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Ask Slashdot: How Do You Protect Your Privacy These Days? Or Do You?

An anonymous reader writes "The NSA snoops traffic and has backdoors in encryption algorithms. Law enforcement agencies are operating surveillance drones domestically (not to mention traffic cameras and satellites). Commercial entities like Google, Facebook and Amazon have vast data on your internet behavior. The average Joe has sophisticated video-shooting and sharing technology in his pocket, meaning your image can be spread anywhere anytime. Your private health, financial, etc. data is protected by under-funded IT organizations which are not under your control. Is privacy even a valid consideration anymore, or is it simply obsolete? If you think you can maintain your privacy, how do you go about it?"

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  1. one method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    not truthfully responding to such questions

    1. Re:one method by JohnVanVliet · · Score: 2

      no kidding
      there may or may not be one( or more) site(s) that has my REAL D of B and age
      nor have my address or city i live in

      different profiles might have different schools
      and different years attended
      or not .

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      "I don't pitch OpenSUSE Linux to my friends, i let Microsoft do it for me
    2. Re:one method by TheP4st · · Score: 2

      not truthfully responding to such questions

      So I shouldn't let on that I have contracted cold fjord to secure all my data?

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      "I have downloaded hundreds and hundreds of records, why would I care if somebody downloads ours?" Robin Pecknold
    3. Re:one method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you are trying to be funny. So I take it as serious talk.

      This all listed above means nothing if the IP you are using is the same you use to log in to FB or to Google.

    4. Re:one method by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which part of not entering real information did you miss?

      Unfortunately there's a couple of flaws in his plan:
      a) Facebook is busy asking other people things like: "Did you go to school with JohnVanVilet?" and they're all eagerly answering "Yes!!"
      b) They've figure out he lies so they're starting to 'confirm' every new account via. mobile phone.

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    5. Re:one method by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      fortunately in some countries a prepaid simcard costs $1-2 .... quite convenient for being disposable

    6. Re:one method by digitalchinky · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In 3 letter agency circles the process is called "Traffic Analysis". Even if you use a prepaid SIM you toss away a few minutes later, the first time you reach out to anyone you've ever known, you cease to be unknown. Reach out to 3 or 4 people and it's game over, you're new identity is tossed in the same box as your old identity. Back to square one. The only way to hide from TA is to avoid exposure entirely. One person can keep a secret. Two people, not so much.

    7. Re:one method by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      well sure, if you're a mafia boss handing out death sentences you might need to change the phone every 3-4 calls... if you just want to fuck with nsa change the phones and sims with your friends, maybe they'll make one single superperson out of you.

      there's diminishing returns on that for advertising sites though, and if you want to appear online as yourself with some profile then people will somehow have to know it's you(or at least that it's your alias) anyways. it's not like some random website that uses txt confirmation of your account is going to have the access to your phone operators records to comb through the imeis and past logs to match that it is you(well, maybe at&t would sell access to it).

      though advertising sites don't really even care if the information is bad as long as they can find a buyer for it, if they can say to their buyer that the info is txt confirmed then that's pretty much what they care about, being able to sell the log as unique visitor(if they're using it for that).

      and if you're doing something online that you don't want traced, use tor or some other solution. but if you want to access your banking account then at the very least the bank has to somehow know it's you...

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    8. Re:one method by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It depends who you are hiding from.

      The typical internet user is unlikely to incur the wrath of the NSA or even law enforcement unless they are involved in crime or political activism. They may choose to hide on princible.

      What they do have to fear is the casual background check.

      For example: I loathe the catholic church. A bunch of homophobic superstitious idiots with ridiculous beliefs that even they have had to shy away from out of embarassment. Stuck-up people who claim to be the sole early authority on issues of morality, though apparently this includes sheltering a truely obscene number of child-molesters in their ranks from the public relations disaster of actually being caught by law enforcement.

      My first job out of university was in IT support at a catholic school.

      Now, imagine if I had been dumb enough to write the above under my real name somewhere? The school may very well have put my name into google to check if I have any skeletons, found something like the above, and decided not to offer me the job. I'd never have learned why, just gotten the 'your application was not successful' form letter, so it's impossible to say how often this happens - but with facebook and google requiring real names for an increasing number of social media concerns, this is surely happening with increasing frequency.

    9. Re:one method by mikael · · Score: 1

      That's where the tracking cookies come in ... you might have several facebook accounts, but the odds are, there's going to be one cookie that remains the same for advertisers.

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    10. Re:one method by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That's where multiple browser profiles and cookie control (including Flash cookies & HTML5 storage) come in.

      But I must say it becomes more of a PITA as time goes on. My Firefox install is so heavily modified it gives a lot of trouble...doesn't work with Slashdot at all anymore and I can't figure out why. For now I'm using a Chromium incognito window when I want to post a slashdot comment.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    11. Re:one method by dhasenan · · Score: 5, Funny

      When I have a phone conversation, I do it by recording MP3s, putting them in encrypted form on microSD cards, and leaving them at dead drops.

    12. Re:one method by INT_QRK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assume that what you say or do in public is now, has ever been, and will always be public. That's not a new condition. Avoid doing or saying anything in public you'd be embarrassed for your Mom to find out about. Stay the hell off of "social media" sites; if you must (some employers strong arm for Linked-In), keep your footprint minimal, you activity low, your privacy settings maxed, and your ego in check. Immediately egress and abandon any "social," and every other site, that probes for information that makes you uncomfortable. Minimal internet presence is not only OK, but preferable to glaring and suspicion raising absence, because, be advised, methods for countering detection and targeting, including systemic traffic analysis, significantly include blending in with routine traffic. Although everything on the web is traceable and searchable, resources always have a pain threshold and imply a noise floor under which normal resources will not be routinely expended to engage without provocation or extraordinary need. Nothing can inoculate one from random occurrences of bad luck, malicious actors, or general misfortune; but, wise and moderate behavior reduces the odds. "Nail that sticks out gets hammered in." - Anon attributed as Japanese proverb

    13. Re:one method by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Because:
      1. They have money.
      2. I, being unemployed, did not.
      3. The church didn't actually exercise much control over the everyday running of the school anyway.

      Princibles are all very well if you have money. When you've been unemployed for six months with nothing but a diploma and a CCNA, you take what work you can get.

      And your proposed solution isn't exactly princibled either. Self-censorship? Never say anything that could offend anyone, because you may some day need their favor?

      If you've managed to find my real name, it would be quite an achievement. Prove it: Give the initials. You can easily find my website, as I've linked to it a few times, but there's no real name up there. Best you'll find is a group photo, but it doesn't say which person in the photo is me.

    14. Re:one method by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Hey, I'll one up that by saying "Don't have a fucking stupid social network account to begin with".
      You can quote me on that. I did.
      We're nerds, we really don't do social. Not within a structured environment anyway. Is /. not evidence of this?
      Go to town, look up the fly, see who am I, you can try, then wonder why. So many possibilities, so many degrees, so many fields, so many who would be fly, they are not I and I, aye? Eye think you misrepresent your abilities.

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    15. Re:one method by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

      Make sure to add some sound filters, remove transcoder meta-data and encode files each sdcard with different codecs with different OSs.
      Every plan has flaws, even cryptoschizophrenic ones.

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    16. Re:one method by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Which part of not entering real information did you miss?

      Unfortunately there's a couple of flaws in his plan:
      a) Facebook is busy asking other people things like: "Did you go to school with JohnVanVilet?" and they're all eagerly answering "Yes!!"
      b) They've figure out he lies so they're starting to 'confirm' every new account via. mobile phone.

      Regarding a), why would someone answer "yes; they know JonValilet (Doe(?)), when presented with an unrecognized name and/or pic? Social media e-penis extension? Or are people actually providing factual data to multi-billion-dollar transnational intelligence agencies?*

      Of all of the people I know with landlines, and grand total of one (a grandparent) is to cheap to have that number unlisted. Yet (as indicated by "b)") some people are actually willing to fork over their unlisted-by-default cellular phone number to a multi-billion-dollar transnational intelligence agency?* Tele-hucksters are surely laughing all the way to the bank.

      * As this personal information is worth billions of dollars, what cut of the proceeds does a "good" snitch receive for outing their "friends?" My guess: Plentiful corporate propaganda that's more persuasive in its ability to manipulate the actions/behavior/purchases of the recipients, in lieu of about zero dollars.

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      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    17. Re:one method by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      As best I could work out my contract, my ultimate boss was the Pope.

      It never came up, though. As the lowest of the low in IT support, and only support staff, I never had any involvement with the religious side at all. I just fixed computers.

      I did once get stuck behind a visiting bishop of somewhere-or-other. He wanted to give a presentation in the chapel (The only time IT ever had to venture in there), but at the last moment we found our portable projection screen was damaged. I spent the entire duration of the presentation sitting behind the screen, holding it in place. No-one in the audience knew I was there.

    18. Re:one method by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It's "principled," damnit! With a P!

      Like Biff in Back to the Future, you sound like a damn fool when you say it wrong.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    19. Re:one method by Dekker3D · · Score: 1

      I struggle to find out how SuricouRaven was being homophobic. Maybe pedophobic, if that's a word?

    20. Re:one method by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      I thought we were talking to the FB subtopic, not to FBI one ;-)

    21. Re:one method by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't protect you. http://samy.pl/evercookie/

    22. Re:one method by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      I think you're looking at the situation incorrectly. I don't break any laws, and I'm careful not to post to social network anything that could negatively impact my career. The NSA's ability to read my Facebook page or track my habit of visiting websites about steam cars, Alexander the Great's military tactics, or women with big asses does not bother me because of the potential impact on my career or any criminal investigation.

      My concern is that the NSA has access to all of this kind of information about every citizen. Say that the president in 2021, whoever it is, starts accusing people that annoy him of terrorism and have them held indefinitely without right to trial. A number of citizens are displeased with this, so we decide to hold a rally against it. The NSA can instantly identify all of us, and subject us to the same fate. If a group of people spontaneously hold a protest, the president may not be able to get a group of 100 soldiers to shoot innocent civilians but it only takes one obedient soldier to manage a drone strike.

      The executive branch of the US government is systematically acquiring all of the tools it needs to create and maintain a totalitarian state.

    23. Re:one method by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Most annoyingly, I actually typed it all correctly - before looking at it, thinking I'd made a mistake, and going back to 'correct' the error.

    24. Re:one method by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      My concern is that the NSA has access to all of this kind of information about every citizen. Say that the president in 2021, whoever it is, starts accusing people that annoy him of terrorism and have them held indefinitely without right to trial. A number of citizens are displeased with this, so we decide to hold a rally against it. The NSA can instantly identify all of us, and subject us to the same fate. If a group of people spontaneously hold a protest, the president may not be able to get a group of 100 soldiers to shoot innocent civilians but it only takes one obedient soldier to manage a drone strike.

      It's happened before, and often with little to no evidence.

      Like the Salem Witch Trials. Or McCarthyism.

      The NSA doesn't NEED information on you - it just needs to exploit something about you that's publicly known. Perhaps you're Muslim - that's usually an easy target (see all the fuss raised about building a mosque near the WTC?).

      And the "witches" and "red commies" didn't usually have anymore evidence than a finger pointed at them.

