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Illuminating Window-Less Houses With a Plastic Bottle

New submitter DancesWithWolves writes "The BBC reports on Alfredo Moser, who came up with a way of illuminating his house during the day without electricity — using nothing more than plastic bottles filled with water and a tiny bit of bleach. In the last two years his idea has spread throughout the world. It is expected to be in one million homes by early next year.'"

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  1. Lighting on ships... by killfixx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen this type of lighting system before on old ships (USS Constitution, etc...).

    Instead of a water they used glass blocks (or similar).

    But, it's great to see a novel way of recycling trash into something beneficial! :)

    Cheers!

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    1. Re:Lighting on ships... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      If you're ever in SoHo in New York, look down. See all those marbles embedded in the sidewalk next to stores? Same thing.

      They were doing that long before electricity was used to light the basements of buildings.

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    2. Re:Lighting on ships... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is not for the typical US resident, except maybe in an old backyard shed or something. In a modern construction house (or refurb) with a moderate budget there are tons of options to do the same.

      This is something for places where even a few dollars is outside of the budget. But this certainly isn't for just a few pennies.

    3. Re:Lighting on ships... by batkiwi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      http://www.globalenvision.org/2011/08/18/used-soda-bottles-light-world-free

      So people in third world countries should just save up for 15 years to buy a commercial lighting system?

      This isn't about commercial use in wealthy areas, it's about giving light to the various areas in the world with "shack cities", where a few thousand people just shove up tin roofs and live in close proximity.

      It is both novel and beneficial to those people.

      Please think before you spew.

    4. Re:Lighting on ships... by RajivSLK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You must be the biggest idiot in the world. The pop bottle skylights aren't for you in your single family home in pasadena. They are for people who earn less than $2/day. The free/cheap. The light pipes cost hundreds of dollars.

    5. Re: Lighting on ships... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure I understand the purpose. Having been in huts of several different designs, and a few urban shanties, daytime light doesn't seem to really be a problem. You spend most of the daylight outdoors abyway, and when you're not you use windows or open the door.

      I'm not sure anybody I visited would be too enthusiastic about cutting holes in their nice thatched roof, and certainly not in that status-symbol tin one. Waterproofing the pop bottle skylight would be a bit of a problem.

    6. Re: Lighting on ships... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Tubes of poly resin are certainly common items in third-world slums. Cost about the same as - the whole rest of the roof.

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  2. Need to diffuse the light a bit... by Greg01851 · · Score: 2

    Great idea and implementation... at least where you have the type of roof where it can be used. One modification I would add would be to add something to the water in order to make it just a bit cloudy... this would diffuse the light a bit more. Of course, depending on the plastic, it may cloud up as it ages in any case, or start with cloudy plastic (i.e. plastic milk bottles).

    1. Re:Need to diffuse the light a bit... by wooferhound · · Score: 2

      depending on the plastic, it may cloud up as it ages in any case, or start with cloudy plastic (i.e. plastic milk bottles).

      I wonder how long one of these bottles will last out in the Sun and Weather? Aren't these plastic bottles made to biodegrade?

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    2. Re:Need to diffuse the light a bit... by chispito · · Score: 2

      Oh god, your naivety would be so funny if our reality wasn't so sad.

      Like barbaric idiots we still have no laws mandating that anything produced be recyclable or biodegradable. Faced with the facts of how plastic kills wildlife and pollutes the environment, we just happily keep producing more.

      Nobody said the bottles weren't recyclable (recyclable in the traditional sense; this story is about a novel way to recycle bottles).

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    3. Re:Need to diffuse the light a bit... by pinkushun · · Score: 2

      Your optimism is noted but misplaced. PET plastics are recyclable but not biodegradable. The newer Bioplastics are however those are not readily used in production in any country where you would need to make a sun-light.

  3. Simple and zero energy cost by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Elegant and no energy costs. It recycles something we all have handy. Easy to install also. Hard to argue with all those benefits!

    1. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by olsmeister · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wouldn't work here. I'd have an almighty mess after the first 20 degree night.

    2. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Assuming that's 20F, if you live in a house like the ones in the article (with a tin roof), then you have more serious problems than light.....

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    3. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2

      Plastic bottles are often stretchy enough to accomodate that. There could be a problem of the bottles are embedded in something like a corrugated metal roof, but if they're in something softer, it may not be a big deal.

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    4. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2

      I'll stick with someone else's answer: If you're relying on plastic-bottle-lights somewhere light Minnesota, you've probably got some more pressing problems to deal with than how to decrease the insulation of your home by putting windows and sunlights all over.

      The fact that you can pick places where the invention won't work doesn't diminish how useful it can be in the places where it does.

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    5. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Somehow I find myself surprised that this is the second comment in the thread, rather than the first. Do we really need "won't work for me" posts on every story? Did anyone claim it was universally applicable and utterly flawless?

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    6. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Something tells me that bottles full of alcohol on a roof would not remain bottles full of alcohol for very long.

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    7. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by losfromla · · Score: 2

      if you had bothered to rtfa you'd realize that this is a solution for people who are $20 a month above homelessness, not the kind in the market for commercial $3000 a pop solar tubes. Not everyone lives in opulence.

