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rueger writes "I can remember trading up from a daisy-wheel printer to dot matrix, and can remember when Jerry Pournelle used to say 'Buy the most expensive HP printer you can afford.' Mine was a 4P. Times have changed, though, and I'm looking for trustworthy advice before buying a couple of new printers. Specifically, a B&W Laser with sheet feed scanner, and a color inkjet with a solid flatbed scanner for copying music. We want solid, reliable machines that will give a few years of small office service, that have reasonably cheap consumables, and that will "just work" with Windows and Linux. Network ready of course. Let me expand. These days there seems to be no market leader in printers — they tend to be cheap disposable items. Part of the reason is that it is hard to find any real user reviews of these machines — most of the comments on Best Buy or other sites are full of fanboy enthusiasm, or extreme negativity — nothing that can be relied on. Between those, and the sock puppets, and the astroturfing, there's nothing I'd trust. I do trust Slashdot, though, for things like this. People here are able to offer realistic advice and experience that can usually tell the story. So, I ask: who's making good printers these days?"
Kyocera.
They're not cheap but they just need toner, everything else lasts forever.
Nobody beats their price per page. I've seen companies who print 50.000 pages a month throw out new HP printers to replace them with Kyoceras because it saved them money after only a couple of weeks to pay for the 'old' and new printer.
I did a lot of doctor's office programming and I always included a Kyocera free with the apps because then I'd never get any calls about printer problems.
they just don't get it.
Samsung CLX-3175 - color laser printer, flatbed scanner.
Prints great, scans great, all-in-one nice machine. Toner is not too expensive and for light-to-moderate load, this thing works great, I have it for 5 years now and not a single problem.
Make of that what you will...
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Rule1: You brought an inkjet and use it heavily, it would have been cheaper to buy a laser in the long run.
Rule2: You brought an inkjet and rarely use it. You now spend so much on cleaning the heads that a laser would have been cheaper in the long run.
I have in the past owned an inkjet, these days if I want a photograph printing, I use an online photographic printing service and get my prints delivered to my door printed on real photographic paper. By the time you factor in the cost of the printer, inks and paper it works out just the same for a better result.
Also anything without a ethernet port is a piece of junk not worth considering.
I can't comment on the cost of consumables, but the office where I work has had a couple of Brother MFC lasers. The Brother site has linux drivers and I've been able to do everything the Windows users can do. These 2 printers get used a lot and have held up well.
I'll second Kyocera. The drums eventually need replacing, but even then they're cheap to run and damn near bulletproof.
For the inkjet, I'd recommend talking to a local vendor of continuous ink supply systems about what they'd recommend. Continuous feed bulk ink systems are *much* cheaper than paying obscene amounts per cartridge.
I'm looking for a multipurpose B&W printer, laser, for home.
My current choice is the Brother MFC-7460DN , also good for SOHO.
It's a multipurpose B&W laser printer, 26ppm print; 35-sheet Auto Document Feeder; Duplex print, Fax, colour scanner.
It looks like people have less problems with this brand/model than some others, so I think I buy it
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and a color inkjet with a solid flatbed scanner for copying music
Forget about inket altogether.
Just use a colour laser, toner is much cheaper than ink, and most modern mid- to high- range laser printers have a good enough quality even for photos.
(If it's single pass, and has a high dpi, you're okay).
In addition of the price, there's a technical advantage of laser: you can print at any pace you want, as seldom as once per month if you want (or even rarer) all the way up to what your printer can mechanically sustain before falling apart (most printers can take quite some abuse, well within the needs of SOHO). Ink can dry and clog printing head or ink channels. Either you'll *HAVE TO* print at least a few page now and then to keep the ink flowing. Or you'll have a printer which will automatically run through a clean/un-clogging cycle (spitting some ink into a reservoir) or you'll need to replace completely clogged cartridges/printerheads. You can store a laser printer unused in you basement for as long as you wish, whereas an Inkjet will always cost some (expensive) ink, even if you don't use it.
If you really must buy a inkjet and cannot buy a colour laser for some obscure reason, at least try to go for a brand where the ink refill is just that: ink. (some Epson would be a random exemple). At least the refills are not too expensive, and because it's an open market, you can find a whole range of options. Including dead cheap no-name refills of dubious quality, but also refills from cheaper 3rd parties which are known to make good inks (and probably have been already in the ink business even back when fountain pens have been introduced)
*ABSOLUTELY* avoid any brand where you replace the whole cartridge (ink + printing head). There is a very small marginal advantage in that (new cartridge means a brand new CLEAN printing head, and shorter paths between ink and head means less risk of clogging). But in virtually every brand, the cartridge has some electronics built-in, which is used as a crude for or DRM and anti-tamper. That means that you're in a locked market (no 3rd party licensed to sell cheaper heads, difficult to refill your self and persuade the electronics that the cartridge is (again) new). And thus, such brands tend to pump up catridges' price like crazy, so much you'll wonder if their ink is made out of unicorn blood. (Up to the point that a whole printer refill could cost more than the printer and would probably have throw away a lot of the old ink anyway).
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I would say it is the Epson WF 3540. First of all, it has two sided ADF scan - which is damn useful for getting rid of all those bills by scanning them and also very rare for a printer at this price point. Secondly, you can connect a CISS ink system for bulk printing and refillable ink tanks. You will be able to buy non-OEM refillable ink cartridges anyway, plus the fact that all the different colors have different cartridges means that you want be overpaying for just printing a lot of black and white. It has Android and iPhone apps for the usual wireless printing. It has gotten good reviews for its build quality, particularly its scanner head hinges.
I'm not old enough for a daisy-wheel (although my dad had one, and I remember it from when I was tiny) ...but I've owned a lot of printers over the years, and I tend to be the go-to guy to set up and configure those of family and friends.
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;) Bottom line, whatever printer you get, make sure you can buy non-OEM consumables readily.
First off, the only reason to have an inkjet is for photo printing. But the consumables are rediculous, so only get one if you can get third party ink at reasonable prices. Also plan on printing something at least once or twice a month, or the heads will clog, necessitating wasting even more ink! I'll just print out a cute picture or webcomic to put up the fridge if I have nothing else. And I may not bother buying a new one in the future... but I have an old epson 6-color (CMYKcm) printer that's almost 10 years old and still works great (as long as you don't let the heads dry out)... which also takes super-cheap generic ink. Newer ones can have issues with DRM chips in the ink cartridges which can make it harder to get generics sometimes. YMMV. But it costs me less to print a full page photo on cheap glossy-photo or matte paper, then it would to order it online, so I've stuck with it.
But for any normal printing (i.e. NON-PHOTO), you're going to want to use laser printers exclusively. Their more durable, much much much faster (a 8x11 photo in hi quality on the ink jet takes something akin to 12 minutes to print)... on a laser, everything is blindingly fast.
You also definitely want to find a laser printer with cheap non-OEM toner that's readily available. I have two laser printers for day-to-day printing, a cheap ass low-end 600dpi brother (which is perfect for text buisness documents, word processing, printing the ocassional groupon or amazon return lable, etc) and generic replacement toner is dirt cheap. Even the drums are very reasonably priced. Use this for standard monochrome documents (comes out to under $0.01 a page (not including paper, and assuming %5 coverage, standard text documents, not solid black, etc))
I also have a nice office color laser (full duplex is a bonus in these larger higher-capacity office printers). There a lot of options here, look for a refurbished one online. (Also verify you can get generic toner) Mine was $300 and comes to about ~$0.06 a page.
Are you getting a theme here?
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First up, let's get this out of the way: all inkjet printers are cheap (and nasty) because they are loss-leaders for consumables.
I used to swear by HP but they've started this nasty habit of discontinuing ink cartridges after about three years, forcing you to buy a new printer because you can no longer get "original" cartridges for it.
On Windows I like Canon printers. But forget about trying to use the CD/DVD-printing Pixma series on Linux - while you can print on paper and labels just fine there is insufficient adjustment in the printer driver config files to allow proper alignment/registration when you wish to print directly on a CD/DVD, meaning you have to plug it into a Windows machine and use Canon's crappy CD Label Printer software that looks and behaves like a Windows 3.1 reject.
I'll be due for a new printer as soon as I can't get cartridges for my current HP OfficeJet. And this time I'm seriously considering a Samsung laser printer, or perhaps a Kyocera.
Why do you need a colour inkjet for copying music? I don't think I've ever seen sheet music where the colour is important - to the extent that about three quarters of the sheet music I've ever seen (and I've seen a fair bit) has been photocopied on a black and white copier.
I guess if you're copying for sale then you might think that colour decoration / presentation is important. But if you're doing this as a business, you should be using something more amenable to high volume than a colour inkjet printer.
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50% of my printer usage is to print images onto printable DVDs. AFAIK, there is no laser printer which will do this.
3rd party ink is cheap enough that I'm not too worried about cost. And so far the chipped cartridges don't give me too much trouble (Last 3 printers have been Epson).
It'd be very useful to know what volume of printing you estimate each printer will be used for.
