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What's Stopping Us From Eating Insects?

Lasrick writes "Scientific American has a really nice article explaining why insects should be considered a good food source, and how the encroachment of Western attitudes into societies that traditionally eat insects is affecting consumption of this important source of nutrients. Good stuff." Especially when they're so easy to grow.

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  1. Good Question by MikeDataLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's all in our heads. We choose to eat some animals (like cows) and not others (like cats) because of cultural reasons. Same with insects.

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    1. Re:Good Question by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Funny

      We choose to eat some animals (like cows) and not others (like cats)...

      Speak for yourself; I find cat makes a fine goulash. Okay, well I might if I lived in Lousiana... :)

    2. Re:Good Question by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Funny

      in many places in the world, they walk their dog. in some places in asia, they wok their dog.

    3. Re:Good Question by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Informative

      in many places in the world, they walk their dog. in some places in asia, they wok their dog.

      It is believed among the first domesticated animal, raised for consumption were dogs.

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    4. Re:Good Question by DougOtto · · Score: 4, Funny

      I love cats. I just can't eat a whole one myself.

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    5. Re:Good Question by unique_parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think eating non-vegitarian animals is not a very clever idea.

    6. Re:Good Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They served as a dual purpose... dogs actually were a result of wolves domesticating themselves. The socialable wolves were not killed by humans as they hung out eating their scraps. The new dogs served as companions and were used as "reserve" food supply. Humans used to eat wild horses regularly, and later used them as a beast of burden AND a "reserve" food supply.

      Once you start having a relationship with something, you tend to want to avoid eating it, because you cannot undo it. So, you keep looking for another food source. Eventually, it becomes taboo.

    7. Re:Good Question by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Informative

      Spoiling the milk gets rid of all of the lactose that will give those Chinese the biggest bellyache and case of the runs they've ever had.

      That is why humans consume a wide variety of fermented milk products (not just cheese).

      Fermentation is not bad and it's not just limited to dairy.

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    8. Re:Good Question by Holi · · Score: 5, Informative

      I dunno, fish is healthy, and most fish we eat is not vegetarian.

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    9. Re:Good Question by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't cook any of my cats, but from the descriptions it seems like cat might be ok in a stew or soup. I have seen a few stories of cat consumption which tend to agree with this thought. In fact, most of the wikipedia headings on it seem to indicate stew is a common choice for those who eat cat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

      Overall though, I think this is part of why cats self-domesticated:

      1. We don't eat the same things they do... vermin tend to not be worth our time. They are not terribly good meat themselves, and also not really worth our time.
      2. They are not tasty nor worth our time in terms of meat:carcass ratio
      3. They don't eat the same things we do... they can't taste sugar and their need for lysine makes them obligate carnivores,
      4. They eat vermin who do eat the same things we do. Cats don't eat grain, but mice and rats do.
      5. They can't harm us beyond a scratch or a bite, which can mean infection and even loss of limb or death, but that isn't really the same issue; a cat in such a fight with a human is most likely going to lose badly and quickly.

      Throw in cuddly and warm, and its easy to see why cats and humans made natural, mutually beneficial, community, and why we let them move indoors with us.

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    10. Re:Good Question by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Funny

      no, you made up that last bit about "taboo" yourselves. Dogs on the menu at many places in the word, so are horses (FDA just added Mr. Ed to list by the way, my glue-eating classmates of 40+ years ago were clearly ahead of their time)

    11. Re:Good Question by cusco · · Score: 5, Informative

      When the Inca conquered a new people they left the religion and social structure more or less in place, but implemented a few new laws that superseded the existing laws.

      1) The Sun is the god of all gods, superior to whatever deities you already have
      2) The Inca is the king of all kings, superior to whatever ruler you already have
      3) No more sodomy (they wanted to increase population as quickly as possible
      4) Stop eating dogs

      We have three 'calatos', the Peruvian hairless dog (my wife's family has had one or more of these dogs continuously for at least 40 years). Wonderful animals, clean, loyal, no shedding, no fleas, affectionate, intelligent, pretty much everything you want in a dog. And since there's no hair they're easy to prepare for the oven.

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    12. Re:Good Question by smillie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Some of us have been eating insects for as long as we have owned motorcycles.

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    13. Re: Good Question by nebular · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Horse is a reserve food. Taste is secondary to usefulness. A horse can do a large amount of work, they are more useful on the yoke than on the table. Same with dog. Dogs are more useful as a work animal than a food animal. Cows, not so much. I can't think of too many situations where a cow would be best suited as a work animal. So we eat cows, same with most kinds of pig. Over time the cost benefit gets melded with some of the cultures and you get a social taboo.

    14. Re:Good Question by slaughts · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except the laces keep getting stuck in my teeth...

