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Nokia's Elop Set To Receive $25 Million Bonus After Acquisition

jones_supa writes with an update on the Microsoft purchase of Nokia. From the article: "Stephen Elop, the former Nokia Oyj chief executive officer who is rejoining Microsoft, is set to get more than $25 million if the Finnish company completes the sale of its handset business to the software maker. Microsoft will pay 70 percent of the projected total amount of about 18.8 million euros ($25.5 million), and Nokia the remainder, according to a proxy filing by Nokia today. The value of Elop's reward is estimated using Nokia's Sept. 6 closing share price and may still change. Nokia shares have dropped by more than a third since Elop was hired on Sept. 10, 2010, even with the stock's gain since the sale to Microsoft was announced. Nokia shareholders are set to vote on the transaction Nov. 19. Elop will move back to Microsoft as part of the $7.2 billion takeover. He is also a candidate to succeed Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer."

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  1. Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good to see the old boys network is thriving.

    They don't choose candidates with successful track records, just the ones who they play golf with.

    From the sounds of it, Elop completely fucked Nokia, is selling the farm to Microsoft, and will make out like a bandit and get the chance to be considered to run Microsoft.

    All in all, I'd say the shareholders of Nokia are getting the shaft here. This is just corporate pillaging.

    1. Re:Ahhh ... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      What makes you think that was not a success?

    2. Re: Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MS got Nokia cheap, Elop gets millions. I'd say it was a success for both of them. Nokia? They got screwed from the inside out.

    3. Re: Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except their board voted yes to all of this. I think they were in on the conspiracy from day 1. Nokia shareholders and employees got totally screwed.

    4. Re:Ahhh ... by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are exactly correct: embrace extend extinguish, same as always. This is no different. The extend was Elop -> Nokia, and back to MS after the damage is done.

    5. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also ran Android? Yeah, like anyone has made a bundle selling anything Windows on the mobile platform in a long time. It was only profitable when it was the only game in town.

      As for direct involvement, well, the "tank Nokia and buy them at discount" plan had been hatched long before Elop even left Microsoft. He played his part perfectly.

    6. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A decade ago was 2003. Nokia dominated smart phones sales from 2005 through 2010. Their decline started with the release of the first iPhone, however, they still dominated for a while after that.

      As to their speculative alternative corporate turnaround strategies: at this late date it's hard to believe they could have done any worse. They are doing worse than Blackberry at the moment. They are losing money on each smartphone sale because they are selling at below cost. So they are running out of cash pretty quickly. This is not a winning strategy. It would have been better for them to have simply abandoned the smart phone market altogether.

    7. Re: Ahhh ... by eka.renardi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Xiaomi does not even exist when Elop became CEO of Nokia. And they are thriving. Android maybe a saturated market, bit it is a market that is growing and thriving. Windows phone on the other hand is a technology looking for a market. Nokia has it all, the value chain, the distribution channel, all they have to do is to sell phone what everyone wants. Instead Elop make a decision to sell a phone, so lame, that nobody wants.

    8. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The objective was for MS to enter mobile phones on the cheap. They bribed Nokia to kill their own very successful OS and to not join Android. As a result, their phone sales plummeted to the point very few people will consider them. They rolled out Win-Phone devices no one wanted and tanked further. MS then come along and buy the company on the cheap, gain a former major player and an absolute shitload of telco patents.

      Mission accomplished.

    9. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First, Stephen Elop wasn't directly involved with much of the negotiation that happened between Microsoft and Nokia.

      Ah, so he just gets the $25M bonus from stuff that he wasn't so involved with? Much better.

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    10. Re:Ahhh ... by DMiax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some have suggested that Nokia should have adopted Android. There's already an overwhelming glut of Android devices on the market. Samsung is the dominant player by a huge margin with LG, HTC, Sony fighting over scraps. So what would be Nokia's strategy? Enter the fray as an also ran and hope that in the next 5+ years they somehow evolve into a relevant player? Don't forget that they were already heavily bleeding cash by this point.

      If there is a meme that needs to die about Nokia is this absurd notion that Windows Phones are somehow not competing with the Android phones.

    11. Re:Ahhh ... by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Nokia's decline started over a decade ago when they thought the future of mobile phones was disposable fashion accessories.

      Is that not what they are? Was their problem was being too early in coming to that conclusion?

    12. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, Stephen Elop wasn't directly involved with much of the negotiation that happened between Microsoft and Nokia.

      WTF? The CEO wasn't involved in takeover negotiations? If he wasn't involved then he wasn't CEO.

    13. Re:Ahhh ... by Quila · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Notice MS is giving most of the money. It's the payoff for selling Nokia for cheap.

    14. Re:Ahhh ... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Keeping meego and going forward with that might have actually got them somewhere. They had the resources just fine, until they fired them to keep the books looking a little better for a few months.

    15. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What complete BS. Nokia's smartphone unit was making profits, had incrasing smartphone sales, and was far bigger than apple or samsung before they switched to windows phone. Only after this, sales dropped and sales turned into losses. Just look it up, the numbers are out there.

    16. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stephen Elop wasn't directly involved with much of the negotiation that happened between Microsoft and Nokia.

      Yeah, suuuuuure, the former Goon of Steve Balmer and Nokia CEO was not involved in selling his company to his former (and future) employer. WTF are you smoking?

      Secondly, and more importantly, Nokia was as good as dead without Microsoft and Windows Phone.

      Bullshit. It probably wasn't a bad idea to sell Windows phones, but that allone would not mean tehey had to drop Symbian, Meego and Android - execpt again, when you remember where Elop came from.

    17. Re:Ahhh ... by wonkavader · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is hogwash. Elop killed the company's feature phone business which was doing fine for the time being. Yes, Nokia needed help. Yes, it was on a slope downward and needed to figure out how to compete. But Elop didn't do that. Elop jumped forward without covering the company's behind.

