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GitHub Takes Down Satirical 'C Plus Equality' Language
FooAtWFU writes "Some clowns and jokers over at 4chan thought it would be a funny idea to put together a web page for a programming language named 'C Plus Equality' as a parody of feminism, dismissing OOP as 'objectifying' and inheritance as "a tool of the patriarchy". But this parody was apparently too hot to host at Github, which took down the original Github repository after receiving criticism on Twitter, prompting a backlash and inquiry into the role of free speech and censorship on Github's platform. The project has since found a new home on BitBucket, at least for the time being." Comments on an article describing the research which sparked the parody call the parody's language "fake," and compare it to the 1996 Sokal affair. (It also reminds me a bit of Jesux.)
Is that Github also killed off all the forked versions of the repo as well, not just the main one.
I'm a little bit annoyed that they both have this power and used it in this wya.
It seems it was also too hot for Hacker News to discuss.
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
Oh this thread should be good, combining programming, version control, feminism and censorship in one delicious gooey filling. Making popcorn. BRB.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
As far as I understand, the deleted project did not break laws or Github's rules.
It looks to me that the Github's deletion act is a violation of free speech.
Isn't that an oxymoron?
She wasn't aware of C Plus Equality until now
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
Specifically it looks like it might be a satire of the entirely serious Feminist programming Language discussion (http://m.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages).
"The idea came about while discussing normative and feminist subject object theory. I realized that object oriented programmed reifies normative subject object theory. This led me to wonder what a feminist programming language would look like, one that might allow you to create entanglements (Karen Barad Posthumanist Performativity)."
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/pull/8253
I am sorry, but C+= is not the first parody language.....
GitHub is a place for code, not political activism. If your project is more the latter than the former, it deserves to be removed. Put it on your own blog instead.
You do realize "Timothy" (OP) that these threads die in hours on 4chan... right?
they are totally within their rights of being that lame, of course, but they chose to be totally lame here.
Ah well, good for BitBucket.
The difference is that mindfuck isn't targeting one group of people with a demeaning "parody".
Imperative languages are patriarchal - some privileged brogrammer barking orders - so surely a declarative language is the way to go?
In fact, the only feminist program you ever need to write goes:
RADICAL NOTION: women==people
...and then any non-patriarchal machine knows what you want done.
The only relevant issues I see here are:
1) Is this parody within the scope of GitHub's reason-for-existance?
2) If it is outside of this scope, how has and how will GitHub treat similar repositories?
Unless GitHub has had a similar situation in the past and treated this repository differently, save the outrage until someone else comes along and pushes the boundaries in a similar way and GitHub reacts in a significantly different way without explaining why.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Given this community's gender troubles (e.g. http://www.livescience.com/9772-geeks-drive-girls-computer-science.html), does mocking feminists do anything other than confirm the boy's club. Yes, misapplying feminist critiques of male dominated society to programming languages is amusing, but really lads, time to clean up the house.
Mindfuck is also an actual interpreter for an actual programming language. It may not be the most useful programming language, but it is one. The interpreter's source code is what's hosted on Github: it's code, in a code repository, pretty much the kind of thing GitHub intends to host. C+= was not a language implementation, not even an implementation of a parody language.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Right cause that would not happen on github:
https://github.com/Ossendar/octopus-feminazi
https://github.com/search?q=nigger&type=Repositories&ref=searchresults
https://github.com/k0r3/JewCoin
Threads on /g/ rarely last more than a day (just due to how fast the board is) and that thread especially will hit the culling limit soon. You should replace the link with this one: http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/38739122 or any other reputable 4chan archive site
As a matter of being polite, free hosting services like GitHub should have a "standard practice" of providing an "easy download of all data" for discontinued accounts.
For collaborative projects, this might be either putting the thing in "read only" mode for several weeks or bundling up the whole thing in a tarball-like dataset (in a non-proprietary format of course) and letting anyone who previously contributed download the thing for a reasonable period of time.
This would be "standard practice." There would be case-by-case exceptions for things which cannot be hosted in this way, such as material that would put an undue burden on the hosting service or which is otherwise infeasible or impossible for the hosting service to provide this kind of "graceful exit."
