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Feds Target Instructors of Polygraph-Beating Methods
schwit1 writes "Federal agents have launched a criminal investigation of instructors who claim they can teach job applicants how to pass lie detector tests as part of the Obama administration's unprecedented crackdown on security violators and leakers. The criminal inquiry, which hasn't been acknowledged publicly, is aimed at discouraging criminals and spies from infiltrating the U.S. government by using the polygraph-beating techniques, which are said to include controlled breathing, muscle tensing, tongue biting and mental arithmetic. So far, authorities have targeted at least two instructors, one of whom has pleaded guilty to federal charges, several people familiar with the investigation told McClatchy. Investigators confiscated business records from the two men, which included the names of as many as 5,000 people who'd sought polygraph-beating advice. U.S. agencies have determined that at least 20 of them applied for government and federal contracting jobs, and at least half of that group was hired, including by the National Security Agency. By attempting to prosecute the instructors, federal officials are adopting a controversial legal stance that sharing such information should be treated as a crime and isn't protected under the First Amendment in some circumstances."
I mean if we are going to go with the crackpot solutions we wouldnt want phrenology to feel left out, i believe it has some valuable insight and wait till i tell you about alchemy and auras.
But I was not a poly dude, so I was all: 'Meh'.
Then they came for the yoga instructors, since relaxation is where it's at, and I was kinda: 'Urf?'
Then they came for my surf board.
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Be interesting if the course were a book and they sold it on Amazon instead of teaching a class. Make the 1st Amendment kick in a little harder.
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Just admitting that Polygraphs are not reliable indicators of truthfulness?
IALA
The real crime here is that law enforcement agencies are using such a notoriously unreliabletechnology for investigatory and evidentiary purposes. Polygraphs have absolutely no place in the modern justice system.
Finally, we have a case for information being outlawed.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's like attacking tarot readers for claiming they can work out when palmists are making shit up.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Why the hell are polygraphs still being used in the 21st century? They aren't admissible in a court of law for a damned good reason. They are junk science and no better than a voodoo board. The only thing they do is tell whether or not your nervous. They are a perfect example of something that provides a false sense of security as Ames and your other famous spies all /passed/ their lie detector tests. These things need placed in the museum of junk science post haste.
Is now more immoral and corrupt than his predecessor. That is quite a feat for anyone.
They aren't arresting people for just teaching the methods. The instructor they arrested had trained two undercover agents posing as criminals that wanted to lie on the exam. One was a drug trafficker and the other a correctional officer that smuggled drugs into prison and received sexual favors from an underage girl. The instructor taught them how to cover up those crimes. Seems pretty simple to me. If you say you want to rob a bank, and I give you a gun to do it I'm criminally liable for it. Why isn't fraud the same? It would be one thing if the instructor didn't know they were criminals, but he did. The summary makes it sound as if they're wantonly arresting people.
...Polygraphs can be beaten and as such are not reliable!
Deniability is man most powerful tool. So really its all about abstraction. What definition do you apply to the questions or do you simply deny the questioner over your own internal thoughts?
The ability of beat a polygraph might actually be a quality the government is looking for....... considering all the lies they have told and certainly spying would find the ability to beat a polygraph an asset.
So you see, its really all null and void this polygraph issue.
Now what more does anyone need to consider in their mental state to beat a polygraph?
Over the years I've seen 3 investigative reports on TV, and read many articles on the topic. It all comes down to the same thing: The polygraph is just a stage prop in an interrogation, for the purpose of scaring the ignorant into confessing. Here is Penn & Tellers report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NLf7XwLpyQ
Let's spread the news of how to beat polygraphs as widely as possible. Now we have the government banning it, that makes it desirable knowledge, OK?
From TFA: "Charles Honts, a psychology professor at Boise State University, said laboratory studies he’d conducted showed that countermeasures could be taught in one-on-one sessions to about 25 percent of the people who were tested. Polygraphers have no reliable way to detect someone who’s using the techniques, he said. In fact, he concluded that a significant number of people are wrongfully accused."
Mirror these sites and anything else you feel relevant
http://www.wikihow.com/Cheat-a-Polygraph-Test-(Lie-Detector)
https://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-034.shtml
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Wire fraud is a great crime.
Basically it captures any thing in the internet which even might involve money at some point, e.g. fines for copyright infringement, payment for services. And has huge maximum terms. So since almost everything involves money at some point and many things happen over the internet it allows them to add almost arbitrarily long sentances to something that would otherwise get almost nothing.
Basically the perfect legislation as far as they are concerned.
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> Investigators confiscated business records from the two men, which included the names of as many as
> 5,000 people who'd sought polygraph-beating advice.
Which was, of course, the real goal. Much like seizing the records of companies that sell hydroponics equipment.
So what has this incident taught these instructors, whether they be good or evil?
1. Cash-only and don't use records.
2. If someone says they want to do evil, give them their money back and kick them from the class. Otherwise, don't ask, don't tell.
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This comment is offensive to retarded people. They shouldn't be tainted with the same brush as jackbooted thugs.
Also an insult to lump them in with people that believe in polygraph, dowsing and homeopathy.
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I don't think the "polymorphic overlords" are here yet... unless Obama really is a giant weasel and not just pretending to be one.
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But they were not criminals, the lied to the instructor, so the instuctor was training liars not criminals.
Lies to fedgov are not protected by the first amendment, and fedgov makes job applicants waive their rights anyway. It is a crime to lie on a security clearance application, and a crime to lie to a federal agent. Helping someone lie to a federal agent is therefore also a crime.
George Costanza: "It isn't a lie if you believe it"
This comment is obviously offensive to jackbooted thugs as it clearly implies that they are lower in the social order than retarded people. This is clearly not the case as it takes considerable intellect to work out how to put on a pair of jackboots or even know what they are. You cannot go into your local mall and ask for a pair of jackboots, they never have them in stock. So simply being able to purchase a pair of jack boots shows considerable intellect.
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