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Jeffrey Zients Appointed To Fix Healthcare.gov

An anonymous reader writes with news that the Obama administration has appointed Jeffrey Zients to lead the effort to revamp Healthcare.gov after its trouble rollout earlier this month. Zients said, "By the end of November, healthcare.gov will work smoothly for the vast majority of users." Obama created a position for Zients within the government in 2009, when he was made the OMB's Chief Performance Officer. The purpose of his position was to analyze and streamline the government's budget concerns. "Healthcare.gov covers people in the 36 states that declined to run their own health-insurance exchanges. About 700,000 applications have been begun nationwide, and half of them have come in through the website. The White House aims to have 7M uninsured Americans covered by the scheme by the end of March." Zients's appointment came after a contentious House Committee hearing about the healthcare website, in which many were blamed and few took responsibility. The government also said that contractor Quality Software Services Inc., a subsidiary of UnitedHealth group, would "oversee the entire operation" of Healthcare.gov. QSSI has already done work on the website, building the pipeline that transfers data between the insurance exchanges and the federal agencies.

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  1. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2

    From the soaring triumph of the Apollo Project, to the sub-Hades goat-ropery Healthcare.gov in just half a century.
    I, for one, am willing to confess that the U.S. won the Cold War, and is losing the sequel.

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  2. End of November by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds like a lot of mythical man-months to me.

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    1. Re:End of November by ark1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He didn't mentioned which year.

    2. Re:End of November by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not really. It sounds like a position that should have been filled from the beginning is just now getting filled.

      Until now, the Medicare agency, led by Marilyn B. Tavenner, was the quarterback, or system integrator, trying to coordinate the work of dozens of contractors.

      I'm sure Medicare has things to do other than deal with this mess that wasn't even being written until spring. How they got to that point is a discussion we already had, I'm just pointing out that Medicare is probably not the best choice for driving the technology/solution angle here.

      The mythical man month does not directly cover the case of being under-manned until a month after release, then bringing staffing up to where it should be. And certainly if that is the entirety of your contribution, I have to assume you mean the most recognized portions of the concept.

      More on point is the difficulty of debugging a live system and making changes that don't cascade to cause more problems, which I don't see happening by the end of November. But an unrealistic schedule, again, is not the mythical man month.

  3. It's NOT going to happen by mattb47 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are more lines of code in Healthcare.gov (500m!) than Google Chrome, the Linux kernel, XP, Facebook, Mac OS, and the Debian 5 packages combined:

    http://www.alexmarchant.com/blog/2013/10/22/healthcare-dot-gov-lines-of-code-comparison.html

    Windows 8 supposed has 80m lines of code:
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/23/technology/obamacare-website-fix/

    It would take a miracle of computing programming and program management that no governmental program has ever accomplished to get this epic cluster f*ck fixed in 2-3 months.

    If they actually want it to work, it should be taken out behind the shed, shot in the head, hung, drawn, quartered, burned, and the ashes scattered to the four winds. And then everyone starts over. And then take 2 years (minimum) to recode it again with an almost entirely new team. But that's not going to happen. They're going to try and band-aid it, and it won't work.

    So things are going to get interesting. It's unfixable in a politically acceptable way for the Democrats and the Obama administration.

    1. Re:It's NOT going to happen by fche · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They aren't customers if they're forced to buy.

    2. Re:It's NOT going to happen by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are more lines of code in Healthcare.gov (500m!) than Google Chrome, the Linux kernel, XP, Facebook, Mac OS, and the Debian 5 packages combined:

      http://www.alexmarchant.com/blog/2013/10/22/healthcare-dot-gov-lines-of-code-comparison.html

      Alexmarchant cites a NYT article in which the author wrote:
      "According to one specialist, the Web site contains about 500 million lines of software code. By comparison, a large bank’s computer system is typically about one-fifth that size."

      I, for one, find this claim difficult to believe, especially when the actual source cited is "one specialist" who remains nameless.

    3. Re:It's NOT going to happen by hsthompson69 · · Score: 2

      I suppose at that point, I'll be busy enjoying having a harem of all the most famous starlets of the past 200 years, and taking occasional trips in my time machine for fun around the early Babylonian period.

