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Activists Angry After Apple Axes Anti-Firewall App

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "BBC reports that Chinese web users are criticizing Apple after the company pulled a free iPhone app called OpenDoor, which enables users to bypass firewalls and access restricted internet sites. The developers of OpenDoor — who wish to remain anonymous — told Radio Netherlands that Apple removed the app because it 'includes content that is illegal in China.' 'It is unclear to us how a simple browser app could include illegal contents, since it's the user's own choosing of what websites to view,' say the developers. 'Using the same definition, wouldn't all browser apps, including Apple's own Safari and Google's Chrome, include illegal contents?' Chinese internet users were disappointed by the move by Apple. Zhou Shuguang, a prominent Chinese blogger and citizen journalist, told U.S.-based Radio Free Asia that Apple had taken away one of the tools which internet users in China relied on to circumvent the country's great firewall. 'Apple is determined to have a share of the huge cake which is the Chinese internet market. Without strict self-censorship, it cannot enter the Chinese market,' says one Chinese user disappointed by the move by Apple."

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  1. I wonder.... by andreas.hummelbrunne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How much financial pressure did the chinese regime give Apple? (Fines / Bribe / Loss of Market)

    1. Re: I wonder.... by andy_spoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple are pretty much control freaks at the best of times. But you expect to be controlled one way or another if you buy in to a closed OS. And the US is just as controlling as China when they demand back doors to be included in security products to bypass encryption to spy on your data. If you think your in anyway living in a free country, no matter where you live, , then you must be high on something.

    2. Re:I wonder.... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did they have to suffer any imposed financial pressure? I'm fairly sure Apple (and most large corprations) are happy to collude with oppressive regimes (wherever they exist in the world) when there's a profit to be made.

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    3. Re:I wonder.... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      When your choices are pull this app or you can't sell your phone in the one of the worlds biggest country's it's a pretty easy choice to make.

      ... when profits are the only thing you care about.

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    4. Re: I wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This may come as a surprise, but some companies make choices that don't come down to simply "profits." Some companies make decisions because they fit inline with the stated company culture and values and though it may not turn a profit it is the 'right thing to do'.

      I know, mind blowing.

    5. Re:I wonder.... by swamp_ig · · Score: 2

      "Feel good about buying Apple products, because we're helping you stick it to the man."

      Cool! So that's an open invitation to jailbreak their devices and develop a secondary resale market for itunes purchases then?

      Why would apple want anyone to stick it to the man?

  2. Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Author's alliterative application attempt an annoying actuality.

    1. Re:Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Always ACs announcing aversion against alliteration and A-words

    2. Re:Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Bloody bastard bollocks bouncing by Birmingham bound by beelzebub

    3. Re:Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually aren't all alliterative articles an amazing achievement? After all, adding additional "As" always advances adversity.

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    4. Re:Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Appreciate, as always, Apple's asshole attitude.

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    5. Re:Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Crappy CongressCritters Congratulate Cunning Corporate Collusion.

    6. Re:Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Erudite exchanges eventually elicit extended exposition, even essays.

    7. Re:Ai acan't athink aof amore a-words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gay.

  3. Apple likes censorship by techprophet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But we already knew that

    1. Re:Apple likes censorship by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your subject line appears to contain an error. You misspelled, "All US tech companies (except Lavabit) are whores who think nothing of selling out themselves and the users who trust them to every repressive regime on the planet."

  4. So users still stuck in *two* walled gardens? by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, Apple removed an app that allows users to bypass the Chinese walled garden from their devices, that are restricted to Apple's walled garden?

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    1. Re:So users still stuck in *two* walled gardens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is simple. Apple operates in China. China has a law which makes it illegal for Chinese citizens to bypass the government firewall. China also has a law which makes it illegal to provide tools to aid Chinese citizens to bypass the government firewall. Apple is required to follow law in country which it operates. Apple removes tool from its store to comply with Chinese law.

      Sucks for the Chinese citizens, but Apple has its employees to protect from government prosecution.

