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Dick Cheney Had Implanted Defibrillator Altered To Prevent Terrorist Attack

An anonymous reader writes "According to the Washington Post, 'Former Vice President Dick Cheney says he once feared that terrorists could use the electrical device that had been implanted near his heart to kill him and had his doctor disable its wireless function. Cheney has a history of heart trouble, suffering the first of five heart attacks at age 37. ... In an interview with CBS' 60 Minutes, Cheney says doctors replaced an implanted defibrillator near his heart in 2007. The device can detect irregular heartbeats and control them with electrical jolts. Cheney says that he and his doctor, cardiologist Jonathan Reiner, turned off the device's wireless function in case a terrorist tried to send his heart a fatal shock.' More at CBS News."

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  1. Re:Terrorist? by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Terror is a strategy, not a value judgment.

    Don't let the propagandists redefine words to suit their purposes.

    I'd much rather be terrorised from time to time - indeed, England was for quite a while, and my father almost got killed in one bomb blast - than be aerial bombarded back to the Middle Ages.

  2. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, anyone who understands how insecure wireless is should be terrified of having a built in personal "off switch." I would do the same thing, and so would a lot of slashdot.

  3. Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Breaking News : Dick Cheney has a heart !

  4. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, anyone who understands how fragile the human body is should be terrified of walking outdoors, etc.

    Murders don't happen all the time simply because most people aren't psychopathic cunts. But, in Cheney's case, it takes one to know one.

  5. Extra Extra! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Extra Extra!
    Read all about it!
    Dick Cheney revealed to have a heart!
    Progressives outraged over use of resources!

  6. Paranoid? Nope, he's merely one noid. by waddgodd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, given Cheney's historical level of paranoia (this is nothing compared to some of his hijinks as SECNAV), I can TOTALLY see Cheney not understanding something and therefore assuming it's going to be used by people out to get him. Both "not understanding something" and "worried about trivial crap" are WELL within Cheney's persona. Having said that, whose wise idea was it to make a defibrilator that can be remotely accessed wirelessly in the first place? If nerd history has taught us anything, it's vulnerable shit eventually gets broken into, and wireless protocols are by definition vulnerable.

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  7. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...most people aren't psychopathic cunts. But, in Cheney's case, it takes one to know one.

    But you claim to recognize Dick Cheney as one. Apparently that means you are a ....

  8. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By attacking America on 9/11, Al Qaeda hoped to lure America into a foolish overreaction that would alienate the West from the Islamic world, weaken America's will, and help spread Al Qaeda's message of extremism and violence. Few people helped them achieve these goals more than Dick Cheney did. So why would they want to kill him?

  9. It's a weird experience by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My sis has an implanted defibrillator. It's a weird experience to be sitting in a doctors office when a technician comes in with a machine to test the installation.

    "I just need to turn up your blood pressure and heart rate for a minute" says the tech, as casually as ordering a cup of coffee.

    A couple of button presses later, the look of shock on my sister's face as she realized that she was not, in a very literal sense, in control of her own heart is something I'll never forget.

    She needs her implanted defibrillator but, holy shit, the power she must cede to Miss Random Device Technician by having it in her body is scary as all hell.

    1. Re:It's a weird experience by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you crinkle in fear each time a car comes at you from the opposite direction? Every time you get on a plane?

      Lots of potentially dangerous actions in your life, many other people can terminate it accidentally or on purpose. Hell, that dodgy iPhone charger you bought off of eBay - do you really trust it?

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    2. Re:It's a weird experience by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you crinkle in fear each time a car comes at you from the opposite direction? Every time you get on a plane?

      Lots of potentially dangerous actions in your life, many other people can terminate it accidentally or on purpose.

      At least if a car going the opposite direction crashes into you, or the airplane pilot crashes the plane their life and property is in serious jeapordy as well.

    3. Re:It's a weird experience by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was being specific, not general. Here's what I mean -

      Do you crinkle in fear each time a car comes at you from the opposite direction?

      I'm sure I was quite afraid the first time I drove. However, I quickly learned that the danger was minimal, there were postive steps I could take to minimize it, and if something did go horribly wrong there was only a vanishingly small chance that someone was deliberately causing a problem. I got used to it, obviously, since they don't bother me now. I don't remember exactly, but I feel sure I actually got used to it before I finished my first drive.