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At work, we nog have a Xerox WorkCentre 6605DN. Scanning (with feeder), duplex, network, PostScript and Fax. It was a mere 650€. which is damned fine. From what I hear the consumables aren't that expensive (but not dirt cheap)... at least, I didn't get any complaints from accounting.
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I bought a Brother 5250 with network and tumble (print on both sides of a page).
Works flawlessly with Linux/OSX/Win.
Though I know of an Kyocera BW Laser bought ~ 1990 which still works fine as long as you don't bust its RAM by printing images.
Several years ago, I moved from an inkjet printer to a (color) laser printer. At home, for private use. I've never looked back, and these days I have no f&%$! idea why people buy injket printers.
It's got higher quality, it's cheaper per page, a toner lasts forever, and I can fire it up after not having used it for three months and it'll print - no cleaning required.
I personally own an OKI and am happy with it, but I agree with you that there is no true market leader. Online reviews can't be trusted, so I went with the technical data. Maybe that's a workable approach for you, just go for the facts?
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Already people are perpetuating a lot of myths.
- Laser ist cheaper than Inkjet
This is not true. A cheap color laser has very expensive toner needs whereas an expensive inkjet printer can be cheaper than many color lasers. If you cheaply want to print color the Epson B510DN is a goot choice. It is not so great for photos though and as with any Inkjet it wants to be used regularily.
If you want a color laser you have to buy a very expensive model to achieve cheap toner costs. This is only interesting if you have to print enough color pages,
Personally I would buy an Kyocera FS-1370 for cheap black and white laser printing. As mentioned by a post above this, it only needs toner and cheap refills are available without loss of quality. A new toner cartridge wheighs like a pound and it's all toner. But if you buy a cheap color laser from Kyocera the toner costs a lot.
For cheap color printing I would buy the above mentioned Epson.
And I woul buy a dedicated scanner.
If space constrains make you buy an all in one machine for scanning copying and color printing. I would get an Lexmark X748de It's expensive but the toner costs are OK. YOu can even use it as a b/w laser without feeling too bad. Lexmark has a rightfully deserved bad reputation for their small printers because ink was very expensive. Their professional models are great, though and the repair service is good.
It costs a fortune in toner. It works with Linux and Windows, but the drivers are useless - Linux: Dialogue boxes come up tiny, and "remember this setting" fails to remember, but, mysteriously, other settings won't change. Windows: fills desktop with indeciferable icons and general bloat, and wants to phone home/be registered, etc.
But... It prints wirelessly from Ipad and Macbook pro, and scans wirelessly from Android and Windows (not effortlessly, though).
Oki LED printers are cheap to run, and don't go wrong.
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I still have my HP Laserjet 4p. It's a great printer. I have no problems with it and never have. And to look back at how old it actually is? Wow. It's impressive. And toner? I have plenty. Home use just isn't that much you know? And I do have a color printer as well, but the toner is expensive and I just don't need color that often.
Nice thing about laser printers -- they can sit on a shelf a lot longer.
SOHO needs a printer like the titanic needs an iceburg. consider what you're doing:
electricity: even the most energy efficient lasers use more than 600 watts of power while printing, and even more in warmup phase. small colour laser requires a motor to turn a cartridge drum in most cases, much like a tiny carousel.
media: this cant be stressed enough. the price of paper might not seem backbreaking but printers beget printing. for laser printers you may get more prints per cartridge but those cartridges run about $80 at their cheapest, cant be thrown in a landfill and if they fail mechanically, have to be recycled regardless of prints remaining. the ink for an inkjet printer routinely rivals the price of heroin.
for SOHO consider picking up a cheap external modem and running a hylafax server to pick up correspondance from the dinosaurs still using fax machines. if its too technical, try using any of the fax-to-email services hat exist online. Buy a used scanner on ebay and sign your name, then scan it. whenever you get a fax simply overlay the signature or initial as necessary into the document. I did this for 4 years and no one who used a fax machine ever noticed or cared. send documents in PDF or better through email, and discourage snail mail correspondance whenever possible (trust me, your paper recycling bin will thank you.) its your SOHO, so shun partners and service providers that cant step into the 21st century with you.
if you need shipping labels printed then consider USPS kiosks or various shipping stores. theyre much more well equipped to deal with your shipping needs than you are anyhow. this goes for any label or signage. I cant count the number of small businesses I've had to deal with that laser print their own stock and somehow think it breaks even. Eventually companies will want your labels to include RFID tags or 2d barcodes, both of which your laser will cost a fortune to do in software licensing and burned up RFID tags.
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Buying a new HP today, I agree with you. I say the same. But I still have my 4P and it's still cranking and I don't use HP's drivers anyway. It comes from HP's better days.
I found this link ( http://theoatmeal.com/comics/printers ) from the comments section of this ( http://www.howtogeek.com/174232/htg-explains-why-is-printer-ink-so-expensive/ ) article. Hope it helps.
Since everyone is sharing anecdotal stories, I'll throw in my two bits. I have an HP ColorSmart C7280 and I love it. It's an inkjet, and we usually print fairly regularly, but it does still run through it's little maintenance run now and then. And photos look great usually. I use it for scanning fairly often as well, and it has a flatbed and a feeder. I wouldn't mind a laserjet, but I haven't sat down to figure out costs and determine if the quality would be as nice.
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I work for one of the Manufacturers, and I can tell you that at the SOHO level they're pretty much all the same. They all have their positives and negatives though none really related to the function of printing or standout. In fact most of the manufacturers re-badge the print engines and add their own features for which can be good and bad (good if they pull it of, bad if there are compatibility issues between the engine and controller Firmware).
NOTE: stay clear of inkjet cause they just cost you a fortune.
My usual question to people in your market is "Why do you need a printer"? Unless there is a specific legal requirement which is daily business, you don't actually need a printer. There are a host of ways to communicate without printing out reams of paper (ie email). Of course this is different in every country, so check what "legal needs" you have for hard copies before deciding. The other point is that in most cases an account at your local print shop can often suffice for incidentals, just save to PDF and get them to print it out, it will cost a lot less, and they usually offer pretty decent contract rates based on minimum volumes (can can often include mailing services if eg it's like an invoice run).
(remember I work for a manufacturer of printer products, so I don't say the above lightly).
Finally, if it's a must, get a Multifunctional network device, that was you'll have all the doc input/output functions you need, and make sure that the printer works with whatever "special" systems you use on your network (ie anything not Microsoft related, and even then sometimes Microsoft)
I don't have to print a lot and if I had a large job I would just go to the copy store. Generally, I just go to the store and buy the cheapest printer I can find. Prices seem to run between $40-$80. If its on sale then that is just great as between Christmas, the 4th of July, and back to school sales there is often a deal to be had. I go home with my new printer and print with it until I run out of toner. The starter toners are often small cases but some printer toners cases are bigger than others and Google can help with this. When I run out of toner I go out and buy a new printer. Its cheaper than buying toner refills. Plus, I don't have to replace parts that wear out on poorly designed machines. I can donate the 'old' printer for another win. I often get a lot of great features with the new printer. Yes, its a horrible waste but then you are probably aware that there are no good options from printer manufacturers.
So, I ask: who's making good printers these days?
Pretty much all the well-known brands
What you should ask is...
So, I ask: who's making the cheapest toners these days?
The cost of running a printer is much higher than the purchase cost (if not, then a laser printer is not for you)
Look for the price-per-page of toner and see if there are third party toners available for your specific model.
Also make sure the toner model is popular enough for third party vendors to keep making them.
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Also, I've seen SOHO Kyocera laser printers with a flat bed scanner under the document feeder. You won't need both types. [But stick to their proper network printers. There's a newer range for small offices, and many functions may not work properly over a network, only 1:1. Whether that means Kyocera is starting down the path of shitty consumer models, I don't know.]
If you print a lot of non-photo colour, pump for a colour laser. If you only print a bit of colour, occasionally but on demand, buy a cheap consumer inkjet or photo-printer every 3-12 months depending on use and plug it into a spare laptop, not the network. (I've had reasonable luck with entry-level ($50) Canon MFPs not drying out from lack of use. But cheap Epsons and HPs can't seem to handle not being used regularly.)
"Must last several years" is the wrong thinking with inkjets. Treat them as disposable, save yourself grief. If you get more than 12 months out of it, bonus. If not, who cares.
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Get something with PostScript support. That pretty much guarantees the thing will print, now and later, certainly any Unix, any other OS probably too. Can get away with very simple lpr configs too.
And it's available on pretty cheap printers these days, though obviously not on "winprinters" that depend on the driver to do all the lifting bar the putting stuff on paper part--you don't want those anyway as they might not work with the next version of windows either.
Apparently various "linux" (in casu freedesktop) apps now produce pdf instead of postscript, but that's no matter, since the printable part is a subset of postscript; the same stuff with loops and such removed and compression added, and so trivially convertable to postscript for printing. For that reason it'd be extremely strange to find a printer that would print pdf but not postscript.
Personally I picked the hp 2200d (and ended up with a dt), which is the last model in (that market segment as hp sees it) with unchipped toners, is hp so likely to have toners available for a long time, was available cheaply second hand, does postscript and has a duplexer, and has an EIO slot for a jetdirect. Extra memory and a jetdirect would've been nice, but it does USB and so works well enough for the few times a year that I need it.
