’s capable of convergence is the priority.

      What networks are supported?
      The Ubuntu Edge is an unlocked device that works in all countries with GSM/3G/LTE network services. For GSM, which covers a lot of countries but not all operators, the Edge will support the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 and 2100 MHz frequencies. You can check support in your country here.

      The Edge will support LTE standard frequencies and multi-band support for roaming. Yes, you can use the Edge on Verizon and Sprint.

      So no locked bootloader, but you will likely have to live with binary blobs also (like 99% of phones out there).

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      I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
  2. More about the ideal than the phone by Bradmont · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While this looks to be a great phone, the crowdfunding campaign is about a lot more than getting a cool phone; it's about proving an idea: that there is a market for special-run, innovative devices. If they succeed, they could seriously change the way phones are produced, and we could see an influx of really cool hardware projects in the future. This is important for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the opin hardware movement. While using open hardware is not a goal of this project, if they manage to succeed, we could see something similar for fully open smartphones not too far down the road. Shuttleworth said in his Reddit AMA that this might be an idea for the next iteration (though I wouldn't put too much stock in that). However, if the concept is proven, others could follow suit pretty quick. So, it's not so much $800 for a cool phone, but an $800 investment in the future of computing.

  3. Looks nice; way too expensive by sanosuke001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The design is interesting and I'd love a dual-boot android/ubuntu device but I can't spend $600, let alone $830 on a phone.

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    -SaNo
  4. No SD Card Slot? No thanks by tdp252 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The trend of omitting an SD Card slot so that people are funneled through cloud services is disappointing. I personally won't be buying any device where I am forced into being Cloud-walled.

  5. Re:Cheaper Options.... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    $800 would be fine, if I believed for a second the final device would be what they claim. I suspect they are aiming to high and at such low volume will not be able to get the parts they want.

    They should have made a small run of them to prove it could be done. If they had I would have already bought one.

    Or let us make a deposit and pay the rest if the described device actually ships.

  6. Serious Doubts on Canonical's Ability by Bollie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    RANT COMMENCING!

    I have serious doubts that Canonical is able to deliver on this: they do not have a history of delivering top-notch software, unless you count their press-releases and boundless enthusiasm as software.

    Aside from a few interesting things (upstart being among the few projects adopted outside of Ubuntu), they've basically decided to ignore whatever the rest of the community is doing and implement their own (buggy) stuff which is "better". Canonical's stuff makes GNOME3 look usable. That takes some doing.

    Aside from my doubts about their ability, I also find the concept deeply flawed. Cheap support infrastructure does not currently exist for a dockable phone. Sure, you can use it as a desktop, you just need to buy a dock that you carry around, or a dock for every desk you usually use. Sure, you can use it as a phone, you just need a bluetooth headset that you have to keep charged when you're using it as a desktop. Sure, it's dual-boot, it just means that you can't phone or use the desktop when you switch modes. Sure it can do all of the above, but you have no battery life.

    People who need to navigate and use their phone a lot tend to have TWO devices: a GPS or built-in satnav an a phone. Convergence is a great idea, but you're going to pay a lot in battery life for all those features. Running out of juice is NOT FUN these days.

    It appears Shuttleworth is trying to emulate companies like Apple, Microsoft and Google by doing the opposite of what used to be done in the spirit of Linux. The copyright clause in all Canonical software, Mir, forking GNOME into Unity and the doublespeak pouring out of the community spokesdrones have been in stark contrast to the early days of Debian, Slackware and open culture. Maybe he really believes he's Steve Jobs and Bill Gates reincarnated and rolled into one: I really think he's got the remorselessness of the one and the ruthlessness of the other.

    I believe Ubuntu has single-handedly done more to bring down the quality of Linux on the desktop than any other distro.

    I believe the reason Ubuntu is so successful is because of marketing. NOT because of technical quality. This is why I believe that the human race is getting stupider every year. Ah well.

    RANT CONCLUDED!

  7. Re:Cheaper Options.... by ssam · · Score: 2

    A small run would probably cost a huge amount more. These aren't components that you can buy individually. You need to be about place orders for thousands at a time.

  8. Re:Cheaper Options.... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    theres no reason not to buy one...

    There are a shit-ton of reasons to not buy, er, "pre-order" one.

    My reason: I've got better things to spend $700+ on than a non-existent device I have no use for.

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    An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
  9. Re:Cheaper Options.... by Rakishi · · Score: 2

    More to the point, making phones is hard and making good phones is even harder. Look at the issues apple has had with their new phones and Apple is, from what I've heard, some of the if not the best in the game in terms of hardware talent.

    I'd bet money they run into issues, start cutting corners and finally launch a buggy device that misses a number of features. Pretty standard really for a v1 if you think about it but not something I'd want to drop $800 for ahead of time especially without knowing what bugs and missing features there will be (ie: do I care about the particular short falls or not).

  10. Way Behind by Luthair · · Score: 4, Informative

    Strictly looking at the ratio of raised : goal doesn't tell the whole story for each of the past 3-days they've only earned 200k. If that trend continues (and imo it's more likely they will tail off further) they'll be ~12 million by the end of the campaign.

  11. Re:Cheaper Options.... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    > Why?

    The same reason Linux is unknown outside places like Slashdot.

    Marketing does matter. It doesn't matter how good your product is if it doesn't have some good sleazy salesmen out there hocking it. You will be eclipsed by the companies with money enough to buy ads or prime shelf space in retail.

    The world is not some idealized meritocracy.

    --
    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  12. Re:No SD Card Slot? No thanks by js_sebastian · · Score: 2

    The trend of omitting an SD Card slot so that people are funneled through cloud services is disappointing. I personally won't be buying any device where I am forced into being Cloud-walled.

    With 128GB of storage, you are hardly being forced to put your data in the cloud...

  13. Binary blobs by vargad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are talking about openness, open device, open source, but they plan to use closed source binary blobs. I can't see the point. I won't support this project, and no one should unless they produce truly open system.