      What will you do if God comes down from heaven in 5 weeks, and personally offers you a latte?

    4. Re:It's NOT going to happen by onkelonkel · · Score: 2

      Tell Him - No Foam please.

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    5. Re:It's NOT going to happen by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      It's hard to say. It is pretty typical for the government to create a problem, and then someone proposes a big new government program to fix the problem that wouldn't exist if not for the government. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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    6. Re:It's NOT going to happen by mattb47 · · Score: 2

      No.... I like Ann Coulter, but she loves hyperbole. I'm going to apply Occam's razor here and go with the much more likely explanation: utter incompetence and managerial indifference. Yes, Obama and friends want to control a large swath of the US economy, but couldn't rip themselves out of a wet paper bag. (Although they're really, really good at running a campaign. Especially if the IRS can slap down opposing groups and prevent them from raising money...) Obama's utter lack of any management experience prior to the Presidency is completely telling.

      Thank you, America for your well though out electoral choices!

    7. Re:It's NOT going to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      more than HALF of the country does not have health insurance,

      I really hate to do this, because it always sounds dorky, but I'd like to know where you're getting that figure. Wikipedia says around 16%, which is much less than a half (and more like the remainder past a standard deviation). The NY Times gives about the same figure. Medicare covers another 16% or so, which is the other past-one-standard-deviation end of the curve, and the big lump in the middle (around 64%) has private insurance. If adults have a 16% non-insurance rate, children have an even lower rate of non-insurance, under 10%.

      I'd contend that there is no crisis of the uninsured in America, but rather a demographic crisis, in which the elderly are living much longer (in no small part thanks to increasingly expensive medical care) and the younger generation is smaller, leading to a social affordability crisis for old age: the institutions set up to pay for old age (pensions, social security, medicare, private insurance) can't handle the output (payment) load with so little input. This is worsened by a zero-interest-rate environment that deprives those institutions of interest from bonds and a hyper-inflationary medical price environment (far above normal inflation rates and on par only with education prices). ACA seeks to prop up the support for a generation that will live far longer than their parents, at the expense of their children (who are being forced to sign up for insurance).

      You're right that the insurance companies should shoulder some blame for the ACA; straight-up nationalization of the health-care industry would have been cheaper and more efficient in the long run than this bastardized not-quite-capitalist-but-not-quite-socialist hybrid, and the less southerly nations of Europe have made socialized medicine work well. But demographics are the elephant in the room, and the bankruptcies of municipalities by pension/healthcare costs is that elephant blowing his horn.

      Something similar will have to happen with social security (and public pension plans too); it'll need some sort of prop before the decade is out, because it was designed with a retirement age higher than the mean life expectancy in the 30's but much lower than today's. Expect to see the retirement age raised and social security withholdings increased in line with European austerity programs. Or, confiscate private pension funds and make them part of social security (Poland just down that path).

    8. Re:It's NOT going to happen by MichaelPenne · · Score: 2
      Especially because he said 'the website'. Imagine counting every line of HTML in wikipedia as a 'line of code'.

      Things get pretty big pretty fast when you do it that way.

    9. Re:It's NOT going to happen by svendog · · Score: 2

      They didn't spend $600m on the website. That figure comes from an open service contract with CGI that predates the ACA by a considerable amount of time. The amount of the contract spent on developing the healthcare.gov site is estimated to be between $70m - $125m; still not cheap, but definitely not on the order of half a billion dollars.

  4. What you're missing... by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Zients said, "By the end of November, healthcare.gov will work smoothly for the vast majority of users."

    Yeah,November of which year?

    1. Re:What you're missing... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      November of last year. Jeffry and Captain Kirk use the slingshot effect to send the Enterprise back in time to rework the website with an M-5 multitronic unit.

    2. Re:What you're missing... by trout007 · · Score: 2

      I used that in a meeting once when management asked how we can get the project finished by the arbitrary deadline. I said we could build a time machine. The great part is that it doesn't matter when we finish that project because all of the other ones will be on time.

      That reminds me of a design review I was in. The "safety" engineer asked me what the backup was if a primary structure failed. I said it's a primary structure it's designed not to fail. They responded "What if it magically fails?". I said "We roll for damages".

