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The Best Way To Blow the Whistle

bmahersciwriter writes "Helene Hill thought she was close to retirement when, on a whim one day, she decided to check on a junior colleague's cell cultures. They were empty, she says, yet he produced data from them soon after. Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years and $200,000. See how she and other whistleblowers fared in this story from Nature."

141 comments

  1. Duh by Ignacio · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Poorly. Rock the boat, and you can expect to be thrown off. It's the Human Way.

    1. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Poorly. Rock the boat, and you can expect to be thrown off. It's the Human Way.

      Not that there's really any options for other hypothetical species either.

    2. Re:Duh by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      At least, the ones that can't fly...

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    3. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should have black mailing the other researcher instead of blowing the whistle.

    4. Re:Duh by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter which kind of business you are in if you blow the whistle - you will get beaten harder than the offender.

      There are other ways - anonymous leaks to the top brass, press and authorities, "accidents" causing "essential" material to disappear or be destroyed. (oops, I accidentally dropped your PC out the window... Or just a "mix-up" of PC:s at the workplace) At worst a fire cleansing.

      Or you just STFU.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    5. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's good to see you have just as poor a grasp of spelling and grammar as when you were an "editor".

    6. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between a crewman rocking the boat and the captain boating a rock.

    7. Re:Duh by weilawei · · Score: 0, Redundant

      First they came for the Communists,
      and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

      Then they came for the Socialists,
      and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

      Then they came for the trade unionists,
      and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

      Then they came for me,
      and there was no one left to speak for me.

    8. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You weren't armed either. If they come for me, some of them aren't going to survive it.

    9. Re:Duh by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Poorly. Rock the boat, and you can expect to be thrown off. It's the Human Way.

      You would be better off sinking the boat and see who swims.

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      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
    10. Re:Duh by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, you have to do it right. She went in and made a stink, made the entire affair about her. That's the WRONG way to do it. I've had to rat some people out in my profession before, and my approach is always the same. Gather clear and obvious evidence. Take it to which-ever superior you think is clever enough to understand it. Then play dumb as a rock... "I ran across this while doing some work... I really don't get what it means. Why would be do this or this? It seems like he intentionally did it but I don't think he'd do that!" then your desire to remain out of the subject, anonymous.

      You've now given the superior permission to take full credit for the discovery. Instead of it looking like YOU are on a witch hunt and personally dislike the target, it's now your bosses show. If they don't follow through or fail in some miserable fashion, you can review their failure or reason for rejecting the idea, refine your approach and go to another superior with new data. Sometimes you don't have enough evidence. That's fine, bad people like to repeat their offenses. Sit and wait and it will happen again, this time you can be ready and collect more data.

      Granted, I'm in IS. So most of my Whistle blowing involves security breaches by upper management, who think security is for us Peons... or rolling out projects with no testing... that sort of thing. So it's in the companies best interest to correct the issue immediately. I've gotten several people in much higher pay scales than I fired and I doubt more than a couple of people in the whole company have any idea I was involved.

      I can't reiterate enough how important it is to remain anonymous. Even if you're successful, you don't want to be "that guy" at work that everyone knows is out to get everyone. Stay quiet, let others take the glory. This kind of glory is tainted, you don't want it.

    11. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, nice work butchering the English language, asshole.

    12. Re:Duh by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      What good is that when those in charge already have life vests?

    13. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've never seen GP get anybody with that trick before! That is user kdawson (3715) with a user id of 1344097. The editor (or former editor, if that be the case), is user kdawson with a user id of 3715.

    14. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But enough will to make you a non-entity.

      Piece of advice: Don't think for one minute you're some invulnerable bad-ass. 'Cos you're not.

    15. Re:Duh by slick7 · · Score: 1

      What good is that when those in charge already have life vests?

      Life vests come in two conditions, on and off.

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      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
  2. Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena.

    Honesty is no longer treasured.

    No matter if it's Helen Hill or Edward Snowden, as long as you blew the whistle on wrongdoings of others, you will get punished.

    The world we live in is becoming more and more fake.

    Lies worth much more than truth.

    Fakeries work much better than honesty.

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    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by BringsApples · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Liars only ever trust other liars. To a liar, people that only tell the truth are a burden, and they feel that those people need to stay the fuck out of other people's business.

      Likewise, people that tell the truth only ever like people that tell the truth. They feel that the others are fucking up the world for their own temporary benefit.

      This is probably a fundamental reason behind 'to what degree' whistle-blowers suffer in the world.

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      Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
    2. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Lucky_Pierre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Corporate world? Hardly. The story is about the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.......that's in the "academic world" .......that beacon of intellectual honesty and moral superiority we're all supposed to bow down to.

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      "Whenever the cause of the people is entrusted to professors, it is lost." ~ V.I. Lenin
    3. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ISoldat53 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It happens in the government too. I lost a career doing it.

    4. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My experience in business backs this up. We regularly lied, oversold ourselves, back tracked, broke promises and commitments, weaseled our way out of whatever we could. It was company mandate. It was sad. I feel sorry for all those people trusting us.
      I quite. I never looked back. I hope someday to find something that isn't the same.

    5. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, we've all heard this before, and if you live long enough you'll be saying that today was the best of times and the future really sucks. There are editorials going back more than a century saying the exact same things you are saying. It's all going to hell, blah blah blah.