    2. Re:So users still stuck in *two* walled gardens? by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Replace China with US or EU and everyone would be in agreement with Apple. They can't sell illegal things in those countries/blocs.

      But CHINA/APPLE BAD!

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    3. Re:So users still stuck in *two* walled gardens? by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 2

      Good point.

      Apple is setting a terrible precedent. I think I know their motivation (e.g. money, Chinese market, etc).

      Let's say Saudi Arabia makes looking at dirty pictures illegal (not just immoral). Are they scrapping browsers?

      No, the government needs to ensure that while using their network infrastructure the "dangerous" services and applications are blocked. Don't impose your morality and legality on citizens of other countries.

      Apple is weak. They considered the cost/benefit analysis, and figured that the few hundred people who get irate about this won't matter. Chinese citizen will not stop buying an iPhone even with this app gone; they buy it for the "cool" factor not because it allows civil disobedience. Most Chinese are terrified of getting in the sights of their government. Those who have an iPhone will gladly use in the government-approved manner.

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  5. So just sideload it by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They could just put it in another market or sideload it, oh wait.

    1. Re:So just sideload it by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      They could just put it in another market or sideload it, oh wait.

      You can do that actually - there are two ways to get an app onto an iPhone without going through Apple.

      1) A developer certificate - lets you sign apps and install it on 100 devices.

      2) An enterprise certificate - lets you sign apps and push it to unlimited numbers of devices that have been previously registered.

      Both involve using a mobile provisioning file - the former is created by Apple, the latter by the enterprise as an Apple-derived certificate.

      The latter is often used by many sites that help distribute iOS betas - the site holds an enterprise certificate they use to create mobileprovisioning certificates you load on your iOS device. the developer uploads their beta app, and the site distributes it (automatically or not) to the attached devices.

  6. Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, the app doesn't vanish from people's phones. If you have it, you still have it.

    Second, it's illegal because China has laws that make circumventing their country's firewall illegal. Thus, illegal.

    Third, blame China. Apple is respecting the laws of a nation. You don't like those laws - fine - but it's not Apple's fault for respecting those laws. Further, you knew they would respect those laws because their developer guidelines are crystal clear and readily available to anyone who wants to develop for the platform. You knew what was going on when you went into the project.

    I know blaming Apple helps generate page views and gets your story in front of people where just blaming China won't but, sorry - clickbait is clickbait. Apple enforced rules that they've had in place for a long while and you knew they would. Deal with it.

    1. Re:Clickbait by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course if Apple didn't prevent users from loading whatever they like this would be a complete non-issue. This is only possible because Apple control what their users are allowed to do with their device, unless you're willing to invalidate your warranty or pay them an annual fee for the privilege.

    2. Re:Clickbait by StormReaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You knew what was going on when you went into the project.

      While true, Apple still carries a large amount of responsibility for locking people into its marketplace prison. If sideloading were an option, people could still get by without Apple's (or the Chinese Government's) consent.

      That being said, I find it really, really hard to sympathize with Apple customers when they get burned over and over again without learning their lesson. It's like Homer (or was it Bart?) Simpson touching the hot stove: "doh!"..."doh!"..."doh!"....

    3. Re:Clickbait by gnasher719 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course if Apple didn't prevent users from loading whatever they like this would be a complete non-issue. This is only possible because Apple control what their users are allowed to do with their device, unless you're willing to invalidate your warranty or pay them an annual fee for the privilege.

      Who says it would be a non-issue?

      Chinese government: People are using this app on the iPhone, which is illegal.
      Apple: Sorry, nothing we can do about it.
      Chinese government: No sales of iPhones until that is fixed.

    4. Re:Clickbait by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      Given that devices that you can sideload apps on are not banned in China I'm not sure where you're going with this. Apple would have to remove the app from itunes but the user, if their own property didn't lock them out, would be able to obtain it from another source.

  7. Re:Google removed all apps from Google Play China by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .... however, you can install apps from outside the Play Store on Android.

  8. There you go by jones_supa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can only blame yourself for choosing to be part of the Apple walled garden.