    25. Re:one method by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of /b/tards suddenly cried out in anticipation, and got busy on the challenge."

      --
      - For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat /dev/random (may take some time)
    26. Re:one method by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      There's the old story about the people in Germany during World War 2, something like, "When they came for the gays, I did not intervene because I was not gay. When they came for the gypsies, I did not intervene because I was not a gypsy. When they came for the Jews, I did not intervene because I was not a Jew. When they came for me, I looked around for help and realized there was no one left to intervene." I'm probably getting the quote wrong.

      You're right, we the citizens of the US should have been raising hell when the Muslims or Communists were unfairly targeted, and we didn't. But I am paying attention now, and it's not too late yet.

    27. Re:one method by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip. Someone should make that a browser add-on. (I realize the correct answer to that statement is, "Well, you are a someone, aren't you?")

      I'll see about it. While I'm at it, I understand that some browser tracking comes from unique ordering of browser plugins and fonts from each machine. It should be a browser standard to provide that information in a fixed order, and there should be add-ons that do it for you until it's a standard.

      I guess I have my work cut out.

  2. Don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nothing you do electronically is anonymous. I don't use the Internet, I don't make phone calls, and I don't do email. Ever. At all. I only pay cash (coins actually, because bills have serial numbers that can be tracked). And I certainly would never, ever, post anything online.

    1. Re:Don't use it by JustOK · · Score: 1

      If you've ever touched a penny, then the govt has your DNA

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    2. Re:Don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's exactly why I only touch pennies with my private parts - they may have my DNA but they're not going to like where it came from.

    3. Re:Don't use it by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Nothing you do electronically is anonymous.

      Worse: Anybody who can find out anything at all about you, will, and they'll sell that information to as many other people as they possibly can.

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    4. Re:Don't use it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, looking like you have cash is a good invitation to be mugged. Wear old dirty tattered clothing, neglect grooming, and muggers will assume you're homeless and you have no money. As an added bonus you'll save money by not wasting it on new clothes or hair products.

    5. Re:Don't use it by Dekker3D · · Score: 1

      You think he was handing her a few dollars' worth of pennies? Ahem, maybe not "handing"...

    6. Re:Don't use it by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      I'm not worried. I don't do anything. I just sit at home watching movies on my LG Smart-TV... *DOH*!

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  3. I keep my data locally. Almost... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My private data does not leave my home network. I lack off site backups, but Google spies on all my email. I rarely bother with Tor, just enough to draw suspicion. Gee, maybe I should rethink some of this, but that sounds like work.

    I think my issue here is the same as a lot of peoples: maintaining privacy requires you actually bother to do stuff. My categorical banning of all cookies, java script and browser plugins except for white lists is really the only effort I've put into my privacy.

    I don't go around spamming private stuff on Facebook, but I still expose my reading habits to web servers, my ISP etc. I don't host my own sites, so I'm leaking lots of info about my users/readers to the hosts. I lack HTTPs support on most of my sites, so I'm leaking lots of stuff.

    I've toyed with Tor hidden services (I made one), and bitcoin (I have some), but never actually done anything with them. I have a big interest in privacy, but generally I don't bother with it. Its kinda sad really.

    We need better tools to make having privacy not be a sacrifice: it needs to be easy, and not lose you features, or even the people who care (like me) won't even bother. We are a long way from this, which in the purest sense isn't even actually possible (You have to lose some features if you have true privacy).

    1. Re:I keep my data locally. Almost... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We need better tools to make having privacy not be a sacrifice: it needs to be easy, and not lose you features, or even the people who care (like me) won't even bother.

      This. We also need to make it much easier to find out which tools/services are worth people's time, energy, and money. Even something as seemingly simple as intelligently choosing an ISP, VPN, email provider, etc. requires a massive investment in time to learn the basic technical aspects of each service & relevant features, scour the Web to find non-spammy reviews hidden among the SEOspam, compare prices & feature offerings... If a geek like me that already understands the technology and has a ton of free time to do research finds it a frustrating pain in the ass, the average consumer hasn't got a chance in hell.

      IMHO it would be a good idea to form a donation-supported central site (wiki, forum, whatever) where individuals could write articles explaining the relevant technology both for geeks and non-technical types, post overviews of services (prices, features, government-friendliness, etc.) & personal reviews, double-check reviews for accuracy, compile results, and so forth.

    2. Re:I keep my data locally. Almost... by gmuslera · · Score: 2

      Your internal network is already compromised probably. They don't just watch, they hack, and plant backdoors (that can watch inside private networks, or potentially do more destructive things). That was their attack to the Tor network, not inspecting its traffic, but exploiting vulnerabilities in browsers/plugins/etc, even spoofing for that sites like Slashdot and Linkedin

    3. Re:I keep my data locally. Almost... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Really? How do you do your banking? Banks don't even have branches with real people anymore.

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    4. Re:I keep my data locally. Almost... by JimSadler · · Score: 1

      Recently I saw someone who had their body photo shopped by a stranger, a false ad created, and posted on Craigslist with a description of sexual services she would perform for a fee. The give away was that the body in the ad had tattoos that she does not have. But people in certain positions such as school teachers could be ruined by such a rude trick.

    5. Re:I keep my data locally. Almost... by Burz · · Score: 1

      This. We also need to make it much easier to find out which tools/services are worth people's time, energy, and money. Even something as seemingly simple as intelligently choosing an ISP, VPN, email provider, etc. requires a massive investment in time to learn the basic technical aspects of each service & relevant features, scour the Web to find non-spammy reviews hidden among the SEOspam, compare prices & feature offerings...

      None of these approaches works anyway unless the other end of the communications also uses the same protocols, so you might as well specify a single robust, comprehensive tool. My take is that VPNs are vulnerable to traffic analysis (providing the who, when and where of your communications) and it requires a true anonymizing network with P2P routing to actually hide these details.

      We've been advocating encryption and privacy to users in too piecemeal a fashion for the past 20 years. Now I think the best approach is to insist on applications that specifically utilize a protocol like I2P so all your encrypted traffic is intermixed with packets from other apps and other users. There is no need to be aware of OTR + PGP + HTTPS + how each app implements them and whether or not they're even turned on in each app. That's a dead end. Use apps written for I2P and be done with it.

      One could advocate Tor in this role, but at this point it seems only marginally more popular than I2P which seems to also have more software written for it. Most of the stuff that supports Tor is primarily geared to unencrypted communications so that might leave us with the same dilemma of wondering if you have everything configured correctly to maintain privacy.

    6. Re:I keep my data locally. Almost... by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      How did you determine that Tor is "only marginally more popular than I2P"? Just curious.

  4. I don't care (so much) as long as (fillinfodder) by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most people I have talked with are angry, but don't know how to act against it.

  5. Simple by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I send everything to Snowden for safe-keeping.

  6. Simple. by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't have anything the NSA is interested in.
    The people that are likely to try to gain from violating my privacy are likely to spend 10 times more then they gain.

    1. Re:Simple. by NoKaOi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't have anything the NSA is interested in.
      The people that are likely to try to gain from violating my privacy are likely to spend 10 times more then they gain.

      There are two words that everyone should be concerned with: False Positive.

    2. Re:Simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I don't have anything the NSA is interested in."

      Do you comment on any forums to influence people?
      Do you vote? Do you think your vote is not interesting?
      Do you have relatives? Do you think they are all so bland and uninteresting?
      Do you work for a company? Does it make stuff in competition to other companies?
      Do you know stuff the NSA might find useful.

    3. Re:Simple. by MoonFog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with you 100%. The issue I've found is that people are absolutely terrible when it comes to working with big numbers. Any chance of false positive is seen as a 1 in a million shot at best. People cannot comprehend how they could end up in that kind of situation, the chances are so slim. It seems to me many have forgotten the old saying that we're supposed to let 10 guilty people go rather than jail 1 innocent person since we're (the west) supposed to be a benevolent democracy.

      As I usually say: every week there is someone who wins the lottery, and that chance is really, really small.

    4. Re:Simple. by Imrik · · Score: 1

      If that's what you're worried about wouldn't you want to give them more information so they'd have a better picture of you rather than less?

    5. Re:Simple. by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would add 2 words to that ones: Witch Hunt. What we see normal or harmless today could be proclaimed as crime tomorrow. The "pressure cookers" topic changed meaning after boston bombing.

    6. Re:Simple. by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "I don't have anything the NSA is interested in."

      Today.

      That you know of.

    7. Re: Simple. by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "The vast majority of paranoid nutters on Slashdot are of precisely zero interest to the NSA."

      Obviously, chances are low, but then, stakes are high: imagine the reach of something like mccarthyism nowadays; are you sure there can't be nothing similar in your country within thirty or fourty years?

      Or, even if its reach doesn't go as far as nazism, do you want to bet on slowly eroding your rigths and then find a day when you -or your son, can't get a job, or healthcare, or a mortage because you happen to be considered within the wrong group? Even if it doesn't happen, are you comfortable living in a country where that could happen because you allowed your government and big corporations the ability to do it?

  7. Not too bothered by axlash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm less worried about the likes of the NSA, and more worried about criminal gangs getting hold of my data and using it to make my life a misery through identity theft.

    Anyhow, the way these things work is:
    - Either a very small percentage of people are seriously affected by breaches in privacy, in which case I don't need to worry too much about it, or
    - A significantly large number of people are seriously affected, so that it becomes a political issue and there's a push to do something about it.

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    1. Re:Not too bothered by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      what makes you think that 20 000 contractors wouldn't be a way for the information to leak to criminals or that 20 000 contractors wouldn't use in a fashion that would be criminal for anyone else?(you know, like using your identity to email hack someone else and you ending up as the fall guy...).

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    2. Re:Not too bothered by somenickname · · Score: 5, Informative

      The NSA *is* a criminal gang. And, it's a criminal gang that can put you in jail for breaking laws that you don't even realize you are breaking.

    3. Re:Not too bothered by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      it becomes a political issue and there's a push to do something about it

      Yeah, that usually works sooo well.

    4. Re:Not too bothered by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The NSA is a criminal gang. They operate above the law and ignore rulings against them. As far as they are concerned the rules do not apply.

      We also know that individuals in the NSA a criminals. They use their power to spy on their partners, for example. You should be very afraid of the NSA.

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    5. Re:Not too bothered by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Thanks to ex staff, fired staff and other 'trusted' countries staff, contractors its all in the mix now.
      If you have the cash and contracts you can 'run' the same systems on any scale.
      The "worry" is really who you upset - a brand name, their private security, a gov, a cult, a faith, a nation, some criminal group, law enforcement, ex law enfacement, a political party.
      http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/08/a-spy-in-the-jungle/60770/
      http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-corporations-increasingly-spying-on-nonprofits-group-says-20131120,0,3211134.story
      http://www.bath.ac.uk/ipr/our-publications/policy-briefs/policy-brief-corporate-and-police-spying-on-activists.html

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    6. Re:Not too bothered by axlash · · Score: 1

      what makes you think that 20 000 contractors wouldn't be a way for the information to leak to criminals or that 20 000 contractors wouldn't use in a fashion that would be criminal for anyone else?(you know, like using your identity to email hack someone else and you ending up as the fall guy...).