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    8. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My best guess is that the freezing stretches the plastic a bit, especially the parts designed for structure such as the creases. Now the bottle has a higher volume and when the ice melts the plastic doesn't go back to its original shape but rather simply collapses.

      No, what's happening is that the light plastic screw-on cap is a bit less rigid than the bottle neck. Freezing raises the air pressure at the top, and a little bit of air manages to squeeze out of the interface. When the ice thaws, the pressure differential becomes negative, and the cap is pressed firmly onto the neck, preventing air getting back in.

      I tested this by putting a hose clamp around a cap, and the effect went away.

    9. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by cusco · · Score: 2

      Just because they're poor doesn't mean that they're incompetent. I can think of three ways to install this correctly off the top of my head, and I'm sure that anyone who works with the local building materials could do the same.

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    10. Re:Simple and zero energy cost by cusco · · Score: 2

      Oh, another libertardian.

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  4. Secure, too... by Urban+Garlic · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're completely unhackable!.

    Soon they'll be mandatory in Enterprise deployments.

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    1. Re:Secure, too... by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 2

      Soon they'll be mandatory in Enterprise deployments.

        Would be nice, but, at least in my current office, they are being ignored. The space above the ceiling is illuminated by "deck prisms" in the roof, but all the ceiling panels are opaque, so our work space does not get any of that - except when a facilities tech opens a panel to get at something above the ceiling.

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  5. Re:Glass bottles by lxs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a rudimentary light pipe really. Clever but not much use unless you're directly underneath a flimsy roof. That said, I'd like to see more real light tube installations in multistory buildings. Sunlight beats both LED and fluorescent in energy efficiency and light quality.

  6. Vandalism-prone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I just heard someone on the roof. Why is it yellow in here?"

  7. Re:aliteroflight.org did it first by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

    Moser actually came up with the idea back in 2002 in Brazil. The "last two years" mentioned in the summary is a reference to efforts to spread the idea around the world, of which the site you mentioned is one such example. That site started about two years ago, and if you check the About page, you'll see that they credit him as the originator of the idea and mention that they are working to spread the idea in the Philippines.

  8. Re:An even more elegant solution by Iskender · · Score: 2

    If it's already sunny and you need light but have no electricity.. Get windows or go outside.

    People using this have no money for glass, probably nothing for any other kind of windows, either. This will give a lot more than no light when it rains, too. People living in slums do not necessarily have the communal space you assume they have - if they can do things at home, chances are that's the place to do it.

    Even if those things were to leak after three years, always, it would still be worth it for three years of work.

    And what's with the night part? Do you think starlight will keep people from sleeping?

  9. Re:An even more elegant solution by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    NEVER leaks, he claims, having done it for the first time 2 years ago.

    Only 9 years out.

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  10. So the solution . . . by dmatos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to illuminating a house with no windows is . . . to add windows? Wow.

    I mean, some kudos are deserved for finding an inexpensive (almost free) way to add windows, and using windows whose shape provides some refractory scattering of the incoming light. Still though, his solution to no windows was literally TO ADD WINDOWS.

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    1. Re:So the solution . . . by tocsy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The important part is really that his idea doesn't use electricity and recycles widely available waste to provide the lighting. It also provides more light than a window the same size would, so I imagine it doesn't create as large of a structural problem.

      I worked with a non-profit called Long Way Home a few years ago who I believe was doing this, along with using plastic bottles and used tires for to build a structurally sound, environmentally friendly school in Guatemala. Unfortunately I couldn't find a picture of the plastic bottle lights in use but if you're interested, check out their website - they could use the exposure.

    2. Re:So the solution . . . by Luckyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Brilliant observation. Now kindly find us a near-free way to add windows that do not jeopardise the structural integrity of standard slum shack, while also providing shelter from winds and rain.

    3. Re:So the solution . . . by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Has it ever occurred to you to look at the buildings they are installed in, and note the quality of roofing. I'd wager 10:1 that other parts of the roof, ones with older roofing will leak much, much sooner than the new part with bottle insert will.

  11. Not perfect... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is Slashdot, where perfect is the enemy of good.

    Because there are edge use-cases where this won't work, it's completely unsuitable for ALL applications.

    Or, to put it another way, because it won't work in some guy's shed in Anchorage, poor people in Africa, Asia and South America should continue to toil in the dark until a proper solution involving LEDs and / or light pipes is made available.

    Now, instead let's discuss how 2014 will definitely be the year of Linux on the desktop.

  12. Re:Prior Art by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 2

    Please read this comment regarding aliteroflight.org - or at least check their "About" page first.

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  13. UV breakdown? by dave3138 · · Score: 2

    Plastic bottles aren't exactly UV-stable...

  14. Re:Weird... by cusco · · Score: 2

    Actually it's probably as old as clear glass bottles, there are mining shacks that used empty whiskey bottles for windows since they didn't have window glass (likely because they drank all the profits before winter came).

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  15. Re:Old old story by Luckyo · · Score: 2

    So, who do you think this particular article is talking about?