      But, it's rarely true. You took one person's sad story and made it about the rest of us, somehow.

    6. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by oldhack · · Score: 2

      Nah, you are just getting bit older, more bitter, and perhaps bit wiser. It has always been thus more or less, in the corporate world, academia, or anywhere else.

      20-30 years in the "grown-up" society, more honest/perceptive among us geezers come to recognize our own dirty hands in the messy state of things.

      Wiser still would be to try to make things a tiny bit better for the young'uns...

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    7. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see you're already up to +5 (for good reason).

      What many would see as the surprising, or questionable, notion, is that liars only trust other liars. What it is though is only trusting people who play by the same set of rules as you, and it's irrelevant that the rules are crooked. Only trust your own kind. Another liar may be your enemy, but at least you understand him. Liars always try to act in their own self-interest, but those honest people are unpredictable, and their motives difficult to understand. How can you trust someone you can't understand, and hence whose behavior is totally unpredictable? It's like being with someone who most of the time is perfectly reasonable, but at unpredictable moments flies into wild irrational rages, screaming about demons seen only by them, like "ethics" and "truthfulness".

    8. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by jythie · · Score: 1

      Given how much they depend on grants from private industry and how often those jobs are just stepping stones to corporate labs, such places only barely count as the "academic world".

    9. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena.

      Honesty is no longer treasured.

      "Has become"? "No longer"? Look, whistleblowers have always been treated badly. Governmental, corporate, academic--no matter what kind of organization you're in, the organization will react badly to anything it sees as a threat. And the problem gets worse the larger the organizations are. In small groups, human beings act like human beings, but in large groups, they act more like the cells of some vast organism. Imagine how you'd react if some of your muscle cells suddenly started refusing to contract when you told them to, even if by that refusal they were preventing you from doing something you really shouldn't do.

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      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    10. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's like being with someone who most of the time is perfectly reasonable, but at unpredictable moments flies into wild irrational rages, screaming about demons seen only by them...

      Ahh.. I see you've met my ex

    11. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      This was a case of the academic world and also the 14 years and costs were also self imposed on her by her relentless bid to expose the lies. While I applaud her efforts the tone of the summary here is somewhat misleading as it sounded like she was unfairly punished for revealing the truth.

    12. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Since when is the government a "beacon of intellectual honesty and moral superiority".

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      When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
    13. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are editorials going back more than a century saying the exact same things you are saying. It's all going to hell, blah blah blah.

      And they were right. A century ago we were heading into WWI, WWII and the Cold War under perpetual threat of nuclear destruction, where we avoided destroying life on Earth as much by luck as intelligence.

    14. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine how you'd react if some of your muscle cells suddenly started refusing to contract when you told them to, even if by that refusal they were preventing you from doing something you really shouldn't do.

      I see you've figured out what some people call the sixth sense. Thanks for putting that into words ;)

    15. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      Honestly, it's possible that it's as simple as the way each (liar or truth-teller) defines the word 'trust', and the context in which that word arises for them.

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      Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
    16. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by noh8rz10 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Edward snowden, is that you?

    17. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This was a case of the academic world and also the 14 years and costs were also self imposed on her by her relentless bid to expose the lies. While I applaud her efforts the tone of the summary here is somewhat misleading as it sounded like she was unfairly punished for revealing the truth.

      You are assuming that her claims that her colleague falsified data were valid. She made her accusations and presented her data to numerous people, including people outside her institution. NONE of them agreed with her analysis. It is likely that she was simply wrong. TFA is only telling her side of the story.

    18. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear, hear! Well said...

    19. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Medicine and dentistry make far too much money to not be considered corporate.

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    20. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      No I don't assume that. I assume that she actually "believes" it was falsified and is following her moral compass. She may well be wrong, however I didn't read anything that said people didn't agree with her, only that she lacked sufficient proof. If she is wrong and has been shown to be wrong then she should be moved from the category of a moral crusader to a nutbag, but without being familiar enough with the details I can only trust she is at least trying to do the right thing and there was nothing in the article itself that pointed to her doing otherwise.

    21. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he is probably the DC mayor who questioned Obamacare. Lying about it and rolling out a failure of a web site is ok, questioning it is unacceptable.
      story

      Or maybe he used to work for the ATF and told the media about fast and furious.
      story

      I could tell you about the NSA whistleblower, but I'm sure you know about him already.

      The interesting thing is all these events no one was fired for wrongdoing, just for pointing it out. Whitehouse whistleblower protections indeed.

    22. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      How is any of this new? These days you merely get scorned in public, back in the day you simply disappeared never to be seen again. I'd say things are improving.

    23. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      This is why when I hire someone, I bring in the candidates two at a time, and make one of them wear a red sash (doesn't matter who). We've all heard the puzzle, so you can figure out the rest.

    24. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Desler · · Score: 1

      When exactly was this mythical time when the truth or honesty ever treasured in either the corporate or political world? It certainly isn't any time in the last 150 years.

    25. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Since last Thursday.

      You miss the memo?

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    26. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or to put it another way:

      Everyone's got their secrets. Why trust someone who claims to have none?

    27. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People project their own values and behavior to explain others behavior, so that if you are a liar, then you expect others to lie in similar circumstances as when you would lie. When you see different behavior you label it as 'difficult' and 'untrustworthy' even if it is the truth. This also allows you to retain a position of superiority, in your head.

