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NYT Publisher Says Not Focusing on Engineering Was A Serious Mistake
curtwoodward writes "You'd have a hard time picking just one way the traditional news business stumbled into the Internet era. But America's most important newspaper publisher says one mistake sticks out. In a recent discussion at Harvard, Arthur Sulzberger Jr. of the New York Times said newspapers really messed up by not having enough engineers on hand 'building the tools that we're now using.' Instead, the the news business faces a world where outsiders like Facebook and Twitter control the technology that is distributing their work."
Or maybe those outsiders are just better.
All of this is very dangerous trend, where public and private entities (corporations) control majority of our speech. How can one exercise freedom of speech when in 21st century nearly all speech is digital, over this or that walled garden?
We have Net Neutrality protecting data transmission, where is our Digital Speech Neutrality?
And they still haven't figured it out, which is why many of them are sticking their content behind ineffective paywalls instead of building robust discussion communities.
These days, I surf to Google News and generally click on the first link that doesn't seem to have a video on it. I read so much faster than I could watch a video that as soon as I see one, I hit backspace instantly. (Also since I'm usually at work with mute on and very few of them have proper closed captioning on their videos!)
Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
used to be if you wanted to advertise in NYC, you did it in the NY Times. everything from a home to a car to a job. now someone else owns the platforms for advertising
but then again, the NY Times was always a snobby paper that turned its nose on anything the staff believed was below them.
A top newspaper like the NYT is all about the newsroom culture where the reporters are the heroes. IT is backroom in that environment. A big investment in IT would've been wasted because it would've been almost impossible to manage an innovation culture almost completely separate from the main mission of the company.
What they need to do is partner with IT companies in that space. Choose a small cap partner that will give them a stake, don't just rely on FB or Amazon or whatever.
In elementary school, the smart kids get made fun of simply because they are smart. Then it continued into middle school. It wasn't until High School that they started to realize "Hey, the smart kids actually know the answers!".
You'd think by adulthood they'd have learned their lesson... Then again we are talking about an industry that, 20 years after the public was able to get news via computer and ~10 years after they were able to get news on their phone, only recently decided to ditch the paper.
No.
They could have had every engineer who wound up working for FaceTubeTwitSpace on the NYT staff in 1999 (assuming timewarp so they're not 12 at the time) and they would still have failed, because the management would never have listened to the engineers. Because the engineers would have said, "Hmmm, this business model is going to fail because of distributed peer-to-peer information and content delivery. We should build a peer-to-peer information and content delivery instead, cannibalize and eventually abandon print advertising."
Would. Not. Happen.
To complete the /. analogy, this would be like in 1890, an engineer at a buggy whip manufacturer saying "Yeah, we're making tons of money off buggy whips, but this won't last. We need to retool our leather workers to make steering wheel covers for these new automojiggers instead, or I guarantee, in a little over a hundred years, people on futuristic electrically connected typewriters will write each other personal letters in which they use our industry as an example of failed business processes!"
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
I think you are making a huge mistake here.
Yes they are results oriented, but sometimes the best results are not found in the free market. For example we pay more than other first world nations for healthcare and get less of it. Clearly not a good result. The same thing with cell phones, our lack of regulation is preventing a good result.
You are confusing fact based and result oriented with a fear of change or being able to adopt new ideas.
Hiring more engineers doesn't help when your fundamental business model is flawed. Generations in the past, newspapers used to be about freedom. Now, newspapers are about control. The Internet is about freedom. Adapt or perish.
The answer is: You're a troll, Now go away. Troll.
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The interesting question is whether you can have serious, in-depth, journalism without print - there's a reason Snowden went to the papers and not to a TV station - but you're not going to answer it with engineers.
I think you're underestimating the number of Indian and Chinese engineers.
Now here was a paper who was forward thinking. Just like Japanese car makers never make excuses they just execute.
Japan knew the Internet was going to make a lot of content obsolete and so they started to release CD's of their news archives.
Shortly after that they started to produce an online version of their newspaper. WOW how novel!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yomiuri_Shimbun
The NewYork Times failed to Execute now they will be Executed.
The soft practitioners of social sciences frequently look down on the hard sciences. Why would an elite organization like the NYT hire engineers? Artists, designers, writers - yes, of course. An engineer? It would be like hiring a soldier or a rancher, a total non sequitur for the Times.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
You realize you were paying this already right?
