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Hackers, Gamers and Tech Workers: The UK Needs You For a New Cyber Army

girlmad writes "The UK government is looking to recruit IT experts for a cyber reserves army, which will help it defend against the threat of cyber warfare. 'This is an exciting opportunity for internet experts in industry to put their skills to good use for the nation, protecting our vital computer systems and capabilities,' said the Ministry of Defence. The reserve unit will cover a range of military cyber tactics, including a strike capability to augment the UK's military prowess."

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  1. "Gamers" by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since gamers today are basically anyone who has the utterly amazing skill of being able to get bored long enough to reach for a CD, how about we leave them off the listed of request people, thanks.

    1. Re:"Gamers" by schneidafunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably planning ahead, operating drones & killer robots will basically be a video game.

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    2. Re:"Gamers" by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      Don't confuse casual gamers with the devoted.

      As someone whose mother has clocked more time in bejeweled than I have in all my JRPGs combined, which is which?

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    3. Re:"Gamers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      In my day, we would spend months adjusting DOS drivers so we could catch a glimpse of a game in wonderful CGA color. Why, the games would ship with bandages and a coupon for a free transfusion at the local hospital from all the blood lost from changing soundcard IRQ jumpers. /offmylawn

  2. Sting Operation by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Riiiiiighttttt... they're asking all "potential troublemakers" to come on in and get on their big, happy, new list. Just wait, some day the long knives will come out.

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  3. LOL ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Wow, I don't envy anybody the job of sifting through that mountain of applicants who are all self professed l337 hax0rs.

    As Grouch Marx said, I donâ(TM)t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member -- and this group is likely going to self-select for some strange people.

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    1. Re:LOL ... by Ravaldy · · Score: 2

      Like any job opportunity, you weed out a great % just by the resume. Once you find a few viable candidates the rest of the resumes get filed and reopened if need be. This situation isn't unique to this job opportunity. I used to supervise in a call centre and a simple $12/hr job would get hundreds sometime thousands of applications.

    2. Re:LOL ... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am pretty sure I have dealt with some of these people. We had a third party security auditor come in and do an audit of our system and I got the job of baby sitting him and he didn't seem to know his head from his ass. Even with spoon feeding him information on machine layout and configuration he had issues while being physically connected to the same switch as the machines he was auditing. He was little more that a professional script kiddy and to ensure that he could do his "job" I had to make it easier for him to evaluate the system by disabling encryption, disabling firewalls, disabling certificate based authentication, etc on the system until by the end it was basically an unsecured system but at least he was able to do his audit to find vulnerabilities in the various components which was the purpose of the audit.

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  4. Dear UK by Lithdren · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear UK,

    Chinese hackers in your system? Some troublemaker from the inner city poking around in a highly classified file network? Just dont like what some guy from the internet is doing on your home page?

    For the low low price of 1 billion dollars, I will give you the solution to your problems! DISCLAMER: By reading below you are utilizing my advancted technique and agree to make payment in full to myself. Thank you.

    Step 1:

    Unplug the machine.

    Problem solved. I will be expecting my payment shortly. Thank you.

  5. Re:Gamer's Guild? by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they don't call them the Cybermen, I'm not joining.

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  6. American perspective by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, I'm in, as long as you have a job waiting for me in the private sector too. This country is a sinking ship. We aren't willing to pay top dollar for talent, instead going for saturating the market with immigrant visas to drive labor prices down. We've got a crazy patent and copyright system that all but eliminates opportunity for startups. If signing up for some 'cyber reserve army' is what's needed to have a job that pays the bills, good health care, and a home in a low-crime area, I'm not gonna waste any time... I'll pack my bags and be there inside a month.

    Right now, our own 'cyber army' seems more intent on considering its own citizens the enemy; At least from what I've seen in the UK they have similar levels of surveillance but are far more subdued in their... zeal... for punishing people caught in their dragnets. It's not much, but it's something. Taken as a whole, I think it would be a better quality of life to be a British citizen than a US one. Plus, they still have a middle class.

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    1. Re:American perspective by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm sorry, you must be mistaken, the jobs are in Britain.

      Unemployment rate, March 2013
      Britain: 7.7%
      United States: 7.6%

      National health care
      Britain: Available to all citizens. Emergency care for all, regardless of legal status. No personal cost, paid for by taxes.
      United States: Some people meeting income or age requirements may qualify, for a fee. In an overhaul of the system soon to be deployed, there will be fewer requirements, but there will still be a fee.

