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Jolla: Ex-Nokia Employees Launch Smartphone (MeeGo Resurrected)
mrspoonsi writes "A team of ex-Nokia employees has released the first handset running on a new smartphone platform. The Jolla phone — pronounced Yol-la — is powered by open-source operating system Sailfish, but can run most apps designed for Google's Android platform. The platform — originally called MeeGo — was developed by Nokia, but dumped in 2011 in favour of the company adopting the Windows Phone system. Nokia released just one handset running the software, the N9-00. Antti Saarnio, chairman and co-founder of Jolla, told the BBC in May that MeeGo — now called Sailfish — had not been given enough chance to succeed."
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The days when a pure tech company could sustainably start anything at this level are long gone. Best of luck!
sure you did.
just install the fucking filebrowser.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
And if you need it spelled out to you: Install Rhythm Software File Manager. It can not only browse files stored on your tablet but also copy whole folders on and off a Windows or Samba share.
If you believe all that you really should actually read the stuff Snowden releassed. The NSA is all over Apple like a rash. With google they at least had to hack into the data centers by re-routing their traffic when it goes between googles data centers. Microsoft on the other hand actually goes through all your stuff , even stuff you have never sent to them and then hands it all over lock stock and barrel to the NSA with an automatic program.
Android , Jolla, Sailfish etc are the future, Apple is the past. get used to it.
Dude, please, Apple didn't even submit to Prism until after Steve Jobs died. Meanwhile, Google and Microsoft are like "oh yes, anything for you big government!" from day one. Google was so desperate to monetize their lame ass search business they figured selling our shit to the government was as good a way as any to make some cash. Apple sells hardware, not personal information.
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Actually, as an experienced MeeGo developer, this just makes me sad because they won't sell one to North Americans. Nokia did this to us with the N9 too, but at least they sent me a developer device. These guys still haven't released the official GSM/LTE frequencies it supports for some stupid reason, so I don't even know if I should bother trying to import one.
Yeah, the lack of a microSD slot is a deal killer, but it's your fault for buying a tablet without checking the specs.
Circumcision is child abuse.
Which version of Android are you using? Android 2 had plenty of inefficiencies, many of which were fixed by 4.1. A lot of people who develop apps for personal or low-volume use aren't willing to pay an estimated $1,050 extra (one Mac mini to replace an existing other-than-Mac computer plus four years of a developer license) just to fix an occasional MP3 skip. If it still happens in recent Android, I could try to replicate it in Amazon MP3 or Google Play Music.
Rather than modifying the Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Mer/Sailfish monster to run Android apps, why not modify Android to run you HTML5/QML/??? apps. For the near future, hw vendor support is Android HAL. Why not use that...?
From Sailfish Wikipedia, it looks like they may be using some of the android HAL:
"Jolla declared Sailfish OS compatible with Android phone and tablets hardware, using existing Android device drivers."
But What is Sailfish then? Similar to Boot2Qt? Or still a continuation of the Meego playground.
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First there was Stuxnet, then there was FLAME, the latest weapons grade malware is badBIOS accidentially discovered by Dragos Ruiu 3 years ago. More on the discovery in section 2
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remotely monitoring and altering brain waves
"Chilled monkey brains!" - IJ+ToD
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=16&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=3,951,134&OS=3,951,134&RS=3,951,134
United States Patent 3,951,134
Abstract
Apparatus for and method of sensing brain waves at a position remote from a subject whereby electromagnetic signals of different frequencies are simultaneously transmitted to the brain of the subject in which the signals interfere with one another to yield a waveform which is modulated by the subject's brain waves. The interference waveform which is representative of the brain wave activity is re-transmitted by the brain to a receiver where it is demodulated and amplified. The demodulated waveform is then displayed for visual viewing and routed to a computer for further processing and analysis. The demodulated waveform also can be used to produce a compensating signal which is transmitted back to the brain to effect a desired change in electrical activity therein.
If it's a Finnish company not owned by Microsoft or any other company in cahoots with the NSA, this could be the only smartphone worth buying anymore.
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Antti's brother, Prro Saarnio, disagreed.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Hurry up, samzenpus! I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see what story gets repeated next!
