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Dolphin Memories Span At Least 20 Years

sciencehabit writes "A new study reveals that bottlenose dolphins can remember each other's signature contact whistles — calls that function as names — for more than 20 years, the longest social memory ever recorded for a nonhuman animal. 'The ability to remember individuals is thought to be extremely important to the "social brain,"' says Janet Mann, a marine mammal biologist at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., who was not involved in the research. Yet, she notes, no one has succeeded in designing a test for this talent in the great apes — our closest kin — let alone in dolphins."

110 comments

  1. Well, as for the great apes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    we can always check the oldest entry in his journal

    1. Re:Well, as for the great apes by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      we can always check the oldest entry in his journal

      Hey, I resemble that remark!

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    2. Re:Well, as for the great apes by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Fine, next time my keys go missing, I'll just ask a fucking dolphin.

  2. If they had thumbs... by eksith · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...we'd be in so much trouble. It seems like there's a never ending list of surprises from these creatures.

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    1. Re:If they had thumbs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even if they had thumbs, I think they'd have a hard time discovering fire. ;)

    2. Re:If they had thumbs... by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Redundant

      ...we'd be in so much trouble. It seems like there's a never ending list of surprises from these creatures.

      You think you're so special because you have thumbs and built cities and cars and rockets and all that. The dolphins, meanwhile, think they're special... because they didn't have to do any of that.

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    3. Re:If they had thumbs... by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons."

      I doubt they'd give us much trouble really, too busy mucking about having a good time.

    4. Re:If they had thumbs... by Smauler · · Score: 1

      It seems like there's a never ending list of surprises from these creatures.

      I don't find this surprising at all... I'd always assumed that the more intelligent mammals remembered stuff. My dog certainly remembers people he's not seen for years (though anyone who knows him would hesitate to classify him as intelligent). Elephants are noted for it too, and I'm surprised there isn't evidence they remember longer than 20 years.

    5. Re:If they had thumbs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elephants are noted for it too, and I'm surprised there isn't evidence they remember longer than 20 years.

      There would be evidence for it except that there is also evidence that human researchers can't remember the study they were doing for more than 20 years. There was a big exception the other day - that tar dropping thing where apparently it was forgotten for a long time but remembered just in time for the tar to drop.

    6. Re:If they had thumbs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea and mankind really has nothing better to do than the Dolphins as well. Of course as Robots take out all the jobs over the next 20 years we may find this out.

    7. Re:If they had thumbs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this marked 0 redundant? Mods, this is clearly a reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. All such references deserve 5 funny.

    8. Re:If they had thumbs... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      If that were true then they would realize that we were getting in the way of their ability to muck about and have a good time. Consider the dolphin slaughters http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/03/04/taiji-2013 and our general tendency to pollute the water they have their good time in. If they were really that intelligent then by now they would be at least working on the ability to wage war... against us!

    9. Re:If they had thumbs... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      The correct quote, posted in the same minute as yours, is one down and currently moderated +4 insightful. Yours, being a para, is redundant.

      Nerds fighting over perceived slights, repetitive trolls, grammer/speeling pendants, low signal to noise ratio but occasionally entertaining noise. Same old /.

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    10. Re:If they had thumbs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They came to conquer us and yet they didn't even bother saying "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US, MAKE YOUR TIME". I for one, do NOT welcome these hipsters as overlords.

  3. How is this surprising? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is this surprising?

    If my cat can remember the sound of my car I would hope a dolphin could do this.

    1. Re:How is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was really just meant as a contrast to Slashdot editors who have a demonstrated memory span of about 4 hours.

    2. Re:How is this surprising? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      for 20 years ?

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    3. Re:How is this surprising? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I don't think the cat will live that long.
      I would assume any animal that lives multiples of that should be able to do so. I can recognize voices I have not heard for a decade. Why would animals that have such long lifespans not be able too? I would have been more surprised by the opposite outcome.

    4. Re:How is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your cat remembers the sound of your car after not hearing it for 20 years?

    5. Re:How is this surprising? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      A cat doesn't live for 20 years.

    6. Re:How is this surprising? by KBehemoth · · Score: 1

      You're deluding yourself. Your furry parasite can't remember anything except his cold, unrelenting loathing for all humans and you in particular.

    7. Re:How is this surprising? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. He clearly can tell the difference between a random car driving by or one of our cars.

      When I noticed this I started testing it.

    8. Re:How is this surprising? by Rhacman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Great, so now DOGS are posting on Slashdot!

