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Some Bing Ads Redirecting To Malware

An anonymous reader writes "Security firm ThreatTrack Security Labs today spotted that certain Bing ads are linking to sites that infect users with malware. Those who click are redirected to a dynamic DNS service subdomain which in turns serves the Sirefef malware from 109(dot)236(dot)81(dot)176. ThreatTrack notes that the scammers could of course be targeting other keywords aside from YouTube. The more popular the keywords, the bigger the potential for infection."

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  1. Posting by c00rdb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Posting to undo accidental mod

    1. Re:Posting by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Funny

      +1 Clever.

    2. Re:Posting by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Redirecting to Malware?

      What!? It installs Windows on your computer?!?

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    3. Re:Posting by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 1

      They're just helping people get great software such as Mighty Magoo installed on their 'puters.

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    4. Re:Posting by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      it was first post, stoopid.

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  2. I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing but by themushroom · · Score: 5, Funny

    People use Bing?

  3. This also in... by mythosaz · · Score: 2

    ...ad hosting network (that happens to be used by major search providers) compromised to serve malware.

    I suppose you can be mad at Microsoft for not constantly scanning their customers, but "Bing ads" is still misleading in the usual headline sensationalism way...

    1. Re:This also in... by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...ad hosting network (that happens to be used by major search providers)

      ...like Bing and Yahoo (whose search results come from Bing).

      "Bing ads" is still misleading in the usual headline sensationalism way...

      Yeah, it's not like the service itself is named Bing Ads, or anything.

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    2. Re:This also in... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suppose you can be mad at Microsoft for not constantly scanning their customers, but "Bing ads" is still misleading in the usual headline sensationalism way...

      Actually, you can't. A standard tactic is to serve regular, unmodified ads, to IP address blocks known to have businesses that to this. For example, the google crawler -- many websites will show different pages if you simply sub the user agent string in as Google; Bypassing compulsory registration, not displaying navigation ... adding piles of SEO words to the bottom of the page, and the list goes on.

      Microsoft can't be expected to protect against stuff like this; Every website that allows javascript to be injected from a 3rd party website is equally vulnerable. And that's most of them; Including Slashdot; It has script links to rpxnow.com and fsdn.com. Hundreds of websites link into Google's ajax and analytics pages. A great many websites simply break if you disable 3rd party javascript.

      So blame Microsoft if you want, but really, the people you want work at ORACLE.

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    3. Re:This also in... by lorenlal · · Score: 2

      Here was the comment I was looking for. I've seen third-party ads attack from plenty of reputable (and not so reputable) sites. As much as I love piling on MS, Bing, and IE, I don't think it's wholly fair to single them out for this issue. Of course, anecdotes are worth little more than the electrons that carry the information to your eyes, but I'm fairly confident most of us have been called in to clean up an infection from [typical site used by many].

      Now, if you want to talk about Microsoft's awful ad campaigns, that's 100% fair, and please proceed.

    4. Re:This also in... by rk · · Score: 2

      Oracle? Believe me, I've a got a hate on for Oracle and the list and litany against them is long and storied, but how are they responsible for 3rd party Javascript?

    5. Re:This also in... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps a legal review is required. How far should the advertiser be allowed to seperate themselves from the contents of the Ads they serve. The generate profits by promoting products and seem to be completely free from any responsibility for the reality of the advertisements versus what they actually promote.

      At the moment advertisers make money by selling products, blatantly promoted with lies and regardless if the impact of those products upon victims the promoters get to wander off laughing with those profits generated by creating those victims.

      I think it is about time, that those who generate income from products promoted by misleading advertising, start sharing the pain of the victims their actions are creating. You make money by selling lies, it about time when those lies get exposed that you start paying back the victims.

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    6. Re:This also in... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      '"Bing ads" is still misleading '

      No, it's the literal truth. The ad network is Bing Ads: http://advertise.bingads.microsoft.com/en-us/sign-up?s_cid=us_smb_a_web_bing_footer

    7. Re:This also in... by Nemyst · · Score: 4, Funny

      When in doubt, blame Oracle. It works surprisingly often!

    8. Re:This also in... by rk · · Score: 1

      I hope it's not because Java and Javascript is getting confused. I run into a surprising number of techies that think the two are closely related, and apart from some syntax they both inherited from C, the only thing the have in common is "Java" in the name, which is Netscape's fault, not Oracle's. True, Oracle owns the JavaScript trademark, but it's the Mozilla Foundation that actually develops it.