      I don't get invited to meetings often.

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  5. This will only fix the shiny object by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    At some point they will have spent enough time and money to fix the nice shiny bauble of a web site..... and they will trumpet their success...... but this will be used to distract from the fact that they will NOT undo:

    1. The fact that hundreds of thousands of people have already been thrown off their insurance (so much for "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance, PERIOD." - Barack Obama).

    2. The fact that millions will have lost their doctors both by losing their insurance and also by having the new plans exercise very tight controls on their "providers" (so much for "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, PERIOD" - Barack Obama).

    3. Nor will it fix the most-basic contradictions of the scheme which always meant it was unworkable: [1] it's "insurance" but you can wait to buy-in until you have had the failure it "insures" against (the pre-existing condition clause; it's like only placing your bet in Vegas after you win) and [2] it requires all the young-and-healthy to buy policies at high prices with high deductibles and high co-pays (in other words, policies they will get nothing from) in order to function but it lets all the young people stay on their parents' policies until age 26 in order to not piss-off Obama's young supporters.

    The lesson here: No amount of IT (no matter the quality or expense) can make-up-for, or sufficiently hide from intelligent users, serious flaws in the underlying policies, business principles, economics, claims of the sales force and marketing dept, etc. But a bad launch of a shiny bauble can have a serious impact on reputation and imply incompetence. This lesson applies to business, non-profits, and governments alike.

    Oh, and there's another lesson here for the young urban hipsters: The internet is not universally available, and many people do not even have/care to use it. My personal favorite anecdote thus far was from the farmer being helped to sign-up who responded to the navigator with "what's an e-mail address?" In the real world where systems are constructed to serve everyone equally, there must be good non-internet options that work - people who do not get this need to unplug for a month and get out into the real-world where this big bright thing called "the sun" rises and sets every day, something called "the wind" blows, people swim, fish, ski, fix fences, ride horses/motorcycles/etc, turn wrenches, use saws, dig holes, play with their kids, milk the cows, etc.

    1. Re:This will only fix the shiny object by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      , one would expect ObamaCare's poll numbers to be dropping. They aren't.

      This is a fascinating point. His approval rating is actually increasing. Maybe most people aren't aware of how bad the situation i yet.

      My best guess on Obama's number is pretty simple:
      People don't actually care about ObamaCare that much. It's a change to health insurance, which worries them, and Republicans they trust just enough to give 48% of their votes have been bitching about it for years, but it hasn't actually hurt them (or anyone they know) yet.

      OTOH those silly Republicans just shutdown the government to stop it, which did hurt them. According Matty Yglesias a lot of people he met blamed the websites failure on the shutdown, which isn't true but makes sense in a weird sort of way. The GOP shutdown the government on pretty much the exact day the website failed to launch claiming that the program the website represents was the reason they were shutting the government down. I can see how a reasonable person, paying a normal amount of attention to politics, would reach that conclusion.

      If this website, or a workaround, doesn't work soon Obama's gonna lose in the polls. Probably not much. Dems will mostly blame the failure of the website on a GOP refusal to support the law, in this case a) by forcing the national exchange to exist by refusing to set up the state-level exchanges they were supposed to set up, and b) by funding a national-website that's supposed to serve 15 million customers in tqo months in an ultra-secure way with $100-$300 million a year. But he'll start to lose even the most fanatical if he can't report on major progress come Nov. 1.

      I suspect he'll have something to report. As I mentioned there are multiple state-level exchanges already working. Some of them are for pretty big states like Cali. So in theory all this ZIents guy has to do is get permission to use Cali's software on the hardware he's already got, and then get it configured. I doubt he can pull that shit off in 5 weeks, but I also doubt it will take three months.

    2. Re:This will only fix the shiny object by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      Gerrymandering doesn't help Dems, but it's only part part of the problem. Much of the problem is that Dems live in areas that vote Obama at ridiculous rates, whereas Republicans tend to live in areas that vote GOP at high rates (but not overwhelming rates). In gerrymandering terms Dems tend to pack themselves into highly Democratic districts, which means that they have a lot of wasted votes in their urban core, whereas strongly conservative rural districts waste just enough votes that Dems shouldn;t bother campaigning there.