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    9. Re:How is this surprising? by Anonymous+Codger · · Score: 1

      A cat doesn't live for 20 years.

      Mine did.

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    10. Re:How is this surprising? by azav · · Score: 1

      You, human. You are the bringer of food.

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    11. Re:How is this surprising? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      it happens though it is rare

    12. Re:How is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your cat hears your car on a regular basis which reinforces its habits. If you were to isolate your cat from your car for 20 years and then witness your cat remembering your cars sound THEN that would be interesting.

    13. Re:How is this surprising? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Remember: All dogs go to heaven, all cats go to hell. Where they get to spend eternity torturing their 'owners', who are now the size of mice.

      Do you really think being nice to them will help? Have you met any cats?

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    14. Re:How is this surprising? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      After 20 years the now 10 year old cat would be very boring to observe.

    15. Re:How is this surprising? by oreiasecaman · · Score: 1

      On the Internet nobody knows you're a dog...

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    16. Re:How is this surprising? by Warhawke · · Score: 1
    17. Re:How is this surprising? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      I think animals have much shorter memories than us. There are horses next to my parents' place. I go feed and scrub them every time I'm there (they're abandoned, which is scandalous, almost starved to death last winter), which varies widely: I housesit for a few weeks in the summer, then come for a few days at a time every few weeks. When I'm there for a while, their behaviour changes: the white mare starts running as soon as she sees me, and gets more aggressive about blocking my exit if she thinks she hasn't been brushed nearly enough, and more directive about *where* she wants to be brushed, and more touchy feely (head resting on my shoulder, between my legs...), she'll even let me bash her with the brush without a peep when I try to squash those nasty (big flies that suck blood... translation ?); the gray gelding gets ever more pushy about grabbing his carrots (and less afraid of the plastic bag or backpack they're in), and lets himself be brushed after a few days (he moves away when I start the first few days), he'll also start bumping me in the back with his nose (must be horsey for either a fist bump or "more carrots or else !"). If I've been away for a couple of months, we start from scratch: I've got to go get them, the mare will be nervous during brushing, the gelding won't let himself be touched, and neither will touch me. I've tried talking to them, wearing the same clothes... they just don't seem to click.

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    18. Re:How is this surprising? by antdude · · Score: 1

      So? I am an ANT! So don't ignore us, non-humans. :P

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  4. Timeline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Don't eat dolphin
    2. Don't eat pigs

    (...2500 years of science passes in which the level of consciousness of various animals is "discovered", leading to the ethical stipulations...)

    1. Don't eat dolphin
    2. Don't eat pigs

    We could have saved a lot of time here. Just sayin'.

    1. Re:Timeline by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      1. Don't eat dolphin
      2. Don't eat pigs

      (...2500 years of science passes in which the level of consciousness of various animals is "discovered", leading to the ethical stipulations...)

      1. Don't eat dolphin
      2. Don't eat pigs

      We could have saved a lot of time here. Just sayin'.

      Hey, if pigs didn't want to be eaten they shouldn't have evolved to be so gorram delicious.

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    2. Re:Timeline by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Hey, if pigs didn't want to be eaten they shouldn't have evolved to be so gorram delicious.

      Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense enough to disregard its own faeces.

      It had to be said. ;-)

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    3. Re:Timeline by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      You sound like a natural customer for the ingenious nutrient/parasite recycling system they call the Pig Toilet!

    4. Re:Timeline by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Dude - most people clean their food before trying to cook/eat it.

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    5. Re:Timeline by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

      1. Don't eat dolphin

      ...except for the ones that blew all their money on instant lottery tickets.

    6. Re:Timeline by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Dude, Whoosh! It's a movie reference there, hoss.

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    7. Re:Timeline by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      lol, been a while since I've see that one.

      Still, were I in Vincent's shoes, I probably would have responded the same way.

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    8. Re:Timeline by cyborg_zx · · Score: 1

      I base my eating preferences on how well it goes with Tabasco source and I find Anonymous Coward meat is spiced up real good.

  5. yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can they remember where they left their keys?

  6. Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I should probably apologize for a few things, then.

  7. I yell my name all day by sinkasapa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dolphins don't use personal names.

    See "Dolphin naming?" by Mark Liberman
    http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003127.html

    And "Dolphins using personal names, again" by Geoffrey K. Pullum
    http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=5453

    A choice quote:

    Now, think about that. If you call out "Geoff Pullum!" in a crowded street, and I'm there within earshot, I'm likely to turn round and look at you. But what I am not likely to do is yell "Geoff Pullum!" back at you.