But the niceties aside, the one thing that really matters is making sure it does PostScript. Even if you only ever install the thing once, the difference in hassle is worth it. That this requirement mostly wipes out the oh-so-cheap-but-screwing-you-on-the-ink inkjets is just happy coincidence, I'm sure.
I should mention that the printers with built-in Postscript "just work" under any kind of *nix. No more specific drivers, font problems, bad picture scaling etc. I have 2 of them (bw and color) and I remember a Windows-only device and Ghostscript driver for it as a terrible nightmare.
Unfortunately, I've never seen a cheap Postscript printer-scanner.
After the stack of somewhat dead inkjetprinters reached the ceiling of my basement, I decided to get the printer my mom had been using for 5 years without a problem (apart from the plug falling out once:P). That was a Samsung. I've been using it for 2 years and it's awesome. Would highly recommend it.
Also got myself an A3 Konica-Minolta color laser printer but that may be a bit pricey for your needs. Would also highly recommend this.
Whatever you do, don't get an inkjet. Probably any laserprinter with proper driver support (linux support!) and a network connection is just fine.
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Some low end B&W photocopier/scanner/printers seem to last for years without hassles. Getting it second hand is an option since some places are ditching them for colour. Most brands, apart from those run by idiots that leave to go into politics, will take postscript or even PDF so you can print to them with anything from an Atari ST up without having to care about drivers.
For an Office. Sure. But at home I don't like having a laser printer buzzing away. They create a lot more pollution in the form of nanoparticles and ozon than an inkjet printer.
On the other hand, at home you'll print a lot less pages than in an office. Thus generating less noise and dust.
And the laser printer can just stay where it is fine (toner doesn't age). Whereas, as said before, an InkJet will either have do go on self-cleaning cycles and waste some of its "unicorn-blood-priced" ink, or risk ending up being clogged, which will require you to change the cartridges and throw away the remaining ink.
I was told (by a workplace safety expert) that laser printers should ideally always be in their own, well ventilated, room.
If you're that much affraid, you can still keep the abominable printer in its own closet or cupboard (advandage: the material needed to clean dust spill in case of mishandling toner replacement is in the same closet).
(For the extra paranoid: but a vacuum cleaner's HEPA filter [to filter dust] and a fan blowing out of the cupboard [to keep the pressure gradient lower and keep dust particle in] - that should enormously lower the amount of particles in the air)
But if you find laser printers scary, think also about all the evil solvent that are inside the ink and that evaporate as the ink dries.
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We are a Kyocera shop, using everything from FS1370s to TASkalfa 5550Cis, and while I'm no fan of their firmware/software, the hardware does take a beating.
How is it no one has linked to The Wirecutter? This website answers your query. I see it as the new Byte in some ways.
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-multifunction-printer-is-the-epson-workforce-wf-3520/
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/brother-hl-2270dw-best-laser-printer/
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-photo-inkjet-printer/
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First off I'm probably the only expert on this matter here so listen carefully. Almost nobody does a proper job of advertising or supporting Linux. It it is supported properly it is by coincidence. Even my favorite (HP) isn't advocating free software. They merely make it easy to check which are truly free software friendly.
The one reason I continue returning to HP is because the company does a good job of tracking which printers will hold me hostage to the company and which I can reasonably expect will be supported down the road (regardless of HP's continued support for them).
Five things to check before buying a printer:
1. Check the Minimum HPLIP version and make sure your distribution and version have at least this (most printers won't support Ubuntu 12.04 that are on the market now)
2. Check the Support level from HP lists it as Full
3. Make sure where it says Recommended? that it says Yes
4. At the bottom it says Driver plug-in and you want to make sure it says None
5. Again at the bottom check Requires firmware download is No
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/recommended.html
If nothing else- ThinkPenguin sells a few models (no lasers at the moment) and they all work with Ubuntu 12.04, Trisquel 6, Linux Mint 13, etc. For those who don't know these are the long term supported releases.
If you're handy, you can get amazing deals on full size business machines. I currently use a Ricoh Afficio 2238c for my heavy use work. It was $1000 and only needed about $200 in parts. It is 38ppm, color, duplexing, and can handle 11x17. It has an ADF and 11x17 flatbed which would be nice for the sheet music. I pair that with an HP4100 dtn that is better for short runs and turns on faster. I have a 4600dn too, but don't really use it anymore. The older HPs are really a steal and have cheap aftermarket consumables.
I have had a consumer-level HP 3070A print-scan-copy machine for a couple of years and the experience has been really good. The drivers are a 22 MB package and they work 100% fast and reliably. Both printing and scanning work wirelessly. The UI panel of the printer is super easy to use. Great print quality, no clogged print heads. This particular unit has provided me good value.
Does everyone really just know that SOHO = "Single Owner Home Office" (took a bit of Google fanciness to get around the neighborhoods in London & NYC).
To answer the OP's question, I've had great luck with my Canon Pixma MP495. Canon *did write* Linux firmware/software, it's just not available through their US site for whatever reason (it's also kludgy as hell, but it gets the job done).
Agreed on Kyocera. Once we moved to them for the majority of our clinic's printing, we had a measured 90% decrease in printer problems. It also is a good idea to find a local printer maintenance company that specializes in Kyocera printers as I have found that when there is a problem it is generally a worn out part that is causing it. Which speaks volumes about the quality of the printers as they wear out before they break something. I have never seen them fail to the point of disabling the printer without having printed well over 10000 pages first. Our current Kyocera with the record for the most pages printed is somewhere above 1 Million pages printed.
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Honestly, because you can write them off yearly and replace them yearly. a $99.00 color laser or even the B&W ones are perfect and you can use the hell out of them knowing that if it fails then only $99.00 to get a new one. Offbrand refills are 1/3rd the cost and if they blow up the printer who cares, IT's only $99.00
Unless you are doing extreme volume and need things like 11X17 duplex and document management it is purely stupid to buy a higher end printer.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Get a HPLJ2300DTN. There's millions of them out there in surplus because they don't break down. You can get rebuild kits for when the feed rollers get tired. Fast, reliable, speaks multiple protocols, networked. Couple hundred bucks. Toner is cheap as hell.
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I've been using one of these for some months now and am very happy. I recommended it to a colleague recently and he like it too. It is an inkjet with flatbed and ADF scanner, fax and WiFi. It works really well on Windows 7 for me but Linux drivers are available. Separate ink cartridges and there are usually compatibles available for Epson printers.
After becoming disgusted with the price of inkjet cartridges, I bought a brother MFC-9320CW, which is a very capable multi-function color laser printer. The current cost is about $800 which seems moderate for all it can do. However, I found that I immediately had to buy $150 of replacement cartridges for it because it comes with "teaser" cartridges that don't only work for a ridiculously short time. And the replacement cartridges didn't last long either.
I wasn't happy about that, but I soon discovered that the cartridges have a "flag gear" on them that the printer uses to prevent you from using all the ink in the cartridge - it simply refuses to print. But you can reset the flag gear about three times before the cartridge is truly empty. (Search for "TN-210" on YouTube to see a video about resetting the flag gears - it only takes a couple of minutes once you get good at it.)
The teaser cartridges don't come with flag gears, but those can be bought separately for about $3 per cartridge. You can also buy a cartridge refill kit for about $30 that will refill two blacks and one each of the three colors. This is a bit of trouble (and mess), but it does work. (I never had any luck refilling inkjet cartridges.)
The printer is such a tank that I suspect that Brother loses money on the printer itself. So, if you like to beat the system and don't mind a little trouble (and mess), the method here would be:
- buy the printer at the typical loss-leader price
- buy flag gears for the teaser cartridges and learn how to install/reset them via YouTube
- buy refill kits to refill the teaser cartridges and keep refilling them as shown on YouTube
Alternatively, you could by third-party used cartridges. Resetting the flag gear still would be an essential skill, though.
Canon makes good cameras.
Canon makes good projectors.
Canon makes good inkjet printers.
And... Canon makes good multi-capable printer-scanner-fax-sheet fed-flatbed-etc. capable machines. Also, they don't gouge you on ink like Epson does.
The CEO of Epson was quoted a few years ago as saying that printers are "vending machines for ink." F U Epson.
Replaced my HPLJ4+ with a ML-2855ND some years ago now. No problems with reliability. Similar form-factor to the LJ4, more power efficient. Our usage is light to medium - it got most usage when my wife was working on her doctorate.
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Yup, have to agree!
The Xerox Phaser solid ink is awesome. Sure takes a minute or 2 to warm up, but with CYMK sticks do a fantastic job with B a good job on color.
Little secret, Dell Laser Printers are generally re-branded Xerox or Lexmark. I've been running a Dell Color Laser 2130cn that cost me $400 originally in 2005 for 8 years now only changing the ink maybe 4 times so far (ok no I don't print all that much). But the sucker has never failed me one.
Google whatever Dell printer that interest you, you can generally find people mention what printer its a rebrand of.
