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Florida Town Stores License Plate Camera Images For Ten Years

An anonymous reader writes "Yet another privacy concern story, this time from Florida. The Longboat Key police have their new license plate camera up and running, but according to the police chief, this one stores all images as 'evidence' for up to ten years. When questioned about the possibility for abuses of this camera's historical record, the chief said, 'There are regulations, policies and laws in place that prohibit that kind of abuse. And if abuse is discovered, it's punished.' What could possibly go wrong?"

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  1. What could go wrong? by meerling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The same thing that always goes wrong, somebody will abuse it because they can.

    1. Re:What could go wrong? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And then they will get away with it because cops don't care about enforcing laws that apply to cops.

      Indeed. No police officer has ever been disciplined, or even reprimanded, for abusing license plate photo data. So the chief's assurances mean zilch.

    2. Re:What could go wrong? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know of a local situation in which one was

      A few weeks suspension with pay isn't punishment (the rest of the world calls that a"holiday").

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  2. Welcome to Earth by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "'There are regulations, policies and laws in place that prohibit that kind of abuse. And if abuse is discovered, it's punished."

    It looks like you're new here. Welcome to Earth. Tell me more about your planet; what color is the sky there?

    Here are a few starting points to learn a bit more about how The Blue Wall works when the department regulates its own behavior:

    Wikipedia: Blue Code of Silence
    Wikipedia: Frank Serpico
    Wikipedia: Rampart Scandal

  3. He's right, it IS 'evidence' by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Evidence that we live in a police-surveilence state. Evidence of a flagrant disregard for the people they purport to "protect". Evidence of thugs and bullies abusing their power.

    1. Re:He's right, it IS 'evidence' by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Far worse than just that. The first time I read the headline (half asleep), I read it as "Florida Town Loses License Plate Camera Images For Ten Years". The data mining and privacy loss potential is enormous, so there could be an enormous reward for anyone willing to... how shall I put this... inadvertently misplace a hard drive containing that data.

      Remember that the more valuable the data you store electronically, the more likely it is to be stolen and used by the bad guys. At some point the value is so great that more of the data is likely to be used by the bad guys than the good guys. This is true for pretty much any definition of good/bad guys. For example, if I were a crook who knew a crooked cop, this would be a goldmine of information. With this data, I could figure out with a reasonable degree of probability when any given family is unlikely to be home, and use that to my advantage when planning robberies to drastically reduce the amount of stake-out time needed while still minimizing my chances of getting caught. And by looking at the makes of cars, I could gain further insight into the likelihood of the house having valuables in it, allowing me to choose my next target more quickly. Heck, somebody really enterprising could turn it into a black-market data mining business for other robbers and make a small fortune in no time flat.

      IMO, even if we completely ignore any risks posed by police abusing the data, the data theft risk alone from keeping this much personally identifiable tracking data on nearly every single person in the state of Florida for such a long period of time far outweighs any possible benefit it could have. Heck, the risk of keeping it for more than about a week far outweighs any practical benefit, statistically speaking. The risk of keeping it for ten years far exceeds the entire benefit of having a police force.

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  4. 10 Years? by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's appears to be longer than most Criminal Statute of Limitations in Florida, except for the most serious crimes.

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  5. Re:I could photograph your license plate by pitchpipe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I could photograph your license plate and keep it forever and nothing you can do about it. I can post it on the internet and nothing you can do about it.

    Yes you can private citizen, though It would be very difficult for you to photograph everyone's license plate at various locations all around the city 24/7 and store them forever. And you certainly can't link that person's phone records, bank records, browsing habits, etc., etc. and store those forever. And here's the rub: even if you could do all of that you yourself couldn't do a fucking thing about it because you don't have the law on your side giving you the power to break down people's doors in the middle of the night with a paramilitary unit of trained, lethally armed thugs who *know* you're a criminal.

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  6. Not only intrusive, but completely unnecessary by bieber · · Score: 5, Informative

    I grew up about a 15 minute drive away from Longboat key. Incidentally, I ran a camera at some of their city council meetings back when I did live video work, and they were about the most boring things I've ever sat through in my life. I literally watched them debate what kind of sand they should use to replenish their beaches for two hours on one occasion. On another I saw an argument go on for the better part of three hours, in which a new guest dock was being built at a gated community and the resident whose yard it was adjacent to was very much concerned that boats parked at the dock would obscure his view of the gulf. In a truly political compromise, they finally agreed that the dock would be built, but boaters should only use one side of it.

    The reason I remember these anecdotes is that they were by far the most exciting things I saw happen at any point in their city council meetings. Longboat key is a quiet community of mostly elderly, very wealthy retirees. Not only is it populated almost entirely by senior citizens, but the island is well enough isolated that there's essentially zero risk of almost anyone ever deliberately going there: the only reason I've ever been to it was for the aforementioned jobs and to drive through it to get to Sarasota. Basically, to anyone who's ever been near Longboat Key, the idea that they need any automated license plate scanning system, let alone one that retains records for a decade, is laughably absurd.

  7. Re:I could photograph your license plate by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes you can private citizen, though It would be very difficult for you to photograph everyone's license plate at various locations all around the city 24/7 and store them forever. And you certainly can't link that person's phone records, bank records, browsing habits, etc.

    I agree with the sentiment, but sadly it is out of date. License plates need to be completely rethought in lieu of the new capabilities available to both big brother (government) and little brother (citizenry).

    First it was only repo-men: License plate data not just for cops: Private companies are tracking your car

    But the allure of monetizing those databases was too much, so the lobbying began: MVTRAC Spearheads Victory Over California SB 1330

    And now the same companies that do track your phone calls, your bank records and your browsing habits are also selling license-plate tracking data:
    Data Brokers Are Now Selling Your Car's Location For $10 Online

    And just for shits and giggles I'm going to throw this one in, brought to you by those data brokers: Your employer may share your salary, and Equifax might sell that data

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  8. Simple by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Next time a local politician is suspected of philandering, simply FOIA the records and show how he and his girlfriend met at some hotel. Such rules will get changed in a hurry.