  4. Does it affect Yahoo!? by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    Nothing to be afraid of here, unless the same ads are place beside Yahoo! search results.

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  5. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    And we get the MS logo instead of the Borg Bill. :(

  6. Perspective by Empiric · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and for those of us who think that ads -are- malware, just targeted at a different processor, AdBlock still takes out two birds with one stone...

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  7. Money is money by pvianag · · Score: 1

    Why not? .... Money is money .....

  8. One more reason for me to not use Bing by harvestsun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aside from the other obvious reasons, such as "it looks awful" and "for the types of things I search for, it's vastly inferior to Google".

  9. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your cpu is overworked by browsing 1 secure site, you might want to consider an upgrade.

  10. What kind of idiot moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Clicks on ads? They deserve to be infected with sirefef. Plus, it's job security for me. Sirefef is a piece of cake to remove for me, but my customers are dead in the water. Money is money.

    1. Re: What kind of idiot moron by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It's called a "drive by download". Ads cycle on web pages. Eventually one will cycle to an infected ad server and infect the users computer. In this case, Windows.

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  11. Re:Proof by Servaas · · Score: 1

    They will get my money when I buy their product not before.

  12. Re:Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Paywalled sites *should*, in best practices, be more secure and *should* not include as many targeted ads. That isn't to say they aren't vulnerable to attacks or browser based hijacks that redirect traffic regardless. Unfortunately sites like Amazon video/hulu plus are jammed with ads even when paying for the service. What I need is for the internet to be something other than a place for advertisers to intrude on my privacy.

  13. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I do it because as key lengths get longer, it is harder and harder to browse the HTTPS web using a telnet client. That is even with my pocket calculator nearby!

  14. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by bmo · · Score: 1

    I started using it a couple weeks ago because https is a useless waste of cycles. ...

    but at least they don't force you to use https and heat up your but at least they don't force you to use https and heat up your CPU for no good reasonCPU for no good reason

    What.

    I had someone else trying to tell me that scp is slower because encryption slows the file transfer.

    I.... I just don't know...

    What the hell is going on?!

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  15. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you should consider upgrading from a 200MHz Pentium Pro. Just sayin'.

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  16. Obvious. by msauve · · Score: 1

    Security firm ThreatTrack Security Labs today spotted that certain Bing ads are linking to sites that infect users with malware.

    What do they expect? Of course Bing is going to link to microsoft.com.

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  17. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Mitreya · · Score: 1

    People use Bing?

    Yes. More than a few software packages try to incorporate a Bing bar plug in and set the search engine/homepage to Bing. That includes some software that is not outright malware (well, at least not before they chose to make money on pushing toolbars).

    DirectX install tries to peddle Bing Bar which is installed with default settings.

  18. The actual article is here.. by Dynamoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The actual article is here. TheNextWeb is a stupid site that doesn't work at all if you are not running Javascript. I choose to block most scripts, partly because.. a lot of ads are infected with malware. Yuk.

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  19. Who's responsible for the ads served by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the pertinent question is whether Microsoft or Google or Yahoo should responsible for the ads they show.

    Take any given major website, turn off AdBlockPlus, FlashBlock (or alternatives), and NoScripts (or alternatives). How many ads can you count that are of the nature: "Learn that 1 wierd trick to lose 10 pounds" or "Enter your age to see if you qualify for money to go back to school" or "blah blah obvious scam".

    They are everywhere. Now for me, I think much less of a website and the entity that owns it if they are serving these ads. I actually feel that if you get scammed through one of them it should be the website's fault for being party to a crime, because they served you the malicious ad.

    If I had a brick and mortar business, and people paid me to stand inside my business and "demo products" or something, and you came in and got scammed, you would be pissed at my business. The business might also be liable.

    Obviously the internet is different than meat space. Obviously you cant fix stupid. So who is responsible for serving a malicious ad?

    1. Re:Who's responsible for the ads served by c-A-d · · Score: 1

      Those "1 weird trick" ads did push me to install dnsmasq on my laptop. I've configured dnsmasq to handle domain lookups for lots of ad serving hosts and domains and it returns 127.0.0.1 for those lookups which saves me from said ads.

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    2. Re:Who's responsible for the ads served by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the pertinent question is whether Microsoft or Google or Yahoo should responsible for the ads they show.