> I can remember trading up from adaisy-wheel printer todot matrix
You could print diagrams, but would have to put up with awful letters. I would leave a blank spot and paste in or draw a diagram.
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I've spent way too many days of my life trying to deal with persuading printers and scanners to work with Linux. Unix printing has always been as dubious as its networking/file handling is good. Postscript? Not the unix community's best idea ever. Nevertheless, unix printing nowadays is acceptable except that manufacturers seem to regard unix printer drivers for their hardware as an an after thought. Having said that, I bought an HP-1102W a few years ago because the 20 year old HP-2P was on life support and HP unit was on sale. That was despite a great deal of ill-will that HP had generated when I had to support a few dozen of it's nasty unrepairable ink-jets with their ever changing, unrefillable ink cartridges. Not to say that their Linux driver actually worked on my old version of Slackware, but HP had obviously put some effort into it and it almost worked. I think it might have worked on one of the mainstream Linux distributions. I was able to get the printer going by installing/configuring with Windows -- which worked flawlessly -- then digging out a third party translator for Postscript to the printer protocol.
Then there's CUPS. But at least CUPS actually does an decent job of managing and routing printouts if you can get your printer set up properly and can tolerate the clunky http: interface. And it's free, so I reckon it'd be impolite to bitch too much about it.
My advice. The suggestion made by others of a printer with postscript support might have merit, but search the web first to make sure that the postscript support actually works well and isn't just window dressing. If possible avoid, printers using uncommon protocols like SPL where broadbased support is iffy (although the shareware rkkda driver does work on my two SPL printers and splix may work for some people sometimes). The suggestion of a low end color laser printer over an inkjet probably has merit. If possible, buy a printer where third party refilled cartridges are available. Specific models? I dunno. If you can find any specific model where users say Linux just works, I'd pay a bit extra for one if those.
Manufacturers? I dunno. At least HP seems to be trying to support Unix, but others may do better.
BTW, those indestructable HP printers of yore -- at least the HP-II,HP-iii lines were built around Canon print engines.
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I hear good things about Kyocera, but I'll put in a plug for Brother. They're the only printer manufacturer that let you replace the drum and toner separately AFAIK.
(I have a model from the cheap end -- an HL-2510N -- and its text quality is very good even with toner save on. (Toner save means death to diagrams though.) They regularly win the top spot for the quality part in reviews, too.)
I've been using a Brother MFC-9120CN for a few years now and have yet to encounter any problem with it. It was reasonably priced when I bought it and does everything I could ever want from a laser printer. Needless to say, I appreciate Brother for making full-featured Linux drivers available as well.
The question did not limit recommendations to printers in production.
If my color laser printer came from Goodwill and it works, I'm a happy camper.
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I was trying to copy music with my scanner, but the reflection off the disk burned it out.
I second this. I have had two brother printers (one at home and one at the office) and they have lasted 8+ years and show no signs of slowing down. They are great for low end printing, which is probably all you need in a SOHO. I would recommend one with a network port and probably a scanner function as well, so the MFC7360 is probably a good candidate.
Also, to get around the fanboy reviews, throw out the 5 and 1 star reviews on sites like amazon and they tend to be pretty accurate.
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my old home samsung has separate toner cartridges for every color (separate from the drum).
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I still have one here for occasional duties. It spent most of its life at an insurance company, so would have been absolutely hammered for about 20 years prior to getting it. Still works perfectly and without fuss. I believe you can still get toner for them as well.
I doubt you will want to do this, but you could also go down the semi-disposable route of buying very cheap old colour lasers and throwing them out again when they run out of toner. I bought an enormous old Konica Magicolor (with ethernet, duplexer and all assortments of bells & whistles) for £1 a couple of years back with this in mind and am still waiting for it to run out of toner. I suspect Windows will stop supporting it long before I run out of toner.
Just stay away from inkjets, they're absolutely hopeless.
Here in Thailand inkjet printers retrofitted with continuous ink supply system are popular. Big ink tanks glued to the side of the printer, plastic hoses supply ink to printing head. With this mod if you print a lot you will have to refill those big tanks about once a year with very cheap ink.
This is a nice suggestion and an alternative to the "Shick, Gilette" world of non-commercial SOHO printers.
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Prefer Ricoh or Xerox over the Kyocera they typically run 100k before I see any problems where the kyocera usually has problems starting around 15k. Quality is just better, and the machines are made for offices with built in accounting on them. But overall, you Find a Xerox VAR or value added re seller and figure out if your volume makes sense for such machines.
Also, if you have a lot of printers, copiers etc. on the network, get a VAR to cough up FM-Audit for free it's a .net based printer data tracking software that keeps track of errors prints, coverage, power usage, etc. All they typically ask for is the permission to place a bid on your printing equipment when you replace it. One that I know will do it is a company I used to work with near Lawrence Livermore Labs www.eisonline.net
I picked up an HP Laserjet 5550DTN for £400 recently off ebay. Only had 14000 pages on the clock.
It's huuuuge but it's A3 colour, duplex, built like a tank and really fast. 3rd party toners are dead cheap and I have no issues with them.
Worth looking at used models if they are from a good seller and low mileage.
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Just to throw in my two cents worth of advice. I totally I agree with the assertion that laser printers are the best investment in terms of ROI. Those toners do last forever, do not need any maintenance other that a vigorous shake-up once in a while to fix up banding problems and they have high quality outputs. However, I still find inkjets printers necessary. Especially for print jobs requiring different page sizes other than the regular letter and legal sizes. I would invest in a good color multi-function laser printer for my regular B/W printing and my general photocopying (b/w and color) needs and get an inkjet printer capable of doing wide formats paper (and smaller) sizes (CD/DVD). I highly recommend the Epson Stylus and Stylus Pro inkjets products and the HP OfficeJet and OfficeJet Pro laser MFP products. You get one of these two pairs and you'll be set up for life for all your office printing and photocopying needs, b/w and color. And the output quality and speed on these products are off the charts.
I have a Brother 9840-CDW and I must say it's a reliable beast. I can scan/copy/print from my Mac and my wife's nasty windows boxes.
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I've had the daisy wheel. The dot matrix. The inkjets. (HP 722C was an awesome workhorse but darn that parallel port.) I had Alps that printed metallic inks. And various others. My absolute worst experience was with a Dell color laser. HORRIBLE. Print quality always had defects. Never really worked right. Would refuse to print based on hitting an estimated 2000 pages (regardless of print quality and ink availability).
I replaced that with an HP CM1415 FNW wireless multi-function color laser. It was one of the first to be able to print from your iPhone. The quality is decent. Has a touch screen control. Ink is expensive, but I've printed hundreds and hundreds of copies long long after the ink is low warning with next to no difference in print quality. And loading of new toner cartridges is a breeze. Pull out a drawer, remove the color you need to replace, drop in the new one.
For a $299 printer, this was one of the best buys I've made.
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As much as I despise both companies, they have their place in printers.
At home we have a cheap HP 4620 multi-function unit that is wifi and USB only. Works with Apple's AirPrint for iOS devices which is huge for me. It has been a pain to deal with, but it can handle the basics ok for light duty, must-have-a-printer needs.
At work we have a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Printers with the compact Samsung duplex laser printers. $99 each, and pretty fast. Cost per page is comparable to our 15-year old Canon workhorse, but much faster for graphics. They die and you get another one.
Wildly overkill for SOHO when the submitter is talking about the level of inkjets.
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amazing that no one has mentioned Lexmark printers. and that should tell you all you need to know about them.
I'm also a huge fan of the Kyoceras in an office environment. Rock solid and dependable and the cost per page is very low. I've yet to have any trouble with their drivers but they could use a bit of improvement in that area from an ease of use/ease of administration standpoint. If they spent a little time improving their website that would go a long way.
In an office environment I'm also a fan of purchasing through local dealers and getting a support contract. Most outfits will give you a per-page price that includes toner, maintenance, and even lease cost if you want to go that route. Do this for ALL paper handling devices (Copiers, high speed scanners, printers, fax machines, etc) - Paper handling devices are money sinks and knowing your costs is worth a little overhead. You may think you can save money supporting your own printers, but the first time any serious maintenance needs to be done your imagined savings will evaporate. ALL paper handling devices seeing any non-trival use need a lot of regular maintenance if you depend on them. In an office, don't think of printers as devices. Think of printing as a service.
For cheap/home use I'm a fan of Brother laser printers. Low price, dependable, reasonable toner costs. No cheap printer will last for ever but I've had by far the best luck with Brother devices. Their drivers are great, and updated frequently. (Linux support too!) The network support is nothing short of fantastic. Even the cheapest printers support a laundry list of services (Just spit out a network diag page and look for yourself)
The scanner will not work if any of the ink cartridges need to be replaced, and the ink in the cartridge will eventually dry out, even if it is not being used at all, making the scanner inoperative as well.
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If you want to go inkjet there are great deals out there. the trick is to shop for the ink first before buying the printer. The best deal can be had if you can find a printer that has a good supply of cloned ink cartridges - not refills. For about $40 bucks on some printers you can get 20 or more ink cartrides. Once you find models with cheap ink then look at the reviews ofr the printer to make sure it isnt a dog. One example: Canon Pixma MX892, great printer, lots of 3rd party inexpensive ink that just works.