      Is it possible for this to happen? Absolutely.
      Is it likely that this could happen? I have no idea, but I doubt it.

      Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about an event whose probability is hard to estimate.

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      Deal with reality - the world as it is - rather than ideality - the world as you would like it to be.
  8. Proxies and encryption by MoonFog · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it's important to protect my privacy despite not having much they are interested in. I encrypt my harddrives, have my own domain with e-mail that I've set up with GnuPG on my workstation and laptop, I sometimes use the TOR bundle as well as a USB with Tails on it. The simplest thing is that I subscribe to https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ to get proxy/VPN access to the net. Also, setting Firefox up with HTTPS everywhere, DNTPlus, NoScript etc. is important.

    It doesn't take much to make their jobs harder. I use these things also for everyday items, it's not like I fire up PIA to "go dark and do evil stuff". I've plenty of friends that don't see the point of doing what I do when what I use it for isn't illegal, but privacy means privacy from prying eyes, I decide what I share with others.

    1. Re:Proxies and encryption by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      proxy/VPN access to the net.

      Since it isn't obvious, there are two ways that VPNs help:

      (1) They mix your traffic in with everybody else using the same proxy - when you are at home your IP address is generally yours alone, but with one of these proxy services there could be hundreds of people using the same IP address.

      (2) You can easily switch between proxies. The service I use has about 20 proxies in the US alone. Whenever I do something where I have to explicitly hand out identifying information (like make a purchase with paypal) I switch to a different proxy for just that one transaction and then move on to a 3rd proxy or back to the original proxy as soon as that specific transaction is done. That makes it harder to correlate any of the other websites I 'anonymously' browsed with the information I had to give up to in order to make a purchase.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    2. Re: Proxies and encryption by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Http proxies can add (if configured to do so) an header reporting the real IP, so even if you are behind a proxy they will get your IP.

      They can indeed. You can use this website to see if your browser is doing that, it is the HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR header.

      http://ipinfo.info/html/privacy-check.php

      With the right plugin you could also configure your browser to spew random ip addresses in the forwarded-for header if your proxy doesn't put one itself.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  9. Pidgin + OTR plugin by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

    For most of my personal communication I use the pidgin instant messaging client with the Off-The Record plugin for easy encrypted messaging on (nearly) any OS. The tough part is talking friends into using it as well. Of course, the NSA could still break into this stuff, but it would certainly waste their time and resources.

    1. Re:Pidgin + OTR plugin by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I use Retroshare. Similar thing IM-wise, encrypted messaging, but it also has some excellent file searching/browsing/transfer capabilities (Great for those with a healthy disrespect for copyright), runs fully decentralised (Great for those in more repressive countries where IM software servers are blocked) and can also handle decentralised forums and mail transfer.

  10. Re:Unplug. by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you plan on never going to the doctor. Never getting a job. No girlfriend. Never walking down a city street. Never owning a car. Never renting or owning a place to live. Oh, and groceries...

    About all you could do is head to the woods and live off the land, but not yours. ( Of course then you have the satellites to worry about.. ).

    Good luck with that plan.

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  11. Depending on the platform, there are some options. by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The issue is you cannot protect your privacy directly from the NSA. They seem to have tapped communication between Google data centres, can request any information they wish from any company (Google, FB, your local ISB and phone provider, etc), so the only option is limiting the amount of data you provide. Interestingly I started taking the following steps even before the leaks simply because I became uncomfortable with the major corporations gathering my data and then changing their privacy policies at will. That's not how contracts are supposed to work, and disagreeing doesn't seem to have any effect. Once Snowden went public, my paranoia turned out to be justified.

    In general terms, I do not share anything truly personal on a public forum. So on FB I never upload pictures, I do not share places I visit, and I do not provide a phone number. I just use it to set up events like Birthdays or nights out. I do not use twitter, foursquare, pinterest, instagram, myspace or whatever social fad of the day happens to be. It could be that in my early thirties I'm becoming a technology Luddite, but then I was never denied a job because my *insert questionable behavior here* is posted all over the net.

    Google is a special case. I started using Gmail when getting invites was almost impossible, and Youtube when they were still independent. So giving up my Gmail account would be a VERY significant undertaking, especially since I couldn't come up with better alternatives (fast, supporting POP3, almost perfect uptime, and guaranteed not to shut down). But I never stay signed into Gmail outside checking my mail, I do not use G+, I stopped using YT while being logged in, and I search through DuckDuckGo. And if anyone can suggest a reliable email provider that is NOT Google, MS or Yahoo, I am all ears.

    Getting to specific platforms, on a Windows 7 PC, I use Seamonkey with Adblock Plus and No Script. I also block all third party cookies. I'm also considering adding Ghostery to the mix. This takes care of most of the trackers, cookies, ads, etc. I have not used Linux on a desktop in years, and I am yet to touch Windows 8, so I can't comment there. I also never share my location, although it's pretty braindead to find out where my IP is located anyway.

    On my smartphone, I run CyanogenMod without GApps, meaning no Google account, no PlayStore, no Google Maps, etc. You get the idea. Every single app on my phone is installed from F-Droid. I have a fully functional, OSS book reader (Cool Reader), browser (Firefox with Adblock Plus), map application (rmaps), email client (k-9). So my phone is fully functional for my needs without any connection to the Google servers. As before, I never share my location which on a smartphone does make a difference.

    This is pretty much what I've done to avoid Big Data without using any functionality and giving up only a bit of convenience. Any suggestions for improvements are more than welcome.

  12. Privacy? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anything I care to keep private, I don't put on the internet. That's about it.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Privacy? by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anything I care to keep private, I don't put on the internet. That's about it.

      The facebook spy system encourages others to post everything they know about you. People do that without any understanding of what they are giving away for themselves or for people they know.

      This is bad from the simple example of so called friends making sure criminals know when I'm on holiday as well as my home address, to corrupt government spooks having access to everything that anyone ever wrote about me as well as a stream of up to date pictures.

    2. Re:Privacy? by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Solution: Don't have friends.

      Or have the kind of friends that are not government spies. It's sad that the NSA's lawless actions make anyone that paranoid.

  13. Re:Unplug. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So you plan on never going to the doctor. Never getting a job. No girlfriend. Never walking down a city street. Never owning a car. Never renting or owning a place to live. Oh, and groceries...

    Slashdotters don't do any of these things. Especially not the job or the girlfriend or leaving the basement.

  14. Is it worth protecting? by ohnocitizen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That is the question I'd like to start with. Because I'd answer yes it is. I don't want my identity stolen, my economic future decided by whether my boss sees a photo a friend of a friend of mine posted 5 years ago to a social networking site I didn't join, or my emails to my ex-girlfriend read by anyone other than me or her. So if it is worth protecting, then when we realize "how can you protect your privacy" is really broken up into subdomains, and for many of those the answer is "right now you cannot", we have motivation to then ask "how can we change that?".

    1. Re:Is it worth protecting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many reasons for privacy, and why it is important:

      1: Some US DAs are looking for anything they can prosecute. The more beds they keep full in the jails, the more campaign donations likely from private prison corporations. For example, one DA in a nearby town who got a search warrant on a cell provider, found e911 data of anyone in a public park between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM, then had a mass criminal trespass arrest performed. If I remember right (likely there were appeals), all people were convicted because all the DA had to prove that they had their cellphone on them at the time, and all got jail time (where I live, the judges rubber stamp the max sentence, as they court the private prison campaign funds too.)

      2: Ex-es and stalkers.

      3: Criminals. If you think gangbangers are dumb, think again. Even they will set their .40 by their computer and make deals online (pay some offshore firm a fraction of a BitCoin, the firm sends schedules of when people are not at home, how many guns, if any, that person owns, presence/absence of an alarm, and perhaps the types of locks on the doors.) Home invasions are a big thing these days (life for a burglary versus life for a home invasion... same punishment, so the bad guys go for the rush of jacking people.) Some stuff put on a YouTube channel might get one facing the business end of some meth-head's pistol after the door is kicked down (and trust me, most US "gun nuts" would be doing nothing but pissing their pants if a real gang member actually bothered to kick their door down. Most of the tough talkers have little to no training other than paper, and in reality, it would take them too long for them to grab their piece, and have it readied before the gangbanger has their sawed off 12 gauge pointed in their direction.)

      Privacy can be a life or death thing, especially with the fact that police protection in the US tends to be reactive (manning 911, sending officers to a scene) rather than proactive (officers on patrol to notice anything amiss.)

  15. Don't use "free" services by Neelix21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main thing I do to protect my privacy is not to use "free" services, such as Gmail, Hotmail for personal email. I maintain my own server which has a mailserver installed. This means that no-one except me (and anyone who manages to break in) can just access my email.
    I live in the Netherlands where ISPs are forced to keep "traffic records" of me. Because I'm an academic I get to use the academic ISP, which is not bound by that law, at least for Internet traffic. But having my own mailserver means that also my my email traffic is not monitored and can not be requested by the police. Furthermore, having your own mailserver and domain also makes it very easy to compartmentalise service subscriptions. Just make a new email address for each service.

    I used to use Google Calendar, and Contacts but stopped with that since I discovered that OwnCloud is a really decent private drop-in replacement that you can host yourself.

    I use many different privacy plugins (Ghostery, Adblock, etc.), while being aware that this makes my browser ID somewhat unique and identifiable. At least I'm making it harder for them.

    --
    Don't worry, it's all just 1's and 0's anyway...
    1. Re:Don't use "free" services by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      You can use FireGloves to make your browser much less identifiable...I'll warn you though, it increases the PITA factor significantly.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    2. Re:Don't use "free" services by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      I think spammers are smart enough to evade that trick.

      --
      If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
    3. Re:Don't use "free" services by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      The main thing I do to protect my privacy is not to use "free" services

      All search engines are "free" services.

      --
      If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
    4. Re:Don't use "free" services by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      You can also compartmentalise subscriptions with + in the email address.

      I think spammers are smart enough to evade that trick.

      You might think so, but many are not. In fact, the + often breaks the scripts or programs used by spammers -- my mailserver receives emails to addresses that are created by taking "<myname>+" off the local part of the address leaving only what was after the "+".

      --
      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    5. Re:Don't use "free" services by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What we really need is a distributed and anonymous (TOR or i2p based?) search engine.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    6. Re:Don't use "free" services by Neelix21 · · Score: 1

      I meant "free" services which store your data for you. As for search engines, there are now options which are more privacy friendly such as DuckDuckGo and others.

      --
      Don't worry, it's all just 1's and 0's anyway...
    7. Re:Don't use "free" services by antdude · · Score: 1

      Even non-free services can't be trusted. :(

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  16. If you can't beat them, join them by h00manist · · Score: 1

    It's been deemed acceptable to gather data on the entire population - though still illegal.
    Proportionally, it's acceptable to gather data on everyone in any position of power. Though still illegal.
    It's the only way to even the game.