      That he made a wrong choice of where to jump to, that it suspicious in hindsight, those are irrelevant. He didn't work to preserve the part of the business which worked and would have kept working for several more years if he hadn't driven a stake into it -- that is his massive sin of incompetance, or perhaps worse.

    18. Re:Ahhh ... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have heard rumours that Nokia was so unhappy with the sales of Windows Phones ( or more likely, their profit margin on the things) that they were considering dumping them for Android - and that the MS takeover is a reaction to that.

      I'm not sure if it was the board who were pushing for that, and Elop snitched on the plans to his old buddies, or if Elop figured it all out (on his own!) that he'd end up forcing the takeover.

    19. Re:Ahhh ... by Rinikusu · · Score: 2

      Nokia could compete very well on hardware quality on the Android platform. Sure, there's a gigantic glut of android phones, but the vast majority are cheap plastic garbage. If the 1020 was available on my carrier and had Android, it would be a no-brainer for me. And you're wrong: no one is talking about the 1020 because of Windows Phone 8, they're talking about the amazing camera on it.

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    20. Re:Ahhh ... by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      The shareholders hired Elop. The shareholders kept Elop on. It will be the shareholders who approve the buyout. And it will be the shareholders who vote to reward Elop.

      So yes the sharehodlers are getting the shaft, but they're asking for it. I don't understand the motivation behind bondage and dominance, but who am I to judge the shareholders' sexual proclivities?

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    21. Re:Ahhh ... by gagol · · Score: 1

      I cant believe this is legal. Looks like insider trading to me, but I am not a lawyer. If a lawyer reads this, can you enlighten us about legal recourse by Nokia shareholders?

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    22. Re:Ahhh ... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Good to see the old boys network is thriving.

      They don't choose candidates with successful track records, just the ones who they play golf with.

      From the sounds of it, Elop completely fucked Nokia, is selling the farm to Microsoft, and will make out like a bandit and get the chance to be considered to run Microsoft.

      All in all, I'd say the shareholders of Nokia are getting the shaft here. This is just corporate pillaging.

      Aye, squire Anonymous, it be makin' pirates appear nearly civil, by ways of comparison. I be getting downhearted. ox)P-(

      Bonny job Master Elop, yer company is headed for Davy Jones locker, here be yer booty!

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    23. Re:Ahhh ... by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Smaller shareholders were never asked and they were told that Elop was trying to run the company well and not deliberately tank it - but he tanked it deliberately and is now being paid for doing so. he should be sued, pretty much everyone in the world thinks he deliberately tanked it.

      See, if the board had issued a stockmarket info piece saying that they hired Elop to destroy the firm then it would be all legit - it being legit being directly tied to if they announced their intentions to stockholders. but they didn't. if the board fucks small investors deliberately that's illegal and they of course had inside information that he was going to fuck up the company in various ways - best example of deliberately fucking up the company being to publicly announce a product line as dead - a product line that was selling more units than ever before in it's life, that same year was also the best ever for symbian app revenues for developers - in panic he announced it dead to kill it. Tying Nokia to a shitty "smart"phone platform was just icing on that shitcake.

      That he is getting a bonus for finalizing Nokias death is not that much of a surprise though, since his career possibilities outside of MS are pretty much burnt - because he is a shit CEO, like, he is really really bad at that job while being quite good in taking bribes, only fscking idiot would put a guy like that in charge. I can't see Gates putting him in charge of MS because all Elop would do would be to sell it to Oracle in 4 years(He would find a way, first by announcing that Windows is dead because ,if you count smartphones and tablets as computers, then it's marketshare has tanked and will be 0% if current trends continue in 5 years(insert xckcd comic about trends) and then he would announce they're going to go all cloud with Oracles cloud tools "before it's too late" and then it would just naturally flow from there..).

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    24. Re: Ahhh ... by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And don't forget that the remains of Nokia still hold all of their patents. Since they won't be manufacturing phones anymore the only reason I can think od for them to NOT have sold them to Microsoft is so they can sue Apple and all the Android manufacturers and Microsoft can pretend that they have nothing to do with it.

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    25. Re:Ahhh ... by used2win32 · · Score: 1

      embrace extend extinguish

      That is what they do.... and they do it well.

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    26. Re:Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Independent of any discussion about what Nokia MIGHT have done when Elop arrived, the fact remains that Nokia stock price when he joined was about $9/share.
      Today, it's worth $6, but only because of the buyout, until then, it hovered around $4/share. Its market cap today, around $25b, versus $40-50b that it was when he joined.

      So, the original comments about old boys network et al, stand. He lost $25b for shareholders during his tenure and is rewarded with $25m.

      Does anyone really think he's success at turning a company around?

      Does anyone think Elop would NOT have gone to Microsoft if they offered say, $5m? MS Shareholders should ask, why are they paying so much, he'd have joined for free for the chance to take Ballmer's place?

       

    27. Re: Ahhh ... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      According to Forbes 2.2B of the sale price was for the patents. So it looks like MS can keep making money off the Android licensing business they have going.
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/09/03/microsoft-to-buy-nokias-mobile-business-for-5b-license-patents-for-2-2b/

    28. Re:Ahhh ... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need to read up on the facts before making such statements. First, Stephen Elop wasn't directly involved with much of the negotiation that happened between Microsoft and Nokia.

      I could them telling Elop not to be involved for the sake of conflicts of interest; however, my guess is that Elop was involved on the Microsoft side about this kind of thing before he took the position at Nokia.

      Secondly, and more importantly, Nokia was as good as dead without Microsoft and Windows Phone.

      Quite incorrect. I'm familiar with quite a few people who worked for Nokia and they had a great line up coming about. The only MeeGo-based phone ever sold (the N900) did far better than any WIndows Phones, had rave reviews, etc. It did so well that when Nokia kicked it to the curb the employees who worked on it started a new company (Jolla) and are now producing it under a new name - SailFish - and still getting rave reviews, a good audience, etc. That could have been Nokia - only better since Nokia had a full pipeline (some of which Jolla picked up in terms of sales channels) that they could have really pumped it full with.

