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GitHub Takes Down Satirical 'C Plus Equality' Language
FooAtWFU writes "Some clowns and jokers over at 4chan thought it would be a funny idea to put together a web page for a programming language named 'C Plus Equality' as a parody of feminism, dismissing OOP as 'objectifying' and inheritance as "a tool of the patriarchy". But this parody was apparently too hot to host at Github, which took down the original Github repository after receiving criticism on Twitter, prompting a backlash and inquiry into the role of free speech and censorship on Github's platform. The project has since found a new home on BitBucket, at least for the time being." Comments on an article describing the research which sparked the parody call the parody's language "fake," and compare it to the 1996 Sokal affair. (It also reminds me a bit of Jesux.)
Is that Github also killed off all the forked versions of the repo as well, not just the main one.
I'm a little bit annoyed that they both have this power and used it in this wya.
It seems it was also too hot for Hacker News to discuss.
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Oh this thread should be good, combining programming, version control, feminism and censorship in one delicious gooey filling. Making popcorn. BRB.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Its not the government. Its a private entity and thus not bound by the first amendment.
But it does bring up an important point- GitHub is a private entity, a for-profit company. Right now, they provide a useful service if you like git. In the future they may not. Many companies have helped the FOSS community then turned their backs on it. Use them, but don't ever fully trust them.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
She wasn't aware of C Plus Equality until now
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Well. Github's Terms of Service clearly identifies that "We may, but have no obligation to, remove Content and Accounts containing Content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, pornographic, obscene or otherwise objectionable". I assume they used that discretion to find it either "offensive" or "otherwise objectionable". And clearly Github is well within their legal rights to take down this content.
But it does illustrate the limits of Github's commitment to freedom and openness: if it offends Github's staff, or if Github thinks it offends people who could get them in some level of trouble, they'll take down your content. So, you can still use Github as a platform to effect change in the world, but only insofar as Github&co agree with you.
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Specifically it looks like it might be a satire of the entirely serious Feminist programming Language discussion (http://m.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages).
"The idea came about while discussing normative and feminist subject object theory. I realized that object oriented programmed reifies normative subject object theory. This led me to wonder what a feminist programming language would look like, one that might allow you to create entanglements (Karen Barad Posthumanist Performativity)."
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/pull/8253
I am sorry, but C+= is not the first parody language.....
they are totally within their rights of being that lame, of course, but they chose to be totally lame here.
Ah well, good for BitBucket.
The difference is that mindfuck isn't targeting one group of people with a demeaning "parody".
Imperative languages are patriarchal - some privileged brogrammer barking orders - so surely a declarative language is the way to go?
In fact, the only feminist program you ever need to write goes:
RADICAL NOTION: women==people
...and then any non-patriarchal machine knows what you want done.
Given this community's gender troubles (e.g. http://www.livescience.com/9772-geeks-drive-girls-computer-science.html), does mocking feminists do anything other than confirm the boy's club. Yes, misapplying feminist critiques of male dominated society to programming languages is amusing, but really lads, time to clean up the house.
Considering their platform is mainly closed-source, I'm not sure this is the first place we've spotted that they are not fully committed to freedom and openness. They're a business that sells project hosting space, using the free accounts as a marketing & onboarding tool, not some kind of free-culture advocacy group.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Mindfuck is also an actual interpreter for an actual programming language. It may not be the most useful programming language, but it is one. The interpreter's source code is what's hosted on Github: it's code, in a code repository, pretty much the kind of thing GitHub intends to host. C+= was not a language implementation, not even an implementation of a parody language.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Right cause that would not happen on github:
https://github.com/Ossendar/octopus-feminazi
https://github.com/search?q=nigger&type=Repositories&ref=searchresults
https://github.com/k0r3/JewCoin
Threads on /g/ rarely last more than a day (just due to how fast the board is) and that thread especially will hit the culling limit soon. You should replace the link with this one: http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/38739122 or any other reputable 4chan archive site
As a matter of being polite, free hosting services like GitHub should have a "standard practice" of providing an "easy download of all data" for discontinued accounts.
For collaborative projects, this might be either putting the thing in "read only" mode for several weeks or bundling up the whole thing in a tarball-like dataset (in a non-proprietary format of course) and letting anyone who previously contributed download the thing for a reasonable period of time.