..the Android attack minion/trolls I mean.
Android is not truly open, and even if it was, it's far too late to the games to be as viable a mobile OS as iOS or Metro.
It's backdoored Google/NSA poop. And one thing you really wanna have in a mobile OS is a hybrid kernel (both micro and macro kernel features - multitasking, multitasking, multitasking) That's the name of the game, especially in today's ADHD world. Android doesn't have it. iOS and Metro do, as well as OSX, and Windows 7+ of course. GNU Hurd has it but it's still not production quality.
I'd agree that Sailfish is a nice change, but Android is not the answer. Also, a recent study showed that 3rd. party vendors - Samsung, LG, hTC etc. especially LG and Samsung, don't understand Android so that even more security bugs get put into it than were already there with Stock. Android stock is ok, maybe, but none of them are in a position to throw stones, especially Android. BTW, Sony have the best record with not introducing additional bugs into Android. If you want security, at least use a Nexus or a Sony. Otherwise, I'd stick with iOS - also iOS (like Windows and Metro) has a hybrid kernel, unlike Android or Linux.
TFA has it wrong. N9-00 was never released, N900 was. I have/use N900.
You need a google account, but you don't have to do anything with it. My gmail account is for one purpose only and the rest of the services are useless to me.
You don't need to login to youtube to watch the videos. I don't have an account for youtube and i can watch videos fine. I don't get the favorite lists or that playback later feature, but that's fine.
It's not a nokia. What kind of apps do you do, if you can't read that much? I think you shouldn't test them, just say "won't work with Jolla" and i'm good, since i don't think i'd like your apps anyway.
"Oh my god I bought a bicycle and now I realize I am supposed to work the pedals myself! It sucks! Where is my engine?!"
So you bought a product without first checking its specifications, and then it turns out it doesn't fit your needs? Your own fault.
How many cores does it have? I can haz rapid alignment-free quantification of isoform abundance in my pocket? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ckingsf/software/sailfish/
...and I am sold.
I tried the iPhone. Didn't like it, too much of a walled garden.
I tried Android. It's UI sucks. Huge incosistences all around.
I will stick with my N900 until a Sailfish phone with a hardware keyboard arrives.
I've been a loyal Nokia fan during their "it" days. Heck I still have my Nokia 5800XM with a 2.5G simcard in it! Bloody thing is locked to Orange. My first great disappointment was with the N810. Everything took ages to load even the GPS. Everything sort-of needed a user manual to operate and the battery life was horrendous. Nokia's lack of quickly getting onboard with touchscreen (on their normal phones) alienated me and in the end I went for an iPhone. Problem solved! There was no way I was going to buy one of their Windows Phone. Windows? Seriously!!!
Am sure this new model is an "Android Metoo" phone. Goodluck with that and goodbye.
Otherwise, I'd stick with iOS - also iOS (like Windows and Metro) has a hybrid kernel, unlike Android or Linux.
ZOMG SOME RANDOM BITS OF DARWIN LIVE IN USERLAND AND GET MESSAGES FROM THE KERNEL THAT'S SO KOOL!!!!!!1111ONE!!!!!!!!!
And, whilst NT has a bit more such stuff, neither of them are sufficiently different from an Old Fashioned Monolithic Kernel to be particularly interesting in that regard.
As soon as I read the line "...but can run most apps..." a feeling crept in that they most probably doing something wrong or had to make some hard compromises - just replicate the damn Android API, piece by piece, it is open is it not? "Most" today is a recipe for disaster - nobody likes almost working things. Jolla - talk with Google, certify Jolla as Android API compatible to a degree it is possible to actually "certify" for that kind of thing, and don't make yourself smaller than need be by stating "can run most apps". As a startup, you only have one shot at it, before you are shot back at - don't mess things up with inferiority in critical areas. Today it is not about hardware, it is about software - Android and iOS rule, and "most apps" means that you will win over "few" customers. Mark my word - unless you fix Androd compatibility, forget about it (and we will forget about you in 1-2 years.)
That's pronounced "hoh-ya" as in La Jolla. Good luck getting anyone to say it differently.
they are doing way better than nokia.
