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How Blockbuster Could Have Owned Netflix

schnell writes "Your age probably determines whether you think of Blockbuster Video as a fond memory or a dinosaur predestined for extinction. While the last Blockbuster rental at the last remaining Blockbuster video store took place last week, Variety retells a now-classic story of how Blockbuster could have bought Netflix for a song, but didn't because it failed to take the new DVD-by-mail and video streaming markets seriously. Who is next to join Blockbuster, Polaroid, Borders and Best Buy on the ash heap of superseded retail business models?"

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  1. Who's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot!

    1. Re:Who's next? by BreakBad · · Score: 2

      With the ability to order life like 'companions' and the plethora of free pr0n I see the oldest occupation falling on 'hard' times. ba'dah bump.

    2. Re:Who's next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot!

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  2. Pretty much. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember when netflix first started out, it took blockbuster YEARS to FINALLY get a dvd by mail system, and it was still overpriced as hell.
    They continued to make moves acting as a monopoly, refusing to believe they could ever have any competition.
    This was a fatal mistake.

    1. Re:Pretty much. by FearTheDonut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This reminds me of Microsoft....

    2. Re:Pretty much. by TWiTfan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, Blockbuster lagged behind and was a victim of their own hubris, but I'll still miss them. I never was a huge fan of Netflix going to the subscription system for DVD's. I miss being able to go down to a video store and rent a physical DVD/Blu-ray of the latest videos at a flat rate (with better video quality and all the great extra features that you don't get with streaming).

      Unfortunately, Netflix is likely on the verge of abandoning their DVD/Blu-ray by mail program, and special rental versions have all but made extra features an extinct species (still not sure why Blockbuster started buying those and gave up the ONE major advantage they had over streaming services, were they really THAT much cheaper?). One of the great things about DVD's/Blu-Rays (and even before that laserdiscs) were those great commentary tracks and extra features. Sometimes they were better than the movie itself (Cannibal: The Musical, anyone?). Now I'm afraid they're gone for good. No more great commentary tracks and making-of documentaries for us film buffs. And, until bandwidth improves, no more 30mbps 1080p video.

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    3. Re:Pretty much. by pnutjam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm glad to see those making-of and the "Let me tell you why I'm so great" extra features go away. I found them pretentious and irritating.

      However, I'm not a huge movie buff, so take my opinion for what it is worth.

    4. Re:Pretty much. by fermion · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I recall reading an article about the guy who built blockbuster. He was originally in trash. That is, he rented the big bins for commercial trash. He stated that blockbuster and trash collection were basically the same thing. One has some initial investment that does not degrade much over time, and after a while that investment is covered with rental fees. After that it is pure profit. So the idea of blockbuster was to turn over product as quickly as possible to pay for the initial product and get into a profit position. Obviously things like late fees helped. The idea of paying a flat fee for as much product as you wanted for as long as you wanted did not.

      Of course this guy has long left Blockbuster and is doing other things, so there was room for new management to do other things. OTOH, I can see how blockbuster might be attached to their original business model, brick and mortar and all that. Really what has killed them is the long term decline in the value of movie you watch at home. There was a time when you were paying $50-100 to buy a video, so paying $5 to rent it was a value. Eventually studios realized how much money they were leaving on the table, dropped prices for many movies, and cut sweetheart deals with blockbuster, which further eroded the value of home video, and made Blockbuster prices seem expensive. Finally the internet made movies free, Netflix figured out how to compete with free, and blockbuster did not. Really, blockbuster, like other firms simply could not keep the legacy structure and succeed.

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    5. Re:Pretty much. by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What I most dislike about the rental versions is that they often have trailer after trailer and they disable the "skip this" button. (Note to DVD vendors: DO. NOT. DO. THAT. If I choose to skip the trailer, you have already lost the sale. Giving me that damned icon instead of doing as I asked only annoys me.)

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    6. Re: Pretty much. by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, blame both DVD vendors.

      They know a big chunk of DVD players will honour the UOP, yet they choose to include it. DVD vendors are not at legal risk for ignoring UOP, while DVD manufacturers who don't honour UOP could find themselves being hassled in the US.

      Where DRM is optional, it's the content creator who decides to use it that is at fault. Same with region coding.

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    7. Re:Pretty much. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I never was a huge fan of Netflix going to the subscription system for DVD's. I miss being able to go down to a video store and rent a physical DVD/Blu-ray of the latest videos at a flat rate (with better video quality and all the great extra features that you don't get with streaming).