  9. if you don't like it by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the only reason China allows the iPhone in at all is that Apple has agreed to pull apps from that market that the government doesn't like. Bypassing The Great Firewall of China lands dead-center in that description. When doing business in China, you don't negotiate terms with Beijing. You take note of their terms, and you follow them, or you GTFO.

    If you don't like that, consider the alternatives. No, let me correct that, the alternative. "NO IPHONE IN CHINA."

    either way, you're not getting that app. At least this way you can still get the iPhone. (and Apple can still sell it there) It's a win-win. (Apple and the users in China) Some want it to be a win-win-win, but there's simply no way for those users to "win" in that way. Suggesting that Apple should fight this and get the iPhone pulled out of China is a cross between short-sighted and selfish. Apple is understandably going to say "no" when you try to take their ball and go home.

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    1. Re:if you don't like it by nomadic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "If you don't like that, consider the alternatives. No, let me correct that, the alternative. "NO IPHONE IN CHINA.""

      That's a better alternative.

  10. Apple obeys Chinese and US law :) by ehack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple obeys Chinese law by not allowing their citizens to bypass censorship , and it obeys US law by providing private information on the Chinese users to the US authorities :)

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  11. Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have morals by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple can't make value judgements on Chinese internet laws because that would lead to fewer sales. Corporations do not have morals. The only motivation of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value, and a CEO is required to act in this interest by law. A corporation can thus not make moral judgements that act against maximizing shareholder value, any CEO who allowed that is opening themselves up to a huge class action lawsuit.

    Even companies that do things that might seem non-self-serving (say, Starbucks and their fair trade coffee and/or climate change pro-activeness), have to actually in fact be doing so out of self interest (example again, Starbucks CEO Howard Shutlz has gone on the record many times saying that Starbucks actions on the environment are not out of charity; in fact it is because the long-term view of the company is that climate change will damage coffee crops worldwide and this hurt their bottom line significantly).

    This is the plain honest truth. If you don't like it, *then get the system changed*. Don't blame Apple or Tim Cook, they actually are not allowed to operate any other way.

  12. Re:Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have mor by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have morals

    That's not really true... it all depends on their charter. The Red Cross is a corporation created by congress under Title 36, for example. However, as a practical matter most publicly held C corporations do prioritize stockholder value. The fact is the people who control a corporation can do whatever they want with it, so long as they do not defraud anyone.

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  13. Hey Apple! How's it feel on the other end of this? by Chas · · Score: 2
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  14. Re:Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have mor by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only motivation of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value, and a CEO is required to act in this interest by law.

    No, it isn't, and no, they're not, and you're getting the terms mixed up, anyway.

    Starting with terminology, "shareholder value" is a different concept from "shareholder profit". While profit is monetary, value includes progress toward long-term goals, market share, and industry stability (as in Starbucks' case), as well as profit... sometimes. Companies can be incorporated in many different ways, and though the most common is certainly for-profit, there are certainly a good many companies that are non-profit. In the case of nonprofits, their "shareholder value" is more often measured by progress toward their mission.

    Over the past few decades, "maximizing shareholder value" has become a general guideline for how to run a business, but it is not law. Rather, the generally-applicable laws only require that companies be managed according to their charter. There is also no stipulation (except a judgement after a lawsuit by angry shareholders) as to how closely the charter must be followed. If a for-profit company's CEO decides, for instance, to protest China's firewall by not selling there, and the shareholders agree, then that's perfectly fine. If a for-profit CEO decides to support charities, and some shareholders do sue over it, a judge may very well still side with the CEO, since charities make for very good advertising.

    Generally speaking, for-profit corporations operate for profits, but not always, and not all companies are for-profit. The idea that all corporations must maximize profits is simply incorrect.

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  15. Re:Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have mor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is no law that says a corporation or its CEO must maximise shareholder value / profits. Stop repeating this falsehood, or post the releveant law.

