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Former NSA Chief Warns Hackers Will Attack US If Snowden Is Captured

Okian Warrior writes "The Guardian is reporting Michael Hayden speculating that hackers and transparency groups are likely to respond with cyber-terror attacks if the United States government apprehends whistleblower Edward Snowden. Hayden called the potential attackers 'Nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years.'"

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  1. Old Married people? by ka9dgx · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do old married persons (people who haven't talked to the opposite sex in years), have to do with this?

    1. Re:Old Married people? by Galaga88 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wife: My husband hasn't spoken to me in years.
      Husband: I know you don't like me to interrupt you.

    2. Re:Old Married people? by Notabadguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      The joke is on Mr. Hayden. Calling upstairs for your mom to bring you dinner totally counts as talking to members of the opposite sex.

    3. Re:Old Married people? by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to give him credit: it's a brilliant play. Insult script kiddies who see themselves as cyber activists, to get them to do their worst if and when the US arrests snowden for the crime of defending the constitution. When they finally do get him, they'll be able to shift the news story to the "cyberattacks" rather than "We've heard screams coming from the holding cell where Snowden is being held. Can you tell us you are not torturing him for exposing your crimes?"

      That the "cyberattacks" will be the equivalent of someone spraying "Fuck U!" on a billboard for the NSA won't matter. Citizens will get the message that the NSA is your first and only defense against an unholy cabal of virgin"cyberterrorists" who would hack your toaster to murder your spouse and are probably gay or something, child pornography rapists who will come for your kids, and Edward Snowden who evidently murdered US troops or something.

      In order to keep defending you against such evil people, they're going to need you to install a camera in your living room, and you'll need a license to go on the internet on your state-approved computer.

      (I'll admit I got carried away with this hyperbole...)

  2. Nihilists? by Galaga88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

  3. Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This claim was made by a fossilised old fart who hasn't managed to get a rise out of his dick for thirty years and has decided to take it out on everyone else who isn't having a problem satisfying themselves and their partners sexually.

    If Hayden hadn't been spending the last 20 years trying to fuck over the entire country en-masse, he'd still be able to get a hard-on for normal sexual thoughts about individual people.

  4. Out of touch with reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news: crotchety old man demands kids get off his damn lawn.

  5. In other words, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    people who give a greater damn about the Constitution than the current government.

  6. Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years.'

    Well, at least that excludes Slashdot. Slashdot is filled with thirtysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in fifteen or sixteen years.

  7. In advance of possible cyber attacks, by Howitzer86 · · Score: 5, Funny

    US citizens are advised to flee the planet.

    1. Re:In advance of possible cyber attacks, by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      US citizens are advised to flee the planet.

      In other news, US citizens will be punished either by the government for the actions of other citizens, or by other countries' citizens for the actions of the government. However, in no way and at no time, should this reflect that the government is in any way wrong. Meanwhile, police everywhere would like to remind women that if they were raped, it must be because of how they were dressed. "Lady Liberty was asking for it! She was showing leg."

      -_- My point is that if the government is concerned that its actions may be inviting wide-spread reprisals, they ought to be asking whether or not those actions have public support. Afterall, isn't this supposed to be a democracy? When most of your citizens are saying "Dude, you fucked up," it might be time to, I don't know... hold a meeting at least?

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    2. Re:In advance of possible cyber attacks, by runeghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, the U.S. is damn well not a democracy any more. Democracy doesn't mean, "going to vote every 2 or 4 years", although the so-called, "Republican" and "Democratic" branches of the Establishment Party would certainly like you to think that it does. Democracy requires (among other things) an informed electorate, a free press, and a government that is both accountable and responsive to its citizens. The U.S. does not have these things. It is not the public that panics in response to "political winds", it is the establishment that uses major events as excuses to do what they wanted to accomplish anyway.

  8. Kettle, pot by qbast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's from guy who instead of talking to person of opposite sex would tap her phone, read her journal and search her underwear drawer?