    --
    Build your own energy sources from scratch. http://otherpower.com/
  17. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by koona · · Score: 1

    > And if anyone can suggest a reliable email provider that is NOT Google, MS or Yahoo, I am all ears. ========= Give these guys a try: https://www.fastmail.fm/

  18. I don't use my real name. by ugglybabee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't use my real name on the internet. This is no small thing, because Facebook will throw you off their network for using a fake name, and while I find facebook to be ubelievably drab and awful, I suffer a penalty in relationships from not being on it, since nearly everybody I know has some kind of presense on Facebook, I'd rather not trust the NSA with my personal information, but since i am not a criminal, the potential negative consequences involved are finite. I could be harassed for my views, though they're not particularly extreme, or falsely accused of a crime, But there are a billion people on the internet, and they've got a billion agendas, and i know from experience that some of them can truly be evil motherfuckers. There's no sense in trying to measure or aniticipate what can happen, what they're going to individually decide or figure out. I'm probably safe. I'm a 55 year old male with not much money. Nobody's going to want to stalk me for anything, but I refuse to participate in this crazy experiment whereby we turn down the privacy settings for civilization, and see who thrives, and who gets hurt. Zuck you, Fuckerberg!

    1. Re:I don't use my real name. by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      I just imagine that there are hundreds of Zuckerbergs that didn't make it to the top, and now suffer themselves from privacy violations by big corporations.

      --
      If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
    2. Re:I don't use my real name. by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Same as the OP. I've never used my real name on the Internet except when making purchases, which you really can't avoid unless you make all your purchases in-person from local businesses. Granted, it only gives you a layer of protection for your privacy; law enforcement or persons/organizations with resources could still discover who you are and where you are. If you want 100% protection of your privacy from prying eyes on the Internet, then you have to never have used the Internet in the first place, and even then there might be online databases that have your in-real-life information anyway.

      --
      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  19. Depends on your fears by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Worried about governments?

    All data leaks eventually.

    Your best bet is a thick layer of data that defines you as normal, therefore boring.

    Worried about ID thieves?

    Try to minimize the number of online retailers you do business with, or credit cards you have - but do keep at least one throwaway card it's really easy to just drop in case it's taken over, for transactions you don't quite trust.

    Worried about purchases being tracked back to you? Use cash.

    Basically it's not good enough to be worried about "privacy", the term is too all encompassing. Instead start to think about who exactly you are worried about getting what and minimize that risk.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Depends on your fears by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Your best bet is a thick layer of data that defines you as normal, therefore boring.

      The feds thought Asimov was "interesting,", a guy who only could have been more "boring" if his ancestors came from England instead of Russia. Are you sure it's possible to be "boring?"

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    2. Re:Depends on your fears by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it's possible to be "boring?"

      From a data perspective, absolutely, if you work hard at it.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  20. Yes, there is privacy... by rusty0101 · · Score: 2

    ...at least in this day and age. The trick is to remember that any information that is recorded to any form of media, can be stolen, copied, or given away. If you want to maintain something in privacy, it can't leave your head. You can't write it down, or draw, or paint the idea. You can't make a tape of it or a video of it. You can't say it to your lover or spouse.

    Of course that makes it incredibly difficult to act on what you maintain in privacy, but that is more of a problem of getting others to work with you in suport of that idea.

    There is a presumption of privacy codified in law, however that presumption does not seem to be all that relavent to our current state of govornment or business, so you are pretty much stuck with what you can control. At the moment that's pretty much restricted to what's in your head.

    No, I'm not much happy with that either.

    --
    You never know...
  21. No backdoors in encryption by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everything Snowden released has shown that the NSA doesn't have magical ways to break modern encryption. They rely on strong-arming various organizations and hacking vulnerable systems.

    1. Re:No backdoors in encryption by gmuslera · · Score: 2

      Tor and Bitcoin seemed to be particulary resistant to their efforts (other encryption protocols, not so much), but your ecosystem is not just your network, sites you visit could be used to plant backdoors in your system (and if your browser is safe enough, what about your flash player?).

      This is not just about privacy, is also about having installed in your pc/network government's malware under the control of criminals (that work/had worked for the government or bought it from one of them)

    2. Re:No backdoors in encryption by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Thats always been the NSA/GCHQ way. They get to the US/UK brand, leadership, developer and ensure their tame firm always wins.
      Price, gov support, removing real competition, giving 2-3 "selections" internationally.
      The method that they can turn to plain text or track or decode becomes the standard. No need to break anything if the world uses your code generation after foolish generation :)

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:No backdoors in encryption by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      They are not gods, they are bound to the same laws of physics as everyone else.

      They can't break strong encryption. They can break light encryption at a heavy cost in time and equipment just like anyone else can.

  22. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by vux984 · · Score: 1

    Real men host their mail themselves.

    Anti-Spam, anti-virus, blacklists, security updates, and dealing with shit when it goes wrong? ... and it only costs me a fiver to sign up for that grief?

    Most real men have better things to do than administer a personal email server.

    And to what end? When most of the personal email I get is from other people with gmail/hotmail/outlook/yahoo/or major ISP addresses... so the 'other half' of every conversation is just wide open anyway.

    For most of us in that boat, we might as well just use gmail or whatever with imap and pgp or something with as many people as you can. (Makes the web client worthless... but if you can't read it on the web client, neither can google or anyone else.

  23. One more by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Worried about someone finding your child-porn stash?

    Don't store it with Google

    Basically a lot of the answers to how to avoid "X" would be, don't store that with Google.

    It's a rough question though as I have to say I'm OK with Google poking through Picasa in order to catch a real child molester.

    Basically I've always assumed myself that anything marked "private" and uploaded to a server I do not control, means it is for my eyes only - plus the eyes of every admin on the system.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:One more by pjtp · · Score: 1

      It's a rough question though as I have to say I'm OK with Google poking through Picasa in order to catch a real child molester.

      Right, that's a fair statement and I respect your stance; however, I ask you, how many liberties would you give up to protect the children?

      You say you would let Google go through your photos... What about your email? What about your documents, your phone calls, your home. How about the government bring you in for questioning once and a while, just to make sure you are a good citizen... Where does it stop? Where do you draw the line and say "no more".

      Our rights are being slowly eroded away, all while politicians are waving the terrorist or paedophilia flags in front of us.

    2. Re:One more by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      You say you would let Google go through your photos... What about your email? What about your documents, your phone calls, your home. How about the government bring you in for questioning once and a while, just to make sure you are a good citizen... Where does it stop? Where do you draw the line and say "no more".

      That's a slippery slope fallacy, and it can go the other way as well. What if we keep police from looking for (whatever criminal), then it spreads and pretty soon no criminal will ever be stopped. We will live in a society of lawlessness because people can do whatever they want without fear of retribution.

      It sounds silly, but so does your argument. "If you take the tasers away from policemen, soon enough there will be no policemen."

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:One more by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      You say you would let Google go through your photos... What about your email?

      I agree with you about liberties.

      But it is naive to think email or photos stored with someone else will not be scanned. We already know Google does this "for the purpose of advertising", and given what they have done with the photos it's not a far step to think they also scan for a few choice keywords at least...

      I am with you on most "for the children" things being bunk, but I also realize you cannot realistically make it so that data you store on someone else's server cannot be read. To make that illegal is just not practical or realistic. So I am OK with that information being scanned for whatever reason they chose because you inherently gave up total privacy by not storing that data locally.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  24. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    Give these guys a try: Your own dam server that you control.

  25. Re:A few things... by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    faraday cage cell phone case

    Just take the battery out. Physically remove it. Or if you want to be 110% sure don't carry a phone at all, it's not like it's law that you have to carry one.

  26. Re:ALWAYS BE PARANOID by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't use windows. Even if you don't believe the NSA backdoored windows the NSA do get every bug alert long before anyone else does. They also have no problem using script kiddie tactics.

    Using windows is like storing your data in a transparent bag in full view of the world.

  27. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 2

    I use Seamonkey with Adblock Plus and No Script. I also block all third party cookies. I'm also considering adding Ghostery to the mix. This takes care of most of the trackers, cookies, ads, etc.

    Not Ghostery -- it has a dubious mission and works by parsing lists that are growing longer by the week. Try the Request Policy extension for Firefox. Request Policy is simpler. It blocks off-site requests and shows you a list of what each site is requesting. You'll learn just how much tracking is happening and you may begin to avoid sites that you used to trust.

    The latest Firefox has a "click to play" feature. Type "about:config" and search for "click_".

    I have not used Linux on a desktop in years, and I am yet to touch Windows 8, so I can't comment there.

    I prefer Linux on my desktop in every way. Just don't buy Nvidia and Broadcom hardware. Linux provides the tools that show exactly what your computer is doing. Debian 7 is excellent.

    Windows 8, like ChromeOS, ties your computer to an e-mail account. Stay away.

    --
    Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
  28. Re:Unplug. by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's the thing:

    There are two levels of private here. There's keeping things private from potential employers, friends, family, associates and so on and there's keeping things private from the NSA, GCHQ, Chinese Government and so on. The average guy or girl has absolutely no hope of keeping their online dealings private from the latter. From the former, you don't so much keep them private as be a bit circumspect when making use of the internet, your mobile phone and so on.

    So far over the last 10 years I've had 1 credit card attempted theft (tried to transfer £4,000 out of it, bank caught it as "suspect" so it didn't happen) and I've had 2 email accounts hacked and used to send spam. Of the latter, the problem was weak passwords. I now have a "system" for passwords and none are weak, but that doesn't mean the NSA and GCHQ can't still read them. I have no intention of fighting a room full of Mathematics PhDs for my data.

    Even if you get the NSA to stop doing this through political action, the Chinese, Russians and so on will still be doing it.

  29. This is relative. by inkrypted · · Score: 1

    I use a very customized m0n0wall running on some older hardware I had laying around. Multiple VPN connections and the biggest factor of all I am not on Facebook blabbing about the mondane details of my everyday life.

    --
    Chris Sheppard
  30. Some good tips by jones_supa · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Here's some nice tips which won't ultimately solve the problem but which will greatly improve your privacy.

    1) Use common sense. Try to imagine which routes your data will take and which providers will it meet. Will those parties snoop on your data (datamining or wiretapping)? What kind of privacy policies do they have?

    2) Use encryption in as many places as you can. HTTPS and IMAPS are good start.

    3) Do not put important data into services provided by Google, Facebook or other datamining companies. If possible, switch your e-mail account from GMail to your home country ISP or other locally produced service.

    4) Consider using Tor for crucial communications. If you need maximum safety, do not send your message through Internet and all.

    5) If you need maximum safety, use an open source operating system. For example, NSA may have talked in backdoors to Windows and OSX.

    1. Re:Some good tips by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Not just your operating system, this site gives you safer alternatives for most of what you use.

      And maybe could be interesting to put your perimeter apps in disposable/restorable boxes, either vms with snapshots or containers, so even if they are hacked you have an easy restore point or even detection that it happened.

    2. Re:Some good tips by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      6) Insert noise into the system. Perform searches that have nothing to do with you. Tag yourself in photos that do not contain you. Tag your photos with another person's name, etc.

      --
      If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
  31. What's DNTPlus? Is it free software? by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 1

    I can't find DNTPlus.

    I found something similar-sounding on addons.mozilla.org, called DoNotTrackMe, but it's proprietary software so there's no way I'd trust it with my privacy.

    (I'm also looking for a free software alternative to Ghostery if anyone has suggestions.)