      Here's a made-up example that shows how the math works:
      There's a state with 2.25 million people. 750k live in the big city, 1.5 million live in rural areas. That's worth three Congressional districts. It's a D+10 state, which means it usually gives 55% of it's vote to the Democrats. That means there's 1.65 districts worth of Democrats in the state.The natural district lines are one for the Big city, and then cut the rurals in half.

      But Big Cities are very, very Democratic. This one votes 80% Democratic. This means that there's only .85 districts worth of Democratic voters to spread out among the two rural districts, which means in a strong Democratic state two of the three Congressman are Republicans who always get 57.5%. Basically the only way to get a state Congressional delegation that represents the will of the people of the state (ie: one Dem district, one district leaning Dem, and a GOP district) would be to gerrymander the big city in half. But in most states that would technically be against the rules.

      You can fiddle with the numbers some, but as long as the truly big cities vote more strongly Dem then vast amounts of GOP real estate vote GOP the GOP is gonna have an edge in House districts.

      As for political environment, I meant exactly that. A big part of the GOP's problem was that nobody was particularly unhappy with Obama, or worked up about ObamaCare. o Democrats, not even the ones who ran on an anti-Obama platform (ie: Manchin) were biting. The GOP were being major pains in the ass, and the mushy middle didn't see a good reason for them to be major pains in the ass.

      In mid-January if we don't have 7-8 million people signed up on the exchange ObamaCare could look like a total disaster. The GOP could look like saviors for a) getting that annoying website news off our damn screens and b) having a potential solution to the website problem. Moreover in January if the problems aren't fixed Manchin/Landriue/etc. will be under intense pressure to throw Obama under the bus. The GOP will need six Dems to force Obama to veto a plan that solves the debt/budget problems while gutting ObamaCare, and under those circumstances they could get it. Especially if they do a brilliant thing and include some bribes like immigration reform.

      OTOH the Exchange could be fixed. Or some new thing (like that Syria mess from August) could blow it off our TV screens. Maybe by January the media gets bored of blaming Obama, and starts blaming the various Governors who chose to give Obama the job of setting up their state Exchange. California and New York, for example, are doing fine.

  6. It may all be for naught by Tiger4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good luck to Zients. He's a good guy and I don't doubt the code can be repaired with enough effort. A lot of effort, maybe, but it can be done.

    But it might not matter. The Los Angeles Times had a story about how the real code running the show (the legalese in the ACA law) may have a fatal flaw in it. The federal government may not be able to grant subsidies to low income people in the states that did not set up their own exchanges. The law specifically says the states must do it in order for the money to flow. So 36 of the 50 may not be able to get the money. But they are still subject to the penalty for not signing up. This means the people least able to afford insurance get hammered. And since they are treated differently than people in the other 14 states that do have exchanges, you can bet an Equal Protection lawsuit will be quick in coming.

    Federal judge is due to issue the initial ruling soon.

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    1. Re:It may all be for naught by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 2

      And since they are treated differently than people in the other 14 states that do have exchanges, you can bet an Equal Protection lawsuit will be quick in coming.

      Here is the Equal Protection Clause:

      All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      Note that the boundary of the clause is the State. Different states have different laws all the time. Massachusetts has had statewide healthcare for a long time, and Vermont passed a single-payer healthcare. Oregon has vote-by-mail. Minnesota abolished the death penalty while it remains in the majority of states. Some states have legalized marijuana, while in Pennsylvania you can only buy wine and spirits from state owned shops. Taxes are different, environmental laws are different, etc.

      Statehood wouldn't mean much if states weren't allowed to have different laws.

  7. Calling it a thcheme by tepples · · Score: 2

    In reality, it is also delivering a subjective opinion about the plan by calling it a scheme.

    Unless Zients's plan is to sprinkle parentheses liberally on the project.

  8. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Half of the people in the federal government are actively trying to sabotage the ACA.

    Is that the half that wants to repeal it or the half that voted for it without knowing what was in the bill?

  9. Re:Apollo 1 by Richy_T · · Score: 2

    It's early days yet.