The moment we gave everyone care via the ER by law we decided this was the way to do healthcare in the USA. The hospital covers their losses on people who do not pay by charging higher prices for those who do.
People who cannot afford it would qualify for low income plans. I am not sure why you oppose personal responsibility. Just like car insurance, we all know the time will come you will need it and if you don't have it you will force everyone else to pay for you.
But anything that doesn't worship at the altar of Ronald Reagan is clearly nothing but a leftist loon fest. Rush Limbaugh told me so.
The skills nevermind conception of social media would have been as it is, to undo the newspapers and replace it... no functioning business model. The publisher is looking at the technology and saying 'We should have done that' and is looking at the impact but forgetting that the world view to create those social media technologies is a different skill set.
He should go have a long lunch with someone from the record industry.
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
Back in the late 90's up to about 2001, I worked as a web author/web developer at a not so huge newspaper... we in the web department (Known as Electronic Publishing internally) had a pretty free hand to try and figure out how to keep the paper on top of technology.
We were pretty innovative for the time - we got our classifieds and real estate and obits online and we were able to publish breaking stories immediately and get our content online before it was in the physical paper ... a bunch of neat stuff.
Then, sometime in mid 2000, our paper got bought by a big conglomerate.... they had their own very cookie cutter online approach and gutted the soul of our department - there was no innovation - hell, we lost a huge number of features that we had been doing for a couple years, but they didn't have equivalents for in their system.
They homogenized their "online strategy" and threw out the baby with the bathwater... Now, I think they're still struggling with trying to stay relevant as the world moves farther and farther away from paper - they are too big and too stuck in their ways to have the kind of entrepreneurial innovation that our smaller paper had...
Ok, sorry for rambling on - the point is that some papers - the ones who "got" the web may have been able to innovate and stay relevant ... but the big media behemoths have had a much harder time adjusting... they're simply not agile enough and not willing to embrace "disruptive technologies" (tech that threatens their current business model)
The bigger they are, the more slowly they turn.
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There are another couple of factors at work. First, journalists tend to be English majors who say things like, "math is hard," or "computers hate me." Second, once they come to work for a place like the New York Times their fragile egos swell to gargantuan proportions to insulate them from the reality that they really don't know how to do anything, and nobody really cares what they have to say. Next to those two factors, the presence or absence of engineers in their walls is irrelevant.
Even as recently as two years ago their entrenched attitudes had not altered one bit, though the increasingly frequent waves of layoffs had sent hot jets of fear up their spines. They started to wake up to the fact that their way of life was slipping away. But instead of taking concrete action to do something about it, they clung to fantasies like ebooks and tablets being the white knight that would save all of publishing and allow them to continue to be elitist snobs.
Now that that promise has evaporated, they are reduced to sniping at the "pfah! mere bloggers" who have been scooping them on story after story lately. They thumb their noses at crowd-sourced reporting platforms like Ushahidi. They get their panties in a bunch when the Whitehouse invited the first blogger to participate in the press briefings. They worry that they are incapable of doing that kind of reporting any more because the corporate overlords who they've gotten so deeply into bed with will not allow the truth to come to light lest they should not invite them to their fabulous parties anymore.
But most of all, they won't deal with reality because they just cannot tolerate the idea that the control of the public discourse is slipping out of their fingers for good, and that they will be undeniably as irrelevant as they, deep down in their hearts, have always known they are.
And that, my friends, is something that no amount of engineers or platforms or technology in the world can save them from. So, dear old New York Times, because you refuse to adapt to the times, I am afraid your times are about up. Pack up and go commiserate with your former star reporters, Jayson Blair and Judith Miller.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
The NYT is a hidebound unionista redoubt, resistant to new ideas from within or without. They think like employees, not entrepreneurs. And that, ultimately, is why they will fail.
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There will still be reporters and the news sites that managed to adapt enough to survive in the Internet era, but I don't think there will be print papers for that much longer. I suspect Google will be the largest employer of reporters in the future, and that they'll somehow figure out how to outsource local news reporting. Google had the kind of vision to build the media platform of the future. Newspapers didn't.
