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Next-Gen Windshield Wipers To Be Based On Jet Fighter "Forcefield" Tech

cartechboy writes "It looks like the old-school windshield wiper is about to be replaced by new technology — but not until 2015. British car-maker McLaren is apparently developing a new window cleaning system that is modeled from fighter jet tech. The company isn't revealing exactly how it will work, but the idea comes from the chief designer simply asking a military source why you don't see wipers on jets as they land. Experts expect McClaren to use constantly active, high-frequency sound waves outside the range of human hearing that will effectively create a force field across a car's windshield to repel water, ice insects and other debris. Similar sound waves are used by dentists to remove plaque from teeth."

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  1. Ice insects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This wiper also keeps lions away.

    1. Re:Ice insects? by Scutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know some journalists hate the Oxford Comma, but this is getting ridiculous,

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    2. Re:Ice insects? by steelfood · · Score: 2

      More importantly, will it also keep away fire deer and earth bears?

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    3. Re:Ice insects? by richlv · · Score: 2

      pfft. lions. we're talking about ice insects from outer space here

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    4. Re:Ice insects? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can it be adjusted by turning a knob. So if it is raining really hard I can divert power from the AC to the Shields.

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    5. Re:Ice insects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nice comment, but that wasn't an Oxford comma, it was simply incorrect.

      Article (incorrect): "to repel water, ice insects and other debris."

      Standard comma: "to repel water, ice, insects and other debris."

      Oxford comma: "to repel water, ice, insects, and other debris."

      I should know, I'm at Oxford.

    6. Re:Ice insects? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 2

      That's the joke: they hate the Oxford Comma so much they got rid of the one before it as well, just to be safe.

    7. Re:Ice insects? by Inflammatory+Fallacy · · Score: 2

      It's almost as if British English and American English are separate dialects. In which case arguing over which one is 'correct' is fairly useless, no?

  2. High power ultrasound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    so it also drives cats, dogs and other animals crazy in 100m radius?

    1. Re:High power ultrasound? by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Teenagers are programmed to only hear things that have been turned up to 11.

    2. Re:High power ultrasound? by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, man, like brown noise. I hope this thing makes dogs shit all over everything.

      Oh, wait.

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    3. Re:High power ultrasound? by fisted · · Score: 2

      I can still tell when a CRT is turned on in another room

      Oh yeah, dammit this used to drive me nuts when i was younger.. Now I'm pretty close to 30 and ... to be honest I haven't been near a CRT in /ages/ so I really can't tell whether I'd still hear it.

    4. Re:High power ultrasound? by Zynder · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry guy. I made that joke to my teens and they didn't get it. See the world has moved on and inflation is a real bitch. 11 just isn't good enough anymore. To get a reaction out of kids these days, it better be OVER 9000! or they won't even raise an eyebrow. Why the hell are they still on my lawn?

  3. Re:Impossible by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm pretty sure that most tech involving sound waves is not developed in space.

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  4. What if windshield has a minor crack by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will the vibrations exacerbate the crack?

    1. Re:What if windshield has a minor crack by nytes · · Score: 2

      No, your windshield just explodes.

      But then you still don't need any windshield wipers!

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    2. Re:What if windshield has a minor crack by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      No, your windshield just explodes.

      Highway to the danger zone!

    3. Re:What if windshield has a minor crack by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 2

      Watch your blind spot, Maverick!

  5. What happens when it can't keep up? by Monty845 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happens when its raining heavily, and a vehicle going the other way hits a puddle, and dumps a massive wave of water on your windshield? What happens when its full inch of heavy slush? I'd say its a nice addition on top of regular wipers, but I'm very skeptical about replacing them.

    1. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by hubie · · Score: 4, Funny

      They forgot to mention that you need to be driving 500 mph for these to be most effective.

    2. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Funny

      Solution: Don't drive a McClaren in those conditions. You'll just have to take the Bentley, or the Rolls Royce.

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    3. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by mjr167 · · Score: 2

      Same thing that happens currently....

      You either go oh fuck, swerve, and crash or calmly wait for your "wipers" to catch up.

      Oddly this is the same thing that happens when an asshat comes over the top of the hill with their high beams on...

    4. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Solution: Don't drive a McClaren in those conditions. You'll just have to take the Bentley, or the Rolls Royce.

      You don't drive a Bentley or a Rolls Royce... Your chauffeur drives the Bentley or the Roller. So it doesn't matter how the windscreen is kept clean as you will be riding in back, far away from such irrelevancies.
      As it should be.

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    5. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Almost... you drive a Bentley, but get driven in a Rolls. Otherwise, mere prols such as myself wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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    6. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I ride in a Bentley that is towed by a chauffeur driven Rolls Royce.

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    7. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What happens when every time a new invention is announced Slashdotters continually come up with edge cases, apparently assuming that the inventors are fucking idiots who didn't think of that instead of that the article just didn't mention it! What happens when they're always modded to +5! What happens then OMG!