  10. Nightmare by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Informative

    After doing software development in the healthcare field for over a decade, I finally made the wise decision to never work in that industry again. Government is even worse, because the rules the software have to follow change on the whim of elections and the rug is constantly being pulled out from under you. Now this mess? Well it's healthcare taken to the bureaucratic power (h^b). Sounds like a good way to shave 10 years off your life in stress.

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    1. Re:Nightmare by localman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So here's a serious question... why can so many other countries do it well? They combine healthcare and government and it's fine. So is the US functionally retarded? I don't think we are, but if this is really the undoable task that half this thread implies, what's wrong with us?

  11. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It was debated for 8 months.

    What was debated and what was in the final draft are two different things.

    Everyone knew what was in it, regardless of what Rush Limbaugh told you.

    Lame attempt at character assignation, you've lost the debate. I'm neither a Republican nor a Limbaugh listener. I am however someone who was paying attention during the debate and drafting of the ACA, it was quite the bipartisan cluster**k.

  12. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by satch89450 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Everyone knew what was in it, regardless of what Rush Limbaugh told you." Strange, what I recall during the run-up to the passing of this piece of art was the Democratic Speaker of the House saying "We need to pass it to find out what's in it." And we are finding out.

  13. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by NicBenjamin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The thing you have to keep in mind about the US Health System is that it's a series of kludges. Active Federal employees on the civilian side use a version of the Dutch system. There's a bunch of Federally owned hospitals (aka: the British system) for military retirees. To insure retirees in the 60s we stole Canada's system, even keeping the name "Medicare," and simply added the words "over 65" to the bill. Which means we have three entire countries worth of health regulations simply for retirees and Federal employees. Most people are insured by their employers , which is a fourth country worth of regulations. Roughly 10% of the country buys on the individual market, which is regulated at the state-level by 50 different regulators, for a fifth country. Medicaid for the poor is a federal/state mixture, which makes it sixth. The uninsured pay their bills a variety of ways, from charity care to sticker price. So we don't really have a health system, we have seven health payment systems.

    If we were Canada or the UK, and we didn't have significant Checks and Balances in the policy-making arms of the government, we could do what any smart engineer would do in this situation and start a massive project to replace these seven systems with one system. But we aren't that country. Every American is convinced that his health insurance is great, therefore he will simply not believe your new system will be better for him, therefore he will bitch at his Senator if you try to (for example) let poor people formerly on Medicaid visit his VA Hospital. And getting 51 Senators (or 50 and the VP), and 218 House members to agree to do anything like that has proven to be damn near impossible. You can get them to agree to pour money into one section of the system or another, but they don't change people's health care very often.

    So what Obama did was take the least popular one of those systems (the uninsured), and send half of them to Medicaid and half to the Individual Market in a manner reminiscent of the Dutch. He changed the individual market so it is more affordable. In other words the Affordable Care Act had to have the same amount of regulations in it as the entirety of Dutch law relating to Dutch health insurance. Since it kept five of the other six system it also had to include a lot of language/code to insure compatibility with those systems. For example a student whose dad (with custody) is on Medicare, Step-mom is eligible for insurance through her job and the VA, and Mom-mom (no custody) has a policy on the Exchange. Is the kid eligible for the Exchange policy, the VA policy, or does stepmom have to switch over to her job's insurance?

    It possible that in China the technocrats who run the Communist party could all have learned a proposal this complicated in a year or so's debate without majorly neglecting their other duties. But we aren't China. We aren't led by nameless suits whose entire role is to exude policy confidence. We are led by us. And it turns out we aren't smart enough to learn a half-dozen slightly different versions of the Dutch system in eight months. Frankly I don't blame us.

    What we are smart enough to do is learn the outlines of the ideas, to a surprisingly high level of detail in many areas; and then muddle through the rest the best we can. This is what happens in a democracy with Checks and Balances, entrenched interests (ie: people calling their Congressman in panic when their insurance changes), and an independent legislature whenever anyone tries to fix any major problem.

  14. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by mattb47 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was ***NOTHING*** bipartisan about the Affordable Care Act. It was passed without a single Republican vote and lots of dirty parliamentary tricks.