This would be "standard practice." There would be case-by-case exceptions for things which cannot be hosted in this way, such as material that would put an undue burden on the hosting service or which is otherwise infeasible or impossible for the hosting service to provide this kind of "graceful exit."
In short: To maintain good public relations, services should make reasonable efforts to assist those who uploaded data or who participated in collaborative projects can get their data back if the account is suddenly terminated by the hosting service.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
The real question is: on which ground, that is, on what T.O.S. did the GitHub team acts upon to disable this repository ?
Not in California, where GitHub is headquartered. California's constitution says "everyone has the right to free speech" and the Supreme Court of the US has interpreted this to mean that it goes beyond "Congress shall pass no law..." and applies, in some situations, to private entities. The more someone opens their property up to the use of the general public, the more their private property rights are circumscribed by the publics. See Pruneyard vs. Robins. I'm not saying that people certainly have a right to use Github like they way they have a right to pass out fliers at a shopping center or outside a big box store, but to deny that freedom of speech applies to private businesses/property in California is wrong.
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!
This would not be the first time. Earlier this year, the Extremely Vocal Minority had Locus Online take down my April Fools piece.
Original feminists had real complaints. Third Wave/Race Critical Theory/Victimhood Identity Politics feminists seem to believe that they have a right not to be offended.
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
And you have fallen into the trap that so many feminists do. I make a criticism against an ideology. You tried to show this was a horrifically offensive criticism by transposing into a criticism against a race. A person does not choose their race (or their gender, sexuality etc.) but they do choose to have an ideology. You make the same tragic error as those who believe any criticism of Islam is racism.
Having constructed an absurd straw man, you then top things off with an ad hominem. You know nothing about me - not least the fact that I'm happily married.
The problem is that misogyny is seen as offensive where misandry is treated as non-offensive and acceptable behavior for women to have :-/ Whereas it should either be both unacceptable or both acceptable.
Did you know github also hosts blogs?
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
You don't have any rights. No one has rights. Rights are guarantees. In this Universe, there are no guarantees. Tomorrow, you might be killed by a wild animal. Or perhaps, a meteor might come tumbling down and wipe out all life on Earth, including you. What good were your rights?
As society collapses due to feminism, and we return to a state of barbarism, you will come to realize that your rights never meant anything at all.
Feminism is unsustainable. It collapsed the Roman empire, and now it collapses Western civilization.
- 5th century BC: Roman civilization is a a strong patriarchy, fathers are liable for the actions of their wife and children, and have absolute authority over the family (including the power of life and death)
- 1st century BC: Roman civilization blossoms into the most powerful and advanced civilization in the world. Material wealth is astounding, citizens (i.e.: non slaves) do not need to work. They have running water, baths and import spices from thousands of miles away. The Romans enjoy the arts and philosophy; they know and appreciate democracy, commerce, science, human rights, animal rights, children rights and women become emancipated. No-fault divorce is enacted, and quickly becomes popular by the end of the century.
- 1st-2nd century AD: The family unit is destroyed. Men refuse to marry and the government tries to revive marriage with a "bachelor tax", to no avail. Children are growing up without fathers, Roman women show little interest in raising their own children and frequently use nannies. The wealth and power of women grows very fast, while men become increasingly demotivated and engage in prostitution and vice. Prostitution and homosexuality become widespread.
- 3rd-4th century AD: A moral and demographic collapse takes place, Roman population declines due to below-replacement birth-rate. Vice and massive corruption are rampant, while the new-born Catholic Religion is gaining power (it becomes the religion of the Empire in 380 AD). There is extreme economic, political and military instability: there are 25 successive emperors in half a century (many end up assassinated), the Empire is ungovernable and on the brink of civil war.
- 5th century AD: The Empire is ruled by an elite of military men that use the Emperor as a puppet; due to massive debts and financial problems, the Empire cannot afford to hire foreign mercenaries to defend itself (Roman citizens have long ago being replaced by mercenaries in the army), and starts "selling" parts of the Empire in exchange for protection. Eventually, the mercenaries figure out that the "Emperor has no clothes", and overrun and pillage the Empire.
- humanity falls back into the Bronze Age (think: eating squirrel meat and living in a cave); 12 centuries of religious zilotry (The Great Inquisition, Crusades) and intellectual darkness follow: science, commerce, philosophy, human rights become unknown concepts until they are rediscovered again during the Age of Enlightenment in 17th century AD.