    28. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Ateocinico · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Whole cultures are based on that. The Spanish speaking world, my own, goes by this rule: one thing is what is said and faked and other what is thought and done. And what they hate the most from immigrants and visitors from other cultures is that they take what is said in its strict meaning. Believe it or not.

    29. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena.

      They've always gone hand and glove.

      Honesty is no longer treasured.

      Was it ever?

      No matter if it's Helen Hill or Edward Snowden, as long as you blew the whistle on wrongdoings of others, you will get punished.

      So don't blow it. Instead, gather and document all of the evidence and keep it secret. That way, when you need to play your get out of jail free card, you can throw that chip on the table. This works best in a mutually assured destruction type scenario where they wont act against you with what they know for fear that you will blow the whistle on them. Actually blowing the whistle is like launching the missiles, neither side really wants to do it.

      The world we live in is becoming more and more fake.

      I think that it has always been fake but that we notice it more now because it has become much more difficult for ordinary people to successfully keep secrets, especially in the long run.

      Lies worth much more than truth.

      He who pays the piper calls the tune.

      Fakeries work much better than honesty.

      Not sure what a "fakerie" is but it certainly pays to be sparing with the truth these days. President Obama is a master of this tactic but as the recent healthcare debacle demonstrates, even the best liars can only tell a whopper so large before the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

    30. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by thsths · · Score: 1

      If you put it like this, it sounds like the liars have already won. Have they?

    31. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, they have. It is considered a significant and important achievement in a child's development when it starts lying, because lying shows that the child understands that other people have different knowledge about the world. Before a child understands this, there's no point in lying: If you believe that everybody knows the same, why tell something that isn't true? The others know it isn't true, right? So lying is an indication that a child has established itself as an individual with different experiences and knowledge. The first step is just to realize that lying is possible. The second step is to learn to lie convincingly. The latter requires insight into the realm of experience and knowledge of the person being lied to. People who always tell the truth may be doing so because they never learned to lie convincingly, so they got caught most of time and stopped doing it.

    32. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by weilawei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While politeness may be a useful social lubricant, engendering mental dichotomy on such a scale is simply begging for errors in communication. Perhaps it has "always" been that way, but must it be?

    33. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by simplypeachy · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised that more of the comments here aren't saying exactly that. It smells bad to me, and it's not just mouldy cell cultures. It seems her evidence was so flimsy that it kept falling apart at the slightest touch.

    34. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by fatphil · · Score: 1

      No, no, no, no, not at all, far from it. We^H^HThey are almost certainly an insignificant minority, who can't really influence anything.

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    35. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      beacon of intellectual honesty and moral superiority we're all supposed to bow down to.

      Wow, you sound like you have a MASSIVE chip on your shoulder. Why, I wonder.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    36. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was very close to doing the same. Very close. It is sharing day, so here goes:

      I worked in a government department. We had a prick on the floor. He arrived late. He left early. He had a number of dodges carefully worked out so that he does no work and comes and goes as he likes. This had been going on for years.

      It is not enough. He is bored. So, he deliberately winds people up and then feigns innocence when they react. He is really good at this.

      I reported him. Multiple times. With evidence. Hard evidence showing that he is being paid a lot of money to do nothing. That he is cutting time. That he is taking leave and not entering it into the system. That he is baiting people in the office. That he is misrepresenting the truth. That he is behaving inappropriately in the workplace.

      I learned the hard way that the person who reports a problem is the problem.

      More than this is that the whole office was in on it. Lots of people cutting time. Moving the car every two hours was common. Spending half the day talking about the last weekend was another. Working slowly is the norm and hard workers are ignored or dealt with.

      Ethical people can find working in an office very difficult not because of the work but for the strain involved in the mental juggling needed seeing people stomp all over the rules and have nothing done about it.

      I left. There was no other choice. I moved on.

      Recently I found out that other people in the office are taking videos of the prick and are sharing them around. Given that he spends a third of his day standing around the office gossiping it can't be too hard to get footage. This is how you do it. Anonymously collect the evidence and release it to the internet and let the world deal with the problem.

      Meanwhile life goes on. This prick is still earning six figures for doing not much and will retire comfortably. Just to make this worse he has the second highest level of access in the organisation in the systems and could easily get most corporate business data including private data of millions of people should he care to. Easily. Very few people would be able to catch him at it should he do so. After all they were unable that he is not doing his job.

      What can you do?
      Nothing.
      Leave.
      I gave up a good job so I did not have to deal with it. While I may now be in a lower position at least I don't have to deal with him or anyone else there.

    37. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is the corporate world not the same as academic world?

    38. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's because he loathes hypocrites?

    39. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by BringsApples · · Score: 2

      It's not just a philosophy. If everyone raised their children to 'take whatever you can get out of life, regardless how', then would they all win?

      Of course not. I'll share a youtube video with you, I hope I'm not being lame. But in order for everyone to win, we all have to not only be honest, but also respectful. In this way, respect and honesty are directly tied together. And now for the video

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    40. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Chinese are similar with their somewhat fake "lets go to dinner" invitations which you are not really expected to accept and other "social norms".

    41. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by slick7 · · Score: 2

      I see you're already up to +5 (for good reason).

