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Google Testing Banner Ads On Select Search Results

cagraham writes "Google promised in 2005 to never "ever" put banner ads on their search results, but that appears to be changing. The company confirmed to SearchEngineLand that it is running a "small experiment" involving large-scale banners on searches for Southwest Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, and Crate&Barrel, among others. The ads are being shown in less than 5% of searches, and only in the US, for now. Interestingly enough, the Google exec who wrote the no banner ads promise was Marissa Mayer, now CEO of Yahoo."

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  1. RIP Google, 2014? by xtal · · Score: 4, Informative

    On the upside, banner ads will be pretty easy to target to make never appear with plugins.

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    1. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by pmontra · · Score: 5, Informative

      It seems there are many Geeks around. Adblock usage was 9.2% overall in US and Europe in 2012. See this PDF link for details. Well, maybe there aren't so many geeks but they install Adblock on the computers of friends.

    2. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by vlueboy · · Score: 2

      bzzzt! There is *no* upside : )

      It's not like some the old ads will go away. These new ads are coming in *addition* to them, so we'll need new and untested heuristics and an increasing number of processing cycles.
      This does not even address the fact that some of us use browsers that are already too slow because they do not support adblock, or any other plugins. Expecially on mobile. *Sigh*

      Turning javascript off as an ad-fighting measure makes the web useless on android. Try it on slashdot sometime.

    3. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Installation only occurs once. Usage is ongoing.

      Once I got into the habit of installing AdBlock on my systems, I just set it up as part of the normal installation routine for my family's and friends' computers. Most of them don't even know that the web is a festering morass of irritation. I've cured it for them.

      Next up, I've now installed system-wide AdBlock on my Android phone. It's not quite ready for non-geeks yet, but it's close. Google's actively fighting it, but fuck 'em.

    4. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I install it on every single computer I touch. Adblock also reduces virus infection vectors drastically as there are a lot of ad's that are virus or malware vectors.

      I know I can account for over 100 installs of adblock plus on people's computers.

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    5. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I remember correctly. I started using Google because it didn't have banner ads...because it was clean and gave good results. In that order.

    6. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given the amount of effort that Microsoft puts into killing competitors, and the hostility between Apple and Google, I'm surprised that IE and Safari don't come with ad blocking out of the box. Making sure IE users never saw Google ads would would hurt Google's revenues a lot more than anything else Microsoft has done.

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    7. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft also has its own ad server business. They sell a lot of ads too, although not so many as Google. They cannot block only competitors' ads because they'd need to pay a huge fine for not playing fair. That's so simple.

    8. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by melikamp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No one should use AdblockPlus over Adblock Edge or TrueBlockor Adblock Lite or any other fork that removed malicious features introduced in version 2.0. If you haven't heard, Palant sold out to advertizers (the ironing is delicious), and has now "allow acceptable ads" option enabled by default, where "acceptable" likely means that Palant got paid. Since that's his game now, I would only use AdblockPlus if I wanted to be get another update with a malicious payload.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_plus#Advert_filtering_and_.22acceptable.22_ads

    9. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Microsoft's ad business is a tiny fraction of their total income though. They could easily afford to lose it. Google couldn't.

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    10. Re:RIP Google, 2014? by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just uncheck the "allow some non-intrusive advertising" checkbox. If you know how to get adblock, you know how to uncheck the damn box that shows at the first page of the options menu.

  2. Do No Evil by mfh · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not evil to have a banner ad. Right, shareholders?

    Zombies nod.

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  3. What if nobody bought stuff from those companies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could we fix this? What if nobody bought stuff from the companies that advertised on the banners? I can dream, can't I...

  4. when you become a monopoly you can relax by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and start being evil, or at least really really annoying.

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    1. Re:when you become a monopoly you can relax by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Informative

      So putting up an advertisement on a free service is 'evil' now? Google makes their money by advertising. They provide a free service for you and pay for it by selling advertising space to others.

    2. Re:when you become a monopoly you can relax by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Informative

      its NOT a free service; they make money off of selling YOU.

      what part of that don't you understand??

