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US Intercepts Iranian Order For Attack On US Embassy In Iraq
cold fjord writes "Another NSA story? The Wall Street Journal reports, 'The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria ... U.S. officials said they are on alert for Iran's fleet of small, fast boats in the Persian Gulf ... U.S. officials also fear Hezbollah could attack the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. While the U.S. has moved military resources in the region for a possible strike, it has other assets in the area that would be ready to respond to any reprisals by Syria, Iran or its allies. ... Israel has so far been the focus of concerns about retaliation from Iran and its Lebanese militant ally Hezbollah. The commander-in-chief of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard Corps said last week that an attack on Syria would lead to the "destruction of Israel." ... The Iranian message, intercepted in recent days, came from Qasem Soleimani, the head of Revolutionary Guards' Qods Force, and went to Iranian-supported Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to U.S. officials.' What's interesting is this Washington Post story from 2011: Iran's Quds Force was blamed for attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq."
Situation normal.
All Rupert Murdoch newspapers are warmongering tools.
As a US service member, I really don't want this to happen because I'll probably get sent there if this flares up and I've got less than 5 months left in the military. However, I think the US fully deserves it if they do carry out this attack on Syria.
No idea if it's legitimate or not, but the Zimmerman Telegram was the first thing that came to mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
Within the last 10 years, both the United States and Israel have been busted for faking intelligence for supporting military strikes. The IDF, all of three years ago, was caught dubbing hair on fire anti-semitic slurs onto tapes from the Freedom Flotilla.
And, of course, remember that the U.S. and Israel have already committed multiple acts of war upon Iran, whether by Stuxnet or assassinating their nuclear scientists.
One of the hazards of the news business is that occasionally you end up reporting unpleasant or disagreeable news like this. Even "rainbows and puppies" papers like USA today are carrying the story.
Do you prefer the news, or rainbows, puppies, and unicorns?
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
First, look at the source. I'm sure that the US intelligence agencies will all run to the Wall Street Journal with leaked information. Next, there have been no facts presented for anything else they have been banging a war drum on. Not just for this, but for decades. Are we really supposed to keep trusting known liars and a corrupt media system?
We also have this one.
Not only do I not trust a corrupt media and politicians, I want them out of our country. Maybe a good first step in war is to start parachuting politicians into these foreign countries where they clamor for war?
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
So supposedly the US and British found evidence that Syria had used sarin, but refused to divulge the details. Now a mystery communication putting Iran and Syria together if attacked. First of all if they had intercepted this, why would they tell every one about it. Now Iran is going to find another form of communication since this one is compromised. The whole scenario is playing out like a bad 80's conspiracy movie.
The day after Snowden reveals NSA snoops secure internet traffic ...
Do we even trust the media anymore? They are just a tool for beating the war drums now.
Wasn't the whole CIA-Iran coup thing started with planting false stories in the media. How do we know that we aren't being fed planted stories?
It's like they think we're suddenly going to believe them. Turn off the bullshit- and propaganda-machines, no one is listening.
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Since I paid attention to the TV "news" as a teen or thereabouts, we (the west) have been at war with Iraq, then Iran, then Iraq, and now Iran is getting the propaganda treatment ready for another skirmish. Eric Blair must have used this for his 1984. I know people have short memories, aren't interested, claim it's god's will, or prefer "reality" TV to life beyond their sad lives, but come on, surely I'm not the only non-historian to see we're vacillating between these two?
We (the west, most likely US and UK) must be looking to supply Iraq (old UK territory) with a huge amount of expensive weaponry and military contractors, just like we did with Iran, and Iraq before them. It's not just the oil, it's the contracts, and it's not just the US. It's the old British and French regions constantly having to fight among themselves and the US led oil occupancy campaigns.
Nonsense. The WSJ (on the right) and NYT (on the left) are the two most intellectually solid papers in the US. Both have, over the last 20 years, been responsible for first breaking any number of very important stories.
Anybody who dismisses either of these papers because they happen to dislike the owners or the story being told doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
This may be PR of course. However, assuming that this is true, and given how it is coming at a spectacularly bad week, it's timeliness makes me suspicious. However, this is the sort of stuff we want our spooks to catch not deploy a dragnet over our own society.
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I dunno... it's from ColdFjord of all people. I mean, he's radically in favor of the NSA and anything that even remotely justifies their existance and current illegal activities is going to be spun as god's own truth. If he's involved in the discussion and the NSA is on topic, then I simply have to take everything with a fist-sized grain of salt. I'll just look elsewhere for information on who said what about Iran.
Isn't this just what the US wants? They know that if they escalate things in Syria, they will drag in Iran, and then they will have the mandate they want to hit Iran.
I have a feeling that this was the plan all along....
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I think the US has lost all its credibility in the world since it became known where all of the 'credible documents' about Iraq came from. I'll believe there were chemical weapons used but most likely it was the rebels, trying to get other countries involved in their war.
Also, as a European, I'm getting ever so tired of hearing how 'America is the policeman of the world'. Why not let the Middle East countries clean up their own mess for once? The added bonus being a lot less angry Muslims giving the US the stinkeye.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, this is a legitimate intercept that's been made public for the purposes of swaying public opinion in favor of the NSA's spying program. Were any of us upset that the US government is attempting to learn about the activities of other nations hostile to it? No, of course not.
But how does this supposedly justify any of the crap behavior we ARE upset about?
Do the Iranians use Verizon cell phones to give tactical orders to its sailors? Does Hezbollah use Gmail to coordinate its attacks? Maybe the G-20 ministers were going to kidnap an American right after the conference? Or perhaps its those NSA spooks' ex-wives that were going to aid and abet the Taliban in their next attacks?
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Who else, but Cold Fjord?