In short: To maintain good public relations, services should make reasonable efforts to assist those who uploaded data or who participated in collaborative projects can get their data back if the account is suddenly terminated by the hosting service.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
The real question is: on which ground, that is, on what T.O.S. did the GitHub team acts upon to disable this repository ?
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!
This would not be the first time. Earlier this year, the Extremely Vocal Minority had Locus Online take down my April Fools piece.
Original feminists had real complaints. Third Wave/Race Critical Theory/Victimhood Identity Politics feminists seem to believe that they have a right not to be offended.
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http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
The Sokal affair was an academic exercise, comparing this to it is not adequate. On the other hand, indeed it's just like Jesux.
And this is a more direct link to it. The one in the article goes to Sokal's main page.
Time Bomber the Book coming soon.
Github is not some public square for satirical commentary on everyday life. Its for code.
Let me get this straight: Are you claiming that it's impossible for code itself to contain "satirical commentary on everyday life"?
I read the article that started all this, and all of the very interesting comments on that page. I really do mean it when I say some of her thinking may actually have applications in computer science. But all I keep thinking is: god forbid anyone explain male and female connectors to that lady. Can you imagine a hard drive that must give consent before you plug in the SATA cable? Worse?
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Feminism, in just about all its various forms, is about relationships among human beings, especially where those relationships concern women and girls. Programming, on the other hand, is about human-machine relationships, in particular about how humans -- who tend to think in very fuzzy ways -- can control and manipulate computing devices that "think" in very exacting ways are are very good at doing what they are told rather than what we want them to do. Feminism is certainly relevant to how programmers interact with one another, but not so much with the programming itself.
Lets say it together one more time, because feminists like you still don't seem to get it.
"An ideology is not a race"
Criticizing feminism is in no way comparable to having a go at someone for their ethic origin. Your ideology gets no such protection, and trying to claim that it does simply advertises the world that you cannot defend it on a level playing field. This is the exact same tactic used by people who try to deflect valid criticism on Islam on the grounds of racism. Ideas that have to shield themselves from criticism so are almost universally bad ideas.
Maybe add bitwise not as a postfix operator?
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Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
women==people
This seems to be an exceptionally hard concept for many people to grasp.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It's not a satire of equal rights, it's the reification of a feminist programming language. Or is that satire, too? Postmodernism proves that it's not satire if you believe it.
Is C++ sexist? Is C sexist? Is assembly language sexist? Are the physical laws of the universe sexist?
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Feminism isn't a sex either. ITS AN IDEOLOGY. Ideas do not get the protection people do, and any attempt to claim that protection is a sign of a bad idea.
Speaking of "privilege" in that manner is also a red flag, that suggests to me irrationality on your part.
Three? Two to argue about how inserting something into a socket is required for it to work is misogynist, and one to call a man.
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oh you. The term fuck is heteronormative, because lesbians cannot really fuck each other!
So, understanding that people are born with an upper hand in our society is irrational? Huh. I guess I would have assumed that any rational person would have seen this. You are right, feminism is an ideology. A very broad and diverse ideology that houses many different schools of thought. Many people disagree in the direction this ideology should go. But, they all agree that women, as a group, do not receive equal treatment. It serves as a vehicle to helping people attain equal treatment. Anti-racism is an ideology as well, but in reality, who would talk this badly about people who subscribe to anti-racist viewpoints? Honestly?
No it isn't. The vast majority of people agree with it. The problem is that feminists make a number of ideological propositions that they (rather poorly) infer from this concept, and then decide that anybody who doesn't make the same dodgy inferences doesn't agree with the concept. This, amongst other reasons, is why feminism has a credibility problem.
No, there are code samples. Here's my fav: https://bitbucket.org/FeministSoftwareFoundation/c-plus-equality/src/mistress/fizzbuzz.Xe
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
This is due to the NEVER ending saga of attention whore Rebecca Watson.