    Why can't dolphins do intelligent and interesting things without people applying unfounded anthropomorphic qualities to their behavior?

    1. Re:I yell my name all day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if a voice I recognize yells "ping!" in a crowded street, I will turn around and yell "ping!" back.

      If I don't recognize the voice, not so much.

    2. Re:I yell my name all day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't dolphins do intelligent and interesting things without people applying unfounded anthropomorphic qualities to their behavior?

      The same reason people believe in alien abduction. We don't want to be alone. Some of us don't even want us to be the most intelligent beings around. They want parents for humanity.

    3. Re:I yell my name all day by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Is there a Jeff Pullum here?"
      "Yep, Jeff Pullum, right over here!"

      The protocol actually makes a lot of sense --- especially in a crowded street (or dolphin pod), where lots of people are calling out at once. If you just answered "here!," it would be easy to confuse with a bunch of other people answering "here!" to other calls for their own names. This mechanism provides a clear two-way authentication handshake that your response is directed specifically back to the initial caller (without needing to know their name). Just because it's not the protocol that you use, doesn't mean it's not a perfectly good idea.

    4. Re:I yell my name all day by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, if a voice I recognize yells "ping!" in a crowded street, I will turn around and yell "ping!" back.

      If I don't recognize the voice, not so much.

      The correct reply is "pong!".

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    5. Re:I yell my name all day by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      And how is your choice quote not anthropomorphic?

    6. Re:I yell my name all day by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Informative

      A choice quote:

      Now, think about that. If you call out "Geoff Pullum!" in a crowded street, and I'm there within earshot, I'm likely to turn round and look at you. But what I am not likely to do is yell "Geoff Pullum!" back at you.

      Why can't dolphins do intelligent and interesting things without people applying unfounded anthropomorphic qualities to their behavior?

      Um... that's exactly what the author you quote does - assumes that since humans wouldn't do it, dolphins wouldn't do it either.
       
      As kind of a side note, the behavior he claims humans don't do is much like how we often communicated in the Navy when we couldn't see or look at the person we wanted to talk to.... If I was doing something I couldn't take my eyes off of or needed to get the attention of someone who was in earshot but not in sight, I'd call out "Clark!", and the expected rely was "Clark, Aye!" - indicating that he's heard me and was paying attention.

    7. Re:I yell my name all day by compro01 · · Score: 1

      One might reply "This is Geoff Pullum" or similar if you're using a phone, radio, or some other form of audio-only communication.

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    8. Re:I yell my name all day by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I'm not the only one posting LL to /.

    9. Re:I yell my name all day by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if a voice I recognize yells "ping!" in a crowded street, I will turn around and yell "ping!" back.

      If I don't recognize the voice, not so much.

      The correct reply is "pong!".

      I'm sorry, we were looking for "Destination host unreachable..." ;-)

    10. Re:I yell my name all day by darkstar949 · · Score: 1

      Why can't dolphins do intelligent and interesting things without people applying unfounded anthropomorphic qualities to their behavior?

      On the same token, who said the anthropomorphic being applied aren't unfounded? There is a lot of evidence out there to support the fact that some animals aren't "dumb" so it's not unreasonable to speculate that some of them might be capable of communicating using mechanisms that we could both anthropomorphise and be complete incapable of understanding.

      With regards to the argument that the "Language Log" is trying to make about signature whistles not acting like names, well, they are guilty of assuming that dolphin "grammar" would act the same as human languages. For all intensive purposes they are falling for the anthropomorphic as a result. Or to put in another way "Dolphins aren't following the rules of human grammar, therefore, signature whistles can't be names."

    11. Re:I yell my name all day by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Same reason they believe in god.

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    12. Re:I yell my name all day by Manfre · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if a voice I recognize yells "ping!" in a crowded street, I will turn around and yell "ping!" back.

      If I don't recognize the voice, not so much.

      The correct reply is "pong!".

      The judges would also accept "Fire torpedoes!"

    13. Re:I yell my name all day by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      For all intensive purposes

      "For all intents and purposes"...

      I understand a lot of the illiteracy in the world, that one has always puzzled me...

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    14. Re:I yell my name all day by darkstar949 · · Score: 1

      I understand a lot of the illiteracy in the world, that one has always puzzled me...

      Pointing such things out does not make you appear couth, but rather more of a churl.

    15. Re:I yell my name all day by sinkasapa · · Score: 1

      Um... that's exactly what the author you quote does - assumes that since humans wouldn't do it, dolphins wouldn't do it either.