There's only 500 of the things available at launch apparently, I should hope they sold them all already. Look out Samsung!
Wait, you needed a MicroSD slot and you bought a tablet without one? I see why you didn't log in.
Also, you don't need to use a google account at all, unless you want to use google services.
Nice-ish troll, though.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Otherwise, I'd stick with iOS - also iOS (like Windows and Metro) has a hybrid kernel, unlike Android or Linux.
OSX and Windows are both about equally microkernel operating systems, which is to say, they both have a HAL. That's about all OSX is using the underlying microkernel for. Just like Windows EXEs don't run against the HAL but against the kernel, OSX executables run against the kernel, not the microkernel, which is why it's not really a microkernel-based operating system. Meanwhile, Linux has been moving more and more functionality into userspace, which gives it some properties similar to a microkernel.
Or IOW, you don't know what you're talking about.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
They licenced an android compatibility layer from people who have talked to google a lot over five years or so and who had decided to "replicate the damn Android API, piece by piece" quite some time back.
The platform â" originally called MeeGo â" was developed by Nokia
Uh what? It's a merge of Moblin, from Intel, and Maemo from Nokia. And the nicest-looking interface is from Moblin. Nice Nokia fellation, though, submitter.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Witness the extremely aggressive push to even remove things like (micro)SD slots from mobile phones and tablets under the guise that it's a "design compromise"
I thought the point of removing support for microSD cards and USB flash drives was to avoid needing to pay royalties to Microsoft for use of its patented file systems VFAT (long file names in FAT16 and FAT32) and exFAT (default file system for microSDXC cards). But with Windows XP going away within the next half year, I guess phone makers could just use UDF instead.
Even then, I think the patents only covered storing both forms of the filename so IIRC if you store only the long form and don't bother creating an 8.3 filename then I don't think you're technically in violation.
One still has to create an 8.3 filename because the information that would be associated with an inode in *n?x file systems is associated with the directory entry containing the 8.3 filename in FAT.
exFAT I'm not very sure about since I inevitably end up formatting them FAT32 anyway
Having to reformat is inconvenient. First, the user would lose all data on the card, which is kind of hard if the user is sharing the card with a camera or something. Second, the formatting tool that ships with Windows caps FAT32 at 32 GB. ("It's called FAT32, isn't it?" I know that's not the real reason, but first tier tech support is almost as clueless about these things as the public.)
One counterpoint that can be made is that Steve Jobs is dead.
On my phone I use Firefox and never log onto Google services with it.
The Verge has posted a hands on with Jolla. It's not good news:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/29/5156446/jolla-smartphone-hands-on-preview
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Eastasia
"We have always been at war with Eastasia"
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
But Panama Canal splits Panama - it's not the border of Panama & Colombia. In fact, a wee bit of Columbia is in the Central American strip. Just like the Sinai is a part of Egypt, yet is considered a part of Asia/Eurasia.
Doesn't matter. Everything east of the Urals is in Asia. At any rate, if Eurasia is being considered a single continent, Russia very much falls within it.
If it is Meego, what is it based on? Atom (like Intel originally planned?) or ARM?
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/29/5156446/jolla-smartphone-hands-on-preview
I'm one of the guys who got the phone two days ago. You can read my quick review here.
To summarize: the user interface based on swiping works quite nicely, even if a bit confusing at first, and the phone works OK as a minimalistic smartphone. On Day 1, there still are quite many bugs and usability issues that need to be worked out.
Compared to Android or iOS, the visual simplicity of the user interface views is extreme, no buttons or decorations almost anywhere. When you open the phone app, you just see a very plain call log. In the email app, you just get a list of emails, and when you open an email, there's just a title followed by text. On the downside, views are often rather over-simplified, so that things are hidden too well, and workflows to get to what you want are often a bit complex and unintuitive. There's no status row that is always visible, system settings aren't accessible immediately everywhere, but you need to go to the start screen, etc.
Some critical features such as WiFi access point missing (or I just haven't found it after poking around 2 days).
Around 30 native apps; some Android apps work just fine, but many do not, and the selection is in practice very limited.