Second reccomendation, don't buty a network printer without some sort of display, nothaving a display to report network or other printing problems just is asking for additional time trying to figure out what is wrong with your printer.
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I have set up brother printers on Linux machines before for family, they are pretty good. One was a USB only and got plugged in to a dd-wrt router and scanning/printing work great over the network. Other one's got an Ethernet port, works great too. The drivers are simple to install but as a warning for a novice: there is some command line stuff for setting up the scanner, and the web site for downloading the drivers isn't the friendliest... but they do officially support Linux! Just noting this because the poster wants a Linux/windows printer specifically.
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Kyocera, which I have never used seems to be winning on the new printer front here, but I was given a few slightly used HP 4xxx series printers and just upgraded one into a monster, the thing works great, is cheap to run and may outlive me.
I am sure some Ebay searching or even craigslist could turn up several of these. With cheap parts from China they should run forever.
I got myself a Brother A3 multifunction scanner/printer. Through away the factory cartridges, fitted some refillables ... top up with generic bottled ink. Loaded up the latest Linux driver for both functions and it's all sweet. I can burn through as much paper as I like now. Everything's cheap. :)
I wouldn't use it for photo printing but it's perfect for everything else. I'm forever printing diagrams, charts and datasheets. Using colour for everything is so much better than the old lasers at work.
PS: It does require a regular cleaning cycle on just the black for some reason. I read somewhere these model printers have a habit of getting air-locks. But it clears easy so no biggie.
I've recommended a lot of the Brother laser printers over the years - they're inexpensive to purchase and use, easy to configure, and they have solid driver support even at the low end (I've been burned by cheap HP lasers with crappy driver support in business environments). Another feature that the networked multifunctions have is scanning to FTP destinations - I've been astonished how many "business" multifunctions require proprietary client software running on a PC as a scan destination.
The one drawback of the Brother printers is that for heavy use they may not be suitable - they have some parts that are supposed to be replaced at 100,000 pages that would cost as much as a new printer, but I've had a couple older ones still creaking along at ~175,000 pages. I just regard it as a "maintenance kit" for the printer that in fact is a new printer, and they still come out cheaper in a lot of cases. Also, don't get the absolute lowest-end of the Brother multifunctions, I've seen at least one of those be a GDI printer instead of PCL/PS - read the specs.
If you're not sure how many pages/month you'll do, just consider how much paper you purchase - if you're running a box per month, look higher-end for printers.
Finally, a tip: you'll want to configure the printer via network interface (admin/access), because there are settings not available through the control panel - most notably, the default behavior when it reaches the "end" of a toner cartridge is to stop printing, but you can change this to "Continue" through the web interface.
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I have had good luck with Samsung lasers. Had an ML-1210 for many years as well as others. Just had to change toner every year or 2.
I'm going to recommend jumping one level up (street price there shouldn't be much difference), especially if you're going to be doing ANY faxing - the 7860 has built-in PCL & PS emulation and has a 33.6kbps fax modem vs the 14.4 in the 7460. The 7460 is a GDI printer with everything being done in the driver instead.
The PCL & PS emulation basically mean that no matter what you can use it in some way with just about any system - it may not be perfect, but anything can print with those.
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You're correct in saying that printers are now cheap, in every meaning of the word. But 90% of that cheap is on the physical side, which shouldn't matter for SOHO applications.
I bought an HP LaserJet 100 Color MFP M175nw.
As far as printers go, it's visually attractive. It's got a flatbed and sheet feeder scanner, and while the scans ain't exactly colour accurate, it's certainly great enough for business purposes. The print speed is perfectly fine too. The paper tray is fairly small, but in SOHO I can easily keep a stack nearby. As a physical specimen, I wouldn't trust it in a large office environment -- leaning on it, stealing it, and constantly loading it with paper and toner would make it a hassle. But in my environment, those aren't issues.
In the end, I get what I wanted -- a colour laser printer. It was easily obtained. It was ~$200 with 30% toner. Replacement toney is easily ordered and very inexpensive -- it takes four small toner cartridges that total about $250. It takes about 30 seconds to change each one -- again, fine for SOHO. I print approximately 400 pages per month. The toner lasts me over a year.
I've been using this printer for close to two years now. No complaints.
Canon All in one. The printing works easily in Linux. You install a driver and it just works in Ubuntu. I never got the network scanning to work in Linux though. Works well in Windows as well. I don't use the wireless option (it is hard wired into my network). I have heard people complain about the wireless strength in reviews. http://www.amazon.com/Canon-imageCLASS-MF4890dw-Wireless-Monochrome/dp/B008YD1V76/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1382541608&sr=8-2&keywords=canon+all+in+one+laser+printer
I can tell you've never tried to make an inkjet printer from scratch. Dispensing fractions of a milliliter needed for high DPI is hard and building the hardware for it is equally hard.
The only DIY feasible printing technology is pen-plotters. Lots of people make their own pen-plotters for the same reason that people make their own 3d printers: everything it is made out of can be bought commercially for decades or machined with minimal tools.
Recently my Canon pixma 5220 printer-head failed just about a month after the warranty expired so I found myself in need of a replacement. My primary criteria were a compact size, the ability to print tabloid size prints, and because I don't use the printer very often, the use of as little ink as possible for printer-head cleaning. Its really annoying to try and print something after a few weeks of non-use only to be told that a cartridge that was running low, is now completely empty. I settled on the Brother MFC-J4410dw which i picked up for $110 as Brother was running a $40 promotion on it. PC Mag gave it a editors choice. The only drawback is that graphics quality is not great but personally I find that when it comes to photos no printer can match the quality of online print stores for the money per print.
The reviews of the Phaser leave out how _fun_ this printer is. It's huge, heavy, and complicated, more-so than a laser, and makes more weird noises. Supposedly there is a vacuum pump inside the thing somewhere.
And the printed output looks different, in the same way that inkjet and laser look different. It makes me contemplate how life would feel if other printing methods for books, posters, newspapers had become popular, in the same way one might wonder how umbrellas would look different if Hitler had won the war. I like the way it looks, but more so I like the fact that it looks a little different than what everyone else prints (while still being equivalently legible). It feels like aliens trying to blend in.
I'd recommend a monochrome laser (I use a Samsung) for actual printing and an all-in-one for color printing/scanning/faxing. Inkjet ink is just too expensive for day-to-day printing.
It's like saying, "Yea multi-tools are nice, but you might want an actual knife or an actual screwdriver if you plan on using them much."
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Here is another Brother fan. I was always an Epson person until my C82 finally burned up its head. Then out on a job I needed a printer so bought a C89, 5 or 6 color. One nozzle plugged before I even loaded it in the truck to come home 6 or 7 weeks later. I had been doing wedding prints on the C82, but the C89 flat could not be tuned to do color anywhere near as well as the C82 did. Bought an Epson NX515 MFC, which allowed me to toss an old epson scanner that had always had a vertical line artifact. Then I shut amanda down, which was exersizeing it nightly as I was switching distro's so I was running the same thing on 3 of the 4 machines here. Took 6 weeks or so to get everything working so I could restart amanda. First amanda report might have had 50 dots of ink on the paper. So I was reduced to using it as a scanner, but even that is problematic because the glass is tilted and you cannot, short of gluing it to the glass, lay a sheet to scan on it and have it straight when you scan. As a scanner its quite decent, so its still hooked up & turned off.
In the meantime, the xerox 1650ro I had been using on an old computer started shattering its film ribbons, and no new ribbons can be had, so I bought a Brother HL-2140 B&W laser, hooked the ser-port on the old machine to a usb translater and wrote a script to intercept the data and cross-feed it to cups, then send the cups output back down the same 15 meter usb cable to the hub the 232 adapter is plugged into where it hits that printer and spits out my assembly listings at 19 PPM. 4 or 5 reams of paper, and a toner cart later, it still Just Works(TM).
So when the NX515 died, I bought a Brother HL3170CDW. Old firmware, and Brothers firmware needed a windows machine to reburn it.
Next door neighbor's win7 lappy couldn't find the printer. Hauled printer 30 miles up the interstate to Staples where I had bought it. But they weren't interested enough to install brother installer on one of their windows machines, screw you attitude. Hauled it over to my old employers (I am retired for over a decade now) where Jim had an XP machine that found it instantly. Installed the cd I'd burnt, and the upgrade went flawlessly.
Got back home & hooked up to cups, tried duplex. Binding ditch on wrong side of the page! Turned the option off both in the printer and in cups. A couple months later I needed to do duplex again, turn it on, and the binding ditch was gone! So I haven't putzed with that since.
Trying to print some color, it looks like its sharpness is severely diffraction compromised, but using gimp, I can apply a fairly large amount of unsharp mask and make it usable, but the color saturation isn't quite there, nor is the contrast, but I'm still tinkering with that. Normal text output, and stuff in color from firefox is quite usable.