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Software developed by non-software companies tends (in my experience) to disappoint on all three counts: quality, price, and speed of delivery.
For starters, non-software companies typically suffer from the All Three fallacy: they want it good, cheap, and fast. No "pick one" principle here: they want it all. Over-optimistic projections then give way to crappy software and extended disappointment.
The core problem, however, is that software companies are better at creating software (forgive me for stating the obvious) because they specialize in creating software, which puts non-software companies (newspapers, banks, whatever) in the second ranks at best.
Related observation: non-software companies have been hot for "Agile" over the past several years; in my experience, every last one of them is not taken seriously, or indeed is treated with rich and deeply-felt contempt, by every last developer at that company. (Personally, I try to let it go, write it off as inevitable industry marketing jargon.)
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He's looking at two successes ( twitter, facebook), ignoring all of the failures in the same vein ( myspace, friendster, plurk, etc) and assuming that if they had just hired enough engineers they would have had the the successful companies and not failed like the other companies trying to do the same thing.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
From the second fine article: "It's the nature of employees to want to do the things outsiders might do for you. And it's not just money it's costing you. People coming from outside your organization are free to think without the encumbrances of insiders."
No, it's not. It's the nature of consultants to want to separate you as a company from your money. It is the nature of consultants to attempt to sell their services by any means possible, including questioning the work ethic and intelligence of employees.
"People coming from outside your organization are free to think without the encumbrances of insiders."
Yup. Instead, they are completely shackled by the encumbrances of outsiders: Not being truly invested in a company's well-being at the top.
I've been at this awhile now. I've been a consultant (and liked it) and an employee (and liked that, too). I've seen organizations go through the outsource-insource-outsource cycle enough to know it makes little difference.
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Sure, but we have crossed that bridge.
Unless you think we can repeal that. I would love, but I would also insist on making a public system like medicare available to all americans.
The irony in this is that it was technology that made the newspapers possible. Without the technology of the printing press there would never have been newspapers in the first place.
Proverbs 21:19
The thing is, reduced freedom is a good thing in this instance. In fact, a monopoly (the government) with the interests of the people in mind, is a great thing in this situation. When there's only one buyer for the vast majority of all medical treatment, that buyer can run the table on all of the suppliers. With the current US health care system, the drugs companies can tell insurance companies "pay this much, or you don't get to use our drug", in a socialised system, the government can tell the drug companies "sell it to us for this much, or you don't get to supply us, and that means you don't get to supply anyone of any significance".
The bottom line in this is undeniable. The average amount paid for health care in other developed nations is 4 times lower than the amount paid in the US. The level of treatment is on average higher. I don't understand why so many americans fight against 4 times lower cost for better treatment.
It is a business school fundamental teaching nowadays that a company better cannibalize its own product before someone else does. In the real world, that almost never happens. It is just too hard for the financial minds in a company to approve any act which jeopardizes current profits.
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And when the hospital no longer has to cover those losses, they will see more profit. Because they certainly won't reduce their prices.
They would if they were competing.
Here is another problem with healthcare and the free market. It really can't function. This is because when you really need a hospital you are in no condition to select one. Even if the doctors are much worse your results might be better by going to a closer hospital simply because of the injury you suffer by delaying treatment.
Actually, the markets have self-corrected once again and far more people are going to urgent care centers than ERs for things that don't need ER care. Having a binary of "primary care physician" and "emergency care" was just asking people to pick the quick ER with expensive care over the cheaper but longer term doctor's appointment - where it could be days or weeks before your PCP could see you. The rise of the UC center and grocery store medical facilities has finally caused the ballooning healthcare costs to flatline this year. Many insurance companies also changed the UC copay to be closer to that of the PCP in an effort to encourage folks to choose that instead of ER.
In short, Americans are finally figuring out that a sinus infection, while something that does require prompt care, does not qualify as a traumatic injury and thus doesn't need a $2,000 visit to the ER. And our wonderful free market system has encouraged clinics to cater just to these people at a much lower price.
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Funny enough, I still read the WSJ in print. My office keeps a subscription and puts it in the break room. Me and a few other folks share sections during lunch, or skim the headlines while waiting for coffee.
Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
The real savings are that the urgent care can deny care to those who lack insurance or the ability to pay upfront. I love the urgent care facilities, but they will only make the ER more crowded with those who cannot pay.