      What many would see as the surprising, or questionable, notion, is that liars only trust other liars. What it is though is only trusting people who play by the same set of rules as you, and it's irrelevant that the rules are crooked. Only trust your own kind. Another liar may be your enemy, but at least you understand him. Liars always try to act in their own self-interest, but those honest people are unpredictable, and their motives difficult to understand. How can you trust someone you can't understand, and hence whose behavior is totally unpredictable? It's like being with someone who most of the time is perfectly reasonable, but at unpredictable moments flies into wild irrational rages, screaming about demons seen only by them, like "ethics" and "truthfulness".

      "Trust and you will be trusted", said the liar to the fool.

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    42. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by slick7 · · Score: 1

      If you put it like this, it sounds like the liars have already won. Have they?

      Yes.
      I lied.

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      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
    43. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by fatphil · · Score: 1

      > Honesty is no longer treasured.

      Not since biblical times, where we were shown that cooking the books was a good thing:
      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16&version=NET

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    44. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Chinese are similar with their somewhat fake "lets go to dinner" invitations which you are not really expected to accept and other "social norms".

      Wow, you mean just like the fake "How do you do?" questions that you aren't supposed to really answer?

    45. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena.

      Well, a corporation is like a miniature communist dystopia (or Soviet-style communist countries are modeled after corporations, whichever one you prefer), complete with internal police, hilariously untrue propaganda, purges, ass-covering, ideologically driven directives, low efficiency that gets hidden by creative reporting or outright lying, etc. Pretty much the only difference is that you get a boot rather than a bullet when it's time to leave. Unless you pissed someone off and they want to make an example of you, in which case things like the summary happen.

      You can't really expect rational behaviour from such an absurd setup, so don't take it so seriously. Sit back, enjoy the farce, and if you want to expose something, make sure the leak can't be traced back to you.

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    46. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the corporate world has become very much like the political arena. Honesty is no longer treasured. No matter if it's Helen Hill or Edward Snowden, as long as you blew the whistle on wrongdoings of others, you will get punished.

      You list two cases of whistle blowing, one in academia and the other in government. What does that have to do with "the corporate world"?

      When companies develop products, they try to keep their employees from cheating on any results that matter to their bottom line, because using bad data would just cause their products to work less well.

      Cheating and fabrication of data happen when the data is used to satisfy expert evaluators or comply with arbitrary regulations.

    47. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are editorials going back more than a century saying the exact same things you are saying. It's all going to hell, blah blah blah.

      And they were right. A century ago we were heading into WWI, WWII and the Cold War under perpetual threat of nuclear destruction, where we avoided destroying life on Earth as much by luck as intelligence.

      Ah, the good old days.

    48. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Actions speak louder than words."

    49. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by stymy · · Score: 1

      No, in many cases it's the exact opposite. If you took the stuff people say to each other in Argentina at face value, you'd think the country was made of the most racist and belligerent people on the planet.

    50. Re:Honesty is never treasured in corporate world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the article, it sounds like her colleague may have falsified data, but there was insufficient evidence because in these cases they (rightly) have a high standard of evidence required. Think "beyond a reasonable doubt" and not "a prepronderence of evidence". Although it is fair to maintain the presumption of innocence in this case, it does not imply that the accuser is actually incorrect.

  3. Hmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the slashdot entry at the top: "Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years..."

    From the linked article: "Hill would spend the next 14 years trying to expose what she believes to be a case of scientific misconduct. "

    Reading the slashdot entry, I thought that she went to jail for 14 years, which she didn't. :)

  4. Misleading Summary by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Informative

    Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years and $200,000.

    What actually happened, from the article: she thinks a colleague forged results, and spent 14 years and $200,000 voluntarily pursuing court action, which repeatedly found there was no wrong-doing. She was not fired, was not fined, was not imprisoned.

    The summary's deliberately phrased to be inflammatory, and imply that she was persecuted for whistle-blowing.

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    1. Re:Misleading Summary by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Welcome to FoxDot. Flamebait for nerds, news that are fabricated.

    2. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Quite frankly, that's not whistleblowing, that's an obsession. She even almost admits it. There is a desire for truth, but when you've gathered all the information and the world still doesn't want to hear it, let it go. If you've blown the whistle and everybody tells you to keep the noise down, it's not your fault. At that point, just make sure anybody who looks for the paper also finds the damning analysis, then move on.

    3. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder how much she had to pay slashdot or dice.com to get this story posted....

    4. Re:Misleading Summary by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      And the $200,000 was her voluntarily prosecuting a lawsuit based on a law that allows any citizen to sue to recover government money lost due to fraud, in this case an additional grant based on the data.

      Also, boo on those yabbering about corporations -- the two cases listed were both universities. You philosophical underpants are showing.

      The third case was a semi-nut anon reporting about 80% of anon claims of fraud to major journals. They're sometimes right, so they can't be blanket ignored, but the frequent dead ends waste investigation resources.

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    5. Re:Misleading Summary by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ok, then. She had an expensive hobby, and it made it into Slashdot. I'm good.

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    6. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years and $200,000.

      What actually happened, from the article: she thinks a colleague forged results, and spent 14 years and $200,000 voluntarily pursuing court action, which repeatedly found there was no wrong-doing. She was not fired, was not fined, was not imprisoned.

      The summary's deliberately phrased to be inflammatory, and imply that she was persecuted for whistle-blowing.

      If you keep reading you will discover that she performed an analysis of data revealed during the lawsuit, and this analysis indicated that the data did not have the statistical properties that it would have if it were collected in an experiment.