      Here's a clue for you: Redbox.

    8. Re:Pretty much. by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

      The selection is Redbox is a joke compared to Blockbuster. Blockbuster carried a lot of smaller, older, and indie titles that Redbox would never carry in a million years. Redbox is great if you're looking to rent a copy of the latest superhero-movie-of-the-moment, not so great if you're looking for the latest indies (which Blockbuster would usually carry at least a few copies of).

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    9. Re:Pretty much. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's what you said before:
      I miss being able to go down to a video store and rent a physical DVD/Blu-ray of the latest videos at a flat rate

      Redbox has all the "latest videos", which to most people, colloquially means "all the latest Hollywood fare".

      If you want indie stuff, that's what Netflix is for. If you want indie stuff right now, without a wait, then you need to buy it on Amazon or wherever, and pay for same-day or overnight UPS shipping since you're such a spoiled ass. Expecting the market to support thousands of stores nationwide to rent indie videos at absurdly high prices is unrealistic. Obviously, there's not enough people willing to pay for such a service to keep it afloat.

    10. Re:Pretty much. by unrtst · · Score: 2

      I say it again: something was lost with the death of Blockbuster. Online streaming may be more convenient, but it's definitely not better.

      I'm happy to see Blockbuster go, but only because that keeps the door open for mom-and-pops video rental places. In my experience, they're cheaper, friendlier, less strict on late fees and such, and the selection is great (rather than 100 copies of the latest blockbuster, there's a couple, and a couple of all kinds of other stuff too), and they can order stuff in if asked.

      That said, I think there's a huge missed opportunity from the cable companies. Technically, they should be able to offer on demand of all programming they offer, at least for a few days past air date. Localize the data in existing distribution points. They're already pulling the data down there. The on demand would only use the last mile. Should be cheaper and faster than what anyone else can offer. It'd be like Akamai, but the incoming data feed is already there, and they could have far more distribution and no need for renting their own space (ie. much cheaper). Content licensing is another issue, but I'm ignoring that cause it's an artificial barrier :-)

      Oh well, let's burn up a ton of bandwidth from end to end and shut down the reasonable businesses. Heck, if cable/satalite wasn't so (artificially) expensive, much of the streaming would never have happened.

    11. Re: Pretty much. by Altrag · · Score: 2

      As long as dvds are $5-10 cheaper than the bluray equivalent, you can bet people will still buy them. I'm not entirely sure why they don't just price the two the same and drive dvds out of the market -- I can't imagine its cheap to run two production streams for basically the same thing never mind the shelf space issues for retailers. I understand trying to bilk early adopters but bluray is long past the "early adopter" phase.

      I could kind of understand it if they were just hoping the late adopters would turn around and re-buy all of their movies on bluray when they finally make the switch but that seems like a dead-end thought pattern. These are the people who were too cheap to buy a bluray in the first place so at best they're going to wait until things are on sale and basically not be paying much more than the initial price difference except delayed by potentially years.

      But whatever. In the meantime I just have to be careful to get the right damned version of things. Amazon in particular is horrible for trying to sell me the dvd versions of whatever even though I buy exclusively bluray titles (and obviously own a ps3 based on my game purchases.. if their algorithms were smart enough to realize that the ps3 can play blurays.) That is, I mostly buy bluray titles. Occasionally they'll catch me when I'm not paying enough attention and I'll end up buying the wrong version. That's a right pissoff when that happens.

    12. Re:Pretty much. by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      trailer after trailer and they disable the "skip this" button.

      The funny thing is, movie trailers are one form of advertising that I *really* like, but I want to be able to watch it when I want to watch. I actually also REALLY like it when the trailer(s) for THE SAME MOVIE are contained on the disc. It's entertaining (for me) to compare the actual movie with the trailer(s). Whether they "put the funny two chunks into the trailer", or more interestingly to me, show sections of the movie completely out of order in the trailer.

      ANYWAY, about the "forced" trailer watching. You can get past it on most DVDs (I don't have enough experience with BluRays to know if it's common) with an unhacked player by one or more of the following:
      *) skip forward (I realize that's what you tried)
      *) TOP MENU
      *) DVD MENU (never read the spec to see why there are two separate buttons.. IIRC, most DVDs don't handle them differently)
      *) fast forward
      *) stop then play

      Yeah, sounds like a pain, but I'm used to just trying them in succession.