Would I buy another? Probably, since its now down to about $270, where I paid $399 last spring. Can I print wedding photos with it? Maybe, with enough putzing in gimp. The reds aren't as bad as HP's orange but not exectly spot on, but gimp has the corrections needed, I just have to find them.
I've used the starter black in 400 pages, but due to the size of its cartridges, 2200 pages of black is the rating, at $85 a pop. So its not the cheapest. It refused to feed one page so far, it had a dinged corner.
So yes, I'd buy another unless I was able to find one of the kyocera's at a good price. No clue how its reds are, but that seems to be the Achilles heel of doing decent color. IMO the only red that was truly red, was the red for the C82.
"and a color inkjet with a solid flatbed scanner for copying music"
How do you copy music with a flatbed scanner?
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If you're in the market for a small workgroup color laser I highly recommend the HP LaserJet m551dn.
It's around $800 up front but with a life expectancy of >10 years it's worth every penny. The print quality is excellent, it's nearly silent, and the JetDirect has tons of features for authentication. authorization and auditing allowing restrictions to be set on usage. You can even control who is allowed to use color vs monochrome.
As for scanning the $100 HP OfficeJet 6700 works and is completely supported in Windows, OS X and Linux (with hplip).
Get a pre-Carly Laserjet. They're built like tanks and are cheap to operate.
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I said goodbye forever to the hell of inkjets almost a year ago and got a Brother B&W laser with auto-duplexing. It's a simple, no-nonsense device that just works and they provide drivers for everything. I have it installed on a Debian desktop that I use as a print server, among other things. Brother makes B&W and color multi-functions as well, and I'm sure they're equally excellent devices.
The skimpy, factory-included toner is only just now telling me it's low, but, hey, it will still try to print until it's absolutely dead, unlike many inkjets that lie to you about low ink and refuse to print until you buy more at a higher unit cost than bull semen.
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I have been using a Ricoh AP2600N for about the last 8 years. Got it because it was able to pull 35 pound stock. Works w/ Linux & Apple. Still using it today.
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I am NOT impressed with the Ricoh we have in my office. It continually flashes this error about "Cannot install this software" on the display, and the technicians say there's no way to get rid of it. It jams frequently. The thing loves to beep loudly and frequently about EVERYTHING (and yes, it is in the cube behind me). It isn't bad, but it isn't what I'd consider "good" either.
(Full info: It is a Ricoh Aficio MP C5501. Yes, this is probably beyond the kind of thing the OP was looking for, but I'm mostly posting to give my feedback on the brand.)
One of them broke off while replacing the toner cartridge for the very first time rendering the printer unusable. I haven't looked at Brother's printers since. The price was right but the quality of the hardware wasn't up to snuff.
Our company has about 6 Brother laser printers of various sorts. They're workhorses. They are reasonably priced and I've gotten excellent mileage out of them with good reliability. I have a Brother HL-4150CDN sitting next to me that I print about 1000-2000 pages a month with and has worked for nearly 3 years without any problems. My only real complaint with them is that they declare the toner cartridge to be out of ink before it actually is out of ink and will not print until it is replaced.
I wouldn't touch an inkjet with a barge pole except for a few very specific circumstances.
Sadly, most of HP's new printers don't print unless you install their non-free driver. This includes their laterjet printers.
HP used to be the most reliable for free software drivers, but not anymore.
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For me, the deciding factor in purchasing a printer has always been the cost of toner cartridges. I found far too many vendors were willing to "dump" a printer for a cheap price and then soak you on toner later.
Surprise, surprise: my last (and current) printer is an HP LaserJet 1200. Toner is now getting hard to find after nearly a decade of use, but is still available for around $90 a cartridge, which lasts a good 2 years or so at my print volume.
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I'll second the vote for Brother. I have a HL-2170W (monochrome workgroup laser printer with wired and wireless networking). It's been working great for years. I don't print much, but it's been very reliable when I need to print anything. My toner supposedly ran out over a year ago, and I just put a piece of tape over the thing that lets it see it's out of toner, and it just keeps printing. I have a new toner package ready to go, but just haven't needed it.
Depending on how small your SOHO is, this could be worth getting. It's cheap, laser, networked, and works with linux with no issue at all. I have no idea about multifunction printers though (those with built in scanners).
I bought an HL-2170W a few years ago after comparing consumables prices; out of consumer brands, Brother definitely came out on top. You do have to replace the drum eventually too, which can get a bit pricey relative to the cost of the machine, but it helps that the machine's completely no-nonsense—it doesn't try to foist any fancy interfaces on the home user, and it's got a somewhat disturbingly long list of ways to submit print jobs when running in network mode (directly to the printer via FTP? what?) And it's easy to get off-brand replacement toner that's high-quality and cheap, too; they don't invent new cartridge types for every piece of equipment they make.
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I've owned 4 different HP color lasers, and last year replaced one that had died after just 2 years' worth to a cheap $350 Samsung ($200 cheaper than the HP with ethernet and OSX + Windows drivers). Print quality is terrible, 3rd party remanufactured / refilled cartridges from ebay are quite cheap but produce washed out colors and sometimes toner that doesn't stick to the page. My next printer will likely be another HP, if I have the money for it.
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Laser printers are still much more expensive to buy than inkjets.
Not really true anymore. You can get a very good basic laser printer for about US$60-90. I just bought a pair of Brother laser printers for about $75 each and they work great. Even a good color laser can be had for about US200-300.
Sure after 10,000 pages they're cheaper but most inkjets never make it that far
Kind of shooting your argument in the foot there. First set of ink cartridges you have dry out on you prematurely (which WILL happen if you don't print regularly) will erase any cost difference. And if you do print a lot then a laser very quickly becomes the economic choice. There are a few people for whom inkjets sort of make sense but not many. Inkjets are good if you are using them to regularly print high quality pictures. They also are good as large plotters. Otherwise I can't really think of a use case that makes much sense. If you only print very occasionally an inkjet is a REALLY stupid purchase and super wasteful as well. Most inkjets I've used are built really really poorly so you'll end up throwing them out even if you ignore the outrageous cost of ink.
Lasers are also bulkier.
Again, not actually true in many many cases. Most lasers are comparably sized to inkjets with similar performance and features. Doesn't matter whether you are talking about just printers or multi-function units. Inkjets might be a bit smaller but the difference is usually pretty minor.
I've had really good runs with Brother printers. At my business I'm using a Brother HL 5370DW hooked up to my POS system which prints invoices for customers. Set it to toner saver and even the included half full toner lasted me something like 3000 pages. I print like 10-30 invoices per day 7 days per week.
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I can attest to this. I got sick and tired of inkjets waking themselves up in the middle of the night to dump ink into the little sponge inside that let it evaporate. They call it "cleaning," but in reality it's just wasting ink so you have to buy more.
Inkjets are crack cocaine. We just have to break the cycle of addiction.
I bought an OKI B-4200 LED printer back in about 2005 and it is still working flawlessly today. I think I'm on my third toner cartridge in 8 years (we don't print that much).
We're thinking about replacing it with a Brother color laser, so it's good to know they have good driver support because I'm 100% Linux at home.
Show me the calculation, I'm not convinced.
What is the use case? Color or B&W? How many pages per month? Printing text, pictures or graphics?
When I replaced our inkjet at work with a color laser printer the payback was basically about 2500 pages (the first set of toner cartridges) to erase the price premium of the laser. I did the math just out of curiosity. Plus it allowed me to use the printer in circumstances where it didn't make economic sense before (ink cost too much). Add in the fact that the laser was FAR faster, has a larger paper tray, could print duplex and was network capable and it was pretty much a no brainer.
We replaced every inkjet in my office with a laser. For basic B&W printing we use some basic Brother laser printers that cost about $75 when on sale and print 3000 pages per toner cartridge.
Inkjets have some very narrow use cases where they make sense. Printing high quality photos is the most common. A good inkjet will print images better than a consumer grade laser printer.
I've been relatively impressed with my Epson Workforce WF-3540. It works flawlessly in a SOHO environment, and with Apple hardware (Mac's, iPads, iPhones, and iPod Touches). The AirPrint feature is a great technology enabler for small businesses. In a medical office for instance, doctors could maintain records with an iPad and beam patient instructions or prescriptions right to a printer in the exam room.
I originally didn't think I would need wireless printing, but it has proven to be indispensable if you want to integrate an iPad, iPod Touch, iPhone, or Android device into your business.
Black and white laser: Brother 5250DN, includes ethernet interface. Works just fine with mac, windows, and linux. I have printed over 20,000 pages on mine, and I have only needed three toner cartridges. This printer is as simple and plug-and-play as it gets and it works great. You can feed in envelops and such if you need to. And if you cover the optical window on the toner (where it checks the toner level), you can print a lot more on each one. Since this printer accepts generic post script, you can print out of the box with any computer build since 1995 using a generic postscript driver and get most of the functionality if not all. If you want to read the printer status then install the brother drivers, which are very good and work on all modern platforms.