      Despite the judge's decision, and everyone elses dismissal of her whistleblowing, the science says something fishy was going on.

    7. Re:Misleading Summary by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Thing is, while she's probabl right, when you accuse someone of wrongdoing, you need a much higher degree of proof.

      Sure, she's probably right, but there will be some chance results that will have the same statistical properties and she can't prove that this wan't one of those flukes. Sometimes the guilty get away with it.

    8. Re:Misleading Summary by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      What I don't understand is why bother even pursuing the researcher, method and results? Just try to reproduce the work independently and publish the results. Hand over the project to someone who has little prior knowledge about the politics behind the topic and let them toil away at it. I'm sure there's plenty of underpaid graduate students willing to step up to the plate.

      “A person has an obligation to do the right thing if they can,”

      If she went about reproducing the experiment the benefits would've been: keeping her job, probably getting more funding, not wasting $200k of her own money, and having more papers published. The right thing here is reproducing the experiment by a wide margin.

    9. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. If she could not conclusively prove that the cell counts were fake, then she could show that the opponent's experimental conclusions are bogus by reproducing the experiment correctly.

  5. explained by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    Blowing the whistle on what she thinks was research misconduct cost her 14 years and $200,000.

    This sounds juicy, and if you read the actual article, it is.

    If anyone is wondering why it cost her $200,000 (and doesn't want to read the article, though I couldn't imagine why), it's because after the university committee on ethics determined that there was no evidence of misconduct, she decided to file a lawsuit, which she also lost.

    Even after losing the lawsuit, she is still trying to get her coworker disciplined, which is why the dean warned her that she could lose her job as a result. But she is continuing. Choice quote from the article, in explanation of why she continues the fight:

    “I want to finish,” she says. “It becomes almost an obsession.”

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:explained by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      I know a guy who was "done wrong" by an academic institution, and he took it to court and won, judgement was that his situation was not handled properly by the Uni... and it made absolutely zero difference in the future of his life, except that he had a judge on his side agreeing with him.

    2. Re:explained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, from the article, it seems like the university behaved very well and patiently with her claim.

    3. Re:explained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except that he had a judge on his side agreeing with him
      This is a fact many people ignore. So what if you go to court and win. You hear many people say 'if xyz happened to me I would sue'. Then lets say you win. Good luck getting anything out of it. I cant find the link right now. But at one point I was considering going into property rental. This link talked about how to sue someone *and* more importantly get your money. As a semi competent lawyer costs some amount of money and time. Which you will *never* get back.

  6. from what i seen how whistleblowers are treated by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i would most definitely blow the whistle anonymously, maybe post on some forums and upload videos from a public library or public wifi hotspot while using fake names for signing on anywhere

    --
    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    1. Re:from what i seen how whistleblowers are treated by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Also, keep multiple copies of your data in obscure, geographically diverse locations, and *not* in your house, in case your identity *is* discovered.

      --
      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    2. Re:from what i seen how whistleblowers are treated by houghi · · Score: 1

      What would help is:
      1) Fake MAC address
      2) Do it scripted, so nobody sees you typing on anything

      e.g. have a device turn on at a certain moment, automatically make the wifi connection. Do the posting to Usenet (No need for login or pasword for some servers.) that will see to worldwide delivery.

      If you do it automated, you do not even have to be there yourself. Just see that you are able to remove the device once it has done its work or that it is truly untraceable. e.g. hide a device in a toilet and let it run after 48 hours when you are somewhere else. Having it remove all traces of any coding once the device has used it.

      Only use the device ONCE. Not even testing should be done with the device. Hide it in the toilet of a starbucks or McD or any other place where there are a LOT of people and free wifi.

      Understand that they WILL find the device if you leave it alone for even 10 seconds. So be prepared for that. Better safe then sorry.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  7. Yes, boat rockers are statistically likely... by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    to wind up swimming. The vast majority of folks are willing to pipe down in the face of consequences and repercussions. Call the other option what you will: foolhardy, insubordinate, obstinate, or brave... all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  8. Re:beta max or bea slashdot ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not the best way to blow the whistle. Besides, everyone who has had the misfortune of being the "randomly-selected few" already knows that.

  9. Mad Scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It wasn't blowing the whistle that cost her 14 years and $200k, it was her improper handling of the situation and zealotry in pursuing the matter.

    Let's say this was a murder. If I saw you with a dead body, a shovel, lime, rope and bloody knife. After you left, I grabbed the bloody knife and took a picture of it and gave it to the police. The picture of the knife would not be admissible as evidence, the knife itself would, but not a picture of it. Hill was playing private eye, but doing it in a way that she couldn't gather enough evidence to support her case. The article is totally slanted towards her side and makes it sound like the University committee, federal investigators, and New Jersey District Court were all incompetent.

    1. Re:Mad Scientist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is totally slanted towards her side and makes it sound like the University committee, federal investigators, and New Jersey District Court were all incompetent.

      And you assert that they are not in fact incompetent? Citation needed!