      Nokia's decline started over a decade ago when they thought the future of mobile phones was disposable fashion accessories. When they finally got into smartphones late in the game they chose technological dead ends.

      Again, incorrect. They did make some mistakes with how they handled Symbian. However, they had a very large market using Symbian and they had setup a complete transition for customers and partners to move from Symbian to MeeGo. Something that got completely tossed out in the move to Windows.

      Praise Symbian or Meego to your heart's content but it's all irrelevant. Nokia didn't have the resources to turn either into a relevant platform.

      Incorrect. Nokia had plenty of capability to turn MeeGo into a competitor to iOS and Android.

      There was far too much effort and expense required to turn them into viable competitors to Android or iOS, let alone then getting third parties to support the platform with apps.

      Again incorrect. They had a very viable platform with a large community of developers under Symbian that they were providing a means of transition to MeeGo for. They had all the third party apps - and one of the biggest and oldest app stores (Ovi) to do it with.

      Some have suggested that Nokia should have adopted Android. There's already an overwhelming glut of Android devices on the market.

      There is now. There were not that many when Elop started at Nokia. Android was well established - it was quickly becoming a dominant player - but many had not yet aligned themselves to it. It was obvious Android would be #1 or #2 alongside iOS. Either way, Android with a transition plan for their existing Symbian partners would have let them keep what they had - a very sizeable chunk of the mobile market.

      Samsung is the dominant player by a huge margin with LG, HTC, Sony fighting over scraps.

      FYI - Samsung picked up that position and margin in the wake of people's reaction to Elop's burning memo platform and total annihilation of their Symbian and MeegGo products in favor of a Windows Phone they had not yet finished making. If Elop had not pre-emptively killed MeeGo then they would have had kept that dominant position and Samsung would have had to fight to get there.

      So what would be Nokia's strategy? Enter the fray as an also ran and hope that in the next 5+ years they somehow evolve into a relevant player?

      That was certainly the position in taking on Windows phone.

      Don't forget that they were already heavily bleeding cash by this point.

      Again, as others pointed out they were still profitable - which means they were not bleeding cash. You only bleed cash when your books go

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    29. Re: Ahhh ... by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      Talk for your self my shares have quadroupled in price since in bought them.

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    30. Re: Ahhh ... by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      since i bought them*

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    31. Re: Ahhh ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apparently Nokia can make phones again after 30 months.

    32. Re:Ahhh ... by sconeu · · Score: 2

      "From the sounds of it, Elop completely fucked Nokia, is selling the farm to Microsoft, and will make out like a bandit and get the chance to be considered to run Microsoft."

      In other words, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!

      What do you think Elop took the job for? First thing he did was kill all other development at Nokia except Windows Phone. There's been speculation since his first day at Nokia that he was a MS plant.

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    33. Re:Ahhh ... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It's a payment for him to keep out of all the Scandinavian countries for the rest of his life.

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    34. Re:Ahhh ... by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      Yep, quality cameras on phones have always been a Nokia strongpoint, perhaps together with Sony. I remember one of the final Nokia Symbian smartphones (think it was the N8?) where they actually shot the commercial photos with the phone (I wouldn't have guessed it).

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    35. Re: Ahhh ... by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      According to Forbes 2.2B of the sale price was for the patents. So it looks like MS can keep making money off the Android licensing business they have going. http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/09/03/microsoft-to-buy-nokias-mobile-business-for-5b-license-patents-for-2-2b/

      The headline of the article you linked to is "Microsoft To Buy Nokia's Mobile Business For $5B, License Patents For $2.2B" (emphases mine)

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    36. Re:Ahhh ... by Xest · · Score: 1

      I agree this whole situation stinks pretty badly. It seems pretty clear cut that Elop went in to reduce Nokia's value so Microsoft could buy it cheap and hire him back.

      But can anyone from Finland confirm to me what the feelings are about this in Finland? Has your government not considered an investigation into how utterly dodgy this deal was? Given that it was the destruction of one of Finland's greatest success stories I'm surprised your country hasn't blocked the sale and looked at pushing criminal charges against Elop. Is there much more about this in Finnish news? are there any investigations there into how dodgy this whole situation that made thousands of Fins lose their jobs is?

    37. Re:Ahhh ... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      But can anyone from Finland confirm to me what the feelings are about this in Finland?

      Outrage. Even the local right wing seems to think it's absurd to reward a leader who's either totally inept or a trojan horse with such gigantic sums, especially in this economic situation.

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    38. Re: Ahhh ... by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      This is JUST the kind of leadership Microsoft deserves! The world + dog would be really happy if they nominated this Elop guy to run the ship.

      (World + dog that wants to watch in glee as this Elop guy finds the closest iceberg!!!)

    39. Re: Ahhh ... by hazydave · · Score: 1

      Yes, Android and iOS were exploding the smartphone market in 2010, when Elop took over. Nokia wasn't growkng nearly as fast, but they were still growing. They sold over 110 million smartphones in 2010, more than iOS, more than Android, more than both combined. Nokia's profits were up over every 2009 quarter, and still into 2011. Nokia announced the exclusive move to Windows Phone late in February. That was when profits failed... they had one more profitable quarter, a small profit in fourth quarter 2012... though less than Microsoft's $250M per quarter subsidy, and that only after over 12,000 jobs had been cut.

      Really, if Microsoft didn't send Elop to kill Nokia's phone business and get the devices division for a song (less than Skype), it would be hard to imagine a better result -- for Microsoft or Elop himself -- if they had. In fact, that's about the only reason to not suspect a conspiracy here: what has Microsoft done lately that's been as effective as killing off Nokia and getting that division cheap?

      But how about an alternate history. In this one, Nokia rightly notices that SymbianOS won't last, and plain old Linux won't beat iOS. Given the observation that they already had more in-house Linux smartphone experience than anyone else, they jump into Android. They're already moving on it in late 2010, leveraging N series hardware, no need for the complete redesigns that Windows Phone requires. They launch new devices in Spring of 2011, and have no need to kill the SymbianOS market. SymbianOS sells 130M units in 2011, 95M in 2012... and Nokia is established as a strong player in Android, before Samsung dominates as they do today.