    1. Re:What's DNTPlus? Is it free software? by MoonFog · · Score: 1

      Yes that's the one, it changed name a while ago. I would prefer an OS solution as well, but I prefer DNT to Ghostery due to Ghostery's shady dealings.

    2. Re:What's DNTPlus? Is it free software? by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 1

      > Ghostery's shady dealings.

      Seems I'm out of the loop. Got a link?

    3. Re:What's DNTPlus? Is it free software? by davsi · · Score: 1

      Here's one discussion, FWIW:
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1200206

  32. Government doesn't bother me by grumbel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The government snooping around doesn't bother me all that much, as while it might be a waste of money, it really doesn't affect me. It's just dead data sitting around on some NSA server. There is more interesting stuff to read then my email. What I am bothered by is the leaking of private data that happens all over the place, things like the people you follow on Twitter or Youtube being publicly visible information. Why exactly does every modern social webpage treat what are essentially bookmarks as public information and publishes it to the world? Why is everybody just accepting that and not complaining about? You can't even switch it off most of the time. I find that incredible annoying and avoid any service that does that when I can. I don't have much of a problem with my information being out there, but at the very least a service should make it very clear what kind of information is public and what is private and modern services don't really do that.

    Another thing I have a real issue with is the starting pervasiveness of requiring real life authentication to log into a webpages. Mobile phone numbers started as just a way to get your password back, but now quite a few webpages are requiring them and Google+ and Facebook have their real name requirements. Furthermore there are more and more webpages that only allow you to access them via your Facebook or Twitter login, not via a webpage specific account. So once Facebook or Google switching on the requirement for a mobile phone number or real name and enforce that, that means your real life identity is linked to a ton of a webpages and you can't stop that from happening unless you completely avoid that webpage, as even Tor doesn't give you a free anonymous mobile phone number.

    1. Re:Government doesn't bother me by dido · · Score: 1

      The government snooping around doesn't bother me all that much, as while it might be a waste of money, it really doesn't affect me. It's just dead data sitting around on some NSA server.

      Until the day that Grumbel decides to run for Congress, on a platform of returning the protections guaranteed by the Constitution against the encroachments of the NSA. All sorts of "dead data" suddenly comes to life out of context like so many zombies.

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    2. Re:Government doesn't bother me by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      The government snooping around doesn't bother me all that much, as while it might be a waste of money, it really doesn't affect me.

      Yeah, it doesn't affect you (Well, it affects your freedoms, but those are worthless, so who cares?), so it doesn't matter. If the government uses all this data to abuse other people, it doesn't matter since it's not happening to you. The fact that the government can change the rules, misinterpret the data, and use it to harass virtually anyone doesn't matter at all.

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    3. Re:Government doesn't bother me by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Well, it affects your freedoms, but those are worthless, so who cares?

      It's not the data that affects my freedom, it's the laws and regulations of the government that do that.

      The fact that the government can change the rules, misinterpret the data, and use it to harass virtually anyone doesn't matter at all.

      Misinterpreting the data is what I would consider a minor annoyance. Sure it will happen, but it's not like not collecting the data would magically stop the SWAT team from knocking on the wrong door. Mistakes happen and if anything, data provides a way to reduce them.

    4. Re:Government doesn't bother me by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      It's not the data that affects my freedom, it's the laws and regulations of the government that do that.

      No. The data was obtained illegally, so it does affect your freedoms.

      Misinterpreting the data is what I would consider a minor annoyance.

      Oh, really? Cops have busted into the wrong houses while looking for drugs and killed people. I assure you that government thugs are more than capable of ruining your life by mistake.

      Sure it will happen, but it's not like not collecting the data would magically stop the SWAT team from knocking on the wrong door.

      It would stop some of it, because then they'd have less data to misinterpret and act on.

      Mistakes happen and if anything, data provides a way to reduce them.

      Ridiculous. It is the data that will give them something to misinterpret. We've already seen how the government misinterprets jokes, so why would you think more data would help? These people don't understand you, your sense of humor, or anything else.

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    5. Re:Government doesn't bother me by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      " Why exactly does every modern social webpage treat what are essentially bookmarks as public information and publishes it to the world? Why is everybody just accepting that and not complaining about?"

      The human mind did not evolve in the age of the internet. The internet doesn't raise any red flags, most people reveal EXTREMELY personal things in search engines. I'm sure you'd find out a lot of interesting things about everyone that no one ever really wanted known to the whole world by looking at peoples search terms and web histories.

      The internet largely creates dis-inhibition in its users because it *seems* private because you are *at home*. Many people don't understand that the internet is a public place and every-time you use it you're leaving a trail everyone with an ounce of power can track.

      For instance if facebook employee's started phoning people based on their facebook profile and harassing them with ads, people would start to pay attention to this whole privacy thing.

    6. Re:Government doesn't bother me by swillden · · Score: 1

      the people you follow on Twitter or Youtube being publicly visible information

      FYI, the people you follow in YouTube is not publicly-visible unless you set it that way. That's not the default.

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    7. Re:Government doesn't bother me by grumbel · · Score: 1

      They may have changed it in one of their redesigns, but for a long time your subscription list was public. You could disable it from your profile, but even then that info was still available in the channels list of subscribers. Does the owner still get a mail when you subscribe to his channel? Either way, that's basically the point, it's quite unclear what gets shared and with whom.

  33. I don't care by Sigvatr · · Score: 1

    My idea of privacy is closing the window whenever I watch porn. I don't want to deal with my neighbors complaining to me about having to listen to loud screaming creampies. I don't give a fuck that the Illuminati looks at my browsing history, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

  34. Re:Not on FB? Are .you sure? by mrbester · · Score: 1

    There are no pictures of me on the internet. Or, if there are, I have been unable to find them. You can't tag what doesn't exist.

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  35. In Soviet Russia, Comrades can always find YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    It is just why I always insist that any so-called Crypto Phone Program is basically worthless since any of them does nothing to hide a FACT of communication between specific persons. The 3-letter agencies need not know the conversation itself since they can always torture it out of your correspondent.

    Now, I see some developments in this direction but all of them are quite far from fruition since every really anonymous protocol is by definition slow.

  36. Re:A few things... by namgge · · Score: 2

    ... don't carry a phone at all, it's not like it's law that you have to carry one.

    Yet.

  37. In Soviet Russia your TV watches YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't have anything the NSA is interested in.

    It's correctable. Just ask your congressman to make your everyday activity punishable. Here in Russia I read about 3 reports per day about people punished due to use of social networks to publish dissent with official national policy.

  38. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Very nice in theory, but having administered an Internet-facing mail system myself that quickly becomes a real pain in the butt. It's not as simple as slapping together Postfix and Cyrus IMAP or whatever and setting up your DNS records. Administering an Internet-facing mail system can very quickly become a full-time job if you want the mail system to be anything approximating usable. Spammers will see to that.

  39. In Soviet Russia, the Party will find YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    Since it isn't obvious, there are two ways that VPNs help:

    (1) They mix your traffic in with everybody else using the same proxy -

    Once upon a time when the trees were green I logged to some VPN. Then I found the output proxy address of this VPN and entered

    $ ssh this_address

    - and logged into my own system. It means that this specific proxy does NOT mix any traffic. And BTW I don't fear NSA which supervises this VPN, I fear only The Party. And also if you think that The Party cannot separate your traffic from the mix - you are wrong.

  40. Re:I don't care (so much) as long as (fillinfodder by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    You should take it on yourself to educate them. Tell them about cheap VPN services and how easy they are to set up. I even give people cheap flash drives I bought of eBay and loaded with a portable version of the Tor browser bundle. I'm trying to figure out if a portable VM with Tails is possible.

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  41. In Soviet Russia, Windows looks from YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    If you believe that anti-virus and security updates are really needed then you possibly believe that the program should have .exe extension to be executable. Throw away this belief. After this your only problem will be spam. And it's quite easy to fight. You just tell your important correspondents to include some keyword to header and tune your mail client to mark it as NOT SPAM. Every other mail is sorted by built-in spam filter of your client.

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia, Windows looks from YOU! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      If you believe that anti-virus and security updates are really needed then you possibly believe that the program should have .exe extension to be executable. Throw away this belief.

      The security updates are for the server itself. If you think its ok to run a mail server and not be paying attention to security updates. Well ... "Throw away this beleif." :)

      As for anti-virus; sure I can handily automatically strip out executable from anyone not on a white list I suppose.

      After this your only problem will be spam.

      99% of the mail hitting the server even. When I used to run a personal mail server, I ran two, an inbound gateway in one VM, and then the actual mail server in the other.

      The gateway did all the public receiving, antivirus, spam scoring, etc.

      If the public facing gateway got hacked or flooded with spam, or denial of serviced, or something else went side ways on it I liked the separation. While my actual mail continued to work. (at least for access, calendar, etc, uninterupted... it was just cleaner that way.)

      Anyhow, I spent more time maintaining gateway (far more than the actual mail server), tuning it for spam, than it was worth.

      And it's quite easy to fight.

      No its not.

      You just tell your important correspondents to include some keyword to header and tune your mail client to mark it as NOT SPAM.

      Or I can just whitelist them. Same amount of work for me to tell them all some magic key, or just add them to a list. And far less work for them.

      Every other mail is sorted by built-in spam filter of your client.

      What? Like thunderbird? Or my smartphone? Yeah, no. I want the spam dealt with before my client software sees it, especially my smartphone.

      And besides, spam is not the only problem left...

      Idiots with SPF records that don't match what they are doing is still a problem. I can't count how many times some idiot would configure their SPF record to only authorize mail from their designated server, and then setup up their smartphone to pickup their mail via IMAP from the office, but send outgoing mail via Verizon Wireless SMTP...

      Their problem right... not mine. Well, "everyone else still gets their mail" .. so its "my problem", with my wierd personal mail server that's just doing what THEY specified it do with THEIR mail. I could just ignore SPF, but its actually pretty decent when its setup right.

      Then there's the blackhole lists, if your IP is on one, its a pain in the ass. In my case, it was bad enough that I had outbound mail relay through the ISP for the majority of my mail. (If its going to gmail or hotmail or yahoo or comcast.net ... My ISP can pull it off the wire if they want it anyway, and its not like anything I send to someone on gmail is truly private. So relaying through my ISP's mail server isn't any worse.

      At the end of the day though, the biggest reason I dropped hosting my own mail -- I wanted push mail, calendar and contact sync with my phone. google's sync was seamless and free, and at the time, OSS solutions sucked ass (Zimbra community edition (what I was using at the time) didn't support mobile phones, you had to move into a paid product...). I honestly don't know if they've gotten better since then -- except I know the company itself has changed hands at least once... it was several years ago now.

      In any case, it wasn't a huge amount of work, but what I had didn't do smartphones well, I had to upgrade Zimbra periodically for security updates, webclient browser support/updates, along with various bits on the gateway. It added up to a lot of time for something supporting just me and my wife's mailboxes.

      Right now my personal domain is at outlook.com; i don't love it, but I don't hate it. The smartphone app isn't great, but its reliable, and calendar and contact sync all work. I picked outlook because it was free, and I already use google for search and maps, and figured I'd give someone else my email, google has enough on me as it is.