  9. In other words, by orlanz · · Score: 5, Funny

    In this day and age, the mighty United States of America has been reduced to feeling "terror" from "twentysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years."

    Wasn't that a standup joke 20 years ago?

  10. As opposed to what Hayden and his ilk are by tekrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which are fascist, traitorous, nationalistic power-fetishists who only view the opposite sex as tools or sex toys. Power in D.C. attracts a lot of arm-candy and those people get used to that very quickly.

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  11. Same Brush Syndrome by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like how he lumps "activists" in together with Lulzsec and Anonymous.

    Within a couple of years, the US media will be using "activist" as a synonym for "terrorist".

    Sadly, most Americans will go right along with this.

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    1. Re:Same Brush Syndrome by Kurast · · Score: 5, Informative

      I like how he lumps "activists" in together with Lulzsec and Anonymous.

      Within a couple of years, the US media will be using "activist" as a synonym for "terrorist".

      Sadly, most Americans will go right along with this.

      Fox News does that already.

    2. Re:Same Brush Syndrome by odigity · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here in New Hampshire, home of the Free State Project (http://freestateproject.org), that's already happening. We're about to go have a protest next week in Concord against the city PD requesting what is essentially a tank. In the reasons stated on the form they filled out to apply for the DHS grant, they specifically reference "Free Staters" and "Occupy" as potential threats they're worried about -- as justification for getting a fucking TANK.

      http://freekeene.com/2013/07/29/concord-pd-requests-a-bearcat-to-deal-with-sovereign-citizens-free-staters-and-occupy-new-hampshire/

    3. Re:Same Brush Syndrome by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget the old boogymen of terrorists and nihilists. Those are classic punching bags. The sort that everyone hates and everyone can get on board with hating. Don't like them? They're a terrorist! That's how it goes. Lumping activists in there is only a slight deviation from the typical script. It's effective when talking to republicans while democrats have a kinder view of the label. (Although, hell, the teapartiers have started to turn those tables)

      And forget the low-brow insult to twenty-somethings. Sure, it's uncouth and he's punching below the belt. He's specifically doing it to antagonize. He WANTS it to happen. He wants to poke that bear so he can have a raging bear to justify his bear-repellant.

      Forget all that. No, this is worse. Catch this part:

      "But certainly Mr Snowden has created quite a stir among those folks who are very committed to transparency and global transparency and the global web, kind of ungoverned and free. And I don't know that there's a logic between trying to [punish] America or American institutions for his arrest, but I hold out the possibility. I can sit here and imagine circumstances and scenarios, but they're nothing more than imaginative."

      He's specifically calling out TRANSPARENCY GROUPS. And he's kinda sorta maybe suggesting the possibility that they'll go "punish America". He can't actually tell us why that would happen but oh he's imagining it. It's like a wet dream where all of his illegal deeds throughout his life become justified and he's worshipped as a hero for stopping "those evil transparency groups". It's one where he doesn't go to sleep at night worrying that he'll be fired, tried, and thrown in prison for violating the law.

      That's what you have to focus on here. The man is in FEAR of transparency. This is a sign of a bad man.

  12. Re:Wait what?!? by intermodal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Terrorism as defined by the government is not what terrifies the people, but what terrifies people with cushy jobs in the government. Right now, they're terrified that people will find out what they're doing and call them out for it.

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  13. Re:Hours of ad hominem fun. by niftydude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The NSA narrative has always been the same: give us more money so that we can protect you against a large unspecified threat.

    As a former NSA chief this is ingrained behavior for him, and so Hayden will keep spouting that line long after he's past the point of senility.

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  14. They won't attack the US by godless+dave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They won't attack the US, they'll attack the US government. Completely different. These guys remind me of mafiosi who try to claim prosecutors going after the Mafia are going after all Italian-Americans.

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  15. "The more you tighten your grip" by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers" Seems fitting here.