  10. There's plenty of scientific misconduct out there by umafuckit · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I work in research and I've seen or heard of plenty of misconduct. They don't always get fired. Off the top of my head:

    1. Research assistant at a friend's lab was fabricating data in order to shirk off. They discovered it because the variance of the fabricated data was weird. He admitted it when challenged and was fired.
    2. PhD student I know fabricated data in order to do less work. He did a bad job of it, though, and was easily caught. He admitted it but further action wasn't taken because the lab wanted to avoid a scandal and the results weren't published. Eventually he produced a shitty thesis and was told to re-submit. He failed to do this but is writing on his CV that he has the degree.
    3. Post-doc currently on my floor claimed to have produced a set of data but we all know it's a lie because: a. he didn't us the equipment at any point. b. he doesn't know how to use the equipment. c. he can't show the raw data. Was challenged by his boss and denied it. That was last year, he's still here, he's done no work, he's an arrogant prick, everyone hates him and nobody talks to him any more.
    4. Post-doc in a friend's lab manipulated raw data out of all recognition. He was caught because the raw data looked nothing like his claims. He was challenged and fired.

    I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time.

  11. Take a deep breath by slinches · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's the best way to blow the whistle?

    Take a deep breath, put your lips around the whistle's mouthpiece and exhale forcefully?

    Oh, you meant figuratively? I'd say, that the best way is to avoid working with people who are unethical so whistle blowing isn't necessary. If you do happen to end up in a situation that you know something untoward is going on, report it. But only report it to someone you trust will behave responsibly and has the authority to resolve the issue. If that person doesn't exist, start polishing up your resume and look around for a better place to work.

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    Knowledge Brings Fear
    1. Re:Take a deep breath by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I like this answer. At some point you have to just walk away.

      --
      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    2. Re:Take a deep breath by Kardos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah sure. How many tenured profs who notice misconduct are going to walk away from their post?

    3. Re:Take a deep breath by slinches · · Score: 1

      If they notice serious misconduct and have no recourse to safely report it, is it really wise to stay? Sure they may have to give up tenure, but if the entire organization is corrupt and dishonest something is going to happen and there's a good chance that they will be considered a party to it. Which is really more important, tenure or maintaining integrity and a good reputation?

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      Knowledge Brings Fear
    4. Re:Take a deep breath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tenured professors fall into two categories. Either they are in charge of everyone in their lab/research project, or they work with at least one other researcher who they are not in charge of (e.g. another tenured professor).

      If you're in the first category, you are responsible for handling any misconduct in your own lab, since you're the Big Boss. The correct action is not to leave, but to prevent the misconduct (i.e. announce your finding of misconduct, fire the guilty parties, retract any papers with fraudulent data, etc.). If you won't do that, it's all on you.

      If you're in the second category and you don't have the power to deal with the misconduct (e.g. because it's the other professor doing it), then yes, you need to blow the whistle and/or leave. Universities do hire already-tenured faculty in small numbers; maybe it's time for you to be one among that number. No, you probably won't end up at a university that's as prestigious as your current one, but get real -- what good is that prestige if the university is rotten on the inside?

    5. Re:Take a deep breath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tenure? They might have kids, they might have big loans. After they die in a ditch somewhere nobody will remember they had great integrity and great reputation. You can't afford to keep high morals if you aren financially independant. If you have mouths to feed it gets worse. Fuck morals, they are your kids, it's morally right to keep them fed, even if it meant unmoral behavior somwhere else. This is why the system should be built in a way that makes it possible to have high moral, but when the first one to get shot is the messenger, there won't be any more messengers. They are not stupid. Well.. some are, they get to have an interesting life in russia or some south american countrys embassy. Or the forementioned ditch.

    6. Re:Take a deep breath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, if you get accused of misconduct by a tenured prof. you're likely screwed. Unless you yourself are a tenured prof. (And why would she be looking into the cell cultures of a tenured colleague?)

    7. Re:Take a deep breath by thsths · · Score: 1

      Tenure pays the bills, integrity doesn't. At least in the current climate, but I would guess this has always been the case.

  12. The best way by ksemlerK · · Score: 0

    Deep throat. Practice with foot long hotdogs.

  13. Re:There's plenty of scientific misconduct out the by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time.

    Anomalies happen all the time, too.

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  14. Catching misconduct by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 1

    Apart from the inflammatory article, I believe there is a valid question to be asked here: how does one identify and catch/correct errors?

    In experimental fields, if a result is interesting enough, there will be people who will verify it by trying to repeat or improve the results. However, in more theoretical fields (where computer simulations are the norm), I wonder how well vetted the results are. Especially since many people don't release the source code, and even if they do, it is too large to actually go through and verify each line.

    I know of some models (in the aerospace industry) that have been widely used that are flawed in many ways - from sign changes, to impossible geometric configurations. I'm sure that in many other simulation-centric fields, the same problems exist. Often, the results and simulations are just part of some larger methodological contributions - the methodology is still solid, but the presented results are flawed.

    1. Re:Catching misconduct by Kardos · · Score: 1

      Verifying each line is not really a goal worth pursuing. A robust (real) simulation result will be reproducible across various numerical methods. Computers are commonplace, anybody with a computer (or a cluster) can redo your numerical experiment provided that you described what you did. Lab work is much more specialised, there aren't millions of similarly equipped labs kicking around, so the pool of people who can check your result is much smaller. In my opinion, this makes it less likely for one to report fabricated or garbage results because one can be called out pretty easily.

  15. Faking stuff may have been a habit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Take a look at the Prof Sanna's ratings as a teacher: sounds like a real asset to the faculty, right?

    Now notice when most of the flattering reviews were posted.

    Now look at when Sanna resigned.