      That's a very good question. Because the major search engines do not vet their advertisers very well. Google had to pay $500,000,000 to the USDOJ when they were caught willfully running ads for an obvious drug dealer. (No, it wasn't about "Canadian pharmacies". Some Google apologists tried to spin it that way, but the details came out.) Google has since clamped down. They had to; they were on DOJ probation for two years, with felony charges hanging over them. "Oxycontin no prescription" no longer returns ad results. Same for "viagra". Bing now pops up an "Is it legit?" box for searches like that.

      Google's clampdown was narrow. Searches with "foreclosure" and "credit repair" have a high population of scammers. Financial search keywords carry a high price, because the marks can be taken for big amounts.

      It's possible to measure basic advertiser legitimacy. We do that with SiteTruth, which tries to find the real-world business behind the ad. For over 30% of Google advertisers (by domain name), there's no identifiable real-world business behind the ad. (Running an anonymous business is illegal in some states and in the EU.) That's embarrassing, and highly profitable for Google.

    3. Re:Who's responsible for the ads served by intangible · · Score: 1

      Rather than making them all point at 127.0.0.1, I like just killing their dns lookup when using dnsmasq (this only looks in /etc/hosts for the dns entry instead of a 127.0.0.1 response)...

      local=/zedo.com/
      local=/infolinks.com/
      local=/intellitxt.com/
      local=/vibrantmedia.com/
      local=/kontera.com/

      It's faster / less resource hungry then 404s hitting myself (since I often run a local apache for some static content and development).

      I mostly KILL WITH FIRE the stupid "textual" ad providers... I HATE when I hover/highlight over text and it pops up crap.

  20. Re:Proof by msauve · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing costs $0.

    That's a tautology.

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  21. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey man, google STEALS your information! MS told me so. So that must mean that MS doesn't do that. I mean, they'd be HYPOCRITES otherwise. So I use Bing to keep my porn searches safe. My sexual attraction to boobs and butts will remain safe from the NSA.

  22. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by vadim_t · · Score: 2

    Whatever your problem is, it's not with SSL.

    AES-256 on my old laptop works at 65 MB/s. AES-128 goes at 90MB/s. This might be a bit of a problem if you've got a gigabit LAN and are using it to full capacity, but given that googling stuff amounts to about 24K there's no way that is making a noticeable difference.

  23. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by technomom · · Score: 2

    Well there's Steve Ballmer, Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer's mom, and Bill Gates' mom.......and that's about it.

  24. All ad networks do this by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not defending Bing in particular here, but every ad network gets utilized to deliver ads by malicious parties. Every ad company you can think of has staff that work full time just to look for and filter out malicious ads. A pretty significant portion of all malware is delivered my ads that are unwittingly served by sites from Facebook to CNN or any other site you can think of.

    Here's a nice link to a NIST report on the matter that you can get to once the government gets back to work. The problem goes back many, many years, so why on earth is this being reported as news?

    1. Re:All ad networks do this by swb · · Score: 1

      My understanding of this is that the ad networks historically didn't do much if any scrutiny and the business was largely built on near total automation which made it very easy for malware-based ads to filter through.

      Have they changed this? I would guess that having people do this manually would not be remotely cost effective given the revenue per ad.

    2. Re:All ad networks do this by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      I sincerely doubt that they have people manually review much of anything (new accounts perhaps?). Companies are going to fight this kind of thing at the macro level, not at the micro level. I'm sure security staff investigate individual instances of note that are flagged by automated system in order to beef up security knowledge or see if an account should be banned. That being said I would imagine that they have automate the overwhelming majority of the work.

      The ad agencies have been battling this kind of thing since at least the 90's as getting caught serving malicious ads is a good way to get blocked by any number of companies. It's not that they do it necessarily out of altruistic behavior for the better of mankind. It's more a case of having someone like Google warn users that your site is delivering malicious content is a good way to see a serious drop in page rank and traffic in a hurry.

  25. Re:Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is every person _for_ advertising either in the industry or not old enough to remember what was? Business is the guest here, not the public, this is our network. If content makers can't make money without obstructing the people they want to encourage then I would rather not have their content. Ads or paywall? How about fuck you, get off my fucking lawn and take your stinking rat friends with you.

  26. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    That was my first thought, too. My second was, "People still use Windows?"

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  27. Re:Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In that case I'll take seven of them.

  28. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by oodaloop · · Score: 1

    "People still use Windows?"

    For certain values of "people".