    2. Re:In Soviet Russia, Windows looks from YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      "The security updates are for the server itself. If you think its ok to run a mail server and not be paying attention to security updates. Well ... "Throw away this beleif." :)"

      Yes, I do according to security _advisories_ for my system which I check regularly. The last time I did so was 10 years ago. If YOUR server needs security updates more often - maybe it's executable has .exe extension?

    3. Re:In Soviet Russia, Windows looks from YOU! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I do according to security _advisories_ for my system which I check regularly.

      I'm curious what mail server you run that goes 10 years without a security update and is simultaneously capable of shared calendar sync with a smartphone from 2010, or supports webmail using web browsers from this decade instead of Netscape and IE5.

      I guess I could run your server, wouldn't have to update it much, or I could just turn it off and save the electricity. Or perhaps your server doesn't do anything useful to me.

      I want a lot more features than a pop3 mailbox from 1997.

      If YOUR server needs security updates more often - maybe it's executable has .exe extension?

      I ~already~ said I was running zimbra community edition.

      That was on CentOS since that was one of the officially supported platform (well RHEL). The gateway was Debian, because I generally prefer Debian.

      But hey whatever, take shots at windows if it makes you feel special. I do have a windows 7 pro box as my main desktop.

      An air gapped commodore 64 might be more secure, and there hasn't been a security advisory in over a decade... but it doesn't do anything useful for me either. :p

    4. Re:In Soviet Russia, Windows looks from YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

      We just talk about different things. You mentioned SECURITY updates. Not bug corrections, not feature requests - SECURUTY updates. And when I answered that security updates are quite rare thing if you use an Operating System - you changed the theme to feature requests (you need Webmail and smartphone sync).

    5. Re:In Soviet Russia, Windows looks from YOU! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      And when I answered that security updates are quite rare thing if you use an Operating System

      I said "server updates". Where the operating system ends and applications begin is a fairly arbitrary distinction; most would probably would count any IIS related security updates on as Windows Server "operating system" updates, while one might not be so quick to call Apache or Tomcat security updates out as "Operating System" related. And in any case, Apache and Tomcat have both seen several security updates over the last decade; as has Zimbra.

      Your are right that I also had to do more updates related to getting features and non-security related bug fixes, but even if we just looked at security related updates, it was not an uncommon event.

      you changed the theme to feature requests (you need Webmail and smartphone sync

      I mentioned those features, not so much to change the theme of the argument, but because the features I wanted were modern and public facing on the server, so more defects and security flaws are expected than they would be in more staid well established services.

  42. Re: Unplug. by shikaisi · · Score: 1

    I have a job and two girlfriends (one three year relationship one four year relationship - both still going strong).

    I hope they don't find out about each other.

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  43. Security by obscurity? by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 2

    Security by obscurity is never a good thing. Basically, if you think that your door will never be kicked down because THEY don't know about your belongings - you are wrong. Your door should never be kicked down because it's strong enough. And while they kick you should have enough time either to shoot or to exfiltrate.

    You live in your cardboard and sheetrock cabins - and think it's normal. The normal building is at least wooden one where you need a chainsaw to enter. Here in Russia the Police needs about a hour and a grinding machine to enter an apartment against owner's will.

  44. In Soviet Russia, Borings Normalize YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 1

    Your best bet is a thick layer of data that defines you as normal, therefore boring.

    You don't live in a country where normal is punishable.

  45. Move away from US services; use encryption by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Three things:

    - I am making an effort - both privately, and for the companies I consult with, to move away from US-based services. This is a long-term strategy, as changing company infrastructure can take time.

    - Encrypt everything. It take a bit of work, but you can set up encryption so that it is transparent to the casual user. Just as an example, with EncFS you can automatically and transparently encrypt data you store in the cloud. The user sees the unencrypted version, but the encrypted version is synchronized with the cloud.

    - Teach people about password managers like KeePass. Get people to use long, cryptographically difficult passwords. Bonus points: copy-paste out of a password manager eliminates over-the-shoulder observation, keyloggers, passwords written on post-its, etc.

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  46. Wrong question - it's not about our privacy by nmnilsson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on, you're asking the wrong question!
    The sun doesn't revolve around you or me.
    Those here who answer "I don't care" are halfway right.
    None of us will be betrayed by Google or Amazon - that's bad business.
    NSA won't post your private stuff or steal your money - they just want to do their job, damn the consequences.

    However, after the next economic depression and mass unemployment, or after the next great war,
    when we elect our Führers, or support revolutions ending in a totalitarian states,
    they will find it convenient that our governments have built the infrastructure for their tyranny.

    To answer the question that your should have asked:
    * Voice your opinion.
    * Support EFF https://www.eff.org/action and similar organisations.
    * Contact your representative.
    * Vote with your head and your heart - not your wallet.

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    1. Re:Wrong question - it's not about our privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To answer the question that your should have asked:
      * Voice your opinion.
      * Support EFF https://www.eff.org/action and similar organisations.
      * Contact your representative.
      * Vote with your head and your heart - not your wallet.

      Those are good ones, but not immediately effective. So you should do those and encrypt your traffic.

  47. The net belongs to them by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    1. Fill your ISP logs with TrackMeNot http://cs.nyu.edu/trackmenot/
    2. Know the US brands that willingly and knowingly helped the NSA and run any different OS/file systems.
    3. Learn to think like a protester in 1980's Eastern Europe. Just keep been political active and know its all been filed, linked, watched, tracked, logged.....
    Voice print, face scanning, OS, telco, ISP, cell tower tracking .. how many millions is been created/printed and spent on overtime and "cleared" contractors per person
    4. Pay for other brands that are more privacy aware.

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  48. Re:Unplug. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Exactly. If a state actor is interested in you, they'll target and exploit you no matter what you do. If they're not intested in you, you don't need to worry. 99.999% of people are in the latter group.

  49. Personal Cloud by Ptur · · Score: 2

    My current solution is: - NAS (QNAP) at home with various apps - Exposure towards the internet is SSH, VPN and https (with self-signed certificate) The only weakness in this scheme is possible flaws in SSH, OpenVPN or SSL. Ignoring those, whatever I do remotely on my NAS is for my eyes only. Accessed through either my smartphone (n900) or debian based linux systems.

  50. Citizens of USA by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    What do you 'muricans plan to do about the problem? Why are you already not starting a revolution to turn down NSA?

    1. Re:Citizens of USA by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Resist, lobby congress, join the EFF and start to use techniques to minimize exposure. Also push on your locally elected officials to enact a privacy first approach in their dealings because they're the ones who approve license plate scanners, red light/speed cameras and other little conveniences to generate revenue. In my city we've outlawed red light cameras but the police have license scanners on a lot of their cars, so we're working to get deletion/retention policies enacted. Also, de-Google and de-Facebook your friends and family. Get them off the "rewards programs" that stores use to track you and your purchases and tell them to put their cell phone/toll tags anti-RF bags when not in use. Besides for the toll issues they have license plate readers anyway so just keep the tag out of the vehicle or in the bag.

      It's a start.

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  51. I don't... by jevring · · Score: 1

    I just can't be bothered. I try to maintain some sort of security w.r.t my accounts, but int he end, there's no stopping the avalanche. I've given up. They already have all my data.

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  52. propaganda by Tom · · Score: 3, Informative

    We've seen a lot of this propaganda in the past years and I refuse to believe it. What I mean is the attempt to spread a meme that says "post-privacy" or "privacy is done for anyways".

    Look who the proponents of this meme are. Always, always the people who want it to be the case - Zuckerberg, government spy units, advertisers.

    No, the battle isn't over while one side still fights. And there is quite a lot you can do to maintain your privacy. And like everywhere, there's a law of diminishing returns, which means the first steps, that bring you a ton of privacy back, are really, really easy.

    Step No. 1: Don't post all your life to Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Security researchers have demonstrated years ago how from that data alone they can create extensive profiles on you, including movement data that police would need a search warrent for your mobile provider for.

    Step No. 2: Keep your secrets secret. If you want to share them with someone because you just have to talk with someone about the guy you murdered last week, or the hot chick you cheated on your wife with last month, or how you really hate your grandma even though you always play nice at the family events because she's rich - or whatever is on your conscious, do it in person, face-to-face only.

    And that's about it. 80% of your privacy restored right there.

    Whine about the NSA all you want, but if I can reconstruct where and with whom you have been with at what time on which day from your social media data, the biggest threat to your privacy is yourself.

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  53. SPREAD IT AROUND by AndyCanfield · · Score: 1

    Use multiple vendors located in multiple countries. I use Google translate, which reports to the NSA. My e-mail is Yandex, which is in Moscow and reports to the KGB. The NSA and the KGB don't talk to each other. I can use a search engine in Europe which does not talk to either. Bejing is my next market to shop at; what does China offer in the way of Internet services? Everywhere you go there will be someone watching you, but if you travel around it is different watchers. The Internet is GLOBAL - spread your business among many vendors all over the world and no one knows all about you.

  54. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    I think even the Nvidia and Broadcom problem isn't so bad these days, I haven't had any trouble with their hardware in the last few years.

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  55. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by AndyCanfield · · Score: 1

    You said "And if anyone can suggest a reliable email provider that is NOT Google, MS or Yahoo, I am all ears.". Look into Yandex (www.yandex.com). It's located in Moscow. I have been using it for a year now. It seems reliable to me. And the most important thing to me is that Yandex does ***NOT*** report to the NSA.

  56. Re:I don't care (so much) as long as (fillinfodder by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Tell them about cheap VPN services and how easy they are to set up. I even give people cheap flash drives I bought of eBay and loaded with a portable version of the Tor browser bundle.

    By buying something off of eBay, you exposed more information then you could possibly hope to protect via a VPN and Tor.

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  57. Re:I don't care (so much) as long as (fillinfodder by houghi · · Score: 1

    So you teach them that it is ok to accept flash drives from others. Great.

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  58. Re:Unplug. by dhasenan · · Score: 2

    You live two lives. One is an ordinary, boring life that you don't mind the NSA finding out about. The other is as secretive as possible. No using credit cards. Nothing that requires ID. No flying, no buying alcohol.

    One obvious problem with this is withdrawing cash. You have your public life, and the NSA sees you going to an ATM and grabbing $450, then it sees a transaction for $447 with an unknown person -- that's evidence linking your private identity to your public one. This is ameliorated if your public identity has a habit of withdrawing extra cash and a means of disposing of extra cash in a publicly acceptable way, like giving it to beggars, but it's still present. If your private identity has an income, though, and that income is sufficient for its expenses, then you can have wholly separate finances for both, which severs that link entirely.

    A weaker link is one of location over time. Let's say the NSA can plot your public identity's location over time using things like bus pass usage, credit cards, phone calls, and security cameras with facial recognition, and they can plot your private identity's location over time using phone calls and security cameras. Eventually they'll realize that your private and public identities are occasionally colocated, or that whenever your public identity is in use your private has gone dark and vice versa.

    Of course, that only matters if it's worse for you if the NSA has linked your public and private lives than if they merely have the ability to detain you during the course of your private affairs.

  59. One simple method by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

    On Slashdot, I never post except as "Anonymous Coward". As you can see from the examples above, that prevents anyone from attributing my many contradictory, inane, and often foul opinions to my real pseudonym.