In regards to his continued efforts as the resident NSA Shill here at Slashdot, I respect his dogged determination to continue the fight, futile as it may be.
Keep it up--you've become a de facto inside-line on what the Feds want us to believe. It's like having our own mole inside the NSA.
You don't understand - the U.S. is like a cop. They're allowed to attack anyone they want, but you're a criminal if you resist in any way. The Syrians and their Iranian allies should just lay back, relax, and enjoy the pathetic reaming they're about to recieve.
WSJ is simply reporting what the gov't reported, it isn't like WSJ intercepted this with its crack reporters. It is the US gov't that I don't trust.
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-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Correct. Ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf?
At least this week.
I think America has finally realized they're being lied to; hell, Obama doesn't even look like he believes what he's saying, and that's suicide for a politician.
This will not end well, however it goes.
I advocate a full Nuclear Strike; It makes as much sense as everything else.
Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
good let someone else do something for a change.
Let iran and syria claim the west was scared. the USA has literally marched and rolled over countries in the blink of an eye.
The full on assault of Libya, and Iraq took 14-20 days. and we rolled over their defenses with minimal to no losses of our own. Do you honestly think iran would last longer than 30 days againist a full on military strike?
The problem is not the initial strike and devastating military blow but the aftermath. the long term engagement planning. the USA simply doesn't plan for more than 6 months into the future. It is why we keep getting bogged down into quagmires. We remember the revolutionary war and bam George washington was president, and we had a constitution. What is often forgotten is the articles of confederation lasted for the better part of ten years before we got it right and we didn't have Britain, or France breathing down our backs trying to "help" us. while the French supported us we forced the british out we started the fight and we finished the fight. you can not build nation from the outside it must be built inside. these muslim countries don't want freedom and democracy they want Ayatollah's and dictators.
Stay the fuck out of syria. Let them use chemical weapons on each other. Islam is heading for a full on civil war between shia and sunni's. It is going to make the Spanish inquisition the protestant reformations look peaceful. Stay the fuck out of the area and let them kill each other. You can't change their mind so you might as well not get your hands bloody.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
We can at least capitalise on the public's fear that we get everything, and use that plausibility to say what ever the hell serves our agenda!
Ladies and gentlemen I remind you this comes from agencies that are PAID to LIE.
I'll say this. If they had factual intercepts of private Iranian military communication wit this level of detail? They'd find more value in HIDING this capability, then by showing the hole poker-hand. Instead, they release this as a PR move to push a war agenda.
You can bet, when an unnamed official source produces actual evidence of this eavesdropping capability? He will be prosecuted as a traitor - and probably hounded to Moscow.
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I dismiss these papers because they hire nincompoops and frauds. They promote plagiarized stories, and take stenography from "official sources" to present as if that were the equivalent of factual reporting.
You can tout your Izvestia and Pravda, as "intellectual". If you apply that term to drivel and misinformation from Krauthamer and Friedman, you really need an education in critical thinking skills.
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Never been known to fail..."
Drop a nuke on the region and then use the money saved from not having the war to figure out how to remove radiation from oil.
winning!!!
The US has nothing to lose by just stepping back and letting that entire region sort themselves out by themselves. The sad thing is I don't see anyone or anything that could bring peace to that region. The US have no interests in Syria, Lebanon, or Iran. The US does have some interests in Israel but Israel is more than capable of protecting themselves if necessary. The last thing any of the countries in the region want is a real shooting war with Israel.
"The full on assault of Libya, and Iraq took 14-20 days. and we rolled over their defenses with minimal to no losses of our own. Do you honestly think iran would last longer than 30 days againist a full on military strike?"
And how many days did it take America to "roll over" Vietnam?
America is the World's pre-eminent super power but as soon as their boys start returning home in body bags, they lose the taste for war. Do you think Iran doesn't know this?
You can't compare Iran with Iraq. Iran is 4 times as large, over twice as populated and (unlike Iraq) largely ethnically homogenous and pretty unified. They lost between 300 000 and 600 000 in their war with Iraq and suffered chemical attacks but they still repelled the invaders (who were being assisted by the US). Can you image America taking even a small percentage of those casualties?
I don't want to sound down on America, but if you think this is going to be a walk in the park, you're going to get your asses kicked.
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The full on assault of Libya, and Iraq took 14-20 days. and we rolled over their defenses with minimal to no losses of our own. Do you honestly think iran would last longer than 30 days againist a full on military strike?
There was no "full on assault" in Libya, just air strikes.
I don't think Iran would last even 30 days against an actual full-on assault - but only provided that US is willing to accept casualties far beyond what it saw in Iraq. The big difference is that Iraq had rather ancient Soviet tech (and emasculated export models at that - e.g. Iraqi tanks didn't have NVDs). Iran boasts some more modern stuff, such as S-300, so any air strike will be more like real war, with some planes downed and all, and not the usual turkey shoot. On the ground, the big difference with Iraq is that Iran has a larger, better trained and equipped, and considerably more loyal army. In Iraq, the only troops that were willing to fight for Saddam were his Fedayeen, and they were a tiny minority. Iran has Basij, and the general populace would not view any foreign aggression kindly, with a lot of volunteers signing up for the army. Again, US certainly has enough firepower to deal with this all efficiently and quickly, but it will not be a walk in the park like Iraq; it will entail actual considerable casualties.
So it all hinges on whether American voters are ready to accept a significant surge in flag-draped coffins coming home or not. My bet is on not - at least not for the sake of Iran.
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What's a national liberation movement? Free a nation? If by 'Jewish people' they mean Jewish by religion, then it's a theocratic movement and deserves all the hatred it gets. If they mean Jewish by race then it's implicitly racist.
How about a movement to set up a free Israel, irrespective of the race or religion of its inhabitants?