      Keep in mind, in 2010 Apple's sales were strongly US biased, while Nokia didn't compete in the US market. So really, the competition just wasn't there yet, not the way it's seen through the 2013 lens. And Android would have provided Nokia with the perfect entre into the US market.

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  2. For some reason... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the phrase "thirty pieces of silver" keeps coming to mind...

    1. Re:For some reason... by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 2

      Well, here "Microsoft" tells you enough.

    2. Re:For some reason... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people here predicted that Elop was sent in to tank Nokia and get MS to buy it. Others argued that, besides loyalty to MS, why would be do that? Well $25M is another reason. He may not have known the exact amount but generally the CEO of a company getting bought out would be well compensated for it even if the deal is terrible for everyone else.

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    3. Re:For some reason... by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      I know, right. Judas sold out cheap.

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  3. Conscience? by CMYKjunkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how Elop can sleep at night for getting $25mil to tank a company.

    But I suppose it isn't too hard on a pillow made of 250,000 Benjamins

    1. Re:Conscience? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      $25 million buys an awful lot of Ambien

      And, hookers and blow if needed.

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    2. Re:Conscience? by Apharmd · · Score: 5, Funny

      How does he sleep? On the finest silk sheets, of course. Morality is for the little people.

    3. Re:Conscience? by turgid · · Score: 2

      Oh, now, cynicism!

      It's just the Great Invisible Hand changing the lightbulb.

      The Great Invisible Hand has probably already advanced the careers and earnings potentials of all of the staff that were let go as a result.

      Stop thinking like a pinko-commie.

    4. Re:Conscience? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Companies are expendable constructs, so they are often expended. They exist to turn a profit for those who control them.

      Note I didn't say "invest in them" though those may overlap. :-)

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    5. Re:Conscience? by gagol · · Score: 4, Funny

      Elop looks like Dogbert inside a human costume to me.

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  4. Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Funny

    I could have run their business into the ground for half that much!

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    1. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You might not have dug quite as deep into the ground though. It takes special skills to fail so extensively.

    2. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by Threni · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you might have produced a high end Android phone people actually wanted to buy!

    3. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Will someone explain to me like I'm five how it is that most large corporations seem to have buckets of cash lying around to waste on executive pay? It seems to me that executives rarely do anything similar to pitching a perfect game in major league baseball, yet they're given money like they are. And how is it that companies that do this aren't out competed by companies who give reasonable pay?

      I'm a flamingly liberal academic. I have no understanding of business. I don't worship at the altar of "free market economics solves all problems," so I wouldn't be surprised if there were an obvious reason such wasteful spending isn't going extinct. Still, a simpler explanation would be that these executives actually DO make decisions which justify their absurd paychecks, or at least make it worth it to a company.

      So seriously, what's the deal?

    4. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      My similarly pinko commie understanding is that compensation is voted on by the board and these folks are generally board members of other companies where their board members are executives. So they all give each other huge salaries and raises for fear if they vote against they might no get huge salaries and lose out on crazy raises.

    5. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Informative

      You need to work on your pyschopathy. Everyone has some psychopathic tendencies, but if you want to understand a CEO you need to embrace and extend (but certainly not extinguish) those traits.

      Stomp on little animals. Steal money from children. Get elected to some office and perform some official malfeasance. Find a trophy wife or two (or husband, lets be 21st century about this). Read up on biographies of famous people.

      You seem like an intelligent, hard working person. It's not beyond your grasp.

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    6. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      That doesn't explain why companies that do not play this game aren't driving such companies to extinction.

    7. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by stanjo74 · · Score: 2
      very simple. The bigger and older the company, the more proxy voter shareholders it has (traded on the secondary exchanges to millions to people who own only a handful of shares each). These shareholders have no clue what is going on in the company they own. They let the board and executives run the show unabated.

      The real game is played at the board level and executives. The company itself is just a stage - nobody cares about the company in the long run - one can always incorporate another. The board and the executives care about the company as a mean to an end - to make money off it. How the money is made - it doesn't matter. Sometimes money is made by making product and selling it; sometimes money is made by selling out; sometimes by liquidating and golden parachutes.

      A successful public company is that makes the board and the executives rich. Products, employment, etc. is just secondary effects, to make things look not too sociopathic.

    8. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Several reasons. First, while the skim is outrageous, it's not enough to kill these companies, although many of the "fellate the stock analysts" cost cutting programs could be largely paid for through cutting CEO compensation.

      Second, the share price of a company is based not on the value of the company, but on the perceived value. As long as enough people believe that these "superstar" CEO's are worth the money, or even if enough people believe that enough other people believe that (that can be parsed - seriously), then CEO's will get this sort of outrageous pay.

    9. Re:Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      What I find funny is that most people on the street are so negative when someone who has pitched a perfect game in major league baseball gets paid a lot ... the performance of these sportsmen can be measured extremely accurately, the level of income they generate for their clubs can be estimated pretty well ... and yet they make too much money. Whereas management who's performance can't be measured and the level of income they generate for their companies is completely fucking unknown deserve the big bucks ... even most people in the street have internalized neo-liberalism.

      Any way the argument for management salaries is generally "oh well their salaries are such a small part of expenses, paying them less doesn't make much sense since it doesn't affect the bottom line ... better to pay more in the hope that you get the better ones".

    10. Re: Nokia was RIPPED OFF! by GauteL · · Score: 1

      Why large, wealthy individual shareholders would be fine with this, I don't know. They should be screaming out to protect their interests, so I can only assume that they sold out a long time ago and are now actually shorting the company.

      But most other shareholders are either tiny, with almost no say, or they are shareholders through large third party funds. And the CEOs of those large third party funds are tightly linked with the CEOs of the companies in question. They all skim as much as they can off the shared wealth.