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  5. Go ahead. by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Go ahead, add the banner ads.

    I already block google analytics at my firewall. I'll just block these with something.

    Google just seems to constantly get worse over time.

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    1. Re:Go ahead. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is what happens at any company when the people that started it are no longer in charge. All companies will degenerate into a moneygrubbing greed machine only interested in the next quarter profits without the person that gave it birth at the wheel.

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    2. Re:Go ahead. by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      This is what happens at any company when the people that started it are no longer in charge.

      I've seen it happen at companies where the people who started it are still in charge.

      So, we can amend what you just said to: All companies will degenerate into a moneygrubbing greed machine only interested in the next quarter profits

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    3. Re:Go ahead. by ThatAblaze · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Take a closer look at craigslist. They killed the greed machine in classified ads, and consistently keep it dead.

      It is possible to be a company and not be greedy, just not for Google any longer.

  6. Re:That doesn't make any sense by frinkster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The linked article has a follow-on FAQ that you can click over to. That answers the question.

    It's protection money. If Southwest Airlines buys the ad, Google won't put other advertising up. If they don't, any other advertiser is welcome to pay Google money to put up a text ad above the search result.

  7. Re:That doesn't make any sense by alostpacket · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To be sure you dont visit Expidia or Orbitz or some such. At least that's what I assume the reasoning is.

    Still that banner is hugely obnoxious looking (IMHO). This is a bad move by Google.

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  8. Disappointing by slasho81 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought Google had at least 10 more good years before the corporate culture take over completely.

    1. Re:Disappointing by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's been a lousy search engine for the last few years ('why give them the five results they asked for when we can give them five million results they didn't?'), so this is only just step down into the steaming pit of suck.

  9. In other words: by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Dear Human Products,

    Google will be placing large, targeted ads across your search results.
    Thank you for your personal information.

    Do Know Evil,
    Google

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  10. Not really evil by twocows · · Score: 2

    Google's business has always been ads. I really don't see how static banner ads are any more evil than text ads, especially when they're just running them on search results. The only way it's really any worse is that it's mildly more distracting and takes up a trivially larger amount of bandwidth. There are other competitors who don't do this if it bothers you, or you can just Adblock them. I'd be more concerned with the targeting they're probably doing over this because that's something that's arguably evil. Now if they started allowing Flash ads or ads with movement, that would bother me, sure.

    1. Re:Not really evil by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google's business has always been ads. I really don't see how sponsored links embedded in results are any more evil than text ads, especially when they're just running them on search results

      Google's business has always been ads. I really don't see how animated banner ads are any more evil than static banner ads, especially when they're just running them on search results

      Google's business has always been ads. I really don't see how flash ads are any more evil than animated banner ads, especially when they're just running them on search results

    2. Re:Not really evil by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      The slippery slope rarely ends in genocide.

      It's important to note that Google's goal isn't to be a search engine, directing you to pages that might have the content that you're searching for, but to be an ANSWER engine, giving you the result of your query.

      If you type "southwest airlines" without "fourth quarter earnings" or "lost my luggage" into Google, they should pretty much show you Southwest Airlines' site and options on that site immediately. Look at the picture from the article:

      http://searchengineland.com/figz/wp-content/seloads/2013/10/google-full-page-sponsored-image-ad.jpg

      That's pretty much the ANSWER to typing "Southwest Airlines" in the combo box -- which is where everyone's being taught to "just type whatever they want" and end up in the right place.

      It's silly for Google not to monetize this if they can -- because they're still going to give the answer.

      If you don't believe Google's "search" engine isn't shifting to an answer engine, try some searches like "new york to california by car" or "alfonso cuaron" and see if a good answer to your query doesn't just appear.

      Yes, they want our metadata.
      Yes, they want to see ads.

      These "banners" are the answer to our queries.

      Bring them on.