    13. Re:Pretty much. by antdude · · Score: 2

      I wished Netflix had a non-subscription payment system. I rarely watch stuff these days. I like Amazon and iTunes for their on demand payments. However, I dislike buying videos that I have to keep forever. I only want to watch them once at a cheaper price!

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  3. Typical by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some business people look inwards to optimize their existing business in search of profits. Others look at how the market around them changes. Changing ones business model is stressful and not something everyone can do.

    Besides, as an investor, I'd rather put my money where I think the market is going. If management keeps changing focus, I never know what I'm pursuing. Let the Blockbusters of the world rise and fall. I'll buy in or cash out of the trends as I see them.

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  4. Every print magazine left. by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Funny

    Followed shortly thereafter by the USPS, unless Amazon just outright buys them.

    1. Re:Every print magazine left. by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm not sure I'd right off the USPS. Their parcel business seems to be growing rapidly, with very competitive prices for small fixed price boxes.

      I think the big shopping mall anchor stores (Macy's, JC Penney, etc) are all likely to fail in the next 20 years. Sears is already a dead man walking, Penney's is close and the others are living on borrowed time.

    2. Re:Every print magazine left. by Imsdal · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure I'd right off the USPS

      It's "write off". It's an accounting term.

      It's "right off". It's a mafia term.

    3. Re:Every print magazine left. by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Followed shortly thereafter by the USPS, unless Amazon just outright buys them.

      Dream on, teaboy. Have a look at the US Constitution. "To establish post offices and post roads;"

      Getting rid of the USPS is unconstitutional.

  5. Blockbuster Business Model by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They'd have tried to shoe-horn late fees into Netflix. That's where all Blockbuster's money came from. Renting videos was just a loss leader for late fees. They didn't take Netflix seriously because they didn't have late fees and Blockbuster didn't see how anyone could make money just renting videos.

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    1. Re:Blockbuster Business Model by dunezone · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Blockbuster had a service like Netflix and it was launched in 2004. The Blockbuster DVD-by-Mail was an interesting endeavor because everyone thought they were going to compete head to head with Netflix. The problem is that when you examined the Blockbuster DVD-by-Mail service it had a hidden agenda and that was getting people to come back to the stores.

      With Netflix they sent you a DVD, you send it back through the mail, they send you another. With Blockbusters service they send you a DVD and you could either send it back and they send you a new movie OR bring it back to the stores and exchange it for a so-called rental. Except that new rental is subject to late fees and restocking fees WHICH they announced in 2005 they were getting rid of which they secretly didn't and this brought upon them a massive lawsuit.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_LLC#Misleading_advertising

      This was their way of getting people to come back to their stores and adding on late fees which was their cash cow.

      Blockbuster is the perfect example of a company that knew the industry was changing and somewhat attempted to adapt but wouldn't let go of the past completely.In my opinion Netflix wasn't what damned them it was just the beginning. Redbox is what really killed them.

    2. Re:Blockbuster Business Model by JWW · · Score: 2

      Yep I got smacked by that bogus "No late fees" campaign.

      For a measly $8 in late fees they lost a customer and earned someone who detested their company.

      Good riddance Blockbuster! You sucked as a company and deserved all the bad things that happened. The fact that you utterly failed to deal with mailed DVD's and streaming is just gravy for the schadenfreude.

  6. About Polaroid... by TheloniousToady · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Polaroid is already gone. For the last few years, ever since they stopped making instant film, Polaroid has been nothing more than a brand name to be licensed out (presumably, to attract folks who still have fond memories of instant film.) For example, all those cheap portable Polaroid-brand DVD players are made by somebody else. That's in contrast to Best Buy, which is a real corporation, and Borders, which is at least a division of a real corporation, Barnes & Noble.

  7. Best Buy by Danathar · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not dead yet.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/11/best-buy-sp-500s-best-performer-getting-still-more-praise/

    They are not out of the woods, but things like price matching amazon have helped a lot. I've personally not bought from Best Buy in a long time, but recently after buying something on Amazon I checked how much it would of cost at Best Buy and realized for a little more I could of had it that day for about the same price.

    Polaroid? Borders? That's old news.

  8. Easily applied to any new/old tech pair by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How could Blockbuster have eaten Netflix's Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner? Easy: take all the same risks Netflix took, invest more capital (which Blockbuster had at the time), and abandon their proven business models earlier than they did.

    The buggy whip makers could have beaten AC/Delco to the punch if they only followed this same crystal ball strategy.