  60. Take the mobile phone battery out by andrew3 · · Score: 1

    I keep the battery out of my mobile phone when I'm not using it, which is 99% of the time. Apparently I am lucky to have a phone which makes it easy to do this. Various court releases, leaks, research papers and other publications suggest that mobile phones can easily be updated remotely by carriers (and maybe adversaries) to act as listening devices on command, which is why I do this.

    I also use multiple web browsers for different purposes (e.g. one for normal web browsing when I don't reveal my identity, another for a few logins, etc.), use Tor, avoid using "cloud computing", use only free (-as in freedom) software, use encryption where possible, keep up to date with security updates, encrypt traffic in my local network (I don't trust my D-Link router very much), etc.

    1. Re:Take the mobile phone battery out by andrew3 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and before anyone asks about the mobile phone paranoia, I should also add that some companies are already monetising your use of mobile phones and your movements. Expect this to become far more commonplace in the next few years.

  61. Re:ALWAYS BE PARANOID by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    ...

    Right, because they don't know about exploits for other OSes long before the developers do ... I mean, its not like they would watch the same shady back channels for Linux exploits as they do for Windows exploits ... oh, and Linux of course is universally immune to all attack vectors, past present and future because OMGBBQSOURCE.

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  62. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    And the most important thing to me is that Yandex does ***NOT*** report to the NSA.

    How do you know?

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  63. Re: Unplug. by fisted · · Score: 1

    Wow. At first you've got two strong-going long-term relationships, 109 minutes later you've married and dumped both.
    What a day!

  64. Re:A few things... by rwyoder · · Score: 1

    faraday cage cell phone case

    Just take the battery out. Physically remove it. Or if you want to be 110% sure don't carry a phone at all, it's not like it's law that you have to carry one.

    Try removing the battery from an iPhone.

  65. Re:Unplug. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    One is an ordinary, boring life that you don't mind the NSA finding out about.

    Perhaps, but they still collect the data, and store it away for later.

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  66. Re:Unplug. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    But pizza delivery will get them every time.

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  67. Re:A few things... by Kjella · · Score: 2

    Won't happen or it'd be illegal to forget to charge it or forget it at home. Assuming you want or need to be carrying it around most of the time it's more effective as a screening device, if you are going to a clandestine meeting and five others also happen to have their cell phones go dark at the same time that's a pattern, particularly if it repeats itself. If you're normally online it's probably better to leave it turned on at home, in which case they'd need to look for secondary clues you aren't actually there like number plate readers, CCTV, paying with plastic, facebook tagging, missed calls or collaborating data that you are there like power usage, internet traffic or whatever and start building statistics on how often you are where you appear to be.

    I'm not in the cloak-and-dagger business but I have worked on risk assessments on whether you can dig out of personal information out of statistical information and you need to be very careful on how you do that, subtracting a baseline often reveals a surprising amount about the rest. Like say you have a small town with 1000 people and you put in lots of safeguards if the numbers drop to <5 individuals. But if you can get numbers for New York + small town - that will all be big, then subtract New York you'll find that 102-100 = 2 people in that small town belong in that category. Imagine you started combining cell phone data with other data, okay there's your tax records on your work so that's you going to and from work. We have birth and marriage certificates on file, so that's you visiting relatives. That's a friend on Facebook, old classmate.

    And then there's something "left over", which is where you can start putting in the effort. Of course you can avoid that by meeting in public where there's lots of people, but you probably wouldn't want to hold a very private conversation nobody should hear there either. And if you keep your cell phones on because you are in public anyway, you can do clustering to find that the same people are meeting in the same place despite there being many other random signals there as well. Give people enough seemingly innocent data and they will dig up something you thought wasn't in there, I'm sure of it. At least I've seen people underestimate it time and time again, only to have to demonstrate it.

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  68. don't post by umafuckit · · Score: 1

    I don't post to internet fora. Not even under a pseudonym. If they know me well enough, they can figure out who I am from my alias. Oh. oops.

  69. People do get framed by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A few commenters have suggested that they have nothing to worry about because they let no "sensitive" information out onto the web.

    Sorry to break it to you, but the world is not fair. People are sometimes framed or kangaroo-ed into apearing guilty of something when they are clearly not (I have had it happen). Sometimes, various authorities need to catch someone to hang blame upon for some crime. I've even heard cops tell a public defender, "We know he didn't do it, but we know he's a bad kid, so we got him."

    Also, numerous (unregulated) consumer-monitoring agencies scrape up everything from public databases, buy lists from shops, service providers, your bank, your phone company, your credit card company, and your grocery "club card," sold subscriber lists, and so on. All of this data is correlated based on a few unique or semi-unique identifiers such as full name, SSN, phone number, credit card transaction number (it's illegal to track by CC #, but they get around this.), bank and account's last-four digits, addresses, and so on. This approach does produce some viable correlations, but typically yields "profiles" that are rife with errors.

    HR departments use reports from these aggregators as if they were 100% accurate. There is no law in place that will allow you to opt out, to see their entire file on you, or to correct errors. There are anecdotes of people searching months for a job, only to find out at some point from an interviewer that, "you have XXXXX crime in your profile," even if you don't have a record. I once had collection agencies coming after me from Time-Warner Cable for bills on a Texas account — I have never lived in Texas, but the burden of proof was on me.

    Despite what the aggregators would have everyone think, names are not unique. Phone numbers are not unique, as they are recycled. Email addresses are often not unique, as they are recycled.

    Like it or not, there are many profiles on you that are beyond your access, and the law has not yet caught up with these practices.

    Happy privacy!

  70. I have two states of privacy by msobkow · · Score: 1

    I have two states of privacy:
    1. Never leaves a machine that is never used to browse the internet, and
    2. Public

    I simply assume that any "privacy controls" on websites are useless and treat them as public postings, disabling most of the security along the way. Just like good ole' slashdot posts.

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  71. Overly optimistic? by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    It's true enough that the world doesn't revolve around you or me. "Government" is a lovely, abstract concept. The problem is: governments are made up of people. Individual people who can make mistakes or take deliberately evil actions. Like spying on ex-lovers, harassing disliked colleagues, or causing problems for companies that they don't like.

    The NSA overreach means that tens of thousands of people have access to data that should never have been collected. Can you be sure that you, your family and your friends - that no one you care about has ever pissed off any of those tens of thousands of people? That no one you care about ever will?

    It's bad enough that the government has access to this data, which might be misused officially. However, the real problems arise from the fact that the data exists: it can, will and already has been misused by individuals.

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  72. Re:Not on FB? Are .you sure? by StripedCow · · Score: 1

    How do you solve the tagging problem? Your friends get on FB, someone posts a photo of you, that person or someone else tags it with your name and possibly other info. How do you keep your friends from adding you to the FB collective?

    Wear a burqa. It's a remarkably effective technology invented by Muslims ages ago!

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  73. It's too late by careysb · · Score: 1

    Your personal information is accessible.

    • School
    • Military
    • Employment
    • Health
    • Financial
    • Communication: email, phone, internet, mail, social network, skype
    • Legal
    • Relationships
    • Purchases
    • Insurance
    • Driving: cameras, radar, black boxes, On-Star (etc)
    • Travel
    • TV watching, TV watching you
    • Surveillance
    • Current location of you or your electronics
    • Possibly live audio and video feeds
    • Anything you type or save to your computer or show on your screen and webcam
    • Biometrics: DNA, finger prints
  74. Oh you ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nice try, NSA.

  75. Re:Unplug. by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

    False positives is one problem. Do you want to have your life ruined by a database error caused by a PFY in a spook data centre?

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  76. In Iran... by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

    In Iran your'e ok untill they cannot read your fucking network traffic, since that moment you are under 24/7/365 surveillance.
    And As you can guess that ship has sank for me, So I have my own way of doing it now, which can be basically summerized like this:

    Use different airgapped computers with different keyboard layouts(as in dvorak, qwerty), different monitors, different OSs(linux, BSD, haiku), different CPU architectures(mips, arm, x86), different browsers(yes, it includes lynx) with different ISPs for differnt identities and use different encryption suits with different tunnels and or VPNs with servers in different counteries.
    I know It's hard, but once you live in Iran you get used to it.
    Hell I'm gonna change my coding and writing style on different PCs now.

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  77. Re:In Soviet United States your TV watches YOU! by Thor+Ablestar · · Score: 2

    Mne chto, pokryt' tebya russkim matom, chtoby ubedit' v obratnom? I know about LG Smart TV. I simply don't watch TV since there is pro-Putin propaganda and stupid serials specially crafted to make Putin's electorate more controllable. The only satisfactory channel is "Kultura".

    Soviet anecdote: Pet'ka comes to Chapaev (Chapaev was a famous Red commander during Civil war and a hero of lots of anecdotes).
    Chapaev: Pet'ka, why haven't you ironed your uniform?
    Pet'ka: This morning I turned on my radio and could receive nothing except translation of XXV Congress of Communist Party of the Soviet Union. I tried a TV and there was the Congress too. And I was afraid to turn on an iron.

    Hope you understand how we Russians love a TV.

    And the last. THEY will NOT monitor what I watch. If everything goes OK and our TV becomes at least as good as during Soviet era, with education programs, good cartoons for children a.s.o., I would watch it with DVB-2 receiver which never reports anything. If not, I'll watch P2P downloads which shall be untraceable due to efforts of your *AA to suppress everything traceable. Really, they are untraceable already.

  78. Download ALL the porn by russotto · · Score: 1

    I have a bot which goes into the various nasty parts of the web and grabs whatever's available, but erases it before it has a chance to make it into persistent storage. The NSA may think I'm a perv, but they'll never figure out which kind of perv.

  79. Anonymous by srobert · · Score: 1

    I always log out and post anonymously.

    Doh!...

  80. I protect the privacy that I can control by undeadbill · · Score: 1

    I can't control what providers do with my data. If my dentist sells my information to a marketing firm, and then that gets sold to someone looking at setting up new id's for people, I don't have much control over that. I also don't have a lot of control over how my phone can be used to track me (which is why I use it a lot less, and am going to be installing CyanogenMod to reduce that control footprint).

    What I can do are two things- put as much of my information under my direct control as possible, and make it easier for myself and others to continue doing so.

    I'm still migrating off of Google services. I didn't realize just how much they have taken over so many aspects of "making things easy". Looking back on it, it was naive to put things there, but at the time there really weren't any affordable services that offered me what I needed. If anything, the only reason I used Google for free was because there wasn't anything low cost and reliable that I could have used instead. That included self-hosting. And it wouldn't have mattered if I had everything in another cloud or vps, because it still would have been a US based service, and that means it would still have to migrate to a server in my home or on a vps in someplace like Switzerland. The end goal is to get everything important being served out of my home off of equipment that I have secured and verified, and to stop using external services (even the ones in places like Switzerland, because laws can and do change). I'm also no longer sharing services that I do host on my own, because I do not want to be considered an ISP for the purposes of receiving something like an NSL.