Feminism, in just about all its various forms, is about relationships among human beings, especially where those relationships concern women and girls. Programming, on the other hand, is about human-machine relationships, in particular about how humans -- who tend to think in very fuzzy ways -- can control and manipulate computing devices that "think" in very exacting ways are are very good at doing what they are told rather than what we want them to do. Feminism is certainly relevant to how programmers interact with one another, but not so much with the programming itself.
Whereas it should either be both unacceptable or both acceptable.
The short response to your comment is that it ignores existing (historical) power structures in society.
So while I agree that both should be unacceptable, the reality is that one is much more unacceptable as a direct result of [arbitrarily long time frame] in which women have been treated as either property or second class citizens.
[Fuck Beta]
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I wonder in what world you are living in. In the world I occupy misogyny and stereotypes about females are not only common, it is expected. Just read a technical article written by or referencing a female engineer/hacker and look at the comments. Or just read /. and see the comment patterns in e.g. articles about promoting programming for girls. Fucking scary if you ask me...
Can someone explain why so many people in the USA think human rights should only be respected by the government and not private individuals or corporations?
Up here in Canada the government has more leeway to infringe your rights than corporations or other citizens. For example the police can detain you, but private citizens cannot. The government can force you to pay taxes, but corporations cannot. The government can force a website to remove "hate speech", but a private citizen cannot. Yes, as a private citizen who owns or rents property, I have many rights over my private property including excluding those I do not like. But if I'm running a business catering to the public I do NOT get to discriminate against people based on their beliefs, creed, race, etc... Human Rights apply to all areas of the public - government and corporate.
Anarchists never rule
Lets say it together one more time, because feminists like you still don't seem to get it.
"An ideology is not a race"
Criticizing feminism is in no way comparable to having a go at someone for their ethic origin. Your ideology gets no such protection, and trying to claim that it does simply advertises the world that you cannot defend it on a level playing field. This is the exact same tactic used by people who try to deflect valid criticism on Islam on the grounds of racism. Ideas that have to shield themselves from criticism so are almost universally bad ideas.
women==people
This seems to be an exceptionally hard concept for many people to grasp.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Feminism isn't a sex either. ITS AN IDEOLOGY. Ideas do not get the protection people do, and any attempt to claim that protection is a sign of a bad idea.
Speaking of "privilege" in that manner is also a red flag, that suggests to me irrationality on your part.
In the US only protected classes have protection against discrimination.
To an extent that makes sense. Discriminating against crack heads is just smart. Discrimination based on only race is stupid.
The principle is 'public accommodation'. Businesses that deal with the public are examples.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Three? Two to argue about how inserting something into a socket is required for it to work is misogynist, and one to call a man.
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No it isn't. The vast majority of people agree with it. The problem is that feminists make a number of ideological propositions that they (rather poorly) infer from this concept, and then decide that anybody who doesn't make the same dodgy inferences doesn't agree with the concept. This, amongst other reasons, is why feminism has a credibility problem.
No, there are code samples. Here's my fav: https://bitbucket.org/FeministSoftwareFoundation/c-plus-equality/src/mistress/fizzbuzz.Xe
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
More irrationality.
I said privilege "in that manner". Its clear that people are born with money, natural talent etc. that others lack - but in the feminist context privileges are derived from group statistics (e.g. men are paid more than women) and then applied as personal characteristics to group members. In other words, people like you don't know their prior probabilities from their posteriors.
Then you go on and equate feminism with anti-racism. Another fail on your part. Feminism is not simply opposition to sexism. Once more for the hard-of-thinking: IT IS AN IDEOLOGY - and a bad one at that.
there was one coder, who really blogged, that github is racist for not allowing chinese characters in project names.
What. The. Fuck.
The Projectname is the folder name, and normal special chars like german umlauts are bad enough, but you cannot even type chinese chars without being chinese (while the german umlauts work very well with a compose key).
And on the other hand, coding in another language than english excludes many many people. So somebody who wants to do something only chinese people can use claims a system which cannot cope with chinese chars is racist ...
So, women==people, but also soylent_green==people.
Therefore women==soylent_green.