      I understand that all of life is potentially dangerous. That was not my point.

      Prior to the implanted defibrillator, my sis had a pacemaker. It was just under the skin and checking it required placing an electronic puck of some sort directly on the skin over the pacemaker. That was how it was connected to a testing console. Making changes to the way it worked was a bit complicated, took some time, and required the cooperation of the patient (at minimum, to just sit there and let the work happen).

      The defibrillator was very different. There was no puck and it could be accessed from a vastly greater distance. Also, the technician could instantly, with a few keystrokes, turn my sister's heart up or down whether my sister was cooperating or not. In my first post, I was relating that this was the first time we realized that the implanted defibrillator required her to trust her life to a technology that could be so easily abused. Now that she's gone through it, she accepts the risk.

      However, it's a case of believing "I'm not a target/security through obscurity" that allows her to accept this situation. She really is completely defenseless against anyone close by who can send the right wireless signals. She accepts the risk in exchange for the rewards but the initial shock at realizing the risk existed (and having it so clearly, offhandedly demonstrated) was NOT unjustified. I feel sure that if she were a public person like Cheney, she, too, would have wanted wireless access disabled.

  10. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah, but I'm a non-practising psychopathic cunt.

  11. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by nbauman · · Score: 5, Funny

    By attacking America on 9/11, Al Qaeda hoped to lure America into a foolish overreaction that would alienate the West from the Islamic world, weaken America's will, and help spread Al Qaeda's message of extremism and violence.

    Good thing we're too smart to fall for that.

  12. Re:Terrorist? by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Precisely. There is only "war" of different kinds and at varying levels.

    "Terror" is pretty effective though. Nations which lose hundreds of thousands of dead and maimed to socially acceptable causes (smoking, obesity, auto crashes) can easily be terrified into implementing structurally toxic changes by the trivial loss of a few thousand killed in one small location. I wouldn't want to be under a massive bombardment either, but once upon a time nations knew they could take massive casualties yet not only survive but triumph.

    Give the Mamayev Kurgan monument some thought. Stalingrad cost more Soviet dead than the US lost in all its wars, but they refused to lose. Commies or not, they had balls.

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  13. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IIRC the pacemakers have to be put in wireless configuration mode with a magnet placed in a specific spot on the pacemaker, so to hack one wirelessly would require physical access to him. It's not WIFI it's just wireless to prevent having to open him up to access the pacemaker, it still requires physical access.

  14. Danger still there by naasking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disabling wifi doesn't remove the danger. Directed energy weapons, like RF guns, can still target and disrupt the device in various ways since it contains electronics.

  15. Ripped from the headlines ... or the reverse! by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cheyney obviously watches Homeland, in which the Vice President is killed by remotely acessing his pacemaker.

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  16. Re:Will not happen by mbone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Killing a politician with subtle electronic sabotage is not appealing to terrorists. It is not dramatic. It is quiet. Terrorists would rather blow a city block with TNT to kill a politician. Killing somebody using defibrillator suits spies or other government agents.

    And my guess is that that is what he was really worried about.

  17. Re: Evil, powerful men have enemies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    No. As a previous poster mentioned, the device has to be in very close proximity initially. However, in most ICD models once the heart device has been paired with whatever device is on the outside, communication can happen over a bit longer distances ( a few meters or so). Remember that these devices have batteries - they don't need coils. I have one, and it communicates with a receiver in my home when I'm around, allowing my cardiologist to be alerted if something odd happens with my heart rythm.

  18. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a pacemaker/defibrillator, and I really couldn't give a shit. Besides, my tech says that my model requires a magnetic field in order to pull a magnet inside the device and make a contact so that the wifi is turned on. Without someone sticking that round thing on my chest, no one can talk to the machine. Honestly if strange people go around putting heavy chunks of metal on my chest without my permission I think wifi is the least of my worries.

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  19. Re:Paranoid? Nope, he's merely one noid. by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Having said that, whose wise idea was it to make a defibrilator that can be remotely accessed wirelessly in the first place?

    Probably someone who thought that sticking a cable through your chest to change the things configuration is an even worse idea.

  20. Re:Terrorist? by Skiron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stalingrad cost more Soviet dead than the US lost in all its wars, but they refused to lose. Commies or not, they had balls.