The free market solves the one problem well, the other not at all.
I remember many years ago the Dallas Morning News threatening to sue anyone who made a hyperlink directly to a story, instead of linking to the front page and telling people to go find the story (obviously so DMN could get more ad impressions). They should have hired more programmers and engineers so that they would eventually find one that would make outside links (referrer not from their own domain) redirect to their front page.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Don't be such a troll. If the NYT was so liberal and leftie, explain its stenography for the Bush Admin., resulting in two undeclared wars with thousands of dead people in Iraq and Afghanistan financed with cooked off the books loans, and its support for the Bush led but Obama fulfilled idiocies re: the banking system, Guantanamo, and a host of other violations of common decency.
The answer is: They watched two building collapse, killing thousands of people, some of whom they knew.
ftfy
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The hospital covers their losses on people who do not pay by charging higher prices for those who do.
So that means, with all the extra money flowing into the system, which will now be solely used to cover these previous losses, my bill will go down, right? That's what is supposed to happen, right?
Or is this about giving the health insurance companies hundreds of millions of dollars in free money from people like me who don't need health services?
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
PAGES Inc., software developer, initially built templates for TIME magazine to shorten time to market. The pulp version was 3 days stale before presses printed the news. TIME's goal was to get it down to 3 hours. TIME chose to forgo software and the rest is history. Apple copied the concept of the defunct corporate project naming the application after its namesake inspiration, Pages.
You plan to live forever with no maladies ever?
Care to share your secret?
Or do you mean right now, you don't need it and later you will simply leech by going to the ER?
I still read the WSJ in print. My office keeps a subscription and puts it in the break room. Me and a few other folks share sections during lunch, or skim the headlines while waiting for coffee
It's easy to make jokes about charging per-reader for hard copy, etc., but it does make me wonder: what's the ratio of readers per purchased paper copy vs. the percent of online readers who buy a subscription? After all, most office-worker environments do just as quoted, providing a few newspapers in the break room. Similarly, your dentist, doctor, speedy-oil-change, hairdresser, etc. fill their waiting rooms with newspapers and magazines (plus probably CNN on a monitor). I wonder where the real "even trade" point is for online subscribers.
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It is not, if you can do that you should have no problem insuring yourself. You should only need several hundred thousand dollars laying around for that. If you can't manage that you need insurance. For the same reason we make you buy car insurance.
None of those lifestyle choices are the major cost centers. In fact living a long and healthy life tends to lead to very expensive medical bills. Your average obese drug abusing smoker who drinks too much will not likely live long enough to get the really expensive diseases like cancer.
You pay for that emergency room visit anyway through taxes. if people could get preventative work done, there would be alot less emergency room visits, and in turn less cost (it is alot cheaper to give somebody a mild antibiotic and tell them to stay home for a few days for bronchitis, vs spending a crapton when they get pneumonia, require a ton of high powered antibiotics, and require to stay in the hospital for two weeks.
but that requires either a single payer system or mandated insurance in order for people to get the insurance, with the fines to cover the cost for ER reimbursement.
those who don't want to go single payer or mandated insurance, and don't want to pay for the current ER based solution are basically telling those in poverty and the working class to go die under a bridge if they get anything more complicated then a stuffy nose.
I gave up on Google News years ago when it became obvious it was being gamed by propagandistic 'news' outlets like Fox News and Newsmax to get their biased (or outright lying) headline as the large leading one on top of any story even remotely connected to politics, economics, military action, or women's rights. Google never bothered to address the gaming, so it's not even worth pulling up anymore.
It's not that the NYT needs software engineers. It's that they need ad engineers. You know, the slimeballs who figure out how to hang relevant ads on everything. (Including personal email - that was really slimy.) The slimeballs who figure out how to reformat crap to maximize the number of ad impressions. (See any online "Top 10" list.)
Distributing news is straightforward. It's monetizing the process that's hard.
We all know that Newspapers and even to some degree, TV and Radio are "Old School" news reporting. It is filtered and biased news sources now. People make fun of Fox News and MSNBC, and places like CNN, NYT and Washington Post for their bias, but that has always been the case, they are just getting caught more, in their lies and lies of omission. It is treating the public as infantile ignorant boobs, because that is how they view the public. Granted, a large portion of the populace is more interested in the latest misdeeds of Ms Cyrus than who is killing who in Syria.