    15. Re: Good Question by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cows are work animals, though they are selectively bred for meat now. Try ploughing a field in a developing country where you can't afford kerosene for a tractor and then you'll appreciate the value of a cow!

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  2. LAND SHRIMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Insects taste like shrimp, crab, or lobster. It's just the cultural bias that keeps people from eating them.

    1. Re:LAND SHRIMP by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Insects generally have a lower meat to shell ratio than sea arthropods.

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    2. Re:LAND SHRIMP by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Insects taste like shrimp, crab, or lobster. It's just the cultural bias that keeps people from eating them.

      No, it's mostly economics. I looked into this a few months ago. The best flavor from an insect comes from a an emperor scorpion, which tastes much like shrimp. They take about 18 months to grow to a harvestable size and require about 20 gallons of space to stay healthy. They need lights if kept in captivity and cannot get along in large groups.

      From there, the amount of meat per volume goes way down, unless you're eating meal worms and crickets, which can be toasted as snacks or ground up to make various pastes (McBuggets?) but not enjoyed as a piece of meat.

      If I were to raise emperor scorpions on my farm, they would cost more than lobster (which may still be viable in some restaurants for an exotic option). In our current scheme all of the time, food, and habitat for the lobsters are 'free' and not included in the cost of the meal.

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  3. Uh... by korbulon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would you like flies with that?

    *crickets*

  4. What's Stopping Us From Eating Insects? by capebretonsux · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's Stopping Us From Eating Insects?

    Windshields.

  5. Yuuuuucckkkkk! Bleah! Ugh! by silviuc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter how much I'm trying to train my brain it still thinks that insects and their larval forms are absolutely repulsive. You can't defeat that unless you have grown up eating those things and then it's the norm. In a "survival" scenario we might be able to overcome the repulsion as the hunger sensation might override our other instincts. Anyway, I reckon that, for my remaining life span, pigs, cows, chicken, turkeys, rabbits... etc won't go extinct and neither will we suddenly lose the ability to grow them..

    Ugh that risotto with grubs did not help either... yuuuuucckkkkk! Bleah! Ugh!

    1. Re: Yuuuuucckkkkk! Bleah! Ugh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are two problems here:

      1. Some insects flock to filth. So culturally we consider insects as being unclean (roaches in particular are associated with unhealthy living conditions).

      2. No one seems to want to put effort into preparing the insects before they try to get people to eat them. While I like shrimp I would not be interested in popping a living shrimp in my mouth. Similarly I would be much more willing to eat a cockroach if it had been decapitated and cooked first.

      Corollary to #2. The less you have to dismember the insect yourself the better. Blue crabs are really popular where I live but something like 1 in 5 people refuse to eat them the "traditional" way where you tear apart the boiled crab yourself, and many more refuse at first and need to be peer pressured into it before they decide they like it. They usually will eat crab cakes or crab soup however.

  6. Re:Shrimp, Lobsters, and Crabs are Insects by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Didn't use to be that way. They got turned into gourmet items in a process that rather reminds me of Discworld's gourmet muddy old boots. In colonial Massachusetts there was a servant strike; one of the concessions made to return peace was a contract stating, among other things, that the servants would not be forced to eat lobster more than three times a week.

  7. Re:"Eww it's like a pus explosion in my mouth!" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another paraphrased quote:

    "When I eat bugs, it always tastes like they get a last bit of revenge on me by taking a dump in my mouth."

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  8. and a) mammals aren't poisonous b) cats are useful by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    Part of it is in our heads. Also, we eat mammals, not creepy-crawlies, because mammals aren't poisonous. Meat (mammals, birds) is also highly concentrated food.
    Insect shells, legs, etc. aren't as good for food, and they are far more likely to be poisonous. Some bugs are poisonous themselves. Others, like flies, hang out in rotting meat which is full of bacteria and toxins. So we evolved to not eat bugs because bugs are likely to make us sick.

    Of course, fungus is similar. Mushrooms are an acquired taste, not something that most people enjoy immediately, but with modern practices we can separate the edible fungus from the poisonous. We eat some edible fungus and smoke one of the poisonous ones. :)

    Cats and dogs aren't "all in our heads", we have them for a reason, and that reason isn't food. Evolutionarily speaking, it's better to let your cat keep the rats away than to eat the cat. "Don't eat your friends" is a good idea, not just a cultural convention.

  9. Re:How the sausage is made by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are deluded, there is nothing sociopathic about killing and preparing an animal's flesh for a meal. Mankind and his predecessors have been hunting, preparing and cooking animals for over a million years. It's natural.

    Humans also have eaten certain insects, most of us have eaten some of the aquatic kinds of insects. But most prefer fish, livestock, poultry, amphibians. Eating one is no more evil or wrong than eating the other.