    "this supposed imperative to “maximize” a company’s share price has no foundation in history or in law. Nor is there any empirical evidence that it makes the economy or the society better off. What began in the 1970s and ’80s as a useful corrective to self-satisfied managerial mediocrity has become a corrupting, self-interested dogma peddled by finance professors, money managers and over-compensated corporate executives."

    "There are no statutes that put the shareholder at the top of the corporate priority list. In most states, corporations can be formed for any lawful purpose. Cornell University law professor Lynn Stout has been looking for years for a corporate charter that even mentions maximizing profits or share price. She hasn’t found one.

    Nor does the law require, as many believe, that executives and directors owe a special fiduciary duty to shareholders. The fiduciary duty, in fact, is owed simply to the corporation, which is owned by no one, just as you and I are owned by no one — we are all “persons” in the eyes of the law. Shareholders, however, have a contractual claim to the “residual value” of the corporation once all its other obligations have been satisfied — and even then directors are given wide latitude to make whatever use of that residual value they choose, as long they’re not stealing it for themselves." [1]

    TL;DR: You're wrong, and so is everyone else who spouts the same non-sense.

    [1]: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/8146/are-u-s-companies-legally-obligated-to-maximize-profits-for-shareholders (2nd answer)

  16. Where does it end? by dnaumov · · Score: 2

    Content that is legal in USA, may very well be illegal in Russia (Apple does business in both countries). What now?

  17. Re:Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have mor by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

    Any reason will do, as long as its plausibility is proportional to how far it lies outside the charter.

    The reason $COMPANY funded $CHARITY was for improving public relations, increasing sales.

    The reason $COMPANY didn't pay a dividend was to increase investment in $SECTOR, increasing $QUALITY and therefore profits.

    The reason $COMPANY hired extra employees during the recession was to take advantage of lower acceptable wages during training, reducing overall expenses.

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  18. Alliteration by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

    Alliterative Acronyms Are Always Awful, Avoid And Abstain As Appropriate

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  19. Re:Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have mor by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

    Apple can't make value judgements on Chinese internet laws because that would lead to fewer sales. Corporations do not have morals. The only motivation of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value, and a CEO is required to act in this interest by law. A corporation can thus not make moral judgements that act against maximizing shareholder value, any CEO who allowed that is opening themselves up to a huge class action lawsuit.

    A corporation can do anything, with the right justification. They can do lots of things by pointing out that these things might make money in the short term, but lose money long term - for example immoral behaviour will lose you customers; treating employees badly will lose you good employees, and so on. If the shareholders want to increase profits in the next quarter, the company can just point out that they prefer good profits for the next two decades.

  20. Corporations have no morals, but we have. by DVega · · Score: 2

    Corporations have no morals. But then it is the responsibility of us, the customer, to reward (with our wallet) corporations/CEOs that are noble, and punish the ones that are evil. For these actions to be successful a great number of customers must behave this way. To get many behaving this way we need to announce/advertise these kind of actions taken by corporations. This is the main purpose of articles like this. So, if by saying that Tim Cook is "evil", we will help, in the long run, to make corporations more charitable and decent, then I am very fine with that

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  21. fuck apple by 101percent · · Score: 2

    As much as I don't like to reference pop culture, South Park is an exception. Their recent NSA episode sums this up well. People who knowingly purchase their products have no reason to complain. This especially includes the Chinese, of whom none of contract-signing age should have any doubt the nefarious uses of technology.

  22. Re:Corporations are not allowed BY LAW to have mor by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    I think you'll find that most class action lawsuits involve claims of fraud - mostly in the form of deliberately withholding or manipulating information to artificially boost stock prices. It is very hard to prove that someone was not acting in the best interests of stockholders unless they were stealing or something. An example someone else used her is Starbucks. When the Starbucks CEO is asked to defend the "good" but expensive things that they do, he replies that those actions are in the best interest of the stockholders because it makes the brand more valuable. That is an extremely hard thing to prove or disprove.

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  23. This is Apple, this is 2013 by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2

    People who are suprised by this behavior from Apple in 2013 deserve what happens to them.

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