  5. A comparison by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That'd be like giving captain Schettino a bonus when the Costa Concordia is salvaged, even though he's the dolt who sank it.

    1. Re:A comparison by akozakie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No. That's like a salvage company taking over the sunken ship for pennies and rehiring the captain they sent there.

      Corporate assasination is relatively easy. Corporate poisoning is difficult. He had to make Nokia cheap as fast as possible but without completely killing it or losing the technological potential or IP assets. Plus, narrowly avoid crossing the line that would cause either legal problems or massive shareholder outrage. That's a hard job. The bonus is well earned.

  6. Very good... and a better suggestion by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

    when, not if; Elop rejoins Microsoft; Google and the Android phone developers could reward him another $1 bn for achieving the same spectacular success he did at Finland.

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  7. WTF? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is this even legal? It is almost as if nobody sees it as a bribe because they don't think a bribe can happen in the open. The SEC needs to put a stop to this acquisition. It smacks of fraud on a massive level.

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    1. Re:WTF? by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that the damage is done. Nokia is dead, the spider venom injected years ago has already liquefied the innards, all that's left is for the spider to suck the guts back out. Stopping it now isn't going to save Nokia.

      All we can hope is that future traders will see incoming Microsoft leadership as a strong sell signal.

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    2. Re:WTF? by Dagger2 · · Score: 1

      We may not be able to save Nokia, but maybe we can save the next company that would've fallen victim to this.

    3. Re:WTF? by triffid_98 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I understand this may be confusing on the face of it. Here are a couple of helpful articles explaining why these shady deals happen all the time in spite of government *cough* 'oversight'.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

    4. Re:WTF? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      No, no,no. A bribe is when you give the money up front.

    5. Re:WTF? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:WTF? by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the damage is done. Nokia is dead, the spider venom injected years ago has already liquefied the innards, all that's left is for the spider to suck the guts back out. Stopping it now isn't going to save Nokia.

      All we can hope is that future traders will see incoming Microsoft leadership as a strong sell signal.

      So...the optimal outcome is that MS will be able to perform this kind of tactic more quickly??

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    7. Re:WTF? by krups+gusto · · Score: 1

      But it killing the spider now might make it not kill again... or worse - breed.

  8. Returning to the Mothership by nojayuk · · Score: 5, Funny

    E-lop. Phone. Hoooome.

  9. Not bad by PPH · · Score: 1

    Assuming 98,000 Nokia employees, that's about $255 per scalp.

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    1. Re:Not bad by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe 575?

      Latest report says they have 87k employees. I don’t know how many are in the D&S division that Microsoft is buying but they do produce about ½ the revenues so I am going to guess that they have ½ the employees.

  10. Re:it's worth it by sjames · · Score: 2

    Unless the former and future MS exec had some influence on Nokia's fall into the pit of despair. Like, for example, running it poorly.

  11. CEOs and Weather Forecasters by DontBlameCanada · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll take, "Professions You Get Paid No Matter How Much You Fuck Up" for $25 million Alex.

    Excerpt from the new reality gameshow: Shareholder Jeopardy

    1. Re:CEOs and Weather Forecasters by chuckinator · · Score: 1

      Don't forget civil servants and politicians.

    2. Re:CEOs and Weather Forecasters by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Don't leave out the weatherman. That's almost daily!

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    3. Re:CEOs and Weather Forecasters by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      ... you read the subject line of this thread, right? That little box over where you type stuff?

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  12. And people wonder why we hate CEOs by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So let me get this right. He took over Nokia 3 years ago. In that time their stock price has dropped by more than a third. In any way you measure it, he has failed as the head of the company. So they decide to sell to Microsoft, because he has been unable to do his job well and do anything to keep them from sinking further. And he will be REWARDED with $25 million?!?!?! So for helping his company continue to fail, he will get a $25 million dollar bonus over what is I'm sure a fairly ridiculous compensation package.

    And to top it off, he is on the short list of people to become the new Microsoft CEO? They really are considering basically giving him a huge promotion for being unable to turn Nokia around and letting them get so bad off that selling to MS was their only option? CEOs are absolutely rewarded for failure, because his performance can't be seen as anything other than a failure.

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    1. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by paavo512 · · Score: 1

      CEOs are absolutely rewarded for success, because his performance can't be seen as anything other than a success by Microsoft.

      There, fixed that for you!

    2. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In any way you measure it, he has failed as the head of the company.

      Some people will say that the company was in decline when he joined; he was successful in making the decline smaller. E.g. they didn't actually go bankrupt.

      (I think those people are deluded, but that's just my opinion).

    3. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, Microsoft is rewarding him. His job was to make Nokia cheap for Microsoft to purchase. He did a fantastic job. So they are rewarding him.

      Microsoft has seen that Elop is a fantastic candidate - he is willing to ruin other companies for Microsoft's benefit. Can Microsoft ask for a more loyal candidate for a CEO?

    4. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by Flavianoep · · Score: 2

      If anyone wants proof of what is said above: Ten people that made millions for being terrible at their job

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    5. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by thoth · · Score: 2

      Sounds like Wall Street Rules, where success is rewarded and so is failure, just a little less so.

    6. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      I am going to disagree with you. Sometimes you want to throw cash at the CEO to go away. If you don’t they will hold on to the bitter end and they will make sure it is bitter. You are making the assumption that he ran the company into the ground. Nokia had issues before they hired Elop and I don’t think he made the situation any worse. (Nor did he make the situation better so there is that.)

      I will point out that the 25m comes from the change of control clause – he would have been paid that no matter who had bought them out.

      I might question the amount but not the principle.

    7. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      CEOs often do get rewarded for their failures, but this was a success, just not for the company he was CEO of. But we pretty much knew this or something like it was coming.

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    8. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I might question the amount but not the principle.

      I believe I speak for most slashdotters in saying that $25 US dollars would have been plenty.

