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Jolla's First Phone Goes On Sale

jones_supa writes "Jolla, the mobile phone company formed by ex-Nokia employees, has officially launched its first phone. It will be initially available in Finland, paired with the local telecom operator DNA. After that, it will be made available in 135 other countries. The Jolla handset runs the Sailfish OS, which is itself based on the former MeeGo platform developed by Nokia and Intel several years ago to produce Linux-based smartphone software. Sailfish can run Android apps and it also integrates Nokia's Here mapping and positioning technology. Looking at the hardware, the device sports a 1.4GHz dual-core Qualcomm processor, 1GB memory and 16GB of flash storage, plus a 4.5in 960x540 IPS touchscreen with Gorilla 2 Glass. It has the usual mobile network support, including GSM/3G/4G, 802.11b/g/n WiFi and Bluetooth, 8MP autofocus rear camera and 2MP front camera. SIM-free pricing is expected to be €399."

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  1. Paired with.... by Apotekaren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Paired with here means that the phones are sold by the telecom operator in their stores(first the pre-orders are fullfilled), but there are no requirements for contracts and no sim-locking.

    The online shop is Jollas own. I just paid for my pre-order phone through their website.

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    1. Re:Paired with.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      By charging a price that covers their cost; what's so mysterious?

    2. Re:Paired with.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So how do they make money if they don't sim lock?

      This is how you know the providers have won, when consumers wonder why they're NOT being treated like dirt.

  2. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... can it run Linu ... Yes? Oh, right. Nevermind.

    1. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's more GNU/Linux in this thing than most if not all Android computers.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's never too late to imagine beowullf clusters!

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  3. Re:How about porting it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First things first. Let them get themselves established, away from the history of Nokia's self-dealing CEO, and show that the direction the company was going before he sabotaged it is a viable business model. Then maybe they can consider whether they can afford to attempt to rescue Nokia's current customers.

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  5. Why such low specs by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why are the specs so low?
    This is like a phone from 3 years ago.

    1. Re:Why such low specs by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why are the specs so low? This is like a phone from 3 years ago.

      Is that really a problem for a phone that is here announced on a News for Nerds site? It's a phone open to tinkering and running Linux software, which should interest us all. I know that I've breathed new life into my old Nokia N900 by discovering how to work with Emacs on it, which as the old saw goes, is a great operating system. Of course it has always had support for most audio formats (including libre ones), so it continues to satisfying me as a music player. Watching videos, video conferencing, extremely complicated web stuff, well, I can do that on a desktop.

      Sure, one can make the point that the phone does not have features state-of-the-art enough to appeal to a mass demographic that could keep the company afloat, but I'm a bit surprised to see Slashdot denizens complaining that it isn't whizbang enough.

    2. Re:Why such low specs by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It would not come close to a 2006 macbook pro.
      ARM cpus are not that performant. Ghz is not something you can compare that way.

    3. Re:Why such low specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The specs are "low" because it's what you can get to manufacture and sell for $400 when your order is not in the millions of units. It's already amazing they managed to sell it at less than a $1000 each for such a small order.

    4. Re:Why such low specs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The specs are actually quite close to the iPhone 5C (at half the price), and are low only if you compare them to Android phones specs, which are so huge because of two things: 1. Android is a resource hog, 2. due to Google's tight grip over Android, the only way OEMS can differentiate is through specs.

      The Jolla folk are actively trying to fight the second point, and the first point is not applicable to them since they use a "standard" Gnu/Linux stack (Systemd, Wayland, dbus, Qt, zypper).

    5. Re:Why such low specs by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's really not that rosy.
      http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/21/googles-iron-grip-on-android for some context.
      'For OEMs, this means they aren't allowed to slowly transition from Google's Android to a fork. The second they ship one device that runs a competing fork, they are given the kiss of death and booted out of the Android family -- it must be a clean break. This, by design, makes switching to forked Android a terrifying prospect to any established Android OEM. You must jump off the Google cliff, and there's no going back.'

      There is _NO_ automated process for getting an android device appoved.
      Do one thing that google does not like, and you cannot legally ship any of the google apps - which as the above article explains - means many, or most apps on the google store break, even if you try to simply copy them over, as the platform services are not open source.

    6. Re:Why such low specs by exomondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      many, or most apps on the google store break, even if you try to simply copy them over, as the platform services are not open source.

      That's probably the most telling part of the plan, the proprietary Google Play Services gives the opportunity to have 'Google Play Services' applications rather than just 'Android' applications and the more they advance the features of that over the features of Android the more appealing it is to developers and the less appealing non-Google Android devices will be to end users.

  6. The N9 successor by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I switched from an N9 to a Galaxy S3 about a year ago (because the N9 lacked some apps I needed - thanks to Nokia abandoning it and alienating developers) and I still think the N9 was a much superior experience to both my Galaxy and my company-issued iPhone.
    I' ll keep an eye for this. Hopefully if it catches on it might get a lower price-tag (given that it doesn't use very expensive hardware). The hardware does not seem very high-end, but the native apps are fast (the single-core N9 seemed faster than dual-core Android phones). Plus you get to run Android apps, if they run without problems this should allow people like me who had to switch to Android for the apps to get the phone.
    One thing I don't like that much is the IPS screen. I don't mind it has a lower resolution than the current flagship phones, but I would prefer the S-AMOLED that the N9 had (with an always-on clock that did not use almost any battery power!).
    Oh, there is also some talk that they will develop replace-able backs, e.g. you will be able to remove the back cover and put in a slide-out qwerty keyboard N900/950 style.
    So, keeping an eye out for this, if it is really better than the N9, it could be the phone to have.