  10. I have tried insects before by BurningTyger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I ate insects during a special event at Insectarium in Montreal. I have to say, people do not eat insect because it simply does not taste good.

    There are three problem with insects. First is the exoskeleton. With shrimp and lobster. The shells can be easily removed. Not so with grasshopper. The stir fried grasshopper with heavy sauce can mask its insecty taste, but it still feel like eating little shrimps with shells on.

    The second problem is the texture. Of the insects I had, none has the chewy texture people associate with "meat". Beef/pork/chicken, or shrimp/lobster/octopus, or fish, has chewy texture. With insects, it does not. For example, I tried silk worm. No exoskeleton. But when you bite into it, its body burst gooey stuff in your mouth.

    Third is the taste. People naturally like cooked meat. Without any seasoning, most cooked meat and seafood taste great on their own. With insects, there's something about their taste that is off-putting to human and require proper seasoning to mask it.

    1. Re:I have tried insects before by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you pretty much nailed it here. With bigger animals like cows and even shrimp you can separate the meat from the shell, with insects you can't. Insect exoskeletons also frequently come with spiny legs, thoraxes, etc, not the most pleasant things to have in your mouth or try to swallow.

      Supposedly roasting insects and grubs makes the interiors firmer and less gooey. As far as taste goes it is telling that advocates always (for instances) promote chili powder covered or chocolate dipped insects. Even they can't handle eating bugs as they are.

      There is also the issue of disease and parasites. I'm not sure you can clean insect bodies off as thoroughly as you could, say, a lobster. With beef you are taking meat that hasn't been exposed to the environment unlike insect bodies. With insects you are also eating the contents of their digestive tracts.

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  11. Re:Shrimp, Lobsters, and Crabs are Insects by agapeton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Arthropod != Insect

  12. Re:Shrimp, Lobsters, and Crabs are Insects by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Shrimp, Lobsters, and Crabs are Insects

    No, they're not. Insects and crabs share the same phylum: arthropods.

    For reference we're on the phlum chordata. This includes things such as mammals, all fish (bony, otherwise and even jawless), hagfish (weird craniates which aren't really quite vertebrates), lancelets (kind of small brainless proto-proto-proto-fish) and sea squirts which are sessile bag shaped filter feeding blobs.

    Now crustacians is still quite broad but doesn't contain insects. It does however contain woodlice and that really, really gross parasite which eats the fishes tounge and then spends the rest of its life acting as the fishes tounge.

    *shudder*

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  13. Pushing the insect diet much? by YalithKBK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is like, the fourth article in as many months on slashdot about why we should use insects as a food source. Are they pushing this as a new diet fad or something?

  14. Re:I'm in. by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Give me some tasty recipes.

    1. Feed insects to chickens.
    2. Cook and eat chickens.

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  15. Carnivore meat is not inherently toxic. by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Informative

    Parent may have been clueless to the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post but whoever modded this down was nonetheless a fucking moron; it's well understood that the flesh of nearly-completely-carnivorous creatures (such as felines) is highly toxic and can kill you if you eat it.

    Not really. Salmon, tuna, and swordfish are completely carnivorous and are eaten worldwide. Alligators and snakes are eaten in various parts of the US and are carnivorous. Indigenous Arctic peoples ate diets drawn primarily from seals (all carnivorous) and whales (many of which are carnivorous). Squids and octopi are carnivores.

    Now, that said, carnivore meat does carry some risks, all in the form of bioaccumulation of toxic materials. (e.g. Mercury and other heavy metals, PCBs, etc.) But "highly toxic" is a bit over-dramatic. You can eat a serving of carnivorous fish once a week and be fine. You can also eat far more than that and survive, but you may run into health risks or, more importantly, pass on unsafe levels that will affect your child's development if you get pregnant. Adults only risk death if those kinds of fish are your primary protein source and/or you get them from an actively polluted area. (See, e.g. Minama disease.)

    But the meat *itself* is fine, in absence of human-cause problems.

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    1. Re:Carnivore meat is not inherently toxic. by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whales and seals, which I mentioned, are mammals and not fish. Lion meat is also sold and eaten (though not without controversy over its conservation status). Polar bear meat is eaten by Arctic indigenous peoples as well, and it's only the liver that's toxic due to its extreme vitamin A content (seal and whale liver is a-okay).

      Black bears are a bit more omnivorous but are also eaten by peoples around the world, including in Japan. Dogs are also eaten in various parts of the world, though their diets as food animals can vary wildly from the standard "mostly carnivore" model.

      And to the specific subject at hand, domestic cat meat has been eaten widely across the world. I have found absolutely no references to it being toxic.

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