Intro:
Rebecca Watson runs a website (skepchick.org) which focuses, obviously, on feminism and skepticism, which is not news worthy of itself but she also has a subreddit on reddit, /r/atheismplus that is supposedly atheism+feminism but it's like 99% feminism and 1% atheism, except the "atheism" is actually atheism "lite" aka weak atheism, aka agnosticism. In other words they're merely using atheism as a tool for their feminist agenda.
PLUS the atheism+ crowd also runs /r/ShitRedditSays where they call out certain posts & certain posters and then gang downvote and harass people for things like making vaguely sexist or even merely sexual jokes by calling people rapists, misogynists and the like.
The incident that just won't fucking die:
Rebecca Watson was giving a speech at some skeptic conference and some guy (her direct story) asked her to have coffee with him (NOTHING else happened, no stalking, intimidation, etc) while they were in an elevator and she flipped out, cried sexual harassment, cried RAPE, and generally made a mountain out of literally nothing, a non-incident that other women wouldn't even give a 2nd thought to because most women have to deal with men asking them out all the time. But not Rebecca, for her it seems to be a first. Apparently men aren't even allowed to ask women out for a drink, for example, according to her.
The NEVER ending saga:
Since then, Rebecca keeps bringing up this (non)incident over and over and over, embellishing the story, imbuing it with more emotional pron and just won't let it fucking drop. This has gone on for at least 2 or 3 years now, maybe more-I forget, and she clings to this tale even after all the backlash has turned her into a self-parody of epic proportions. Either she is so stupid that she completely misses/ignores the mockery or she realizes that she will never have another "rape" incident in her life so she has to make this non-rape fairytale work for her because she is (I'll be kind) rather unattractive and it's hard to imagine even a homeless mongoloid with turrets finding her the object of his desires. On a positive note: at least she no longer wears the multi-colored clown wig hair-do.
To fan the flames of her self-martyrdom, aka lust for attention, she has authored articles like "Reddit Makes Me Hate Atheists" and gotten into gigantic public spats with other attention whores like youtube's TheAmazingAtheist, who promptly threatened her with rape (a joke she took seriously) because he's also an epic attention whore and a total worthless dick, and this C+= parody is just yet another step on the long journey thru the hell that is the tortured existence of Rebecca Watson.
If she would STFU for even a minute this would all fade quickly and be forgotten but NO!!! she won't because then everyone would forget she exists and her crappy website(s) would just be a small handful of angry femi-nazi misandrists talking to themselves about hair dye and how much they hate their dads.
Everyone RESENTS Rebecca's 1) attention whoring, 2) rape misrepresentations, 3) attempted high-jacking of atheism for her own personal fame, and 4) they are all incredulous that anyone actually would ask someone on a date who is so physically unattractive, has the personality of fingernails on a chalkboard, and the vibe, look and mannerisms of a desperate inept annoying loser.
And that's why you don't feed the trolls. She has made a joke out of the real suffering of real rape victims, a joke of real atheism, and a taken the "reality show" concept to its most painful, boring conclusion where she thrives on her own humiliation. It is all so sad and pathetic. Please! Make it STOP!!!!
More irrationality.
I said privilege "in that manner". Its clear that people are born with money, natural talent etc. that others lack - but in the feminist context privileges are derived from group statistics (e.g. men are paid more than women) and then applied as personal characteristics to group members. In other words, people like you don't know their prior probabilities from their posteriors.
Then you go on and equate feminism with anti-racism. Another fail on your part. Feminism is not simply opposition to sexism. Once more for the hard-of-thinking: IT IS AN IDEOLOGY - and a bad one at that.
What does that have to do with modern feminism? Seriously; are you that blind?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
>directly linking to a 4chan thread
>being this new to 4chan
Submitter needs to get back to reddit.
#naabhaprzrag, #sverubfr-000, #agi-fcbafberq, negvpyr[pynff*=' negvpyr-ary-'] { qvfcynl: abar !vzcbegnag; }
there was one coder, who really blogged, that github is racist for not allowing chinese characters in project names.
What. The. Fuck.
The Projectname is the folder name, and normal special chars like german umlauts are bad enough, but you cannot even type chinese chars without being chinese (while the german umlauts work very well with a compose key).