Here is a great example of the bias in "traditional news media" http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/16/time-mag-hides-putins-success-from-u-s-voters/
While I'm aware that Time magazine often has different covers for different regions, this one is one that exposes the bias and the assumption that Americans care less about Putin (and Syria) than a sports story.
The problem is, many Americans, and people around the world, are bypassing the old guard simply because they aren't getting the "real" story, but rather one that has been massaged and twisted for easy consumption by the masses. These news organizations put forth "AR-15" during the recent shooting at the Naval Shipyard in DC, along with descriptions that were simply no accurate to who the shooter was, and are now ignoring the mental illness aspect of the story because none of that fits the narrative (bias) they want to portray.
It would be comical if it weren't so blatant. I do not trust anything that has been filtered, or run through the media machine. Things like Twitter and Blogs provide a mess of opinion and facts, but are pure and raw in a way that provides a better and more balanced view of the events as they unfold. The old guard media is still concerned with controlling the flow of information, in a world without any controls on that flow. They are going to lose.
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I wasn't making any statements about that, or whether that's a good or bad thing. I was pointing out that a previous supposition in this thread - that the healthcare market is a free market - is false. Interesting that a basic factual assertion got modded down, though. :-)
For the same reason we make you buy car insurance.
False dichotomy. While I have never had an accident in the several decades I've been driving, there is still a very small, non-zero chance I may plow into you. That affects you as well as I. Personally, since I've been such a great driver my rate should be half what it is, but it's still lower than almost everyone else. But that's a story for another time.
If I break my arm, how does that affect you? It doesn't. That's the difference. You want to get drunk every weekend or do whatever drugs you want, the cost of your medical expenses should be on your shoulders, not mine.
With RomObamacare, the burden is shifted to everyone else EXCEPT the person who should be taking personal responsibility for their lives. Instead, they get to continue to smoke, be obese, kill their liver, do drugs, secure in the knowledge that no matter what, someone else will pick up the tab. Not them.
That's the difference.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
What the newspapers needed are analysts, not engineers.
Analysts start with facts, not bullshit standard 'industry wisdom.'
to wit, first demolish 2 silly assumptions:
The New York Times has never been as popular as the Natl Enquirer and News of the World. That's a fact, So don't equate the NYT with the newspaper biz.
Second, most newspapers made money on their classified and display ads. Subscriptions are not for profit; they are only to show to advertisers to justify the cost. In other words, subscription numbers are just the number of eyeballs for sale.
Start from the real starting place and you might find a way out. Hiring engineers to put molded brushed aluminum rails around your product is about as useful as putting lipstick on a pig.
If I can pay for my medical care out of my own pocket, how is that leeching
Well, since there's zero proof you can, because you have no idea what health problems may lie in your future, you assume that I'll carry the cost, motherfucker.
And I'm sick of carrying THE DEAD WEIGHT OF MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU with my ridiculous monthly insurance premiums. So, quit your bitching and carry your own dead ass, thanks.
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The answer is: They watched two building collapse, killing thousands of people, some of whom they knew.
Not really an excuse for killing thousands of other people they didn't know.
One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / the next it's rolling over me / I can get back on / I can get back on
... sometimes the best results are not found in the free market. For example we pay more than other first world nations for healthcare and get less of it. Clearly not a good result. The same thing with cell phones, our lack of regulation is preventing a good result.
So, so wrong, hard to know where to begin. You have an FCC, FFS. Why do you think coverage is split up among vendors like fiefdoms? Why is it so many have only one (if that) choice of provider? You think the free market created this mess?
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The answer is: They watched two building collapse, killing thousands of people, some of whom they knew.
Not really an excuse for killing thousands of other people they didn't know.
No offense meant, but what world do you live on? For humans, vengeance and retribution are always excuses for killing people.
That's not even getting into the mistakes and simple-minded statements in Ralph's post.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
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No, it's not an EXCUSE. It's a reason. There's a big difference. Vengeance and demands for retribution are the reasons people set about killing other people. They are not EXCUSES, because vengeance and a demand for retribution do not exculpate people for being violent dickheads. IT simply explains why they are violent dickheads.
FTFY
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