    Well, in essence, it was Hitler's fault. The original plan was to take the Ural oil fields and the German machine was unstoppable it doing it - until Hitler decided on a detour to take Stalingrad on the way (he thought it would destroy the Russian hearts and resistance) ~ bad move.

    If he didn't do the detour, I think the outcome of WWII would have been different.

    Mind you, that doesn't take away what the people of Stalingrad did to resist and destroy the German eastern front.

  21. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by milkmage · · Score: 4, Informative

    if his pacemaker is anything like the one my fried has, you basically have to touch his chest with another gizmo to see it.

    so wireless in the sense that there are no wires sticking out of his nipple... not AQ can kill him from an internet cafe in Pakistan.

    what's Cheney's IP? /duh.

  22. New Heart Device Allows Cheney To Experience Love by JThaddeus · · Score: 4, Funny

    One of my favorite headlines fromThe Onion:
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-heart-device-allows-cheney-to-experience-love,2294/

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  23. Cheney's clueless, it's not that easy by Chewbacon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Classic case of the dumbasses we put in charge who go sticking their fingers in things they know absolutely nothing about. Cheney strikes me as a prepper and we need to keep dipshits like that out of office.

    These devices have to be "woken up" with a sensor placed on the chest. Then it'll communicate with the interrogation equipment which can induces shocks via a defribillation test. The range is limited to about 15 feet. Despite the wireless option being turned off, anyone with the device used to interrogate can still induce a shock with the chest sensor.

    Still, a shock could still be induced without the tech by causing artifact in the leads. Inappropriate shocks have been reported in people operating heavy equipment like jackhammers and chainsaws. So shake the shit out of him and he may get an inappropriate shock. Worst that would happen there is induction of ventricular fibrillation which would only cause an appropriate shock.

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    The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
  24. Re:Terrorist? by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed: such a targetted attack would only be "terrorism" when the word is redefined by propagandists.

  25. Re: Terrorist? by Zemran · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mandella really was a terrorist. He was arrested while in the possession of 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines, 210,000 hand-grenades and loads of other explosives. He was blowing shit up and was about to blow up the railway station. He was sent to prison and frequently offered release if he would renounce terrorism. He consistently refused. His wife of the time used to like to tie children to street lamps and put car tyres around their necks which she then filled with petrol and set the poor child alight.

    He had a change of heart and became a man of peace. Would Bin Laden have been so readily forgiven?

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  26. Re:Evil, powerful men have enemies. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First of all, Israel is conducting large scale state terrorism basically since it exists.
     
    Israel was granted its existence by the UN in 1947. The problem with Middle East is that Arabs have never been able to accept that because they don't like Jews. If Israeli Jews were Muslim, the problem wouldn't exist, simple as that. The expansion of Israel's territory since then came in my view in a fair way, as they won one after another defensive war against attacks by vastly superior Arab forces.
     
      Second, some of the worst dictators in the Middle East have been explicitly supported by the US government
     
    So what. It was right to support them when it suited our interest and there was a greater danger to us and to the word to worry about (USSR - the most evil empire in the 20th century). As far as I'm concerned, dictators are a fair game to support or to depose according to our interests and once we defeated the Soviet Union, we are now knocking them out one by one. Saudi royal family has a special deal with the US that temporarily keeps them in power because of oil but as soon as that reason is behind us they will be next in line.
     
      Also, it would perhaps also be a good idea to get a clue at the size the "islamic world" you're talking about, because you talk an awful lot as if it was confined to the Middle East.
     
    And it would be a good idea for you to get some perspective of what a total failure Islamic civilization has been. There is no progress at all of any kind, technological, political or otherwise that happened in any Muslim country in hundreds of years. 2 Nobel Prizes in science by Muslims compared to over 100 by Jews! The best university in any Islamic country (in Turkey, among the least Islamic of the Muslim countries) is not even in the top 200 in the world. Democracy has either failed or been under attack by Islamists in just about every Muslim country. Every border where Islamic civilization meets a non-Islamic one there is trouble, just look at the world map. Israel has shown how to turn a backward desert wasteland into an advanced 1st world country in less than 50 years. Why can't any Muslim country do the same? I think it is obvious to anyone but Western cultural relativists that the reason is Islam.

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