    The second thing is what is causing me to do this slowly. I'm critically looking at all the things that I need to do and use, and what I am finding to be really important and what isn't. I'm keeping track of my time in setting all of this up, and figuring out what is a time sink and what isn't. Going forward, I'm developing my own installation packages under my favorite OS to streamline my effort to make the hard things I've had to do easy for other people, and at some point I will probably contact a hardware shop that deals in small production runs of ARM microsystems and have a platform put together so I can make it easy for people just to "plug and play" darknet services. And, more importantly, I'm helping anyone out who is doing the same in whatever small ways that I can. It is one thing to tap the communications of most Americans and others in the world by working with willing partners (Google, MSoft, Apple, etc), it is quite another to try to monitor millions of systems that all have major differences and none of which are going to be open to cooperation.

  81. Start at the begining by koan · · Score: 1
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  82. Here's the list by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    I create a different email address for every web site I sign up to, and use different passwords and usernames. I have a Facebook account under my real name, but I post false information, false updates, and false photos by morphing four faces together and photoshopping it into the image. It's very easy to get those four faces at various angles because they are pictures of people in my extended family. My Facebook friends are all random people that accepted me for some reason. I clear my browser and use a different user agent for each of the sites I visit. Any other browsing is done in a private mode in a different browser on a per site basis and I rotate the browser, and this is in a VM that I refresh every day with a backup image. I also force https. I have two different VPN services I use based on the sites I want to visit.

  83. Re:Unplug. by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    I think you just described the uni bomber. Ted headed for the woods and gave up pretty much all normal modes of life. And the man was a genius with just a couple of surprising quirks.

  84. Re:Unplug. by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    There is opportunity in all things. When snoops gather information about you they also have the problem that they just might gather false information about you. That boomerang may be used in endless ways. Can you imagine a divorce in which a wife starts ranting to a judge that you have a doctorate in high energy chemistry from Georgia Tech. and refuse to take a job in your field that is super high paying to support your family under oath when in fact you have never spent a day at Georgia Tech.? In short by having people declare falsely you can destroy their credibility and you just might open them up to a devastating law suit.

  85. Fake Alias... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Everything I do online is based on a fake alias. airgapped from my real life. yes even my cellphone and internet is via a fake alias I pay for a second internet line to a neighbors house, then I ran my own wires back to mine buried. I asked for no paper billing and it's set to an automatic credit card payment.

    Works great.

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  86. Re:Unplug. by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 1

    Yes but then again, the more you lie, the more you have to remember. It's better to say nothing than tangle yourself up in all of that.

  87. Re:I don't care (so much) as long as (fillinfodder by Kyogreex · · Score: 1

    That isn't teaching them anything, because they already would accept them by definition. Also, there's probably much more benefit from being given a flash drive with TOR than being taught not to accept flash drives for multiple reasons (the latter doesn't happen too often, flash drive with program seems much more appealing than a lecture, etc).

  88. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by swillden · · Score: 1

    I think you're making some assumptions about Google that aren't true. Yes, it does appear that the NSA tapped data center connections, but Google has responded by strongly encrypting all of those. And the "they can get anything by asking" notion isn't as true as it appears. Yes, they can, but only if they go through proper channels and issue a narrow and specific request. More importantly, the numbers Google publishes show that such requests are issued for data only about a very tiny percentage of the user base.

    And if anyone can suggest a reliable email provider that is NOT Google, MS or Yahoo, I am all ears.

    Whatever other provider you use is going to be subject to the same legal requirements to comply with warrants, subpoenas and National Security Letters -- and odds are that they won't do as good a job with securing your data as Google does.

    Anyway, I'm not criticizing your decisions, just pointing out that a portion of your rationale may not be factually correct. Personally, I don't have any concerns about Google handling my personal information, but I'm a Google employee so I have a little better visibility into exactly what the risks are and are not. To be completely honest, I also don't worry about it much because I don't have anything to hide... not that I think people shouldn't have anything to hide. It's just that I personally don't. And, yes, I understand that things can change, but if things change so that something I do "needs" to be hidden, I'd rather stand up and fight than hide. But that's just me. YMMV.

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  89. Re:hmmm by 1s44c · · Score: 2

    It's really not a fuckload of work. It's a load of work to set it up and very little ongoing work to keep it updated.

    It's really not for everyone but this is slashdot isn't it?

  90. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    I've done it for many years, it's not so hard. Spamassassin + greylisting + spamhaus DNSBL + SPF checking keep the spam down to a very small amount. The little spam I do get is tagged and filtered into a separate folder. You do need a lot to different anti-spam measures but once they are set-up they keep on working.

  91. Re:ALWAYS BE PARANOID by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    Linux has some security issues from time to time and isn't perfect. But Windows has a very bad security history and it's a known fact that the NSA are advised of every security issue MS know about before any other MS customers. The NSA tried to get backdoors in Linux and failed, do you think they failed with closed source windows? Unlikely.

    If Linux isn't secure enough for you then you might like OpenBSD.

  92. Re:Unplug. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    You live two lives. One is an ordinary, boring life that

    ...has a future....

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  93. Fact: They can beat you better by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Game's still not even. They can rendition you, beat you silly with a pipe wrench, waterboard you, electrify your genitals, etc. You may not return from this little exercise, either. If they don't want to go to that much effort, they can simply charge you with any one of a huge variety of crimes you may or may not have committed, and then use jail (or release from jail) as leverage to ensure you go back to behaving in such a manner as pleases them, in the process ruining you financially almost as an afterthought.

    It's all about power. They have it. Oodles and oodles of it. You don't have any. As long as that situation remains stable, you can't fix this.

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  94. Re:A few things... by JamieIanMacgregor · · Score: 1

    a hammer and chisel will take care of that. or a hacksaw.

  95. Re:ALWAYS BE PARANOID by Burz · · Score: 1

    If Linux isn't secure enough for you then you might like OpenBSD.

    A hypervisor-based OS is much more robust than any BSD by itself; Serious people don't rely on traditional kernel-based security anymore.

    You need to use VMs to reduce the attack surface as much as possible, and IMHO there is no better VM configuration than Qubes OS which is the most secure desktop out there. Actually, its designed to go beyond what most VM configurations will do for security by running the display and IP stacks in special VMs, for instance, and you can even use it to assign hardware devices to specific user-defined VMs.

    The downside is that you end up separating your data into different domains (having varying levels of trust), but that's not so different from using jails. The upside is that you can run most Linux and Windows apps.

    So my overall advice is to run I2P on top of Qubes if you value privacy.

  96. That is a 'good' list... for a techie in 2003 by Burz · · Score: 1

    Using I2P obviates 1-4 in that it keeps everything encrypted end-to-end and mixes your packets with traffic from many other people (this also addresses #6 from StripedCow). Its the P2P twist on Tor-- everyone routes packets thus contributing to bandwidth and overall privacy. Make Google and your ISP irrelevant with respect to your data.

    For the general populace today, your list just looks like a convoluted mess (and there is no common sense when it comes to IT... we only see the tip of the internal system iceberg at any given moment). Online privacy can't be done piecemeal, one security scheme per application; that's just a disincentive to follow through and actually use it.

    As for a secure open source system, see my tagline. Qubes is hypervisor-based and enforces security to an extent that I've never seen in other desktops.

  97. Added to libreplanet.org page by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 1

    Thanks. I've made a page on the libreplanet.org wiki and added Disconnect:

    http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Privacy_addons_for_web_browsers

    And I've emailed the gnuzilla folks asking them to add it to their list of free addons:

    https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/addons.html

  98. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    You're a good shill. I am sure you are aware of this. Google does actively report to law enforcement.

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  99. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by swillden · · Score: 1

    Actually, I wasn't aware of that, and it disturbs me.

    I want to know if the photos were shared publicly. If so, then I have no problem with this, just as I have no problem with Google telling law enforcement (or, actually, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is who actually informed law enforcement) about kiddie porn web sites the Google spider finds while crawling the web. I see no reason why the same logic shouldn't be applied to public postings on Picasa, Google+, etc.

    But if the photos were merely stored in a private account, though, I think that's a different story. If that was the case here, then I think Google did cross line, and should stop, and I think lots of other Googlers will agree. I'll raise this question at TGIF* next week (no meeting this week due to the holidays), assuming someone else doesn't (which someone almost certainly will). Thanks.

    (*TGIF is a weekly company-wide meeting which includes a 15-20 minute Q&A where anyone can put any question to Larry Page.)

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  100. Try sipping from a warm mug of STFU by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    I don't think you can do much about the NSA, or what companies like Google or Facebook know about you. However, when it comes to your friends, family, employers, etc. there is plenty you can do. For one thing, it is not necessary to articulate every thought you have. Mark Twain's advice applies more than ever, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." I am surprised at what some people post on Facebook. Even friends who are intelligent, mild-mannered people could come off as complete nut jobs based on some of the things they post or pass along. It's madness. Even if you feel strongly about something, it is often better to just STFU about it, rather than proclaim it to all the world.

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  101. Re:ALWAYS BE PARANOID by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    That's funny and creative but not really on-topic.

  102. Are you kidding? by bobcote · · Score: 1

    Shall I just tell under which rock my house key is hidden?

  103. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by alexo · · Score: 1

    I use them myself.
    However, they have one big drawback: servers on US soil.

  104. part of my toolkit... by jedinite · · Score: 1

    Yet Another Information Security Professional, working in a sensitive information startup.

    Of course, a lot of these have been in use long before the NSA revelations...

    A few of my personal tools and our corporate-used tools:

    All OSX shop configured with strict firewall, fileVault, and openVPN,

    Browser plugins to block ads (adBlock Plus), scripts/flash (NoScript), popups (Adblock Plus Pop-up Addon), trackers (Ghostery), and enforce HTTPS (HTTPS-Everywhere).

    GPG Tools for encrypting individual files / emails - https://gpgtools.org/

    OTR for secure messaging (use Adium which has OTR support off the shelf) https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/

    Silent Circle for encrypted voice and text - https://silentcircle.com/

    Personal VPN for traffic encryption for browsing outside of corporate purposes, e.g. one of these:
    https://www.bestvpn.com/blog/4809/best-vpn-service-top-10/
    note that several offer payment methods that are anonymous, e.g. gift cards purchased with cash, i.e. http://www.paygarden.com/

    Obligitory Schneier:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-how-to-remain-secure-surveillance

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  105. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    Thanks, that is hugely reassuring that it disturbs some employee(s) of Google. Hope you are listened to at the TGIF.

    I do realize that it is less of an issue if it was a public post. I don't particularly share your enthusiasm to report victimless crimes. But I guess I don't have a leg to stand on, as lots of countries have severe laws against victimless crimes, including mine.

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  106. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by swillden · · Score: 1

    Thanks, that is hugely reassuring that it disturbs some employee(s) of Google. Hope you are listened to at the TGIF.

    I do realize that it is less of an issue if it was a public post. I don't particularly share your enthusiasm to report victimless crimes. But I guess I don't have a leg to stand on, as lots of countries have severe laws against victimless crimes, including mine.

    Child pornography is not a victimless crime. Perhaps sharing the pictures is, once it's made, but the making is definitely not victimless. And shutting down the sharing reduces the incentive to make it -- even better, in the process of shutting it down it may be possible to track it back to the source.

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  107. Re:Depending on the platform, there are some optio by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    Google has any chance to only report the victimless part of the crime.

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