  16. Re:There's plenty of scientific misconduct out the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Statistically, you could treat this as an underlying error rate in published data and try to account for it in metastudies.

  17. Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So she said "This data is faked!" the university looked in to it, they have committees for that kind of thing as I'm sure you know, and said that no, they could find no evidence of wrongdoing. So she got the federal Office of Research Integrity involved, they looked in to it, and said "Nope we see no evidence of wrongdoing here." So she took it to court, and lost the case, appealed it, and lost that case.

    This would seem to be a case where she's wrong. She thought she saw misconduct, but she was incorrect, but she's pushing this anyhow.

    Remember that just because scientific misconduct happens does not mean all accusations of misconduct are true.

    1. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      So she said "This data is faked!" the university looked in to it, they have committees for that kind of thing as I'm sure you know,

      Yes, I realise what happened in the case of TFA. I'm just mentioning my experience. In those cases no committees were involved because the issue was uncovered before publication. That usually makes it the job the PI to decide what to do with the miscreant.

    2. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      ... or she's right, but has no proof. In the end it looks like the same thing to everyone but her and the defendant.

    3. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      There simply does not seem to be enough proof.

      Either she is very crazy or she did see the misconduct and just cannot admit that she can never prove it.

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    4. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So she said "This data is faked!" the university looked in to it, they have committees for that kind of thing as I'm sure you know, and said that no, they could find no evidence of wrongdoing. So she got the federal Office of Research Integrity involved, they looked in to it, and said "Nope we see no evidence of wrongdoing here." So she took it to court, and lost the case, appealed it, and lost that case.

      This would seem to be a case where she's wrong. She thought she saw misconduct, but she was incorrect, but she's pushing this anyhow.

      Remember that just because scientific misconduct happens does not mean all accusations of misconduct are true.

      Or she was right and had insufficient evidence to prove it. Which in a system with presumed innocence has the same outcome.

      When it comes down to it, if you are going to be a whistleblower you HAVE to be able to successfully argue your case. No one's going to help you do it.

    5. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      There simply does not seem to be enough proof.

      Either she is very crazy or she did see the misconduct and just cannot admit that she can never prove it.

      The other option is to simply repeat the questionable experiment. If the same result is obtained, then at least the literature is correct even if the original study was tainted. If a different result is obtained then follow it up and demonstrate conclusively that the original study was wrong. At least now the incorrect result will be shown for what it is. Duplicating the science seems like a better way of spending your time than pursuing a legal challenge whose outcome depends on hearsay.

    6. Re:Ya but this doesn't look like a case of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them.
      It sank into the swamp.

      So I built a second one.
      That sank into the swamp.

      So I built a third.
      That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp....

  18. Where's www.hail2metadata.org ? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Whistleblowers, we need to take care of them, like I said the other day. It's going to be tough. Maybe at least give some
    thoughts to Snowden these days, but think hard about how we could give one of our own safe harbor. It's a tough problem
    because us geeks live mostly in a virtual word, and this here is a very physcial problem. Though maybe the solution is
    somewhere on the tangent where the physical meets the virtual. Snowden's doomsday docs may be a starter idea.

    Now the thugs: toss some of their own stuff back at them! Here's a GREAT idea, and I jand it to you for free:

    When o when, is finally a website being opened in the USA that gathers and published 'Metadata' on your fine politicians.

    I'm talking 'Alexander (Feinstein, Biden, you name em) spotted today, where, time, what was he doing, who was he with,
    what circumstances could anything be overheard, what food did his wife buy, who's his dentist. You get the puicture, nothing
    excluded, but the thing is: nothing nefarious, just eyeballs and registering goings on. Let's see how soon that gets them to
    puking sick.

  19. Whistleblower's Guide to Journalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Beware that whistleblowers are almost always retaliated against. If you approach the media take great care in picking a journalist:

    http://victimsofdsto.com/guide/whistleblowers_guide_to_journalists.pdf

    http://victimsofdsto.com/guide/whistleblowers_guide_to_journalists.html

  20. A perfect example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. flamebait for wankers by epine · · Score: 1

    The summary's deliberately phrased to be inflammatory, and imply that she was persecuted for whistle-blowing.

    A Google search for "Slashdot" still comes up Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters, but a single story summary this shitty sure puts paid to that aspiration.

    For stories like this one, if my account wasn't a pseudonym I'd have to wear a bag over my face just to post here.

  22. You're all amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how you blow the whistle:

    1. Write a journel article, news item, or book which exposes the misconduct.

    2. Have your lawyer send it to the accused along with a letter, which says, "We are going to publish this in 72 hours, but we wanted to have you review it first to verify that there are no errors in fact and that everything is absolutely true. If you find any errors, please have your lawyer contact me."

    3. Your lawyer negotiates a confidential agreement in which you agree not to publish, and the accused agrees to send you a large cash payment

    If you want to extort someone legally, you need to use the legal process.

  23. The moral of the story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't whistleblow...Blackmail!

    Probably safer and more effective.

  24. Worst way to blow the whistle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't add to the story that you went in and singlehandedly killed a terrorist with your rifle-butt. That could get your NOC cover blown, cause people to dismiss everyone else who had the same complaints as you, and cost any journalists who trusted you their jobs.