And on the other hand, coding in another language than english excludes many many people. So somebody who wants to do something only chinese people can use claims a system which cannot cope with chinese chars is racist ...
Reading comments on Hacker News made me even less likely to ever hire a woman in IT.
Who logs in to gdm? Not I, said the duck.
Who knows. It's not an unreasonable argument that the design of programming languages might ape the power structure of the society from which it springs. If that's true, then feminist theory provides a framework to unpick those assumptions and explore new areas of design. Doesn't sound so bad, does it?
[FUCK BETA]
So, women==people, but also soylent_green==people.
Therefore women==soylent_green.
---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
I wish feminism was restricted to "women==people" (or "women=people"). Saying it is a "radical notion" seems rather hyperbolic. (Case in point: lookup the death rates for men, women, and children on the Titianic. Even back in the early 1900s, women and children were far more likely to live than men were because women and children were given priority access to the life boats. I guess when threatened with death, you save your "possessions" rather than people. [/sarcasm].) http://optional.is/required/2012/04/25/titanic-visualized/
My point being: this notion that popular society thinks women aren't persons is silly hyperbole.
With a highly verbal programming language like COBOL, perhaps.
With a language that consists entirely of mathematical symbols and operators like "if","else" and "while", no.
No it isn't. The vast majority of people agree with it
I'm not convinced they do.
he problem is that feminists make a number of ideological propositions that they
Which ones? The ones beliveing women==people or the fringe nutjobs?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Show your working?
[FUCK BETA]
The only people who don't think the general view is women == people are 'liberals' who like to think they're superior for repeating simplistic rhetoric. In the UK at least females passed equality decades ago. The schooling system in the west is badly gynocentric, we've thought feminist for so long the male being a person of equal worth is in doubt.
Feminism is a dogmatic ideology which believes gender to be entirely a social construct. It's as anti-science as creationism. It's an offshoot of Marxism which acts as a works union for just women. It uses propaganda based around sex and violence. etc
Women aren't inferior, but they are different to males. Evolution leaves females more likely to enjoy working with people. Males in general preferring working with systems. Differences in computer science are not based around the ideological proposition of feminism, male discrimination via patriarchy (A construct only feminists can see, control the definition of and benefit from.)
Simply: ~80% of females think computers are boring, because they're un-emotive abstract systems.
Recommend:
Original: http://vimeo.com/19707588
English: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0tg8_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-1-the-gender-equality-paradox_news
Alan Sokal wrote a parody piece that was actually accepted by the people it parodied. Their inability to distinguish it from a serious work was the whole point of the parody. Meanwhile, these idiots just came up with a deliberately ridiculous strawman.
Jezebel, the Daily Mail of Feminism and frothing Men's Right's Activists have yet to pick up on this story. Of course, we are in the last few days before Christmas so one cannot blame them but I wonder what will happen when and if they do.
Jezebel: All Boys Club programmers attack women
The Spearhead: Men not allowed to criticize feminists
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
Women aren't inferior, but they are different to males.
Different but equal. Gotya.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You're using a comparison. I think you mean women=people instead, otherwise you've put out a comparison with no instructions on what to do with the result.
On a side note, I've often wondered if I could get a job as a professional privilege checker or patriarchy investigator. Being a P.I. would rock out hard and be cool like snakes with cigarettes. DON'T JUDGE ME!!!
*teenage angsts all over the keyboard and dies*
None, because they can't change shit!
*ducks so hard it rips open space-time*
The Spearhead: Men not allowed to criticize feminists
That seems to be what's going on here, yeah. So they would be the correct party.
I take pity on anyone who takes anything that comes out of 4chan seriously.
C++ starts with the same letter as cock! It must be sexist
Unless you count cunt too...
I give up.
I think you replied to the wrong person. My comment was more of a "meta-discussion" about when it is appropriate to direct outrage at a hosting provider: When they are faced with a novel situation and react in a given way, or when they are faced with a situation similar to one they have face before but react in a different way, creating the appearance of treating one end-user differently than another.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Brilliant. Deserves a reference to the United Negro College Fund parody from the TV show "In Living Color".