Scanner (and color inkjet): Canon MX870. The scanner is worth the price alone, as it can do bulk scanning, BOTH SIDES ("full duplex"), of a stack of paper. I used this in school all the time to archive my notes and old tests. If you have a nice photo or something, you can use the normal flatbed and get very high resolution -- probably overkill at the highest setting for most cases as the files can be enormous. You can also put in a USB drive or memory card and print off it. To be honest, I think our older Epson was a better photo printer, but this one is not bad at all. The scanner though, it's just as good as it gets for the price. The full duplex scanning is very very useful, I think for a business it would be invaluable to be able to just put in a stack of bills or sheet music or what have you and hit "scan" and get a PDF out of it. Lastly, this printer has wifi and ethernet built-in, and yes, you can use the scanner over the network, although I think most people will find this isn't as useful as it sounds.
Inkjets are disposable. If you only use them once every few weeks, your heads will be so hopelessly clogged in just a few months that you'll have to junk it. That's false economy; it doesn't take very long even at one $60-printer-per-year before you've exceeded the cost of a small-but-good, duplex-capable color laser, e.g. a Konica Minolta 1650EN (*), particularly when you factor in the high cost of ink. Unless you have a specific need for the look of ink, I'd just steer clear of it entirely.
(*) Note that I have not personally used that particular laser except for seeing print samples at a conference, but I own its big brother, the 7450 II grafx, and would highly recommend it if you need a large-format color laser. For printing music, the ability to do 11x17 folio printing is really useful.
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This is not true. A cheap color laser has very expensive toner needs whereas an expensive inkjet printer can be cheaper than many color lasers.
I defy you to find a case where on a per page basis the ink is even close to as cheap as from a laser. B&W or color, doesn't matter. The toner cartridges for the color laser printer I have next to me cost about $75-85 each and they print about 3500 pages. That is about $0.02 per page versus the average around $0.08 per page with inkjets (look it up). You can buy a printer equivalent to the one I have from the same manufacturer for just over $225 right now.
If you want a color laser you have to buy a very expensive model to achieve cheap toner costs.
Demonstrably not true if you are comparing to any inkjet. You can get a very good color laser printer these days for $250 or less. I have a Brother HL-4150CDN right next to me that you can get for $250 new and the cost per page is very economical and the toner is (relatively) reasonable.
Sadly, most of HP's new printers don't print unless you install their non-free driver. This includes their laterjet printers.
HP used to be the most reliable for free software drivers, but not anymore.
Do you have more info on this? Last time I was in the market (which was a couple years ago), HP had far and away the best free driver support. They contribute them upstream instead of making you download separate files and try to install them, and everything "just worked". My multi-function laserjet prints, scans, and duplexes, all over the network, with zero configuration or bother from me.
They have an entire website dedicated to their efforts to support open source, their list of supported printers has any recent printer I can find, and their most recent release notes indicate they're still adding features, printers, and supported distros (notably Ubuntu 13.10 Beta and OpenSuse 13.1 Beta).
They do have a list of printers which are are unsupported due to IP issues but those still seem to be far and away the exception, not the rule.
I have had two over the last twenty years. Still going strong and working great. http://www.ricoh-usa.com/products/models_listing.aspx?cid=25
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For high quality laser color printing you can't go wrong with a Konica Minolta magicolor. I know of many photographic studios that use these to do their proofing work before sending it off to the lab for professional printing. They have a good balance of high quality, cheap consumables (for the level of quality you get), and high volume output. Black output/toner is more expensive then a monochrome laser, but still much cheaper then an inkjet. Very capable and reliable devices. Be sure you size the printer correctly, as a replacement fuser unit is a very costly consumable for these devices.
Years ago HP printers used to be very reliable. Those days are over.
Buy a used commercial color laser (I've had good luck with Xerox Phasers and Lexmark machines) and get a scanner or cheap MFP.
Supplies tend to be far cheaper on slightly older machines as people dump them on eBay when they ugrade, and the printers themselves will usually have absolutely nothing wrong with them. They can also be repaired pretty chealy, since maintenance consumables and parts printers are more common with used machines.
Mostly, look for low page counts when you're getting used machines and you'll be golden.
I'm going to also put in a vote for Brother for laser printing. I have found that they are very durable, they work fine with the inexpensive third party toner, and they are inexpensive to buy. for the last 4 years, I have been using a Brother 7360N. It has been rock solid. It works with Windows/OSX/Linux. My wife was doing a lot of home loan document signings last year, so we went through a period where she was printing 300 to 400 pages a day with no problems. I get my toner at Supplies Outlet.
For color, unless you are printing photographs, I would recommend getting away from Inkjet. Even if you are, you might want to consider avoiding inkjet. Inkjet printers simply fail. They break if you use them too much. They break if you use them too little. They break if you use them just right. And, the ink is some of the most expensive stuff on the planet. Color laser doesn't bleed like inkjets, so you might see a bit more pixalization, but it is way cheaper to use laser, and the printers don't break as easy.
The final piece is the sheet fed scanner. If you are doing nothing but 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper, the Multi-function printers/scanners are fine. If you have odd sized paper, or you have a lot of scanning to do, so laber is more expensive than the scanner, I highly recommend the Fujitsu ScanSnap line of scanners. I scan every single receipt that I get. I used to try scanning them in my Brother MFC-7360n. It worked, but it was massively labor intensive. Long receipts would require cutting and pasting. The scans would either be all cockeyed, or even more labor was needed to line things up. I had to use the flatbed because the receipts would not run through the sheet feeder. I got the Fujitsu ScanSnap s1500 for ~$400 at Costco. It had a tough time convincing myself to spend that much money on a scanner, once I did I found it was well worth it. Scanning that used to take an hour, now took 10 minutes. It would take all different sized reciepts at the same time. It would automatically straighten the image, and it would auto-detect whether the scan needed to be b&w or color. There really is a difference between the scanner that comes in a $200 Multi-Function printer and the canner that costs ~400.
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As an aside, the 1650EN is a GREAT printer.
Just download the PPDs from their website and load them into CUPS/windows/etc and it JUST WORKS. I've never had a printer "just work" on linux before this one. Sure, the non-postscript version is a bit cheaper, but not having to deal with vendor drives is a major plus. You could probably print to this thing from everything from a VAX to Windows 25 whenever that comes out.
Just leave the CD it comes with in the shrinkwrap - generic drivers work fine for postscript, are fully-featured, and won't leave 27 new icons on your desktop and 5 daemons running 24x7.
Been through three HP printers. First one worked pretty well, but wasn't cheap. The second I had to return to the store as there as there was no way to setup the WIFI from Linux without WPS (not supported as being a security threat). Reliability on the most recent one has been very poor - the contacts on the print cartridges seem to fail regularly. Very disappointed in HP. I've had success with a older Brother laser. Nothing recent.
If you want a B&W laser for efficiency go high capacity cartridge and separate drum. Brother machines are fine, but few of them have cartridges over 4000 pages. The real saving comes in when the toner holds 6000 or higher. Canon, Xerox are both fine brands as well. (though dont get the wax based Xerox machines) For inkjet it completely depends on your usage. Epson makes machines with odd features but print great at high resolution and carry small and expensive PPG cartridges. HP has some midgrade photo printers and some very high efficiency machines (Officejet 7500 etc) I dont like Lexmark or Kodak. Features dominate the inkjet models so look for features you need to be sure they will be there. But each model has unique quirks. The Officejet series seems to like to forget they are on a network, Epsons dont have the comprehensive software you might expect. Kodaks like to kill their printheads... Be wary of some high end HP inkjets, they are pretty versions of very low end models with low quality prints and inks. The envy series in particular.
Epson makes a great inkjet, but that ink dries out FAST. Before I bought a laser, I loved them because they worked with any operating system and the ink cartridges were cheaper because they were just that, ink cartridges. They didn't have the print head built in like many other inkjets. However, their ink dries up FAST. It would only take a month of non-use and the ink cartridge would be worthless. After a couple-three replacements, the ink lines would be clogged with dried ink. Going through school, I would have to buy a new printer twice a year before I finally invested in a laser.
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I got a Brother InkJet, and the driver was so terrible, that it's sitting unused. Perhaps their Laser printers are better.
P.S.: Not only was the driver terrible, but I had to jump through seven hoops to even get it to install. On a Debian system. And during the installation I ran across a message saying (paraphrase:)"This deb file is substandard. Please contact the manufacturer for an improved version.", but I'd just downloaded it and there wasn't any other choice.
So I can't recommend Brother InkJets.
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My experience with Brothers is limited to laser MFDs, but with that caveat: Some Brothers support postscript (under the term "BR-Script" because trademark law is hilarious), and those ones are great. Download the .ppd, and boom, you're running -- Just Like It Should Be. Some of them don't, and it's a bloody circus getting their drivers up and running.
The hardware's solid, I've really got no complaints in this regard, about either the castrated or ps-supporting versions. But if the model you're looking at doesn't support "BR-script", run away or you will have cause to tear out your hair.
Their 3100 class printers have been very good to me.
This thing is bad ass, bulletproof, one of the cheaper per page printing costs, does color, is twain compliant, etc. The only problem I have with it is that it won't let you accept faxes to any microsoft server, it has to be a workstation.