  25. Plan Your Action by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    Before you blow the whistle you need to contact a quality lawyer and be advised. You may need to file a report with an outside agency in order to get whistle blower protection in the courts. If you work with any kind of in house security or internal affairs you may gain extra protection if you are a paid informant. That pay could be one penny or one dollar. Also the timing of blowing the whistle could be vital. For example getting a review and a raise and blowing the whistle just afterward make sit harder to claim your work is defective. But back to the original point first get a lawyer. The reality is that you will probably be fired. Regardless of what the law says you probably can never return to work. But if done correctly you may earn a lot more money by blowing the whistle than you could ever hope to earn from work. So many companies are involved in illegal activities that whistle blowing could be an entire career for the right person.

  26. Spyblog's Guide on Whistleblowing Anonymously by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    In a prelude to the more recent gross attacks on democracy, the US and UK have both been consistently shitting on whistleblowers for many decades.

    Snowden's method will probably only work if your leak will make you famous. For everyone else, anonymity would be advised.

    The author of Spyblog has been documenting the progress of the UK's seemingly-inexorable descent into a Stasi police state for about 10 years.

    In 2006, he started posting tips on whistleblowing. This has since evolved into a more comprehensive website.

    http://ht4w.co.uk/

  27. It is still happening ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is any of this new? These days you merely get scorned in public, back in the day you simply disappeared never to be seen again

    Well, guess what ?

    The "disappeared never to be seen again" phenomena are still happening, even inside the United States of America !

    Just because you do not read it in the newspaper does not mean it never happens.

  28. Almost by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    The procedures she has been in have not found evidence of wrong-doing. That is something different than that it found evidence there was no wrong-doing. It's a lack of substantial evidence proving her right, no evidence proving her wrong has been found. This academical difference is crucial here, since legally she's wrong, but scientifically she can still be right.

    I'd like to see the research she is disputing repeated by independent researchers. If a few repeat experiments are done, we'll get a good idea of who is actually right in this case without court action. In this case the law sees no evidence of wrong-doing, but science might at least prove the experiment was conducted wrong. Proving intent in publishing false results may still be hard, but at least the results will be nullified.

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  29. Re:There's plenty of scientific misconduct out the by rizole · · Score: 1
    The trick to misconduct is hard work and principles.

    Just as I have high standards, integrity and rigor in my professional life I'm also very principled and practice diligence when those standards slip and I have to/want to cut corners.
    If you're lazy and stupid in your work, chances are you'll be lazy and stupid in your misconduct too.

  30. When I teach my child about why she shouldn't lie, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    what I tell her is this:

    Yes, when you lie, your peers will punish you when they find out. But that's not the real issue.

    When you're a liar, you're projecting a false self as a problem solving tool. This forces you to keep multiple versions of reality in your head.

    Carried systematically across a lifetime, this will cause you to become a person made up of many people, none of whom are you.

    Eventually, you will not know who you are, or what you believe, and when you meet a strong person with integrity, you will be unable to hold a form of your own in their presence.

    This is a road to hell on earth, a hell contained within ones own mind, where the wind can blow your identity to and fro at a moments notice, and you live in a constant state of fearful reactionary adjustment of self.

    What it all boils down to is this: people are not worth lying to.

    http://experiencelife.com/article/walking-your-talk-the-path-of-personal-integrity/

    http://melodylovesthis.com/parentingohyes/kids-and-lying-why-truth-matters/

  31. Re:There's plenty of scientific misconduct out the by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

    In my field (accelerator physics) in 25 years, the only thing resembling misconduct that I've seen is overselling of future applications. By this I mean presenting an overly optimistic picture of future possibilities (typically known as marketing), not misrepresenting any work that was already done. This may be due to the way that most of the field is supported by large grants to large laboratories rather than grants to individual researchers. Might be a useful model to apply elsewhere.

  32. Re:There's plenty of scientific misconduct out the by umafuckit · · Score: 1

    I think you're right. Specifically, I think it's because your papers usually require very large numbers of coauthors so the work is inherently cross-checked. I'm in the life-sciences. There are papers in my field which are basically single author (student/postdoc + PI), so it's much easier to pull the wool over people's eyes that way. Even in multi-author papers, often different people do different experiments so it's still possible to have a bad apple in there. In our field grants are often still given to large labs (although not on the scale of yours), so I don't think that on its own explains things.

  33. Re:There's plenty of scientific misconduct out the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think that word means what you think it means....

  34. The good old ways are always the best by Optali · · Score: 1

    I would recommend blowing it in the tranditional way: You put it in your lips breath deep in and blow as hard as you can.
    It usually works, at least for me!

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    -- 29A the number of the Beast
  35. Whistle Blow around the Chain of Command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have perpetrated two whistle blowing cases. In the first case, it may have been a gentle shove to an already decaying relationship. In the other case it was documenting heresay that was told to me. In each case I was a third-party not in the chain of command and since one was a contractor to a state agency and the other was a state agency, openness made it more likely that my message could get sent. So the first lesson is that doing this for in a government with a non-chain-of-command channel is much easier.

    Another situation was one where I was almost victimized because the channel around a corporate chain of command was just removed, maybe because, the management wanted to do illegal things. I was able to get a gentle shove out of the door rather than a layoff for cause because the way I was treated was possibly illegal.

    If you are seeing something wrong, tell a third-party who is not in the chain of command and let them tell your story as heresay. If you present enough detail, the account alone will get the interest of the regulatory people you have them contact.

  36. From orbit by JamieIanMacgregor · · Score: 1

    it's the only way to be sure.