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
Can the techie community please lose the ridiculous overblown hostility to any woman who dares to suggest that there are real problems in our society stemming from a history of thousands of years of male domination of it. It actually just makes us look fucking stupid.
I would hazard to guess that most techie geeks don't dominate anybody. We tend to be put-upon. We're not the problem.
It seems like that would make feminists more attracted to geeks...but all we get is "Nerds? Ewww! Gross!"
Just sayin'.
"Once we've identified and embraced our sickness, we'll have strength...and that's when we get dangerous." - John Waters
Women in the UK haven't even reached pay parity for doing the same job yet, and women of child baring age are still widely discriminated against.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
(or "women=people")
Take care using the assignment operator if the left operand is defined as a constant. While some languages allow this, reassignment may result in unpredictable results.
Have gnu, will travel.
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Things were so much better before the left took over and made EVERYTHING political.
It was the conservatives who invented politically correct. It started as a satire against the liberals. It ended as a counter-counter movement promoting politeness. Conservatives hate politeness and freedom of speech, because that's all PC is. Say what you like, but stand by it. And if you are mean, people will use their freedom of speech to call you on it. Why do you hate freedom? We shouldn't be able to criticize bigots?
Learn to love Alaska
s/Dawson/Dawkins/. Really need to double check before I post...
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Doesn't this imply that men != people ?
A man walks into a feminist bookshop, he looks around for a while and then walks up to the checkout.
"Can I help" asks the cashier.
"I'm looking for the humour section" he replies
"Oh" the cashier says, "we don't have one of those".
Those matters may well deserve to be made fun of depending on what is meant by "equal treatment". In case of race/gender quotas for employment etc. they definitely do.
Laws of nature are definitely sexist because they disallow women en masse something that men en masse are capable of.
Did you actually read the "Research"? It was like a somebody threw a bunch of words on a page in the hope that they made some sense. If you can explain why using feminist ideology will make a better, faster, easier to use, less error prone or more efficient programming language, then I will accept that it's not worth parodying.
If this research takes off, I look forward to seeing the improvement of using feminist ideology in other processes - manufacturing machine screws, cooking, circuit board design. Can you really see it revolutionising the way in which we live? I can't, however I can see feminist ideology reducing the pay differences between the sexes, and improving workplace equality.
In addition, can you you see the use in a language which has the following feature:
I think this type of logic represents the feminist idea that something can be and not be without being a contradiction, that is a system where the following statement is not explosive: (p && p) == 1.
It actually made me laugh out loud.
Ate special characters:
(p && !p) == 1
F**k GitHub.
I don't care if the project's a joke -- that's not their call.
A bunch of trolls thought GitHub could be provoked to take sides and guesswhat? they did!
Great job.
Ah, a fine example of intellectual sloth and fallacious reasoning. "Disagreement equals justification."
.. or so says http://blog.megan.geek.nz/how-git-shows-the-patriarchal-nature-of-the-software-industry/
Perhaps. But any strain of feminism (or any other philosophy) that requires that one deny propositional logic (e.g. accept that p && !p is not necessarily false) and accept the philosophy only on its own terms -- that's one of the crazy ones.
*github, and caused it to become a story on slashdot! Way to sweep that one under the rug...
Sadly, a Libertarian cannot force his views on another, and freedom cannot spread as does the cancer known as religion.
This is mere socialism cloaked in democratic idealism. There is no, "we all vote on corporate behaviours", ingrained into any successfully free society. The rules are fashioned through success and bent for he needed emotions.
He is crazy if you think about it; I am not.
Only if men != women.
From the comments, it looks like the concept of logical equivalence is indeed a hard concept to grasp.
!women || people (a logical consequence) is probably closer to the intended meaning.
I do not think, its "easy", but of course its possible. But do you really want to work with a project, where you need to copy and paste every filename? And where the author seems to want you to use chinese names for new files? Do you even understand, what a filename means? Maybe you do, i do not. ;).
Even with the understanding, non-ascii chars in filenames are still FUBAR. And for coding the lower ascii chars ought be enought to be enough for everyone
Men not allowed nationalsoz... erm.. feminism? Let a woman do it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSaT9utl4Ys