      The point the author was making wasn't to contest that dolphins are doing something different than humans. His point was to emphasize that dolphins are doing something different than humans.

      Apparently, dolphins have a means of verbally recognizing one another and nothing is being disputed about that. The quote was intended as an amusing way of pointing out how what dolphins are doing is different from the human use of proper names. The article linked to provides more detail.

    16. Re:I yell my name all day by sinkasapa · · Score: 1

      I hope it was clear from the article that this is specifically about whether this communication fits with the human language concept of a proper name. It does seem like a fine way to communicate one's presence but there is much more to what constitutes a proper name in language.

    17. Re:I yell my name all day by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      The point the author was making wasn't to contest that dolphins are doing something different than humans. His point was to emphasize that dolphins are doing something different than humans.

      The quote was intended as an amusing way of pointing out how what dolphins are doing is different from the human use of proper names.

      Except, as myself and another poster demonstrated, humans in analogous circumstances do behave like that. The author completely and utterly failed to consider the context of the environment.
       

      The article linked to provides more detail.

      I read the linked article, and as the authors "evidence" of the lack of proper names consists of an irrelevant example and "well, *I* don't think they proved anything"....

    18. Re:I yell my name all day by femtobyte · · Score: 1

      I read the article, and agree that "responding when your sound is made" doesn't prove this is a name. But, it sure doesn't disprove it's a name (or even provide slight evidence against) either (since, as noted by posters below, there are plenty of examples where humans use names this way too); that was a silly muddled piece of logic by an author less clever than they thought. To test for "nameness," one would still need to check whether other dolphins do call out each others' sounds, perhaps even in "conversations" without the "named" dolphin present.

    19. Re:I yell my name all day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually yell "ACK".

  8. Let alone in dolphins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the fuck?

    Has the study revealed it, or hasn't it? If the study has revealed it, how did it do so without testing it?

  9. Notes to self: by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

    Don't borrow money from dolphins. They will never let you forget it.
    Don't ask bed bugs to help you move. They end up crashing at your place.
    Don't hold hands with the armadillo. He's got leprosy.

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  10. At Least 5 Years for Gorillas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social memory lasts at least five years in gorillas.

    Damian Aspinall's reunion with wild gorilla, Kwibi

    1. Re:At Least 5 Years for Gorillas by KernelMuncher · · Score: 1

      What about that lion that remembered the lady. I thought he was going to rip her head off but it was only a hug. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYxhGmFPck

  11. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They hate us.

  12. NSA to build giant dolphin data storage farm by Joiseybill · · Score: 4, Funny

    With the conservative life span of current magnetic media at between 10-20 years, and (average) optical CD/ DVDs considerably less, the NSA has begun a pilot program code named "Faa love Pa" While the acronym is not clear, the Senate Intel Cmte. lauded this as a "green" initiative, and is encouraging tuna fisheries to collect living dolphins for use in the project. Dolphin memory lasts 20 years or more, reducing the need for additional rare-earth metals and greatly reduced electricity consumption. Dolphin memory is self-replicating, tolerant to mild EMF and power fluctuations, and primarily only requires renewable resources such as salt water and baitfish. The only technical hurdles researchers see are effectively encoding/decoding the massive amounts of illegally gathered data into dolphin-discrete packages, and the bandwidth needed to read/write operations. Researchers have not yet determined the optimal facility size, nor how the pods will best perform in cohesive groups. Dolphins are also ill-suited for complex elliptic-curve cryptography, opting instead for elliptic-curve swimming. Dolphin computing is not new. Natural behaviors include computing standards like PUSH and JUMP, and many have been trained to perform parallel operations. Those animals sourced from Chinese waters will be culled from the "pool" for security reasons. Another feature is the reduced disposal requirements. When the new dolphin media is replaced, old media is effectively rendered useless to forensic recovery techniques, and can be disposed of to feed other animals or in simple 'compost' rather than more costly recycling efforts.

    1. Re:NSA to build giant dolphin data storage farm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this troll nonsense gets modded up but insightful posts that go against the /. hivemind get modded down? Sure.

    2. Re:NSA to build giant dolphin data storage farm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This should be marked as funny. not Insightful.

    3. Re:NSA to build giant dolphin data storage farm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Barely made it halfway through reading your comment before I just couldn't take it anymore. Way too funny.

  13. So long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and thanks for the fish.

  14. Do not click. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Link is to random bullshit.

  15. Hmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Does having an ARP Cache mean that my switch is a highly sophisticated social animal?