    8. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      You're the third person I've seen so far in this article to mention McLaren, and the first to actually spell it correctly. 2 points :)

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    9. Re:What happens when it can't keep up? by Maow · · Score: 2

      Solution: Don't drive a McClaren in those conditions. You'll just have to take the Bentley, or the Rolls Royce.

      You don't drive a Bentley or a Rolls Royce... Your chauffeur drives the Bentley or the Roller. So it doesn't matter how the windscreen is kept clean as you will be riding in back, far away from such irrelevancies.

      As it should be.

      The windscreen is kept clean by the butler strapped to the bonnet / hood and operating a squeegee.

      Of course.

  6. Or... by msauve · · Score: 3, Informative

    You could just buy a bottle of Rain-X.

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    1. Re:Or... by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      I don't know any more about this than I was told by a windshield tech, but the people they send out to fix chips in windows so they don't develop into cracks, first ask if you've ever used rainx on your windshield. I'm told that whatever they use to repair chips (I'm totally ignorant on the technology) doesn't work on windshields treated with rainx.

      On the other hand, rainx works really well for its intended purpose.

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    2. Re:Or... by jandrese · · Score: 3, Funny

      You probably won't notice the rain distortion so much if your windshield always makes the world look like a softcore porn shoot.

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    3. Re: Or... by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 2

      You don't just fill the water-bottle with it and re-apply as needed through the windshield-wash control? Or is the pump disabled for some reason where it won't spray anymore?

  7. Re:Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In space, no one can hear you wipe

  8. Compressed Air by aaronb1138 · · Score: 2

    Surely someone at the automotive companies has already tested a tiny, high pressure air nozzle that sweeps across from just below the windscreen. It's nice that McLaren is driving new technology, but face it, our cars could be much better. The issue is always budgets, and the $1 here, $4 there for better components supposedly adds up to automobiles costing 2-4x what they currently do. At least that is what the accountants that turn down the engineers ideas say. Sometimes that is true, sometimes I want to yell bullshit as I whack someone upside the head with a baseball bat.

    1. Re:Compressed Air by flaming+error · · Score: 3, Funny

      "The issue is always budgets, and the $1 here, $4 there for better components supposedly adds up ... Sometimes that is true, sometimes I want to...whack someone upside the head with a baseball bat."

      While baseball bats may be suitable, we here in accounting will only approve the less expensive 1-meter steel pipe from Dai Yung Enterprises.

    2. Re:Compressed Air by aaronb1138 · · Score: 2

      Umm, no, the issue is how the air flows over the windshield. The air that strikes your windshield when traveling 40 MPH is only going 20-30 MPH at some obtuse angle. Understand that the air already pushed by the windshield slows relative velocity of the air ahead of the car. An air nozzle would be designed to remove laminar flow characteristics via pressure, velocity and spray geometry, effectively scooping under the water. Most of the velocity of air striking a windshield actual helps hold the water against the glass, but you don't see this until you break the velocity into parallel and perpendicular components to the windshield.

      The ultrasonic approach the article speaks of operates because it bubbles the water off the surface of the windshield, breaking the Van der Waals bond and friction that is keeping the water from being pulled into the flow of air passing over the car.

      Lastly, I was just throwing out an idea that has likely been tried using existing technology, possibly as far back as 40-50 years ago.

    3. Re:Compressed Air by PPH · · Score: 2

      sometimes I want to yell bullshit as I whack someone upside the head with a baseball bat.

      But McLaren is a British firm. And a baseball bat just wouldn't be cricket, old chap.

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  9. Nanotech? by __aatbmk7644 · · Score: 2

    Why not use a superhydrophobic nano coating?

  10. Howling dogs by cyberfringe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this why my dog howls when he drives my McClaren in the rain? I always thought he howled for the sheer fun of it!

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  11. Not the plaque cleaner, please! by nytes · · Score: 2

    Similar sound waves are used by dentists to remove plaque from teeth.

    Um, I hear those sound waves just fine (high frequency sensitive). My dentist had to give up using it on me.

    If this sounds anything like that horrid sonic plaque cleaner, I'm going to have to move to my zombie apocalypse survival compound in Montana. Too bad, I was saving it for the actual zombie apocalypse.

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    1. Re:Not the plaque cleaner, please! by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, I hear those sound waves just fine (high frequency sensitive). My dentist had to give up using it on me.

      You may not actually be hearing the sound waves themselves, but the harmonics they create inside of your skull/jawbone/ear.

      I can hear them too, but I've more or less concluded that, like everything else in a dentist office, it's temporary and the benefits outweigh the nuisance.

      I hate the sound, but it seems less problematic than the medieval tools they use otherwise.

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  12. Bleed Air, Not Sound by DougF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Jet fighters use bleed air to clear the windscreens, not high frequency sound. The pilot just has to remember to use it sparingly on the ground, or the windscreen melts, which most pilots agree is a bad thing...and mechanics get really ticked off replacing them. Another way to clean the windscreens is a quick shot of JP-8 from your nearby in-flight refueler (booms works best), but you didn't hear that from me...