    3. Re:Not really evil by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Did that two years ago, when I found qrobe (who then started doing the embedding thing, sending me to DDG) :)

    4. Re:Not really evil by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Now if they started allowing Flash ads or ads with movement, that would bother me,

      I guess someone would respond to that by saying,

      "I really don't see how animated banner ads are any more evil than text ads, especailly when they're just runing them on search results. The only way it's really any worse is that it's mildly more distracting and takes up a trivially larger amount of bandwidth...."

      Your own argument justifying them seems to apply here. If it was good enough to justify banner ads, why does it fail to justify animated banner ads? (Especially if banner ads are considered a fait accompli and this is just the next step...)

      The only way it's really any worse is that it's mildly more distracting

      The reason we put up with google's text based ads is precisely that they text based. We are already looking for text results, so a text ad is *minimally* distracting.

      A picture is substantially more distracting than the text result we are looking for. We generally process pictures before text. Therefore the picture ads are much more distracting. It's that simple.

      There are other competitors who don't do this if it bothers you, or you can just Adblock them.

      I could. It would be nice if I didn't have to. So expressing displeasure is one way to get the message across. Who knows, if this becomes pervasive, maybe I'll switch to another search engine. Only reason I'm not using duck duck go or bing is i got attached to google when it was minimalist ... the further it gets from that, the more motivated i am to just switch entirely.

  11. OK with me by nbauman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd rather have banner ads than have 3 or 4 ads at the top that are almost indistinguishable from the search results.

    1. Re:OK with me by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd rather have banner ads than have 3 or 4 ads at the top that are almost indistinguishable from the search results.

      That's a good point.

      We know they have to advertise - that's how we get this awesome free search service. At least an ad that is plainly an ad is pretty easy to ignore.

  12. youtube ads by ljw1004 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the subject of aggressive advertising...

    It feels like YouTube ads have become much more common and obnoxious in the past few years. Has anyone else noticed this? I used to be content to click on a YouTube link but now each time I do a cost-benefit calculation -- is it really worth sitting through 30secs of irritating car ads or whatever just to see this little funny clip of two kittens and a tortoise? (or other material :) ).

    Usually for me, the answer is now "no".

    1. Re:youtube ads by T-Bucket · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I haven't seen a youtube ad, EVER. Why are you not using adblock?!

    2. Re:youtube ads by addie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The reason is that a number of YouTubers are starting to actually make a career out of making videos. I consume the majority of my shows on YouTube now, rather than TV or traditional media. Many channels have multiple updates per week.

      Am I willing to sit through 30 seconds of advertising (or more likely 5 seconds before being allowed to skip) in order to get such content, and promote independent videographers? Yes. I am.

      Shows worth watching:
      - Veritasium, 2
      - SciShow
      - VSauce, 2, 3
      - Nerd3
      - MinutePhysics
      - Numberphile, Computerphile, Sixty Symbols, etc

  13. Some other things make me wonder... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was just in a google hangout using it as a video conference. During that conference call a particular service was mentioned. I had never heard of the service before, haven't searched for it, and yet mysteriously I'm seeing ads for it pop up all over the place undoubtedly served up by Google.

    Makes me wonder....

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  14. Ad limiting by Animats · · Score: 2

    I'm the author of Ad Limiter, which blocks most ads in search results from Google and Bing. By default, it lets just one ad display, the best one based on our site legitimacy ratings.

    So this is something else to identify, rate and block.

    (I'm surprised that Google is getting into banners. Targeted search ads are much more valuable than banners. Banner ad click-through rates are so low as to barely be measurable.)

    1. Re:Ad limiting by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Please add a feature to let me change the background of all AD's on google so they are obvious to older people. I have some older clients that if I could get a plugin to make the google search ad background BRIGHT RED it will help them see they are not actual search results.

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  15. Another reason to try DuckDuckGo by gQuigs · · Score: 2

    https://duckduckgo.com/

    See how their ads work here: https://dukgo.com/help/en_US/company/advertising-and-affiliates
    (To summarize, they are usually fine - usually 0-1 clearly marked sponsored results per page)

  16. Non-Saavy Users by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For many people, they simply don't understand the difference between putting a website address in the address bar and in Google's search. This leads to competitors buying ad space on the search results, hoping you'll also check out their brand.