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  29. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by _merlin · · Score: 2

    Well it is. SSH protocol overhead is higher than the minimal TCP overhead on the data connection for an FTP transfer. Whether this is significant or not is a different issue, but the statement is strictly true.

  30. Re:Proof by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    Why don't you start up your own web server for your grumbling and put it in an Old Farts Web Ring so people can find it? Because, you know, all the web search out there is ad-supported as well, and you won't have any of this, don't you?

    If Slashdot disappeared, we would. Before the rise of the Glorious Advertisers' Internet you love so much, we would probably have been on email lists, which no-one paid for other than a few bucks a month from the person running them.

  31. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

    "I started using it a couple weeks ago because https is a useless waste of cycles."

    Most people these days who use Google use more than just the search feature, but that being said, even if you don't that is a phenomenally ridiculous reason to switch search engines from Google to Bing.

    ". Also, when using Chrome you get Bing searches from typing in the URL bar instead of the URL. ... I'm thinking I might try Firefox again too. "

    OK. You have to be trolling. You don't trust Google with your searches, but you do trust them with your entire computer. Excellent.

    If you aren't trolling: News Flash: Google isn't protecting your data any less than Microsoft. If Google reports more, it means they are more honest. What you are doing is sleeping with the local whore who swears she never cheats on you because your ex-girlfriend "admitted" that she had sex against her will.

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  32. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Bremic · · Score: 1

    Surely if Bing gives you a link to Bing, then Bing is linking you to malware...

  33. surely i'm not alone? by steak · · Score: 2

    doesn't every body love bonzi buddy?

  34. Re:Proof by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    If you aren't paying for the product you are the product.

  35. Re:Proof by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

    From my Slashdot page:

    Disable Advertising [X]
    As our way of thanking you for your positive contributions to Slashdot, you are eligible to disable advertising.

    So, being "gramps" has its advantages you Johnny-come-lately ageist git.

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  36. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

    Apparently. And they both just got... sbinged?

  37. Re:Proof by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

    Says the person who wants all the content they can grab for free.

    Nothing costs $0. Do you want ads or a paywall?

    I think what most of us want is "no malware". Do I block ads on parents', friends', in-laws' browsers so they get stuff for free without distraction? No, I block them to minimize the number of malware infections I have to clean up.

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  38. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by russotto · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates's mom is dead, you insensitive clod!

  39. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    I do when Google tries to be too helpful and fails to give me the results I actually want, assumning I mistyped.

    Clearly most people have never used it, yet there seems to be a strong opinion that it's rubbish. I wonder how people know.

  40. Re:Proof by CBravo · · Score: 1

    And no website wants $1 when they can get $2. This is not about costs, it is about companies wanting to make profit.

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  41. Bing by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    Because of this I was messing around and found the biggest act of defiance anyone or group can do is turn off cookies.

  42. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by JamesAndrews7224 · · Score: 1

    Yep. 4 of them to be exact.

  43. Use ABP/ABE, noscript and ghostery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Advertisers have risen from their graves to eat your brains. Stop them with adblock plus / edge, noscript and ghostery.

    You know they are effective when advertisers call them the 'trifecta of evil' - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/adblock-noscript-ghostery-trifecta-evil-opinion/

    Oh, and if you happen to be an advertiser who is reading this comment, I have a very special message to you. Advertisers: please kill yourself. You failed out of your chosen field and profession and have become an advertiser. You have nothing to live for. Everyone hates you. Please, please kill yourself.

  44. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by segin · · Score: 1

    Except the crap in the "Promotions" label turns out to be third party crap listservs, wholly unrelated to nor which came from Google, that you signed up for when you ordered that new hard drive from Amazon or put your email address on that paper form when you signed up for your Staples Rewards card. This is random shit you would have appear in your inbox (assuming you aren't using filters) regardless of whom you choose your email provider to be.

    Now, if Microsoft called it the "Screwhoo!" campaign, that'd actually have at least a tiny bit of truth to it. I used the Yahoo! Mail app on my Android device to check my Yahoo! Mail inbox for the first time in who-knows-when and there was an actual "sponsored" item at the top of my inbox that wasn't even email, but a direct advertising link! Screenshot.

  45. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    It's an answer. One of two possibilities.

    Is it possible that there's such a strong dislike of Microsoft on Slashdot that people will dismiss it as rubbish without actually trying it?

  46. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by mjr167 · · Score: 1

    Some people are into that...