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    9. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Well, it sounds to me like he did it on purpose in order to make a smaller purchase price for Microsoft. I think the shareholders should sue him and Microsoft for actual damages of $8 billion and punitive damages of another $80 billion.

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    10. Re:And people wonder why we hate CEOs by neonmonk · · Score: 1

      I think all of the people he fired & the projects he gutted point to Elop making it worse.

      This guy is a cut & dry corporate psychopath. Make no bones about it. Juniper, Adobe, he's been fucking with companies his entire career.

      http://boingboing.net/2011/02/14/nokias-radical-ceo-h.html

  13. Well, of course. by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Money paid for value received. Microsoft got what they wanted, an artificially undervalued cell division, and paid accordingly.

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    1. Re:Well, of course. by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      There is that.

      I predict that Microsoft will find a reason to exit the phone market in two-three years, stating that hardware is not their core competency or something similar.

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  14. Re:it's worth it by Qzukk · · Score: 2

    Therefore, $25 million is a pittance compraed to the billions that Nokia shareholders would have lost had the deal not gone through.

    How much would they have lost if Elop hadn't slit the company's throat in the first place to butcher it for Microsoft?

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  15. Exactly like Belluzzo by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sounds almost exactly like how Belluzzo was rewarded for killing HPUX, PA-RISC, IRIX, and 64-bitMIPS in favor of WinNT-on-Itanium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Belluzzo

    1. Re:Exactly like Belluzzo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Now I have become Richard, the destroyer of micro architectures."

  16. Why all the complacency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I knew this was going to happen. EVERYONE knew this was going to happen the moment we heard a Microsoft guy was going to be put in charge. EVERY step this guy has taken has led to this.

    I always remember Nokia as being a point of national pride for the finns! They loved to brag about it, being in the forefront of a hot and growing tech industry. Why are they letting an American company walk in and scoop it all up in what is essentially a giant fraudulent business exchange? So many high-tech jobs lost. Where is the outrage?

    I know Finland isn't the US, but why haven't executives been hauled in front of whatever the equivalent of congress is there to explain why a key industry has been sabotaged and sold overseas?

    1. Re:Why all the complacency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nokia was a finnish company, owned by finns. Later it was majority owned by US investment co, US mutuals funds et.c. They control the board, appoint a US CEO.
      The nationality of ownership changed. Nokia listed on NYSE since 1994. The owners thought that Elop was the right man to lead the company.

    2. Re:Why all the complacency? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      I always remember Nokia as being a point of national pride for the finns! They loved to brag about it, being in the forefront of a hot and growing tech industry. Why are they letting an American company walk in and scoop it all up in what is essentially a giant fraudulent business exchange? So many high-tech jobs lost. Where is the outrage?

      As a Finn I suggest that it is because Finns are too humble...

    3. Re:Why all the complacency? by GauteL · · Score: 1

      The parent wrote nothing to suggest he isn't fully aware that you can list on the NYSE without being incorporated in the US.

      You, however, seem not to understand the most important thing about large international corporations; regardless of where they are from, or where they have been "incorporated", they can and often do, move location. If it is more profitable to run the company abroad, the only possible thing that can keep them in their native country is sentiment from the owners. If the owners are all american, they won't give one iota about the finnish roots of the company.

      Listing Nokia on the NYSE was to attract US investors. They succeeded in that, but at the same time (obviously) diluted finnish ownership.

  17. Shill alert by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before anyone bothers to carefully craft a response to the poster above, have a look at his comment history: this is one of the clearest examples of a Microsoft shill that I've ever seen on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Shill alert by Mr_DW · · Score: 2

      Before anyone bothers to carefully craft a response to the poster above, have a look at his comment history: this is one of the clearest examples of a Microsoft shill that I've ever seen on Slashdot.

      If you were honest you would have put: "Before anyone bothers to engage in a reasoned debate *I* shall step in with an ad hominem attack and show how my thoughts are superior over this loser. You know because I don't actually have the ability to debate them. " Sad!

    2. Re:Shill alert by Maow · · Score: 1

      Before anyone bothers to carefully craft a response to the poster above, have a look at his comment history: this is one of the clearest examples of a Microsoft shill that I've ever seen on Slashdot.

      Hang on a second. I read a page and a half of his / her posting history, and that's not a shill. I'm throwing away the mod points I've used in this thread to correct the unfair accusation. And, for the record, I hate MicroSoft (and Apple, and am very wary of Google).

      I thought you'd uncovered one of those guys from a year or two ago that always got a lengthy first post on any MS or Google story with gushing, orgasmic MS-will-save-the-world or Google-will-destroy-western-civilisation diatribe.

      This guy, MaWeiTao, has plenty of posts that have nothing to do with MS what-so-ever.

      And in those that do refer to MS, things like:

      I agree that Ballmer needs to go; Microsoft does have some fundamental problems. However, I take issue with how you dismissive you are of the things on your list. That many of those products have struggled is due more to poor perception than actual lack of quality.

      Windows 8 may have it's issues but it's a legitimately good OS. Like it or not, it's been incredibly influential for user interface design. Notice that the flat look is in; so much so that even Apple has abandoned skeuomorphics in favor of the look. Windows 8's bigger problem is the persistent bad press.

      ...

      It's difficult to deny that Microsoft doesn't deserve what they're getting. As a Windows Phone user myself I've found myself increasingly disenfranchised what seems like general indifference towards the platform from Microsoft.

      are things you may disagree with, but they aren't the words of a bloody shill.

      This is likely a better example of a possible shill: http://slashdot.org/~DCTech... They had uids in the 2,500,000 range, lengthy first-posts made at the moment the story went live, subscribers...

  18. Like a dragon... by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 4, Funny

    On a huge pile of money!

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  19. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read the blogs following Nokia and check financial statements. Although declining, Noka was profitable company until Elop took over.
    Then sharp decline and mercy killing by Microsoft.
    It had very bad smell from beginning.