    What everybody forgets is: Pets.com et. al. Sure, they look silly today, but there was a time that they attracted investment dollars that Netflix didn't get.

    1. Re:Easily applied to any new/old tech pair by JoeMerchant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But it's not entirely clear when streaming will "take off," speaking from 2005 perspective - is the bandwidth there? will regulation step in and make Netflix pay for their inordinate use of the backbone? (still unknown), what devices will people consume media on? will Netflix be able to get their red button on enough remote controls? Most of these things are clear now, but were not so clear 8 ot 10 years ago.

      Those newfangled cars, where are you going to fill them up with petrol? There's grass to eat clear from New York City all the way to San Francisco, and if you need to bale up some hay to cross the mountains, you can do that easy enough on the prarie for free...

  9. Best Buy by TWX · · Score: 2

    "I'm not dead."

    "What?"

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    "I'm not dead."

    "'Ere, he says he's not dead."

    "Yes he is."

    "I'm not."

    "He isn't."

    "Well, he will be soon, he's very ill."

    "I'm getting better."

    "No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment."

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    "I feel fine!"

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  10. Blockbuster would have dragged them down by TechHSV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Blockbuster had purchased them, they never would have made the leap to delivering over the Internet.

  11. Blockbuster failure sits at the CEO's feet by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    They could have killed/bought redbox and netflix easily. But the Executives at Blockbuster are still too stupid to realize that they had to change models. I guarantee they still deny they did anything wrong.

    If you are only looking at next quarter, then as an executive you are a complete and utter moron.

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  12. Blockbuster died... by Bartles · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...for me when they claimed they could not stop the computer from charging a fine to my credit card when I returned a movie 2 hours late. I cut my BB card in half in front of the cashier. Circa 2002.

    1. Re:Blockbuster died... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There was a known fee for a late video, and you returned the video late, and got a fee? And then cut you cut your card in front of a minimum wage employee for doing his job properly?

      You sound deranged.

    2. Re:Blockbuster died... by SonicSpike · · Score: 2

      They lied to you.

      When I was in undergrad, working at Blockbuster was my part-time job. It was quite fun actually, but anyway, management can remove fines if they want, it's real easy to do.

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  13. Disaster by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2

    Folks automatically assume that if Blockbuster bought Netflix that Blockbuster would be sitting on top of the streaming video world. More likely Blockbuster would have either killed the business either intentionally or through incompetence. When you have an entrenched management team that only understands one way of doing business and whose careers are based on a traditional distribution model, you will find that they don't adapt well to a new distribution model. My bet is that a new competitor would have eaten Blockbuster/Netflix' lunch.

    Odds are Blockbuster was better off not making the purchase.

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  14. Game Stores by Phoenix666 · · Score: 3

    The next retail model to go belly up are GameStops and the like. When Steam is fully up and running there will be no reason to buy your own copy any more, which means the lucrative secondary market many game stores rely on for profit margins will go away.

    Incidentally when Steam is fully transitioned to Linux it will have an effect on prevalence of MS in the home, too.

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    1. Re:Game Stores by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

      Gamestop doesn't sell computer games anyway. As long as consoles remain popular and games come on a disk, I don't see them going away. And that seems like it's going to be true for at least the next seven years.

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  15. Fitting rooms by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the big shopping mall anchor stores (Macy's, JC Penney, etc) are all likely to fail in the next 20 years.

    Department stores have one big advantage over online stores: fitting rooms.

    1. Re:Fitting rooms by Guido+von+Guido+II · · Score: 2

      They'd have to run them, which costs money. It would be a big change to their business model, and it's not necessarily something they'd be good at. As such, it's a big risk. Which doesn't mean they won't try.

    2. Re:Fitting rooms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a slashdotter this may shock you: The malls are busy and very profitable. Department store space isn't going to be cheap anytime soon. Even in failing malls retailers like Target are happy to buy the big anchor store spaces.

      People still buy their clothes at local stores, and the main reasons are probably:
        1. Your computer still can't accurately represent colors, which are key to dressing.
        2. Manufacturers still can't cut clothes correctly, so you have to try on things in your size in brands you know.
        3. Manufacturers still don't know what an inch is, so no one actually follows a sizing standard.
        4. The sort of people who pay 3 times what their clothes are worth like to make a day out of shopping.

    3. Re:Fitting rooms by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 2

      What is to stop Amazon from buying up departments stores for a dime right before they finally fold and having Amazon stores, where you can try some things on, order it, and it is at your house by the time you get home?

