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NSA Shares Intel On Americans With Israel
An anonymous reader writes "The U.K.'s Guardian newspaper is reporting that the NSA shares the raw intel collected on Americans with Israel. From the article: 'Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the U.S. government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis. ... The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing. The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of U.S. persons," repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights. But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content."'
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Made comments critical of Israel, next thing you know his Gmail documenting a fling with what's-her-name is brought out. Coincidence? I think not!
The NSA is *spying* on us, and aiding a foreign country with the data. Seriously, what separates this from treason? The fact that they're not betraying the government, just the people?
Don't trust any concentration of power.
If it makes you feel any better, the Israeli government pinky-promised that they wouldn't use it for anything bad. And that's a PINKY promise, mister!
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What the NSA, White House, Congress, and Judiciary (ie. FISA courts) are doing is un-Constitutional, meaning you can't get more illegal and deserving of maximum penalty than that. Murder is terrible and wrong, but it does not rise to the level of undermining the basis for our very society and the social contract that binds people to government and vice versa. With murder, one person dies; with undermining our system of government you get chaos, civil war, deprivation, demise of the rule of law, and masses of men, women, and children dying. Which is worse?
So what we're looking at right now, folks, and I mean all of us on the political Right and Left, is an entire government that has colluded to violate the Constitution, that is, the social contract that separates our country and society from Malthusian consequences. There can be no penalty harsh enough to punish them for what they have done. If we do not, as a People, levy that punishment on them now, immediately, then we deserve the misery of the slavery that meek acquiescence consigns us to.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
US said they consider cyber-attacks to be an act of war, so I am wondering when will US Government clarify who gave them authorization to declare war on so many countries, including 'allies'.
Because what NSA has been doing for years were acts of war, according to US Government.
Seriously, Americans? What do you care? What do you have to hide!?
I don't know yet. Personally, I don't want to find out after the fact that there was something I would have wanted hidden. Maybe I'm doing nothing wrong by today's standards, but who knows how we'll think about ourselves 10, 20, or 40 years from now?
Think of how many older people you know/knew who lived through the days when racism was still openly practiced and encouraged. Think of people who have mellowed their views about homosexuality only in the past decade. Think of how people used to smoke in their homes around their children. Or how they used to spank children that misbehaved. Or let them ride in the back of a truck with no seat belt. Or let them run around naked and even take pictures of it.
If you grew up in a rural area, you probably remember someone having hunting rifles on a gun rack in the back of their truck at school or maybe you even carried a pocketknife to school. Maybe you used to be the kind of geek that wore a trenchcoat before Columbine killed that fashion off.
So who knows what innocent thing I'm doing today that will be disapproved of later? Maybe it'll just be embarrassing. Maybe it'll be blackmail worthy. Maybe it'll even be grounds for suspecting me as some kind of future or current criminal. I mean, how many Muslims in America thought their social networks would be under heavy scrutiny before 9/11?
We shouldn't have to live in perpetual fear of the future or of the judgment of our peers. We need a personal space in which to unwind and to develop our thoughts before they're ready to take before public scrutiny. We need privacy to become ourselves and not just an empty reflection of what others expect from us.
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We provide most of the Israeli arms. Their jets, missiles, guns, etc are largely supplied by the US. The United States gave Israel nuclear arms technology, an unprecedented move on the part of the US indicating they have the highest level of trust with the United States.
You don't need to draw on any racist conspiracy theory to be aware that there is a huge Christian/Jewish political base in the United States. Additionally, there are a large number of wealthy Jewish families entrenched in the top tiers of US privatized banking system including most of the Federal Reserve board. That is a massive hammer of political and financial power that pretty much guarantees the US will never be in bed with any nation as tightly as Israel.
None of this is a secret, it is a big part of why the US is now such a big target for Muslim terrorist groups. The US hasn't been fighting these groups directly but has been supplying arms, funds, technology, to prop up Israel against Muslim nations and in more recent times the "war on terror" has given the excuse for more direct involvement.
This part is speculation, the above is well known, on the record, and not denied. If there is a magical wave of dissent suddenly springing out of nowhere in the past few years in the Muslim nations where the US has been taking interest and action I would be completely shocked. Recent events and unrest in Saudi Aradia, Egypt, Syria, etc definitely have the smell of the CIA with it's hands untied playing a lot of the same games it's already admitted to playing using other nations against the USSR in the cold war.
Also, there is data sharing with common wealth nations exposed in other memos already leaked just not on this level. There could be similar sharing programs with them that aren't part of this particular set of leaked information.
If it makes you feel any better, the Israeli government pinky-promised that they wouldn't use it for anything bad. And that's a PINKY promise, mister!
Right; I mean, it's not like Mossad has a reputation for being disreputable or anything...
And, one should keep in mind that Israel is basically the 51st state so It's not as if the NSA is sharing this data with foreigners.
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