    The Democrats and the Obama administration own this.

  15. Re:Raft of failures by svendog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Michelle Malkin is a conservative blogger and TV "personality" with a bachelors degree in English, while Paul Krugman is a nobel laureate in Economics. While both may have their biases, I would most certainly give the analyses put forth by the latter infinitely more weight than those of the former.

  16. Re:A management wonk all the way by riverat1 · · Score: 2

    I'd just like to point out that Obama has presented all the required proposed budgets to Congress. Of course the Presidents budget is just a wish list and it's up to Congress to actually develop and pass one.

  17. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are two things I want to point out. First, you are claiming that the Democrats passed the ACA even though they knew what a mess it was. Second, there is indeed a "death panel" in the ACA. Oh, it is not called that. It is called the Independent Payment Advisory Board, but it gets to decide what care will be paid for and what care won't be paid for, regardless of what your doctor may think is the best treatment for you. That means that it will decide that lifesaving care will not be paid for some people because of their age, or other health issues, or some other, as yet undetermined, criteria.

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  18. Re:Surprising by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

    Actually, the "advise and consent" provision is for every government job that the Constitution does not specifically specify how it is assigned, unless Congress has specifically invested some other entity with the power to appoint someone to the role without their involvement. Basically, whenever the Administration creates a new category of job, they either need to get the "advice and consent" of the Senate, or they need to get Congress to pass a law saying that they do not need such advice and consent for this particular job (the further down the chain of command the job is, the more likely that a law that can be read to give such permission already exists).

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  19. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by guises · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am claiming that the Democrats knew what was in the bill, yes. The bit about it being a mess is your opinion - as someone who lived in a single-payer country for a number of years and who knows what healthcare can be, I think that this bill is a desperately needed step in the right direction. I only wish it had gone further.

    As for your hyperbolic nonsense about the Independent Payment Advisory Board: someone has to decide what should and should not be covered, and that person can not and never has been your doctor. Right now it's your health insurance company, seeking to maximize its profits. In the future it will be a panel appointed by the president and subject to senate confirmation. This is an improvement.

  20. A suggestion for an easy fix. by superdude72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pass single-payer, as we should have done in the first place, and send everyone to medicare.gov.

  21. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by perpenso · · Score: 2

    "debate" Isn't that kind of the point? Bipartisanship I mean.

    Except it didn't really happen in a bipartisan manner. For example one night I watched CSPAN and republicans were suggesting quite reasonable amendments and the democratic controlled committee voted each proposal down immediately without debate or further consideration. It seemed that the democratic party leadership had negotiated something in the back rooms between themselves and their lobbyists and no changes were permitted.

    This demonstrated the most fundamental problem with the health reform legislation. The President had promised open, transparent and bipartisan debate and drafting during the campaign and then once in office turned control over to the Democratic party leadership in the House. Who then adopted a very partisan attitude and also went behind closed doors with their lobbyists to do the drafting. If there had been any opportunity for bipartisanship or peeling off moderate Republicans it had been discarded. The House, and the White House to a degree, adopted a "screw the Republicans we won the election and have control of the House and Senate. Rahm Emanual, the President's Chief of Staff publicly said something like that. Pretty much the opposite of what the President promised on the campaign trail, and poisoning the well of bipartisanship and setting the stage for the extreme partisanship of the last 5 years. This was all in the first couple of weeks of the new administration, long before the tea party had any significant presence in the House. Sure there would have been Republicans that would oppose anything, but there would also have been some that would have cooperated. There were a couple at times in spite of the highly partisan atmosphere the Democratic leadership created, if things had truly been done in a bipartisan manner its a pretty safe bet there would have been a number of moderate Republicans who could have been peeled off. Both parties are responsible for the extreme partisanship that exists today.

  22. Re:Somewhere 10,000 contractors get a call by huckamania · · Score: 2

    Its the mandatory coverage levels that will sway most Americans to abandon this. Retirees don't need birth control. Most people don't need psychiatric care. Most people won't be seeking gender reassignment surgery. But now everyone has to pay for it and it isn't cheap.

    Central planning sucks, no matter who is at the top.