    This is a major problem with non-technical users trying to find the phone number for technical support and finding shady service companies pushing yearlong contracts. Try any AV brand + support or phone, and you'll see many other companies offering "Support for X" and making a killing.

  17. Re:What if nobody bought stuff from those companie by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Could we fix this? "

    Yes, start install adblock plus on every single computer within your reach. Only you can stop web advertising.

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  18. Ad marking by Animats · · Score: 2

    Please add a feature to let me change the background of all AD's on google so they are obvious to older people.

    Now that's an interesting idea. We dim out lower-rated search results slightly, but it's so subtle visually that few people notice. We certainly could do something to make it easier to identify ads.

    1. Re:Ad marking by Animats · · Score: 2

      Time to resurrect the blinky tag?

      Maybe time to resurrect the pink/tan background Google used to put on ads. Over time, the ad background became lighter and lighter. At one time, Google was under a Federal Trade Commission ruling requiring them to clearly distinguish ads from content. Google seems to have escaped from that.

      It's getting harder to tell content from ads. Google Shopping is an interesting case. Everything on Google Shopping is a paid ad now. Google Shopping used to be a price search engine, but in 2012, it became strictly pay to play. For a while after the transition, our Ad Limiter was trimming down Google Shopping pages to one entry, because the links there are ad links. That was overkill - you got a nearly blank page with one result. So we backed off on that. Google Shopping also has explicit ads on top of the search results, which are ads too. Google is overdoing it there.

      Ad recognition is an interesting problem. We do it by looking at where links go. Then we analyze the page layout in the add-on to find the boundaries of the ad. This is quite different from most screen-scrapers, which rely on specific named CSS tags. So we don't have to update our add-on very often, and it recognizes most new kinds of ads automatically.

      AdBlock Plus has a big file of regular expressions for recognizing ads, which are frantically updated as sites change their HTML and CSS. Advertisers can pay to not have your ad blocked by AdBlock Plus. That's the problem with an add-on that's high-maintenance. Somebody has to pay for the maintenance.

  19. Well that is it really. Ads ain't evil by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ads ain't evil, they just really annoy me. And Google should know this. What is top plugin for their own browser? What is the main reason people root android? Right, ad blockers. They should know people HATE ads. Hate them with a passion that causes them to foam at the mouth at the slightest exposure.

    And frankly the ad-blockers I have installed work well enough. So far the battle between advertisers and humanity is going fully in favor of humanity.

    Until recently google seemed to accept that a portion of their users had the skills and desire to block all ads and let them get away with in exchange for market share. They were not going to be able to push ads on these people but at least they used their services, enabling them to grow as a company and then sell ads to those that don't mind them. (Just as slashdot allows contributors to hide ads).

    That changed, ad blockers are banned from the android store. So I use firefox mobile and install a plugin for that browser and don't run programs that use ads. And waiting for a moment to root my new phone.

    They are not going to push ads on me but I am perfectly happy to instruct everyone around me how to block them. Fight me google and you will find millions of nerds telling all their friends how to block them. You want to fight us? We made you what you are, we can kill you just as easily as we killed altavista. Reduce you as Yahoo has been reduced. Do you want to join the ranks of AOL?

    Then keep your ads to those that don't mind them.

    You would think that a company that offers their own phone to offer customers a clean phone without vendor or phone company malware would understand this. It seems sales has overtaken google as well.

    Look at what happened to other companies were the sales guy was not killed when he utters the words "I got an idea". Your making billions google, be happy with it. Because there is no way in hell I am going to watch your ads. Ever. I and countless other rage filled nerds will see you dead and buried first. We did it before and unlike MS, we can do it again.

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    1. Re:Well that is it really. Ads ain't evil by StripedCow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Talking about nerds, I'm still wondering what kind of nerd actually wants to work for Google.

      There is little glory in writing advertisement software, and data-mining people's behavior.
      I guess they have a company culture that makes them believe otherwise.

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  20. Door is open... by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

    Now someone else can come along and replace Google, they have a great pitch. "No banner ads!"