  47. Bing ads that infect users with malware .. by codeusirae · · Score: 1

    Bing ads that infect users Microsoft Windows computers with malware, shurly :)

  48. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by twocows · · Score: 1

    I use it for Bing rewards. I have no loyalty to any particular search engine and if Microsoft's going to pay me to use theirs, so be it.

  49. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by istartedi · · Score: 1

    You have to be trolling. You don't trust Google with your searches, but you do trust them with your entire computer. Excellent.

    Nope. I don't trust *anybody* so as long as it's all out there, I might as well not be wasting cycles. As for my machine being underpowered, bollox! I think there might be some dust impeding airflow, and it's a laptop and a pain to clean out. It's probably on its last legs anyway. Whether or not https is a major contributor, I don't know; but it can't hurt to get rid of it it I don't care because I'm actually *not* wearing a tinfoil hat as some people implied. I mean, if I were wearing tinfoil wouldn't I be running https through multiple proxies or something and not caring about how fast the browsing is? I mean, sheesh... you never know how a post is going to go over on Slashdot. I guess most of the pushback is from the fact that I'm a long-time Microsoft user (on the desktop, not servers), make no apologies for it, and never will.

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  50. Re:Proof by dingleberrie · · Score: 1

    This is a tautology, too.

  51. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Your programmers are too lazy to give me options that make things run efficiently, and I'm unwilling to shell out a few hundred dollars to accommodate your lazy programmers. We seem to have reached an impasse.

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  52. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by bmo · · Score: 1

    " but the statement is strictly true."

    There's "mathematically true" at arbitrary precision and then there's reality, where the difference is not even a rounding error when brought to 4 places.

    Anyone who says that scp is slower than unencrypted, as if it makes a real difference in wall time, needs a slap.

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  53. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    That's typically fairly trivial though.

    Now, if packet compression is occurring and you're sending highly compressible files...

  54. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Windows NT 3.5 could boot with 12MB of RAM. Think about that.

    It probably didn't work well, but I was doing an experiment for fun because I had a stack of 1MB SIMMs and a little device that let you stack a bunch into a single memory slot. Nowadays, Solitaire probably can't run in 12MB of RAM.

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  55. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    No. The pushback is because you made several ridiculous statements. Switching search engines because of HTTPS is a completely 90s thing to do. In 2013 it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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  56. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Switching search engines because of HTTPS is a completely 90s thing to do. In 2013 it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    Really?. A lot of those hits are quite recent. I'm not stricly blaming https necessarily either. It might have something to do with the fact that I'm slinging everything through a HOSTS file, NotScript, and Flash blocker. Once again, I don't care about the bloody NSA or even some wanker who might want to say, "look at all that dudes gay searches" because I can't do anything about somebody who is really, Really, REALLY determined to frame me or embarrass me. Those are political issues, not technical issues. The Internet is a postcard. I care about performance and not having my machine bogged down with scripts, Flash, exploits, ads, etc. If not blocking those things makes the web unusable, and blocking them makes the web too slow, then I'm drawn towards a sad conclusion: The web is dead to me. Anyway, I digress. It's not stupid. The https may not be the actual problem; it might be the combination of https, Chroms, plug-ins, and Google's search pages. I don't care that much. Just because I'm a geek doesn't mean I find *all* technical problems interesting. If switching off https fixes it for reasons that have nothing to do with https itself, then fine. Now that that's settled, we can all get on with our lives.

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  57. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Yes. Really. You don't seem to understand what you are reading. Those are discussions of overhead on the server side, and everyone who knows what they are talking about says the same thing: It is about 5% overhead. The idiot who looked at rendering the Apache "It Works" page has no idea how to benchmark. You are doing a search. Unless it adds milliseconds (and more than about100 at that) you won't even perceive the difference. Or in other words, you won't even perceive the difference.

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  58. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

    Well, I'd rather be Scroogled than Balmered any day.

  59. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Clearly most people have never used it, yet there seems to be a strong opinion that it's rubbish.

    I tried it when it first came out. It was rubbish. Occasionally when Google goes haywire and gives me shit results I'll try Bing again... and get even shittier results. The last time I tried Bing, I was looking to find how to register for an ISBN. Bing's top result was a hardware store.

    People think it's rubbish because they've tried it and seen that it's rubbish.