      Intentional homicide rate, 2012
      Britain: 1.2 per capita
      United States: 4.7 per capita ... Yeah. I'm definately mistaken here.

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    2. Re:American perspective by xaxa · · Score: 2

      The UK is going the same way as the USA. Everyone is fighting and clawing each other to get that "home in the catchment area of the good school" unless they can afford a private school. Which by the way is only affordable to company directors and senior government employees. Anyone who can't achieve that goal has no option but emigration.

      Just a room in the edgier parts of London rents for £200/week.

      Don't exaggerate, it casts doubt on the rest of your argument. A room in a crap bit of London is more like £100/week, maybe only £70 for a grotty place. Private school isn't as expensive as you suggest either -- I went to one (my dad taught there, so we had a big discount), and there were plenty of children whose families weren't especially rich. They just chose not to have things like satellite TV, fancy foreign holidays, etc, in order to afford the fees.

      Having said that, there are deep problems with the cost of housing (and the fact houses are investments before being residences), the focus on financial services (and services generally), and the direction the current government is taking us. If I didn't enjoy my job, I'd be looking to emigrate.

  7. Re:USA? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    They'll meet you halfway. Just go to the middle of the Atlantic, and tread water until they show up.

  8. Why would we want to help surpress freedom? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    I'm just asking why we would want to help suppress freedom in the UK?

    And by we, I mean the half of my friends who hold UK citizenship.

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  9. Re:USA? by scubamage · · Score: 2

    You know, if we put that out there to the US' population as a whole, I bet we could improve our country's average IQ by around 40 points.

  10. Re:USA? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    Pre or post re-normalization given average shift?

  11. The devil in the details. by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the source, and I'll add some commentary.

    We are seeking to recruit from three areas: regular personnel leaving the service; current and former reservists; and individuals with no previous military service

    In other words, they take anyone.

    As well as employing reserves under current terms and conditions of service, the Cyber Reserve will be running a pilot scheme to evaluate innovative and inclusive approaches to recruiting, training, and employment.

    Emphasis mine, but I think that's enough to question what you are getting into.

    * possess verifiable exceptional cyber skills (*)

    * be aged 18 or over

    * be a UK or Commonwealth Citizen

    * have lived in the UK for the last 5 years

    * be able to commit to the minimum annual training

    * be willing to undergo and pass a security clearance process

    * use spare time and weekends in order to support defence’s cyber security mission

    Nothing too odd here, but it appears that you are going to working for free. Also, "cyber skills" really means squat. I'm sure they will give you a test...

    The Cyber Reserve offers a challenge that you can get nowhere else.

    Except for the US, the current UK version of NSA, the current version of the German NSA, the Italian version of the NSA, etc.. etc.. blah blah and yes, even Russia has one of those. Not unique, and only challenging to your morals in most cases.

    It would be cool if nobody in the UK signed up, but I know that the UK plays on patriotism and "terror" as much as the USA does. So the race is full speed for who is the biggest dickhead country, the US or UK. Good luck over there across the pond.

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    1. Re:The devil in the details. by xaxa · · Score: 2

      I know that the UK plays on patriotism and "terror" as much as the USA does.

      Not quite. (And that's a British "not quite", i.e. a polite not at all.) You have to be very, very careful when being patriotic in Britain. There's a risk that you'll be seen as uneducated at best, nationalist / fascist at worst.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7608125/England-least-patriotic-country.html

      From the first paragraph -- I can't tell you when St George's Day is, except it's April. The story is he killed a dragon, but I don't know why that links him to England. My idea of patriotism is far more about ideals -- e.g. historic laws -- than specific symbols, so it's not easy to represent.

  12. "Reserves" by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what are you going to do, drop by a few days each year for reserve training and if you're ever called into action you'll be issued your standard script kiddie pack? Hand a bunch of guys semi-automatic rifles and they'll be a decent fighting force but I don't see "cyberwarriors" functioning the same way...

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  13. Restaffing by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like the UK is trying to restaff GHCQ with anyone who will take the job and young enough to be assimil^H^H^H trained correctly.

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  14. They Should Do Like the Americans by twmcneil · · Score: 2

    Why don't they just arrest the people they want, charge them with 50 gazillion stupid "crimes" and then offer the "applicant" a plea deal in return for their cooperation? Just like we do here in the States.

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  15. Re:All the research in CS goes to waste... by tibman · · Score: 2

    If the research results in something tangible, i think it would be used.

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