  16. Yearly Slashdot post on this... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Honestly it seems that every year for the past 4 years slashdot herolds this.

    Then HAD will do it in about 2 days.

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  17. Re:Glass bottles by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Clever but not much use unless you're directly underneath a flimsy roof.

    Yeah, but given the sheer number of people around the world who do live directly underneath a flimsy roof ... this is the kind of thing which can be an improvement to probably millions of people for the cost of some plastic bottles and bleach.

    Am I going to poke holes in the shingled and insulated roof of my townhouse to put in plastic bottles? Nope. Are there a huge amount of people in the world for which this would provide cheap lighting? Absolutely.

    That said, I'd like to see more real light tube installations in multistory buildings.

    Indeed, who of us hasn't sat in a part of an office which doesn't afford any natural light at all?

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  18. Re:Let the EPA continue by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    And this will be coming to the USA also, because they will have to jack up utility rates, just to
    please the enviro-nuts in the USA.

    I hate to break this to ya, Chief, but the jacking of utility rates has far less to do with "enviro-nuts" than it does greedy utility company executives.

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  19. Re:Dear god, how many times can you post this? by tbuddy · · Score: 2

    Are you saying that because we've seen this for the last two years that this is somehow not news?

  20. Re:The lamps work best with a black cap by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    The carbon black typically used to color plastic black is also a pretty good UV protectant. Could be the caps break down in the sun before the PET.

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  21. Re:Glass bottles by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's what I hate about shanty towns. No food or running water but every shack has a hardwood floor and is filled with antique furniture. This morning there was a guy outside my office begging for a few coins so I told him: "I will buy you some drugs but I won't give you money. You'll only spend it on a Louis XV side table." You have to be tough with these people or they'll never learn.

  22. Re:Very cool idea, but by losfromla · · Score: 2

    son? I knew we'd meet here eventually..

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  23. Illuminating ... With a Plastic Bottle. And a dri by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    The BBC article goes all breathless about this great low-tech approach for poor third-world countries without mentioning the fact that the user has drilled a bunch of holes in their roof. Combine that with a rainy climate like the Philippines (mentioned in the article) and you've got a problem. The solution, apparently, is polyester resin. Excellent choice, and so widely available in third-world slums. No slam intended to the unfortunate residents who are also blessed with power tools.

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  24. Re:aliteroflight.org did it first by vux984 · · Score: 2

    Moser didn't come up with shit. He just built a modern iteration of technology that has been around for thousands of years.

    He came up with a modern iteration that can be widely and immediately deployed in the poorest parts of the world using freely available ubiquitous components and readily available installation skillsets?

    I'm curious where you've set the bar before you give someone credit for coming up with something.

  25. Re:Why? by PPH · · Score: 2

    Ah yes. The "let them eat cake" solution.

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  26. Re:Illuminating ... With a Plastic Bottle. And a d by RJFerret · · Score: 2

    Tools only require power in lazy post-industrial societies. Hand tools are inexpensive, effective and less costly to operate. I've cut steel roofing with hand snips in seconds.

    Polyester resin is kind of a staple product. In post-industrial societies, it's sold for recreation in craft stores. But in less developed places, it's needed for boat building and all sorts of fabrication. Before 3D printers with their costly supplies, we made molds and used resin for pennies.

    I imagine they are chosing it over tar or pitch due to availability as much as any other factor.

  27. Re:Weird... by Ocker3 · · Score: 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zMAWztZ6TI This guy in Brazil thought it up in 2002 during a blackout, I'm pretty sure that's more than 2 years ago. This story keeps getting recycled as writers and editors forget that they've already covered it before.

  28. Re:An even more elegant solution by tibit · · Score: 2

    Ah, must have never been in a slum, then. For some reason or another, the few slums I've been in are often arranged around straight or almost straight paths, paralleled together, with the shacks sharing one or more walls, or at least being built very close to each other. The population densities there probably beat a lot of western mid-rise residential neighborhoods (8-12 stories). Three of the walls are thus usually out of commission, any windows there wouldn't let much light in, unless the neighbor's shack was ablaze :/ The front wall faces an often narrow "street". There'll be "stuff" hanging in said street, say tarps to keep the scorching sunlight out, or laundry, produce and occasional meat drying, etc. Thus, not much light is reaching the front wall either. Really the roof is the only option, and some discarded metal and bottles are about as affordable as they get. The caulking is a bit more of an expense, but presumably one could scavenge something from trash leaving the construction sites. Remember that opened caulking containers have a finite shelf life, and slum kids are professional scavengers, for lack of a better term.

    The way those lights are meant to be installed is. 1. A bottle is caulked into a piece of metal that is shaped to match the grooves/waves in the roof. The metal has a circular hole cut out with a diameter a couple cm smaller than the diameter of the bottle. Radial slots are cut along the circumference of the hole. The resulting tabs are then bent up at right angle. Those tabs are then caulked to the bottle, and caulked over. 2. A roughly bottle-diameter hole is cut into the roof, and the assembly from #1 is caulked onto the roof. The assembly #1 is the replaceable assembly, and it can be "reverted" to a bottle-less version by using a variant without, you know, the bottle installed in it.

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