That list is a con. Here's an example of a printer which is listed as having "Full" support and being "Recommended" for users of GNU/Linux:
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_professional_p1102.html
"Driver plug-ins are released under a proprietary (non-open) license"
You run "hpsetup -i" and it displays a GPL notice, because the hpsetup program is free software, then it tries to download a proprietary binary blob driver and when you say no thanks, you're left with a useless HP printer that doesn't print.
Maybe HP decided to give up on free software when Bdale Garbee left HP last year. A real pity.
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Inkjets are disposable.
I avoid creating electronic waste, so I don't own a printer.
I print things at work -- probably 2 pages per month, at most. When that's not an option, £0.20 at the local internet café / print shop will take a long, long, long time to reach the cost of even the cheapest printer.
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Is it me or do the local electronic stores (Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, etc.) do not sell this brand?
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One of my local shops has a deal on a Canon inkjet with continuous ink system for a 50% markup over just the printer. Just the first set of cartridges after you finish off the "starter" cartridges (ie almost empty when new) that come with the printer will set you back more than that if you buy genuine cartridges. And refilling cartridges is a hassle - most of the companies offering refill kits play the same stupid games as the printer manufacturers, with cartridge reset tools that contain counters so you have to buy a new one every 5 or so refills.
I can tell you've never tried to make an inkjet printer from scratch. Dispensing fractions of a milliliter needed for high DPI is hard and building the hardware for it is equally hard.
The only DIY feasible printing technology is pen-plotters.
I've seen a number of DIY inkjet printers - e.g. this one - that use ink cartridges from commercial printers. This works because some ink cartridge designs effectively have the print head built into the cartridge. While this still leaves you dependent on the printer manufacturer for the cartridges, you still (theoretically) gain from the fact that your printer won't refuse to print if (say) one colour runs out, or if you refill with off-brand ink, or for some other arbitrary reason - since this logic is generally implemented in the printer rather than in the cartridge.
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Inkjets are probably fine. But the lasers suck.
For color, unless you are printing photographs, I would recommend getting away from Inkjet. Even if you are, you might want to consider avoiding inkjet. Inkjet printers simply fail. They break if you use them too much. They break if you use them too little. They break if you use them just right. And, the ink is some of the most expensive stuff on the planet. Color laser doesn't bleed like inkjets, so you might see a bit more pixalization, but it is way cheaper to use laser, and the printers don't break as easy.
I decided a few years ago that printing photographs is not reason enough to consider an inkjet. Our last two printers have been Canon inkjets with separate ink tanks, and they have printed acceptable quality text for home use with cheap ink. I used to bother with refilling them, until I discovered the dirt-cheap ink available from Amazon. Sometimes the ink is effectively free (or better), as Staples gives a $2/tank credit for recycling empty ink tanks.
To get decent photos, however, requires official inks and good quality photo paper, which makes the per-print price at least or more than a "real" photo print.
Compare the cost of consumables to what Snapfish can do, especially considering the quality. If I can't afford to wait 3-4 days for them to be mailed, I can send a batch of photos to Wal-Mart or Walgreen's, and pick them up in an hour for 15 cents apiece. At prices like those, I am more than willing to let them maintain the printers and buy the paper and ink.
We bought a Lexmark Prospect Pro 205 (Printer, Scanner, Fax, Copier) about 2,5 years ago and it has served us really well. The printhead is not integrated in the ink cartridges and it has four separate ink cartridges, so one doesn't waste half empty colours. It's of course really for SOHO use, but has wifi, which we exclusively use to print from both Ubuntu (mostly) and Windows (occasionally). We scan quite a lot as well.
It has a 5 year warranty and Lexmark support have been great the once or twice we needed it.
The only problem we've had is that Lexmark in South Africa don't support Ubuntu, but in the US full support is available. So we've been using the US site for the Ubuntu drivers. The Linux support is not great, but the printer itself has served us really well.
Ah, thanks for that. It really is a pity, even more so that they go to such great lengths to hide it. Digging around a bit more from your example I found this page which explains in detail which printers require the binary plug-in and what functions it's used for.
I'm going to disagree here, at least if you're in the UK.
I had a Kyocera FS-C5200DN. I have had no end of trouble with it and Kyocera support:
* Defective firmware. If connected to a Linux server, the printer would reject any job and throw a Service Required fault (which turned out to be an assert failure). I was informed by the local Kyocera distributor that there was a firmware update, which I needed to contact Kyocera to get. Their response was initially to deny everything. I asked how to request a service callout under the warranty - I was given a list of Kyocera repair agents. Every single one of them was dedicated to business customers - not a single one of them would do a residential callout. One went as far as claiming their Kyocera repair contract prohibited them from doing so.
* Complete loss of several colours. There's a sensor on the developer unit which tells the printer when the hopper is low on toner. An Archimedian screw type mechanism in the toner cartridge feeds the toner, and a motor in the printer turns that via a gear. When the sensor fails, the printer thinks there's always toner in the dev unit, even when there isn't. Once again I tried to raise a service call - the printer had a month left on the guarantee. Kyocera's response was that the invoice date was irrelevant, they worked from the manufacturer date - which meant in their opinion, my warranty had ended four months prior. Once again I was given a list of service agents, and none would accept a callout. Once again, "the contract prohibits us from doing residential callouts for Kyocera hardware".
* Image registration shifting on every job. The printer needs "calibrating" -- aligning the four toner images against each other. This started shifting on every print job, sometimes every page. I called once more, and was quoted £150 for a service call-out. Nope.
This morning, the network interface card failed completely. The printer has run a total of 57,000 pages in less than five years.
Had Kyocera supported their product, I'd have bought another in a heartbeat. As it stands, I'm not going to touch their products with a barge pole. Their after-sales support sucks -- quite honestly, it seems that once they have your money, they couldn't care less. If you're a business customer they'll suck up beyond belief (they'll suck up even more if you have a support contract), but home-office customers? Forget it.
The only reason I managed to keep this thing running for five years is because I found someone on the FixYourOwnPrinter forum who worked at a Kyocera repair shop; they very kindly emailed me the service manual and firmware update and a few service notes. Every single problem I had is documented in those notes. Sadly the repair procedures involve parts I can't get (Kyocera will only sell parts to authorised repair agents). So the printer's being scrapped and replaced with a Samsung CLP-680ND. At least that's a cheap printer to start with... far easier to eat the cost of the machine if it all goes pear-shaped later on (the Kyocera cost about £650 with carriage and such added on).
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And it's easy to get off-brand replacement toner that's high-quality and cheap, too
We are fond of our Brother HL 4150CDN. Where do you get high-quality, cheap toner?
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Can't really comment on that particular format, but there's decent off-brand TN-360 on Amazon and in copious seedy small ink refill stores.
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I bought a Samsung color laser for $200 three years ago, and the original toner cartridges that came with it lasted for 5 boxes (2500 sheets) of prints.
Fast, excellent image quality, rock solid reliable.
At that price, an ink jet is like throwing money away.
Since when is 10,000 pages considered a lot for a printer?
That's what, just 2 boxes of paper?
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My $50 Brother inkjet uses cheap (~$10 shipped for 7 carts? Thankyouverymuch!) ink, and works like a champion, and does a self-clean every day at 11:00AM (which solves, completely, the "it breaks if you use it too little" problem).
I'd like to say that I'd rather have a laser printer (and indeed, have owned a Laserjet III and a 5N, each with over a million pages printed, and each of which were old enough to drive by the time I retired them), but meh: I just don't print enough stuff to bother with a laser printer anymore.
I used to make maps for driving and print photos and print documentation and....now, I don't do any of that stuff. For maps I have Waze, Google Maps, or Garmin. For photos, I just send them out over teh Intarwebs to Wal-Mart and pick them up with my shopping after their Fuji wet-process photographic printer spits them out.
Documentation doesn't need printed, because unlike a decade ago, I've got multiple ways of viewing a PDF, at least one of which is always with me at all times: At most, I print out a few pages of wiring diagrams just because it's handy to spread them out on a table, or tuck into a clipboard for use when my hands are covered in grime.
Actual business? Meh. I conduct business with email: I haven't licked an envelope in years.
I've used this cheap Brother inkjet for a couple of years, now. I've got about $75 in it including ink and paper and the original cost of the printer. It groks Wifi, the drivers aren't too annoying, and it just works.
It also scans and copies, and if I still had a phone line, it would fax. Huzzah.
My only complaints are that neither the printer nor the scanner does duplexing.
*shrug*
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I have had wonderful results with Brother devices. Even their simple home laser printer is a great design, and the toner refills are not expensive. The shopping mall cartride refillers refill the cartridges for about the same price that I can buy a pair of them at Costco.
My duplex printer has never jammed. And has high density.
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I know, everyone hates Dell but I've had a 3010CN color laser for years, perhaps five or more, printed 8800 sheets and it's still chugging along. Toner is $45, much less than for the Brother or Samsung mono printers I got for the kid's uni days, and last at least 2,000 sheets. The thing has Ethernet, weighs a ton but is always there when I need it. Never printed much in color and won't pay the price for the replacement color toner either but it's there if I need it. By the way, the first toner lasted for 3300 sheets, must have been extra capacity.