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MIT Develops "Kinect of the Future"
itwbennett writes "Using radio signals, MIT researchers can pinpoint someone's location — through a wall — with accuracy of +/- 10 centimeters. Fadel Adib, a Ph.D student on the project, said that gaming could be one use for the technology, but that localization is also very important. He said that Wi-Fi localization, or determining someone's position based on Wi-Fi, typically requires the user to hold a transmitter, like a smartphone for example. 'What we're doing here is localization through a wall without requiring you to hold any transmitter or receiver [and] simply by using reflections off a human body,' he said. 'What is impressive is that our accuracy is higher than even state of the art Wi-Fi localization.'"
this will be suppressed and classified in 1, 2, 3...
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I am sure if you can easily pinpoint humans through a wall with 10 cm accuracy, you will see this funded and developed by your favourite defense contractors. Sniper rifle with wallhack, anyone?
a trillion dollars of technology evolution and the best thing they can do with it is spy on people, seems as if the NSA spying isnt an anomaly but deeply ingrained into the culture
a culture obsessed with finding out what other people are doing and by god we will use our best minds and young adults in school to achieve it !
>Using radio signals, MIT researchers can pinpoint someone's location — through a wall — with accuracy of +/- 10 centimeters. Fadel Adib, a Ph.D student on the project, said that gaming could be one use for the technology,
I suspect killing people will be higher on the list of priorities of certain funding bodies.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
It looks like lining the walls with foil wasn't so stupid after all.
NR
Yes, people have been doing "radar through walls" with all manner of signals for decades.
Here's the problem.. works fine on a simple homogenous wall: the wall looks like a sheet of glass to the radar.
Now, what if that wall is more like pebble or frosted glass? Or say, glass blocks (which is what standard concrete blocks or bricks look like at microwave frequencies.
What if the house were a "hall of mirrors" since the walls can reflect microwave signals, and some goes through. What about furniture?
Sure, one *could* with enough measurements and computation figure all this stuff out (it's called an inversion problem), and then calculate what's actually going on.
Detecting the reflections is the easy part. We've all done that with over the air TV back in rabbit ear days. Turning that into an image is substantially more challenging.
We already have a "Kinect of the Future". It will be shipping with the new XBox. Also, this story isn't new, its a dupe of an old one. Also, its drastically lower precision than the Kinect, and who wants their game system to watch them through their walls with accuracy too low to play games with? This tech is interesting, but it is not the same nitch as the kinetc.
From back in 2010:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/11/19/0449226/laser-camera-can-see-around-corners
-Malakai
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Will this enable me to "watch" (on TV) my hot neighbor have sex?!
Their disdain for Americans is so great that when they hear about a cool new technology with many possible applications, they immediately knee-jerk to the one application that fits their pet stereotypes. And they forget (LOL!) that places like MIT have students and faculty from all over the world.
Using radio waves to track position/movement is VERY far from new. Even imaging through walls is extremely old hat. A control interface with 10cm+/- resolution would be drastically worse than any current game controller.
This isn't for gaming - it's use would be primarily for surveillance and automated 'security' tools of various kinds. It's not Xbox - its NSA/military/creepy 'spy' tools.
Ryan Fenton
This is one of those technologies that will help form a basis to fully integrated home automation. All the fear around this being used for less casual uses may have some merit but I am pretty sure this could be easily circumvented with something similar to a faraday cage placed in the walls of a building. Might require some retrofitting but if you are really that worried (or have reason to be that worried) about the potential for a sniper or spy using this to track you in your home then it seems like it would be relatively defeatable. Maybe the personal faraday cage suite industry will get a boom from this, but I suspect not.
MIT are run by a bunch of Multi-NaziZion-al sheisters. Anyone get a GOOD job after graduating from there?
Was it not in the late `80`s MIT published micro-gearing, micro-pulleys, micro-cables?? I cannot "SEE" (pun intended) the progress they have made since developing the MICRO-SCALE gear pods all those (when was that,exactly?) years ago.
So much for your quadruple bypass!