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  7. Re:How about porting it... by jovius · · Score: 5, Informative

    Phones capable of running Android are their major target. Interview of the CEO from today:

    In addition to applications, Jolla exploits Android’s ecosystem also in another way. Jolla’s Sailfish operating system works in almost any Android device. Due to this Jolla can subcontract its devices for a reasonable price from any smart phone manufacturing company in Asia.
    ....
    One more plus for Jolla is that the Android compatibility makes it very easy for other smart phone companies now using Android to change their OS to Jolla’s Sailfish.
    ....
    According to Pienimäki, Jolla is also planning to let individual users to download Sailfish operating system into their Android-devices.

  8. Re:How about porting it... by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lumia phones have an encrypted bootloader. Windows Mobile is the only operating system that can be installed. While there may be a way around this, it has not be discovered by the hacker community yet.

  9. Re:Hmm I might get one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's called BlackBerry Q10 (or Q5 if you're on a budget)

  10. Re:Hmm I might get one by Apotekaren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the most important features is the "Other Half" or whatever they're calling it, which is basically a back cover with a digital interface. There are already projects in motion to produce back covers with slide-out keyboards, extra batteries, among other things.

    This feature has been seriously underplayed, it's one of the most exciting things about the whole phone!

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  11. Re:The video... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i doubt you'd question this, if you had owned N900 or N9

  12. Re:Hmm I might get one by marcello_dl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a political choice, or long term strategic move, you might want to support the neo 900.

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  13. Re:Let the lawsuits begin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Na ga happen. Nokia actually funded this company with contributions towards a federal goodwill program that provides funds for nationalistic (Finnish) startups. Jolla has access to Nokia's full patent portfolio under this program, as well as Nokia HERE maps.

    The Jolla spinoff was a way for Nokia to continue development of Meego without Microsoft oversight. After the Microsoft acquisition is completed, Nokia cannot make phones until January 2016, after which, a merger between Nokia and Jolla is possible. Nokia has retained its brand, image, and importantly, the "Nokia ringtone" sound. It may be able to get by for a few years on patent royalties. Microsoft only gets the Lumia and Asha lines, and production centers, which were outsourced to Asia anyway.

  14. Re:The video... by Microlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, because the moment we decide "we don't need any more OSes" is the moment we decide that "innovation" is done and nothing new is to be had unless it comes from Google, Microsoft, or Apple. And that's a bad, bad state to be in.

  15. Re:How about porting it... by Microlith · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's also interesting to note that Wayland just shipped on a device. So much for it being "hard to fit into a mobile device." Thanks to libhybris, they just wrap the Android blob for the GPU and continue on like a standard glibc-based Linux system.

  16. Re:How about porting it... by Microlith · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wayland. On every one of these Jolla devices. X11 was being used early on until recent versions of Qt were released, which added the Qt Compositor API, allowing them to create their own compositor (and do some rather interesting things.)

  17. Re:Pronounciation by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yo-lla. Finnish for "dinghy". The joke being about getting away from Elop's "burning platform".

  18. I think they just like making new project names by tokiko · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maemo / Moblin -> MeeGo -> Harmattan -> Mer -> Tizen | Smeegol | Sailfish

    Or, in other words, lets rename and start a new project every other week!

    I got my N900 because it was based on the same GTK and Debian that I was familiar with on my desktop. But I never touched app development on it because of the promise of the "new" project completely obsoleting anything that I would create on the old. Why bother creating a GTK interface when the new UI gets rewritten in QT next month? Why bother creating Debian packages when the new system uses RPM? Meanwhile, the Osborne effect ensures that no mainstream apps get written for the current code base.

  19. Re:Hmm I might get one by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Portrait keyboards, like on the Q10, suck. You lose half the screen to the keyboard, all of the time, making it worse than an onscreen keyboard.

    Landscape sliders are where it's at. You get a full-screen device, with an onscreen keyboard, and access to a full keyboard in landscape without losing any screen space.

    It's just too bad there aren't any QWERTY sliders anymore. :( Was really hoping Motorola under Google would release a Droid5 with flagship hardware and the Photon Q keyboard. Alas, I'm still waiting ...

  20. Re:xterm? root? by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sadly, this Jolla thing has no keyboard and thus is a non-starter for me.

    But add one and I promise to be the first in line to buy it. My N900 is starting to fall apart...

    As the owner of two Nokia N900s, HTC Desire (Nexus One), HTC Sensation, and LG Nexus 4, as well as a former owner of a Nokia N9, I can say the hardware keyboard on the N900 is highly overrated. Yes, when the N900 came out touchscreen keyboards were garbage, and the small screen and low resolution of the HTC Desire made typing on it an adventure. Same went for the Nokia N9 by the way, I loved the swype interface, hated the lack of keyboard. Fast forward to the HTC Sensation and LG Nexus 4, and I can type MUCH faster than I ever could on the N900.

    I can think of a couple of reasons a hardware keyboard may be useful, such as typing in a terminal where sharing half the screen between the keyboard and the command line output IS a pain. And also using the phone in cold weather with gloves is much easier with a hardware keyboard.

    But writing off the ONLY new phone running a real Linux distribution, with real native apps, open ecosystem from a company that is not interested in stealing your private data just because it lacks a keyboard just seems like trolling to me.

    I personally will buy one as soon as it becomes available in Canada without being on pre-order.

  21. Re:xterm? root? by temotodochi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Jollas concept about "the other half" actually includes plans for keyboard add-on. At first the other halfs (back covers if you like) just change the look, feel and settings of the OS for example red cover for work and blue for home. I haven't tested the phone myself, but this concept sounds cool. Later on Jolla is adding more physical gimmicks to those covers, hardware upgrades, keyboards, etc.