    Let's ignore that some of what he leaked was about the US more or less illegally spying on their own citizens and people in other countries. Let's ignore that not everyone feels they should be spied on by the US. Let's pretend that some of this spying wasn't getting into the unconstitutional domestically and illegal where it happened. Let's completely ignore than political asylum has been around for centuries and America has certainly granted it to Russians over the years who were equally damaging. While we're at it, let's pretend that this 'apprehending' is essentially illegal in the countries where it happens.

    Instead, let's put the focus on how a bunch of nihilists and anarchists might decide to stage a little retribution and how God himself told America they're allowed to do these things and fuck everyone else.

    Because it couldn't possibly be because people disagree with what the NSA and other agencies do, or that everyone else in the world is tired of them thinking that what everyone else's rights don't matter. There's no way that the rest of the world doesn't feel like the US has overstepped its authority in other countries. It's inconceivable that we don't think you can have Liberty if we have to give up all of our privacy in order to make you safe. People couldn't possibly be protesting because the US is rapidly becoming a surveillance state which will happily trample on people's rights while telling other countries they should be more open and free.

    Fuck you Mr. Hayden, we're not buying the misdirection to a bunch of nerds in their basement. You may not be able to understand why people are venting their displeasure, but that doesn't mean your stated reasons are the right ones.

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  16. Re:grain of truth? by runeghost · · Score: 5, Informative

    Certainly there's a grain of truth - anyone who values freedom is likely to be unhappy with the Fed's nascent police state, and some of them will act out violently against their corrupt and unaccountable rulers. When that starts to happen more and more frequently, it's important not to see it not as justification for repression, but as a sign of just how hated and undemocratic the U.S. government has become.

    As John F. Kennedy once said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

  17. Re:grain of truth? by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Funny

    yeah so everyone and anyone might attack USA if Snowden is captured and might attack if Snowden is not captured?

    soo? more surveillance a cure?!? what the fuck is he making this statement for "we're acting kinda like dicks so we're likely to be attacked by dicks".

    in other news AQAP has figured out a new way to terrorize american interests - all they need to do is write messages to each other that "we'll attack with 100 militants sometime next month, RIGHT?!". so the surveillance that is based on just electronics is geared up for a big fail, they can spin up an entire fantasy terrorism empire that they'll be monitoring using massive resources... just by sending skype messages to each other they can shutdown embassy activities in multiple countries for far longer than a bomb would have.

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  18. Re:OT: Dehydration Question by Webs+101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, I know this is kind of OT for this thread and has little to do with Snowden, but I was flipping through channels last night and ran across this movie where everyone was in a life raft. I don't know what movie it was, but it went on for a while with people in a life raft, and they were fighting off sun poisoning, sharks, and dehydration. They tried to create an evaporation still with some saran wrap and a cup and lick the condensed drops off, the bottom of the plastic, but it didn't work. Here's the thing- so they were completely dehydrated, but the two women with larger boobs seemed OK. Why do they never talk about drinking boob milk when they're out there on a life raft or in the desert with no water or whatever? Big boobs have to carry at least a few quarts of liquid.

    I think we just found someone who hasn't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years.

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  19. Married with children by chthon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am married for fifteen years, and have a daughter of nine, but I sympathise with Snowden, not with the likes of NSA, CIA or FBI, or other likewise organisations.

    As a middle class engineer who has to comply with all kinds of regulations and laws and has to pay taxes, I want that the organisations which are created by the lawmakers also obey the law.

    Also, whistle blowers should be by default protected by the judiciary.

  20. Re:grain of truth? by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kinda brings the whole Golden Rule thing into focus doesn't it. Maybe if the NSA and by extension our nation does want to be attacked, terrorized, and treated so much; we should consider attacking, threatening, and terrorizing others less often.

         

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  21. Re:grain of truth? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's called terrorism. He is trying to terrify you into changing your behaviour and beliefs with threats.

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