As a counter measure, I was wondering: can this be stopped by designing the right wall?
If you make a wall that scatters a lot back due to a non-homogenous constitution or imperfections, will there be enough reflections to make the system useless? And is that a universal flaw (i.e no matter what type of radar you build, a single "well designed" wall can thwart all such systems)? Or does the wall need to be designed specific to the frequency/design of the detector?
The reason I ask is that I consider this is likely to be an invasion of privacy - "we didn't need a warrant to track the subject, the neighbor was a perv. who had the scanner, and came forward (and we aren't filing charges against him for $unrelated_crime)." It would be nice if a low-tech solution can thwart this.
I bet this radar is not too clever when metalised insulation panels are used in the wall cavities, either.
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If they are pitching it for gaming, I guess it should abide by FCC regulations for civilian use. If that is indeed the case, it would be the first device/technology that can achieve anything close to this accuracy using radio waves (and even through walls) while abiding by FCC regulations for consumer electronics.
The Supreme Court has already ruled government cannot use passive IR scanners to look clumsily through walls without a warrant. This would be even worse, and clearly will be abused anyway.
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I think the most impressive part is not that they can do it, but that they developed it in an artificial laboratory! (i.e. Should be Artificial Intelligence laboratory.) So basically, while the MIT guys can detect things trough walls, your typicall IT World editor can't get an extremely small article right. Worse yet, the typo has been there since October 11, 2013, 12:14 PM. Really IT World? Really?
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
Such as this Google Tech Talk from 2008: Device-free Passive Localization for Wireless Environments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PiMimSrP7A
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So, it's come to this.
It's really sad that even though I really had no interest in this topic, I watched the video just because the video preview clearly showed they were using Ubuntu. Yet, disappointingly, they didn't cover anything about the control interface they were using; this could be used as a push for gaming on Linux desktops, especially since they don't have plans to make money off of it, and could hence afford to have a slow start.
MIT works around the clock to find new ways of slaughtering and dominating the world's population
+/- 10 cm resolution is not in any way useful as a "Kinect of the future".
Why did this become a story on slashdot? It's total crap.
I wonder if the people researching this stuff ever think of the real life implications of the technology. Do they really want a world where they have no privacy even inside their own home or bedroom? not to mention all the people this tech will enable military and police to more easily kill.
I wish I could have a reaction of "oh wow that's pretty cool" but instead it's just depressing. I don't want to go back to the dark ages but I no longer really get enthusiastic with the way technology is moving these days. it's all about making a colder more controlled and confined world where every day people are being made irrelevant and obsolete.
There is no utopia coming where people don't have to work. If you do not produce wealth in some fashion you will be thrown into the dust bin of history to starve to death and quietly die on a street corner somewhere. automation is not going to be your savior. What are we going to do when 90% of the population is unemployable due to the advancement of automation and robotics. What will life be like in that new dystopia where everything you do is fully controlled and monitored by machines in a police state that even George Orwell could never even begin to imagine?
I wonder if anyone even asks these questions anymore I feel like we are running full speed off the side of a cliff and anyone that think's that is not such a great idea is just scoffed at. Technology should be about serving humanity and making it better not about controlling and enslaving us.
Something with reclining leather seats, that goes really fast, and gets really shitty gas mileage.
They did go lower but hit on quantum entanglement...
fuck off with your new big brother gadget. i hope you fail utterly
xray vision to keep playing halo when you gotta run to the bathroom.
interesting......
he says while using his computer to check the internet news
Yeah years (or even a decade) ago there was already tech (whether narrow band or UWB) that could detect the movement of someone _breathing_ behind walls. That's a lot smaller than 10cm movement.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/06/01/08/0753222/military-device-will-sense-through-concrete-walls
http://science.slashdot.org/story/01/04/17/2339212/scanning-for-people-through-walls
As for gaming, let's see what the latency figures are first.
If Slashdotters today regard this as exciting and interesting perhaps they should start looking at Slashdot articles 5-10 years ago. They might find even more interesting stuff there than on Slashdot's frontpages today.