  20. Better title: 25 to life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In finnish prison.
    Enough said.

  21. Good news for Jolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Given that Jolla is having their second round of pre-orders today (in Finland only), I expect Finns, angry at the looting of one of Finland's biggest and most well-known companies by Microsoft, are more likely than ever to throw money at a Finnish phone maker founded by ex-Nokia guys who quit and/or were fired under Elop...

  22. So we have the Peter Pinnacle.. by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    We have the Peter Pinnacle when Ballmer announced he was leaving. I guess this makes this situation the old, tried and tested, Peter Principle. I've already dumped my Microsoft stock a long time ago but when there's speculation that this retard will be Ballmer's replacement, I can't help but think that shareholders and customers will be wanting Ballmer back! That in and of itself is abhorrent but if you're going to get burned in a fire or boiled in oil I guess it pretty much doesn't matter which path you choose, you're dead. Let's hope that the executive search committee looking into Ballmer's replacement at least chooses somebody with vision and conviction in terms of setting a strategy to move Microsoft forward again.

    To paraphrase Obi-wan "This is not the executive your looking for."

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  23. Shareholders and board... by unique_parrot · · Score: 1

    ...got deluded. Nokia reminds me of this comic strip http://static.nichtlustig.de/toondb/020111.html

  24. Quoting directly from VentureBeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "A high ranking VP of a corporate giant becomes the new CEO of a company in a different business, in a different country. He doesn’t sell his home in Seattle, nor does his family move with him, even though he’s ostensibly going to be there permanently. Over the next three years, he makes counterintuitive decisions that abandon his new company’s core strengths, and their value plummets to a tiny fraction of what it was.

    You get the idea. Essentially, the theory here — and this has been floating around for a while — is that Stephen Elop became the CEO of Nokia to soften the company up for the Microsoft takeover left Nokia without its hardware business."

    It is so blindingly obvious. If anyone doesn't see this, they are beyond hope. One might quote the Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice....", but it simply does not account for the amount of maneuvering and the number of counterintuitive senseless decisions that made this acquisition possible. What is more applicable is: "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,.....".

    1. Re:Quoting directly from VentureBeat by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

      Stupidity can not explain the decisions made here. Only malice can.

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  25. Ranier Wolfcastle Answer by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    On a big pile of money, surrounded by many beautiful ladies.

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  26. Such breathtaking gall! by kawabago · · Score: 1

    Microsoft uses it's influence to put it's executive in charge of Nokia. Executive does everything possible to destroy value in Nokia. Microsoft buys Nokia for a fraction of what it was worth before trojan executive. I don't see how the whole thing can be anything other than a carefully planned fraud perpetrated on Nokia shareholders.

  27. Re:Conscience? EFlop has by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    no more conscience than EFlops Redmond puppet master, Vladimir Ballmer.

  28. Mission Accomplished by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    Executives do not play by the same rules as the rest of us. The can obviously act in the worst interests of their company and shareholders, and are never taken to task for it.

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    1. Re: Mission Accomplished by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? People were buying Nokia phones! Other than the US, Nokia was the top seller of dumbphones, featurephones, and smartphones pretty much everywhere. Yes, they had some serious internal problems, but their market position was very strong. Even if they had introduced nothing new, if they had kept just selling Symbian phones with gradual improvements, they wouldn't have sunk like they did with Winblows Phoney!

  29. An Inspiration To Us All by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    Just remember kids, if you REALLY work at it, one day you too could suck as much as that guy and get paid $25 million for it! It's the American Dream!

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  30. How appropriate by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    ....for "talk like a pirate" day.

    Elop shoulders his booty as he stepped over the rail onto the winning ship.

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  31. Fail by mrwolf007 · · Score: 1

    First of all. Android isnt an instant success guarantee that some people seem to postulate.
    Obviously you need to distinguish yourself. I mean, rock solid hardware, bloody good cameras, you know things like that.
    But the big, bloody obious point to be made. Do you know a single phone manufacturer that sells more Windows phones than Android phones? I mean, quite a few have both in stock. There are enough models around that are available with either Android or Windows. Please enlighten me if there are any of those that actually sell better with Windows.

  32. There were no dollars in them days by Rumata · · Score: 1

    But sons of bitches -- yeah.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5MZiF-eJIM

  33. Anti-shill alert by RedBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before anyone bothers to carefully craft a response to the poster above, have a look at his comment history: this is one of the clearest examples of a Microsoft shill that I've ever seen on Slashdot.

    Despite your post's high "informative" mod points (at the moment) I do not believe you are correct. I was curious, so I actually did take a look at MaWeiTao's comment history, as you suggested, and see no evidence of anything but fairly well-reasoned and balanced posts on a variety of subjects, including Microsoft, where he seems to hold a remarkably neutral position rarely seen on this forum. Perhaps that is the problem? His argument that the Slashdot community tends to harbor foaming-at-the-mouth purposeless hatred for everything Microsoft does even when they haven't really done anything wrong seems to have been right on point, and even the mods agreed with him on that particular day.

    Evidence of being a Microsoft shill, I do not see. What I do see is that you launched an apparently unjustified ad hominem attack against someone you happen to disagree with. Just because this person has a slightly different opinion and/or perspective about Apple and/or Microsoft and/or Nokia than you do does not make them a shill. Did MaWeiTao arouse your ire precisely because he tends to post using a very neutral, non-confrontational tone of voice? Kind of like me? He fails to constantly attack Microsoft sufficiently so that makes him a shill? His opinions could hardly be considered praise. They're just neutral.

    I now wait with bated* breath for someone to baselessly accuse me of being a Microsoft shill as well, for having the temerity to defend someone who has been accused (and apparently convicted by some) of being a Microsoft shill.

    * Yes that is the correct spelling. Look it up. A dictionary lookup a day keeps ignorance at bay. I just made that up.

