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Nvidia CEO: We Are Working On Next Generation Surface
UnknowingFool writes "CEO Jen-Hsun Huang has told CNET that Nvidia is working with Microsoft on the next generation of Surface tablets. While sales of the first generation have been poor, Huang believes the second generation will be more successful with the inclusion of Outlook."
Huang believes the second generation will be more successful with the inclusion of Outlook
Yay, Outlook
Hopefully it'll include a more power efficient Haswell chip. The Surface Pro was promising but lacked sufficient battery life.
Magic 8-ball says "Outlook not so good".
Just sayin'...
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News just in vets are now using Outlook to revive dead horses.
Metro apps are how Microsoft is going to let go of their Win32 legacy. They really, really need for their mobile efforts to take off so they can let go of app compat and the 30 years of spaghetti code they made to prevent competitors in that open market. Even they no longer understand how that shit works. The canonical reference for their SMB protocol is now the open source SAMBA project, which is compatible with more versions of their own software than they are. They really need a new basis where they can control who can make apps through administrative rather than technological means.
W32 apps are going away. Get over it. Soon your ancient copies of pirated Photoshop and Quicken will not work. You can limit your search for replacements to their ecosystem if you want to, or look wider afield. Since Windows devices are only 1/5 of endpoints today, looking wider is not really a bad idea.
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I just got an amazing toy. It's got all these free built in applications. It comes with an e-mail client. It has a beautiful 1920x1080 display and responsive touch screen..
It was only $229 and it was made by Asus for Google. Seriously, you intend to compete with that? The margins on the device have to be thin. How does Microsoft plan to make it up? Do I need an Office 365 subscription to go with it?
Call me skeptical. The first iteration of tablet wasn't that good, I still hate Windows 8, and the price point you'd have to get to in order to make me consider a Win8 tablet is so low, it would be unprofitable. Those people who would buy the Win8 tablet at $200, will just as happy with the Android equivalent.
Maybe the Surface 2.0 will sell twice as many tablets as the current product, doubling market share, to four customers.
Unfortunately both current Windows tablet customers will feel cheated with their now-obsolete tablets.
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Really? Outlook's what's going to save the day? Well, there's a first time for anything.
Please don't, Microsoft, I deal with outlook and exchange everyday. From Office 2003 through 2013, server 2003 through 2012, exchange 2003 - 2013, noting but a giant hunk of crap taking up rack space. Nothing but problems, problems and more problems. The little linux server tucked away at the bottom of the rack with a little layer of dust on it? Never has a problem. But those windows servers? Countless hours of sleep lost by all employees because of how often they go down. Please don't include outlook, it hardly works with your own exchange server and works far worse with technologies not developed by you. For the sake of what hair is left on my head, PLEASE STOP.
Metro apps are how Microsoft is going to let go of their Win32 legacy.
So we can revert to the multitasking equivalent of 1980's offerings.
How about "NO"?
How about "HELL NO"?
How about "HELL FUCKING NO"?
Metro apps are a colossal, leap (with rocket assist) BACKWARD in interface technology.
You can cry all you want about "old code" and "spaghetti code". But simply being newer, possibly cleaner, code doesn't make it better.
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Pushing metro apps over Win32 programs has nothing to do with the burden of legacy support. It is all about getting their hands on the same 30% of software revenue that their competitors (Apple and Google) are getting, instead of the 0% Microsoft makes on every Win32 application sold. You're never going to convince companies developing for the Win32 sales model to start giving you that money, so you have to create a new distribution network with new rules and try to convince people to switch to it.
Did you think Microsoft just woke up one day and suddenly cared more about beautiful source code than money?
If it ain't broke... then it's harder to sell upgrades.
I was at a mall this evening and though it was funny that the little kiosk that used to demo the Surface Pro/RT was gone...until my wife pointed out that it's because they just opened a "Microsoft Store". I had to see it, and sure enough it was an incredibly thorough facsimile of an apple store, except the "geniuses" (I wonder what they call them...) had purple shirts, and of course there was microsoft crap on all of the extremely well-lit Ikea-esque tables instead of apple crap.
I'm kind of a bystander in the MS/Apple flamewar (for work and personal use I have a suped-up macbook pro that runs a Windows7 VM) but the sight of this down to the wood-grain copy of an Apple store just made me feel pity for Microsoft. I mean, jesus, it was already clear that their business model since the Zune has been "do what apple does, seems to work", but this place takes it to a new level.
I like Windows7, I loved my xbox (until I had a kid and gave it to a cousin after 2 years of non-use), they can do some shit right and should accentuate that instead of this across the board pathetic strategy of Apple emulation. After all, the sincerest form of flattery is imitation, as they say. I just don't get it.
Microsoft are becoming the gobots to Apple's transformers.
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OK I know millions of people use outlook hundreds of times a day BUT how many actually step outside of the core function email, calender, and contacts?
Theres a billion and 1 programs that do what people want for email, thunderbird included, and as long as people can read an email and set an appointment reminder I doubt they would even care.
Outlook is not a seller, hell it used to be a value added freebee
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Right, that'll keep a few dozen nerds (who wouldn't buy an MS product anyway) happy.
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Has Elop become Nvidia's CEO recently?
Gah. You guys don't quit.
That's OK. It's fun to torment you. Do you remember this phrase?: "We are going mobile and Microsoft isn't coming with us."
Do you know why Microsoft isn't coming with us? It isn't because they don't know how to make good software (though they don't) It's because they are the obnoxious person we move the party to get away from, and then don't tell them where we went.
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RIM launched their first (and only) tablet without their premier email product. That worked out super-well for sales too.
Seriously, I didn't know the RT had no Outlook! It really was useless for business.
That excuse may be the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.