  60. Re:Proof by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    Nothing costs $0.

    How much are you paying for the air that you can't live without? How much are farmers paying for the rain that waters their crops? How much does a Cory Doctorow e-book cost? How much does it cost to watch a sunset? How much does it cost to write a book? (granted, actually publishing it is >$0 but writing it costs $0.) How much does it cost to noodle catfish?

    You're a fool, AC. The things you need the most -- air and water -- cost $0.

  61. Re:Proof by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    If I'm paying for the content there damned well not be any ads whatever. I'll pay with money or by watching ads, but not both.

  62. Re:Proof by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    I'll take 10 if I can get a discount for buying in bulk.

  63. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by istartedi · · Score: 1

    And yet, nevertheless, I perceived the difference. As Yogi Berra said, "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they aren't".

    I've heard there are some issues with SSL on XP. It's not an issue when dealing with a bank where it's mostly text; but for images and maps it just didn't scale for me.

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  64. OK, here's what I think *really* might have... by istartedi · · Score: 1

    OK, here's what I think *really* might have happened. Ready? Drum roll.... it was... TADA! Google's roll-out of https to everybody. Why do I think this? Because I just tried it and it seems quite snappy. I noticed the problem on the first few days of https being rolled out to me.

    Was there a Chrome update? I don't know. Damned thing updates itself all the time. Did Google need to allocate a few more cycles to the task than they had initially thought? I don't know. I don't work for Google. Was the whole thing psychological, based on my perceptions when seeing "https" in the URL bar? Possibly. That's the only mental error to which I might admit here. There's no way to test all of this, unless somebodyd who works for Google would like to chime in.

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    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    1. Re:OK, here's what I think *really* might have... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Whatever it was, it wasn't HTTPS eating extra cycles on the client side. That's my point.

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    2. Re:OK, here's what I think *really* might have... by istartedi · · Score: 1

      *Directly* eating cycles? I'd concede that point. *Indirectly* eating them due to the extra bit of latency triggering a race condition or something in a poorly coded script? Very possible.

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      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    3. Re:OK, here's what I think *really* might have... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Just accept the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about and move on with your life. Seriously. Plonk.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    4. Re:OK, here's what I think *really* might have... by istartedi · · Score: 1

      The feeling is mutual.

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      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    5. Re:OK, here's what I think *really* might have... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      You're such an idiot. Seriously ... you mark me as a foe? What are you ... in high school? All that forces me to do is mark you as my friend so you see a little green and red pill every time you see a post from me to remind you to take your medications.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    6. Re:OK, here's what I think *really* might have... by istartedi · · Score: 1

      You're such an idiot.

      You're such a genius. You were the one who suggested "plonk". Since Slashdot doesn't have an actual killfile, Foe is the closest thing. I don't see a pill on your post. Just the red dot. You're in a very exclusive club--the 2nd Foe in 10 years. It's kind of sad, really. We've been on here about the same ammount of time, based on userid number. I looked over some of your other posts. You've got some 5s, very nice posts; but you also have a lot of these back-n-forth pissing contests with other users. I try not to get into them too often; but sometimes I screw up like I have with you. The red dot is just there to remind me that you're one of those types. Of course, I'd be willing to remove it if you turn out to be somebody who can, you know... admit that you aren't God's gift to the Internet who is always right, always has it nailed down, and can just insult people and expect to get respect.

      Once again, it's not real "hate" or highschool stuff. Just a way of flagging. I sincerely hope that we can come to some kind of mutual respect and understanding as human beings who see things differently and aren't perfect... but if we can't, then the little red ball is there to let me know it's not worth bothering.

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      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  65. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by istartedi · · Score: 1

    What the hell is going on?!

    This was hashed out a bit in another thread below; although no real conclusion was reached. After reading a few other search results, I've seen some other people having trouble with their browser cache after the switch to https. I went back to Google searches and it worked at normal speed. Unfortunately, I don't actually recall when I last flushed my cache so I can't correlate it. In retrospect, that should have been my first course of action instead of reflexively blaming https.

    I hope *some* people on Slashdot have a more open mind about things like this, and aren't just eager to make themselves feel good by being condescending. Sorry... that's not directed at you... just venting.

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  66. Re:I know it's another stereotypical diss on Bing by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Strange. When I typed "How to register for an ISBN" into Bing I got a page full of relevant results.

  67. Re:Proof by vandamme · · Score: 1

    I have a vacuum pump for sale for $75, which I though was a good deal. If you can get it for $0, don't pass it up.
    http://utica.craigslist.org/tls/4120375327.html