  16. Timmy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Timmy! Timmy, Timmy!

  17. I'm Not Sure It's Quite True by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    I could be wrong about this, but if I remember correctly, elephants can remember other elephants and humans for longer than 20 years. So I don't think this is "the longest recorded..." anything.

    1. Re:I'm Not Sure It's Quite True by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong about this

      You probably are.

      While elephants are also reputed to have extremely long memories of up to 20 years, there is little scientific evidence of their abilities outside of family relationships. In this research paper, the dolphins were able to remember family members as well as strangers.

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    2. Re:I'm Not Sure It's Quite True by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "You probably are."

      And so are you.

      "... there is little scientific evidence of their abilities outside of family relationships..."

      Fine. But OP and TFA say "the longest social memory ever recorded for a nonhuman animal".

      Which makes your argument a straw-man; they say nothing about "family".

    3. Re:I'm Not Sure It's Quite True by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Actually this was the part of the quote I was really looking at:

      While elephants are also reputed to have extremely long memories of up to 20 years

      "Reputed" implies that there's not much scientific evidence of this at all, with regard to either family or strangers.

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    4. Re:I'm Not Sure It's Quite True by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "'Reputed' implies that there's not much scientific evidence of this at all, with regard to either family or strangers."

      No it doesn't. Look it up. "Reputed" means they have that reputation. There is no implication of falsity and no relation whatever to the presence or absence of evidence.

    5. Re:I'm Not Sure It's Quite True by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      There is no implication of falsity and no relation whatever to the presence or absence of evidence.

      And my claim that there is "not much scientific evidence of this" does not mean there's no evidence either way, either, and I haven't inferred that it's false.

      The scientific dolphin study is a definite, objective, presence of evidence, which I'd say makes it more worthy of attention than a reputation.

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  18. Dammit! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    That means, that I'll have to return those herrings after all.

  19. Parrots by mbone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In my experience, parrots never forget people they associate with (that's easiest to show when they have a certain call they make for a given person; I've known parrots to make such calls after years of separation).

    Alex the parrot lived 31 years. I bet he never forgot a grad student, and that data showing that are buried in Pepperberg's work.

    1. Re:Parrots by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      In my experience,

      So not a scientific experiment performed by professional scientists under carefully controlled conditions, then...

      I've known parrots to make such calls after years of separation.

      How many years?

      Alex the parrot lived 31 years. I bet he never forgot a grad student, and that data showing that are buried in Pepperberg's work.

      I bet he did forget. I can't be bothered to go and check either, though.

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    2. Re:Parrots by mbone · · Score: 1

      In my experience,

      So not a scientific experiment performed by professional scientists under carefully controlled conditions, then...

      The plural of anecdotes is astronomy, so this doesn't bother me. I know how to make observations.

      I've known parrots to make such calls after years of separation.

      How many years?

      Roughly four years without question, but I wasn't trying to set any records. The interesting thing was

      - the parrot had a distinctive call for a particular person (they liked to goof on each other)
      - the person had been a border, left, and came back to say hello. He didn't leave on the best of terms, and was not given to dropping by, but we had a visitor he
      wanted to see.
      - We had all forgotten about the call, until the parrot reminded us, so I don't see any way we could have cued it.

      One of my parrots has been angry at my son for over three years now, but they do see each other every few months.

      Alex the parrot lived 31 years. I bet he never forgot a grad student, and that data showing that are buried in Pepperberg's work.

      I bet he did forget. I can't be bothered to go and check either, though.

      Well, Dr. Pepperberg should know. I understand the principle here (Q. Which mission was the first to discover water on Mars? A. Basically, all of them!*), you need some sort of "first" to get into the press, which makes me sympathetic if cynical about the process. My guess is the actual paper claims no such record, and some eager P.R. person put in the claim.

      * In July I heard a NASA honcho state that they were going to have to stop letting new missions claim the discovery of water on Mars, as it had been done to death.

  20. An elephant never forgets by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    I think it's been demonstrated that elephants have long memories. I recall a story about two elephants greeting each other like old friends when they hadn't seen each other for over 20 years.

    1. Re:An elephant never forgets by azav · · Score: 1

      Read Modoc then. I'm sure you'll love it.

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      - Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
  21. Dolphin Memories Span far more than 20 Years! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember Flipper, and that was on in the 60s!

  22. Sugar by azav · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When a wee pup in yon '70s of yore, my family would sometimes go down to Key West where we would stay at a hotel with a mini golf course and an enclosed lagoon with a trained dolphin.