    1. Re:Anti-shill alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I did not bother to look up the comment history, but:

      "You need to read up on the facts before making such statements. First, Stephen Elop wasn't directly involved with much of the negotiation that happened between Microsoft and Nokia. Secondly, and more importantly, Nokia was as good as dead without Microsoft and Windows Phone"

      is very shill-like. If we "get the facts" it is clear that Nokia was far from dead before they announced Symbian dead to switch to Windows Phone.

      http://www.asymco.com/2013/04/18/lumia-is-the-light-visible/

      If you can also look up the numbers at: http://www.nokia.com/global/about-nokia/investors/financials/reports/results---reports/
      To see that there smartphone unit went unprofitable exactly at that time and that it was highly profitable before.

      The numbers speak a very clear language: Windows Phone killed Nokia. If you state the opposite and start your post with "You need to read up on the facts" you are either a shill or otherwise a lier.

    2. Re:Anti-shill alert by Rational · · Score: 2

      the Slashdot community tends to harbor foaming-at-the-mouth purposeless hatred for everything Microsoft does

      Unless, of course, a comparison is being made with Apple at the time...

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    3. Re:Anti-shill alert by Xest · · Score: 1

      It's the new insult, and the problem is it's come about because Slashdot has had a few shill accounts- there used to be a guy who first-posted attacking Google with a brand new account with no account history and instant +5.

      A Slashdot admin also confirmed to me at least one incident of someone with a pro-Apple bias having multiple accounts set up as mod point bots though I suspect this was more desperate fanboy than professional shill. The admins here do remove mod privileges on reports of such abuse of the system though, though I suspect that's futile as there's not much they can do about people just creating even more accounts.

      But as usual people have taken it too far, Slashdot's paranoia crowd have decided anyone who disagrees with them is a shill.

      I've personally been accused of being a shill for the NSA, Microsoft, Google, Apple and Sony in the last 6 months alone.

      But if only they knew. For me it's way worse than being a shill, I work in the financial services and banking sector.

  34. Yeah, new MS motto. by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    So, it was a good run where Elop managed to change the "embrace, extend, extinguish" mantra into "embrace, f*ck it up, s*ck it up".

    Good job. Well done. Nokia shareholders are probably the most happy about it.

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  35. A fitting name in hungarian by little1973 · · Score: 1

    Ellop (with double l) means 'to steal' in hungarian.

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  36. You know what is going to take real balls? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    The TRUE horror of how corrupt the system is will become clear if Elop really does become the next MS CEO. Because that would be the smoking gun. Despite what everyone seems to think Elop is far from a shoe-in for next CEO of MS. And ruining your previous company is hardly a good thing to be considered for such a position.

    UNLESS of course he didn't screw up at Nokia but did exactly what his bosses at MS wanted him to do. But then rewarding him with the CEO title would be all the evidence even the most rabid wallstreet fan would need.

    If you hire a hitman to kill your wife you can't then reward that hitman in full public view without providing evidence there is a link between the two of you. That is why brown envelopes exist, you pay your assasin in secret, away from prying eyes. You don't pay them in your financial report.

    Personally I think something much simpler is going on, Ballmer and Elop are just the type to fully belief that this was the best thing. That Elop did NOT kill of Nokia but rather saved IT!

    When people live in ivory towers for to long, they really start to believe their yes-men.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  37. Re:What do nokia insiders over the last 10yrs thin by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Has there been a public reaction from olli-pekka kallasvuo or jorma ollila?

    At least Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo commented on it. Basically his general opinion was that "sure it is dramatic, but I am sure the board made the right decisions".

  38. Stephen "The Microsoft Mole" Elop by Dekonega · · Score: 1

    Since he went and revealed to be part of the Belluzzo club of moles, it would only the fair and just if Elop was awarded title of "The Microsoft Mole". Don't you agree?

  39. A warning to other companies... by suss · · Score: 1

    If Microsoft offers to "Partner" with you, run and don't look back.

  40. Elop for MS CEO! by quax · · Score: 1

    He did such a bang-up job at Nokia, can't wait to see what he'll do with MS.

  41. nonsense by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    Elop joined a phone company who proved over and over that they didn't understand the new phone market was about the value adds and not the phones. He then managed to find a way to keep the company from going bankrupt long enough while still decreasing its value long enough to make it inexpensive enough to sell off for a bunch of money. He saved tons of jobs, successfully killed counterproductive relationships with Intel and Symbian, both companies who would keep the majority of the app store profits to themselves. And all the while, as Nokia died while trying to be a handset seller, hooked up with Microsoft who could never enter the phone business themselves without giving Nokia grounds to sue them for billions or buying Nokia and making it an accessory to their mobile business.

    If he and Ballmer planned this, they probably saved Nokia, kept their share holders from losing 100% instead of 30% and saved tons of jobs, viliages and more.

    If it happened by convenience caused by negligence... It still had the same effect.

    Too many people here base their opinion on a false belief that Nokia would have done better another way.Their internal corporate culture is well documented as having been broken. They invested billions in projects like Symbian because of stupid ideas like "it'll run on much less hardware than the other operating systems". They made their platform suck for everything by trying to force that approach. So they put 33mhz CPUs in their phones when everyone else out 200Mhz CPUs in. Sure! The OS ran great on that. Same as if you put Windows or any other OS on it. But app developers were screwed. Web browsers sucked. Games sucked. Graphics sucked. But the battery lasted long.

    Apple, Qualcomm and everyone else used bigger, faster CPUs and Nokia kept using crap. Apple makes their own CPUs. Samsung, Qualcomm, etc... All did. Nokia kept trying to use off the shelf general purpose crap. When using TI OMAP chips, they didn't even make the DSP core work which would have helped massively. Nokia just did it all wrong.

    Look at Sony... Still doesn't understand the phone market. Ericsson is gone. HTC and Samsung are unique because they both use the cheapest engineers in the cheapest countries to develop phones to be manufactured as cheaply as possible. So they can make a profit on a phone and cut a profit. Samsung (not HTC) competes against Apple by making all their own parts and depending on no one else.

    Microsoft might be able to make this work if they do phones like tablets.