      What would stop Amazon? Sound business sense and reality are what would stop them from doing this.

      It doesn't matter whether Amazon would buy sites or lease them - either way it's not going to be a "dime". Paying staff, and costs for 100,000 square feet for showrooms and fitting rooms seems pretty bizarre. They could do a bricks and mortar tie-in, but not at this scale while relying on their existing business model. The idea here is pretty much that the previous guy went bust because of a dying business model, so I'm going to jump in and do pretty much what he did? Maybe a smaller scale store with a specific focus - such as a tie-in to an Amazon specific product. Maybe a store that'd drive business to Kindle?

      As it stands, your idea is jam packed with lunacy. The only way I can top your idea is to suggest that Jeff Bezos could drive revenues by publicly shitting in to a box of squirrels.

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    4. Re:Fitting rooms by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      It could scan the customer and then make the garment to fit using a 3D printer.

      And yes, of course they'd accept payment by bitcoin!

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  16. Old "failed to take seriously" argument by T.E.D. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hear this argument every time for companies that fail to shift to a new market reality. Examples are Xerox (with their PARC stuff), Polariod, Blackberry, IBM back in the day, record companies, etc. That's a complete misreading of the issue. It isn't about having some misguided sense of humor, its about fear.

    The problem entrenched companies have is that while they have a market that they dominate that is acting as the company gravy-train, all the incentives in the world are acting upon them to protect that gravy train. This works well for them with normal competitors, but if someone finds a way to undermine the entire system (eg: online distribution for music), no matter how inevitable the coming change may be, it is a direct attack on their gravy train, and they will attack it back. If they tried to do the same thing themselves, at best they'd only cannibalize their own sales. What good is that?

    Yes, it may be short-sighted. But we are a short-sighted species. A company's employees don't take their salary "in the long run", and their families don't eat "in the long run" either.

  17. Going, going, not quite gone by tepples · · Score: 2

    Likewise, when streaming video became a ubiquitous thing, it should have been obvious that video disc rental was going away.

    Going away, not quite gone away. Streaming releases on Netflix, as I understand it, happen several months after the DVD release. Streaming is still impractical among people who can't yet move out of an area where nobody offers cable or fiber Internet. And how well is streaming doing in Europe and Australia/New Zealand, which have fewer potential customers per country and per language market than anglophone North America?

  18. Walmart is next by RevWaldo · · Score: 2

    No, I don't know how. But then again, neither do they. They won't even see it coming.

    .

  19. Best Buy isn't Going Away by Kagato · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Best Buy got rid of the C level staff that were associated with the old CEO/founder. The new CEO made a number of hard choices and focused on the fundamentals. That has lead to a significant recovery. The stock price has more than tripled and they are one of the best performing companies on the S&P500 right now.

    Major point, the online pick-up is now part of check out area and not customer service. For years I hated using online pick-up because without fail I would be stuck waiting behind someone making the financial transaction of the century. I used to use Circuit City pick-up all the time because it was always ready when I got their. I found it less frustrating to use Amazon and wait the extra day instead of waiting in line. So it's a great change.

    They making some good changes to the loyalty program. It's one of the easier ways of getting money back on purchasing rarely discounted Apple Hardware.

    They got out of some really badly done deals internationally. The Cellphone Warehouse deal for UK expansion gave Cellphone Warehouse a cut of BB's US cell sales.

    Certainly there is risk for them. If all the changes don't turn into great numbers for the holidays it could spell disaster. We'll know in a couple months.

  20. Blockbuster had video on demand in beta in 2000 by GodBlessTexas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While working at Enron Broadband Services in 2000, we had partnered with Blockbuster to create a video on demand service, and had all the main/regional CLEC/ILECs as partners to provide last mile connectivity. We were able to stream better than VHS, but slightly worse than DVD quality video over a 1Mbps Internet connection that required you to have a set top box. We had successfully demonstrated the technology in the lab and were going into the first run trials to beta customer homes when Blockbuster pulled the plug. So they could have beat Netflix to the punch by bypassing the DVD rental business entirely and going straight to VOD, but they decided not to. Also, a little known fact is that it was the pro-forma $150 million Enron booked as earning on that VOD project before it ever hit a customer home that brought increased scrutiny to their financials before they ultimately went out of business a year later.

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  21. Re:28 days late by cusco · · Score: 2

    I'm old enough to remember when people were complaining on SlashDot how Blockbuster was driving all the mom and pop video stores out of business.

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