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  13. Bugs and Dirt by deKernel · · Score: 2

    As one who drives through regions (think the U.P. of Michigan for U.S.'ers), I am curious as to how it will "fix" the bugs getting smeared on the windscreen.

    1. Re:Bugs and Dirt by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am curious as to how it will "fix" the bugs getting smeared on the windscreen.

      Heck I've never found a set of windshield wipers that truly solves this problem. Usually they just end up smearing bug guts all over.

  14. Combine it! by Wdi · · Score: 4, Funny

    For maximum effect, apply JP-8 and scorching hot exhausts simultaneously!

  15. Maybe you can learn something from figher tech... by Wdi · · Score: 2

    but passenger aircraft have very standard motorized windscreen wipers, really low tech...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pIasu8TdhA&hd=1

  16. Re:Rain X by DougF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...for about 30 seconds and then as the aircraft accelerates past 200kts or so, the rain x is scrubbed off. We tried it, didn't work. Best thing is to use a plexiglass polish to keep the glass as smooth as possible between flights. A bug hitting the windscreen of a fighter jet going 500+kts is not going to be repelled by high frequency sound or any hydrophobic surface. I've seen dents in the leading edges of the wings just from hitting grasshoppers...

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  17. Re:Impossible by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    If there's a solid there, then it isn't space, is it?

  18. Should be entertaining for some. by couchslug · · Score: 2

    In our avionics shop one prankster would set (after hooking up a concealed tweeter) the audio oscillator just above the range of normal hearing and enjoy the reactions from those who still had some of their high freq sensitivity left.
    His other trick was telling noobs the black plastic urinal cup on OV-10 Broncos was an "auxiliary interphone" and having them speak into it while listening for side tone.

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  19. Re:Cool, about time for some windshield wiper tech by CubicleZombie · · Score: 2

    Notice you can't buy refills anymore? Used to be, you just bought the rubber part and only replaced the rigid part when it was really trashed (basically never). Now stores only sell the whole blade.

    Progress!

    (on topic, nobody drives a McLaren in the rain.)

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  20. Re:No. Just, no. by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    "Inferior" and "Superior" are subjective. It might give an inferior cleaning but still be a superior product for other reasons. My Nook Color is a technically inferior product to my mother's Nexus 10, but I consider it a superior product because it costs significantly less. Likewise, my car has an inferior engine when comparing power, but it's far superior in terms of mileage. Canada may be inferior because they invented Justin Bieber, but they're actually superior because they got rid of him.

  21. Re:What they didn't say... by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    They still have to taxi, takeoff, and land.

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  22. Re:What they didn't say... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    They don't land at 10,000+ feet, you say? Are you saying this thing is a fake?

  23. Re:Rain X by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've seen dents in the leading edges of the wings just from hitting grasshoppers...

    If pilots are doing 500+kts at altitudes reachable by grasshoppers, I'd be worried about the dents caused by trees. And small children.

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  24. same old shit different decade by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    Similar systems were announced in the 1980s in various popular tech rags. damn, live long enough and things just go in cycles.

    http://www.google.com/patents/US4768256

  25. Re:What they didn't say... by Talderas · · Score: 4, Informative

    I believe jets do indeed land at 10,000+ feet. There are 13 commercial airports with an altitude of 10,000 feet or higher. That's not including any military airports.

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  26. Only if going really fast by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This works on fighters because 1) in flight, they're always going really fast by automotive standards, and 2) their canopies are angled far into the windstream. If water can be broken free of surface tension, it will be blown away. For a car stopped in heavy rain in traffic, it probably won't do much.

  27. Re:Impossible by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2

    The interplanetary medium can carry sound waves. Of course, it is moving faster than the local speed of sound outward from the sun (the solar wind). So if you shouted really loud from the ISS, someone in the asteroid belt might be able to hear you. But not the other way around.

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  28. Re:Impossible by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 2

    Not even with Russian sandpaper grade industrial toilet paper.

  29. Re:Impossible by SleazyRidr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Especially when it's been hit by an ice insect from outer space...

  30. Re:Rain X by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Informative

    If pilots are doing 500+kts at altitudes reachable by grasshoppers, I'd be worried about the dents caused by trees. And small children.

    You may have heard of locusts before. All a locust is is a grasshopper in its migratory phase. Many species of grasshopper can fly quite well.

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  31. Good thing by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

    Good thing this guy is already dead.

    This would just be adding insult to injury. His whole life, the industry rapes his idea. Now they just toss it aside, obsolete.

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  32. Formula 1 technology by rossdee · · Score: 2

    Generaly Maclarens don't have trouble with vehicles coming the other way, and if its raining that heavily, you'd better box, and put on full wets (Of course Maclaren only take a couple of seconds to actually change the tires)

  33. Re:What they didn't say... by Nivag064 · · Score: 2

    Not only that but jets can land and take off below sea level.