    As a whelp, (yes, that's the correct spelling) I would do nothing else but stand by the dolphin pool watching, or play mini golf.

    After I had become a regular by the edge of the pool, every so often Sugar the dolphin would come up to me and click and wave a little and bob her head back, as if she was saying, "come on in!" I was simply entranced to be there and that a dolphin was paying attention to me.

    The next year after we showed up and I took my place on the edge of the lagoon, it only took 1/2 an hour before Sugar stopped, turned around in the water, swam over to me and greeted me as if she actually remembered me from the year before. Honestly, I'd expected her to have remembered "me" sooner, but I was happy none the less that a dolphin seemed to know and remember me.

    Sadly, we weren't able to go back the next summer, but the year after that we did. Eager to see if my friend Sugar remembered me, I stood by the pool for about an hour or two, knowing that she would come over when she realized it was me.

    No dice.

    No reaction at all.

    I was a sad panda. An ignored sad panda.

    This totally was a downer for me, and I realized that I might be wrong, that dolphins don't remember and aren't able to make out specific people. This was still on my mind the next morning when my parents and I walked off to breakfast and neared Sugar's lagoon.

    Before I could even get close to the pool, I could see Sugar turn towards me, zip over to the side of the pool near me clicking and bobbing her head, making quite a fuss, telling me "I can't believe that was you yesterday and I didn't even remember you! Welcome back! It's great to see you again little monster! Come on in!"

    One hell of a great creature she was.

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    - Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
    1. Re:Sugar by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Another interpretation would be that the dolphin sometimes approached people at the pool edge and made noises.

      Sometimes those people would give the dolphin fish.

      Everything else is only a product of your "as if"s.

  23. Elephants can remember 20 years by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    I clearly recall seeing a documentary about an elephant taken to the Tennessee Elephant Sanctuary. She instantly recognized another elephant that she had not seen in over twenty years. The keepers had planned to keep her in an isolation cage for a few days, but they had to let her out early because she was damaging the cage in an effort to be reunited. She did not have the same reaction to elephants that she had never previously contacted. I wish I could find a link. Hold on, here it is.

  24. should have been a dolphin researcher by KernelMuncher · · Score: 1

    What a great life - get grants to hang out in Bermuda every year. Soak up some sun, play with dolphins. Publish a scientific paper every now and then.

    That's loads better than my job. : (

  25. Try 150 years by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arctic bowhead whales live 150-200 years. One of the reason they're so shy around humans is that THEY REMEMBER BEING WHALED. Obviously these are the ones who got away, but over a century later these things are still swimming around.

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    1. Re:Try 150 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would they remember being killed?

    2. Re:Try 150 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arctic bowhead whales live 150-200 years. One of the reason they're so shy around humans is that THEY REMEMBER BEING WHALED. Obviously these are the ones who got away, but over a century later these things are still swimming around.

      I think we all remember the first time we whaled.

  26. Nim Chimpsky? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    There was a documentary a couple years ago about the 1970s seminal work done with Nim when he was just chimpling. Nim was discarded when (1) he became an unruly adolescent and (2) the principal investigator decided chimps werent really using language (contaversial). After several intermediate owners they tracked down Nim, now a gray-haired middle age. And seemed to recognize his human friends from the 1970s.

  27. Yes Because.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only smart people wage war

  28. How would they remember us? by phorm · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing that doesn't wouldn't have much (if any) a sense of smell. Hearing somebody outside of water might be a bit harder too. Looks, especially when one is young, could change a lot.

    Sounds like, given what she had to work with, this dolphin had a better memory than I do :-)

  29. How is this a breaking discovery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it not already inherent that ALL forms of life communicate and form memories? Seems that every year we get more "scientists/biologists" discover that animals can do this or that!
    How is it that we come to self glorify ourselves while ignoring the obvious that animals can do everything socially that we can, yet with their own form of language?
    DERP

    1. Re:How is this a breaking discovery? by cyborg_zx · · Score: 1

      Is it not already inherent that ALL forms of life communicate and form memories?

      Bacteria form memories?

  30. They remember being whaled by pne · · Score: 1

    How would they remember being killed?

    They could remember being hunted.

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    Esli epei etot cumprenan, shris soa Sfaha.
  31. So, they're definitely sentient? by sabbede · · Score: 0

    They recognize themselves in mirrors, give themselves names, know each other's names... So they're fully self and other aware! That is so cool! We have another sentient race to hang out with!! Shit. Now we know that, I think that means they have rights. This will be a hassle. But cool!