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Yeah dude, the guy followed her into a lift at 4am and invited her back to her room for coffee after she had announced she was going to bed, it being 4am and all in a foreign country and that. I don't know if you're at all familiar with the fact women get raped quite a lot, but they do, so being in an enclosed space with a stranger might make a woman a bit uncomfortable. So she mentioned it, in passing, as an example of what not to do. Then an angry horde took exception to the idea that their attention might not be welcome, any time, any place. And you're still bitching about it a *year* later?
[FUCK BETA]
I wish feminism was restricted to "women==people" (or "women=people"). Saying it is a "radical notion" seems rather hyperbolic. (Case in point: lookup the death rates for men, women, and children on the Titianic. Even back in the early 1900s, women and children were far more likely to live than men were because women and children were given priority access to the life boats. I guess when threatened with death, you save your "possessions" rather than people. [/sarcasm].) http://optional.is/required/2012/04/25/titanic-visualized/
My point being: this notion that popular society thinks women aren't persons is silly hyperbole.
The only people who don't think the general view is women == people are 'liberals' who like to think they're superior for repeating simplistic rhetoric. In the UK at least females passed equality decades ago. The schooling system in the west is badly gynocentric, we've thought feminist for so long the male being a person of equal worth is in doubt.
Feminism is a dogmatic ideology which believes gender to be entirely a social construct. It's as anti-science as creationism. It's an offshoot of Marxism which acts as a works union for just women. It uses propaganda based around sex and violence. etc
Women aren't inferior, but they are different to males. Evolution leaves females more likely to enjoy working with people. Males in general preferring working with systems. Differences in computer science are not based around the ideological proposition of feminism, male discrimination via patriarchy (A construct only feminists can see, control the definition of and benefit from.)
Simply: ~80% of females think computers are boring, because they're un-emotive abstract systems.
Recommend:
Original: http://vimeo.com/19707588
English: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0tg8_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-1-the-gender-equality-paradox_news
Women aren't inferior, but they are different to males.
Different but equal. Gotya.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Who is more respectful,
1) The guy who is honest, even when it offends some women?
2) The guy who hides his true opinion in order to 'have a quality relationship'?
How about the guy who's honest opinion is supporting the feminist position, that women are men's equals, with all sorts of hopes and dreams just like I have?
I am officially gone from
That's not the feminist position. The feminist position is "male is bad, female is good, no amount of unequally preferential treatment we can make other people give us will ever satisfy us." Feminism is not about equality or pursuing dreams, it's about changing society to always favor women over men, while strangely internally operating with victim cards as currency and a measure of ideological wealth and opinion value measurement.
No one should support an ideology that believes "shut up and listen" is the way to start a fruitful conversation.
I take pity on anyone who takes anything that comes out of 4chan seriously.
Can the techie community please lose the ridiculous overblown hostility to any woman who dares to suggest that there are real problems in our society stemming from a history of thousands of years of male domination of it. It actually just makes us look fucking stupid.
I would hazard to guess that most techie geeks don't dominate anybody. We tend to be put-upon. We're not the problem.
It seems like that would make feminists more attracted to geeks...but all we get is "Nerds? Ewww! Gross!"
Just sayin'.
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
The Islamic Golden Age never existed. It's a Big Lie. Just like how they claim they constructed the Taj Mahal. Muslims have a tendency to rewrite history in their favor. Muslims will point to Cordoba, claiming it was a city of high culture with a population of over 500,000 during the height of the golden age. Yet, archeologists have yet to find any evidence of such a sprawling city during this time. They find evidence of the Roman empire and the Visigoths, but there's nothing from when the Muslims ruled this land.
As for Christianity being the primary cause of Rome's collapse, this is false.
Christianity was a symptom of an empire already well on its way to collapse. Democracy, feminism (albeit, not quite the same as today's feminism), and mass immigration are what caused Rome to lose its identity. The modern version of Christianity today is Social Justice aka Neo-Marxism. Adherents of Social Justice are just as irrational and steadfast in their beliefs as Christians, and will suppress those who speak out against them, burning books and using made-up words such as "racist" and "bigot," which essentially mean the same thing as "heretic" and "pagan."
Bloody hell, I've never
You didn't then either. All you got is a massive failure of reading comprehension.
The article "works" if you substitute anything into it. As the parent poster pointed out quite correctly it is then a question as to whether the nubmers add up.
social justice warrior before
Ad-homenim. If you can't attack the messasage, shoot the mesanger.
SJW n. One who posts facts.