Um, WTF are you smoking? Tegra is an ARM chip. The current Surface RT (ARM) runs on the Tegra 3. The new version will, apparently, run on Tegra 4.
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I'm writing on my Surface right now while traveling in Bolivia. I know it is fun to slam MS on everything they make and many will wet their pants when Apple comes out with a new digital tennis shoe that will record your steps and post it on Facebook someday. For me, the Surface RT beats out my ultrabook for portability and durability (beginning to get screen marks on the Samsung Series 9 from getting it mashed in the overhead bin of the planes), the battery lasts a long time, the type keyboard is great (not the touch version), and it has most of the programs I need for regular work.
Of course, I'm not designing with CAD on this...will do that when I get home. I'm not programming either...will do that when I get home. While traveling, this is better than a tablet and laptop for the basic needs that many have. I will look forward to Outlook because that is what I use at home as well as a hundred million other people. Get that basic tool included (which should have been in the first release) and this will be even better for us power-travelers that don't need power-laptops.
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I'm sorry but in less than 3 years ARM is gonna be toast so anybody who invests in ARM is a fool. Look up the numbers, when it comes to IPC an ARM quad gets curbstomped by a Prescott P4 in all but the JavaScript bench which was tuned for ARM, its only selling point has been crazy low battery usage and its about to lose that advantage.
You look at what AMD and Intel have cooking and you can see where the wind is blowing, AMD already has a fanless APU that maxes at 6w with all sectors of the chip maxed out, IRL it uses less than 3w under typical loads and that gives you a dual core APU with a Radeon chip capable of running 1080P over HDMI, and Intel has Haswell and the new Atom is supposedly down to a couple of watts under load and less than 1w in "functional standby" where it can still receive messages and calls.
The simple fact is ARM just doesn't scale well and no matter how many millions Samsung and Nvidia sink into it they just can't fix this fundamental flaw. So far the only real luck either company has had is by throwing more cores (and thus using more power) at the problem, with Nvidia up to 5 cores and Samsung up to 6 and even with all those cores it'll still get curbstomped by a 3 year old AMD Bobcat or Intel Atom dual, the current chips just widen the gap. As more and more people do more and more with their phones and tablets they are gonna want that higher performance without compromising on weight and like it or not X86 has the IPC crown by a pretty damned large margin.
I personally feel sorry for Nvidia, they are gonna be the ones left out in the cold as frankly Intel and AMD just don't need them anymore, although how Intel was able to destroy the Nvidia chipset business without getting slammed by antitrust I'll never know. Nvidia really should have partnered or bought out Via a few years back, the Via Nano is a pretty damned solid chip, decent performance with power drain that sits right in the middle of the curve, not to mention its built in crypto support would have made it a solid entry for ULV servers but now its too late. While I wish Nvidia luck as I believe in competition I just don't see a new Surface finding a niche, not with dual core Android tablets looking to be in the $100 range by Xmas, Android has the apps, the network effect that MSFT enjoyed on desktops, its gonna be damned hard for MSFT to get a toehold in there and with Nvidia locked out of the next gen consoles things don't look too good for big green.
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Outlook, not so good...
Microsoft meets at least one of the definitions for insanity: Keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Really. SO f-ing arrogant! "We weren't mistaken, and will double down."
How's all them ZuneHD's been doing?
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As I understand it, Windows RT has one advantage over Android: a tiling window manager. Windows RT has built-in support for "snapping" an app to a side of the screen, allowing one application to run in a "tablet" size space and another in a "phone" size space. This is useful for writing a document while referring to another document. Stock Android doesn't have this because the CDD allows Android applications to assume that the screen size won't change after installation. Samsung's custom version of Android has a multi-window mode, but this works only for those few applications that opt in to Samsung multi-window because it's not a core OS feature.
AMD knows they can't compete with Intel on the IPC in the server space and have you looked at the chip in question? Its based on what we now know is the chip from the consoles which has a SPECIALIZED core from ARM built for DRM functions, this of course will give them an advantage in the server space as dedicated chips will always be better than general purpose for specific jobs.
So just to make it clear I'm not saying there will never be another ARM chip made, merely that it will go back to being used as it was before the ARM craze hit and that is for embedded and specialty tasks. BTW I don't have the time to Google it for you but if you put in "AMD ARM DRM" I'm sure you'll find the info.
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Missing outlook is the reason why the tablet did not sold? IMO in order to derive such a conclusion, one really needs to be a high ranking manager not involved in any real work beside exchanging e-mails.
And once upon a time all Apple PCs were PPC...your point? Just because ARM is used in X NOW does NOT mean it will be used in X in the future, in fact with 3 major consoles going X86 (PS4,XBN, and Steambox) that will be a further incentive for the handhelds to go X86 as it'll make the likelihood of ports higher.
Again i never said ARM was gonna disappear, just like there are still big iron servers out there, but they will NOT be the dominate mobile chip any longer because they can't fix the IPC problem. What you fail to grasp is with X86 having such an incredible lead on IPC frankly its a hell of a lot easier to cut a powerful chip down, see Atom and bobcat for example, than it is to get a weak chip to scale up, that is just how it is and there is nothing ARM can do about it short of throwing out the whole design and starting over.
Why do you think Nvidia is up to 5 cores and Samsung 6? ARM doesn't scale dude, it just don't. Feel free to look up the benches yourself, an 8 year old prescott P4 curbstomps the latest ARM chips when it comes to IPC. As more and more folks do more and more with mobile they are gonna demand it perform and ARM just doesn't. The most likely future for ARM will be in cheap commodity devices like thermostats, MP3 players, all those little specialized tasks that a general purpose chip won't be good at. There is no shame in that but its gonna be a shitty margin market compared to ARM of today which is why it would make a lousy investment unless you were looking for a quick rollover.
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