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Surviving the Internet On Low Speed DSL

toygeek writes "Earlier this year my family and I moved out into the woods, where high speed is simply not available. We traded in high speed for high latency, clean air and peace and quiet. We've made it work, and can even watch Netflix and Hulu while I'm off in another room working from home full time. Read along as I share some tips about how we've made it work, and the compromises we've had to make." It can be done; low-end DSL from AT&T is also what I somehow muddled through with for most of the last 18 months; though the connection often failed and the followup support was terrible, it worked well enough most of the time, and sure beat a 56K modem.

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  1. How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is this news?

    1. Re:How is this news? by twocows · · Score: 2

      DSL. Hah. I lived on DSL for the better part of a decade, from the early 00s well into 2008. I've lived with dial-up several times in the past few years alone (see here for a detailed post about that and how I coped if you care). I sure as hell didn't try to submit it as an article, though. Maybe I should start a blog with a fancy newsy-sounding name and submitting every entry to /. at the rate articles are getting greenlighted these days.

    2. Re:How is this news? by toygeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was afraid folks would think that. I removed the ads, they're all but ineffective for revenue anyway. I'm sorry you didn't like my solutions, but that's how it goes. If one person benefits from something I wrote, that's enough for me. Plus, I just like getting my stuff out there and being *read*.

    3. Re:How is this news? by hodet · · Score: 2

      I don't know what all these people are bitching about. I liked the read, thanks.

    4. Re:How is this news? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Uhhh...how EXACTLY is "Linux" any sort of solution when it comes to bandwidth? I'd like to have that one explained please, because you can have a BSD/OSX/Windows box that never phones home and a Linux box that is a chatty Cathy and since pretty much any modern OS can use scheduled tasks I really don't see any advantage for one OS over the other.

      As far as the other tips using your own DNS and using a router for QOS? Honestly? No offense man, as it seems like your heart is in the right place, but that kind of stuff would probably fit better on an eHow article or in your slashdot journal, most of the guys here already know networking 101 stuff.

      BTW you think that's bad Internet? I was on HughesNet for nearly 5 years friend, now THAT is some painful fricking Internet! I would have killed to have even low end DSL, hell shotgunned modems was less painful than the Hughes Blues!

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    5. Re: How is this news? by Sigg3.net · · Score: 2

      Survived on ~28kbps satellite link in the Sahara doing fieldwork. Not getting shot also helped.

      What were you saying, again?

  2. You poor baby by 0racle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OMFG how ever will you survive on 1.5mbps?

    5 years ago where I live finally got DSL at 768bps. 2 years ago it actually got bumped to a maximum of 3mbps. WTF are you whining about?

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    1. Re:You poor baby by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Informative

      Amen. Until I moved 7 months ago I was on 1Mbps for the last 10 years, and actually - it ain't that bad. File downloads go a bit slower naturally and some video streaming stuff didn't work great (Youtube worked fine though), but in general web browsing was absolutely fine at that speed and online gaming wasn't an issue either.

      When I moved to my current home my local ISP has a host of plans available - from a minimum of 10Mbps to a max of 110Mbps. I took the bottom plan at 10Mbps and I've still not found any major reason to go faster. Don't get me wrong I'm a big techie and spend tons of time on my computer, but I haven't yet found a need for some of the crazy internet speeds available these days.

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    2. Re:You poor baby by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The fact he works from home certainly raises the stakes.

      Secondly, what may have been OK 5 years ago is not necessarily OK today. When tech is available, it tends to become implicitly mandatory. There are now many jobs where it would be frowned upon to not carry a cell phone, for example. Expectations rise - not just our own expectations but those placed upon us. I don't think this is recognized enough among people who always feel we should be "thankful" for everything.

    3. Re:You poor baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The article is pretty lame, and appears to merely be ad click-bait.

      Up until 3 years ago I was limited to 768kbps down, and I made do without all the weird crap that is mentioned in the article (other than AdBlock). Even now -- I just checked -- I only get 3mbps down. I never really thought about this as being slow. I guess I don't stream enough videos simultaneously in resolutions higher than my monitor supports?

    4. Re:You poor baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless he's working from home in a media-intensive industry such as photography or video editing or something, I can't really fathom the need for a high speed connection. I work from home with a 3mbps link in a pretty media-heavy industry: video game development. I never really thought about download times as being excessive for all the content that I end up downloading.

      Granted I'm not moving content continually, and I do initiate large syncs at night so that I'll have them when I need them. The majority of my network needs are pretty minimal text-only transactions. (Chat, VCS transfers, web browsing for API docs.) But there's still plenty of bandwidth for voip calls too.

    5. Re:You poor baby by robot256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The article is pretty lame, and appears to merely be ad click-bait.

      Well, he does work from home. Be a sucker and click on a link so he can have a cup of coffee.

    6. Re:You poor baby by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, most people don't really need internet that's that fast. 5-10 Mbps should really be more than enough for most home users. This gives you enough bandwidth to stream a couple videos at the same time. The big problem that I have is that with my current ISP (and all others in my area) is that the pricing structure is set up all wrong. You can either pay a low price for 5 Mbps, but be limited to 15 GB of transfer, or you can pay more for higher transfer speeds (up to 150 mbps), and then be given more higher transfer limits, but it still tops out around 150 GB. I would love to be able to purchase extra throughput, without having to pay for higher speeds at the same time, but such a plan doesn't exist.

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    7. Re:You poor baby by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      I'm still on 6 Mbps down and 0.5 up - and I live in what is technically classified as an urban area. There are higher speed plans available from other companies, but the QoS from them is notoriously terrible.

      My crummy little DSL might take a while to download a large file and has an occasional burp if two people try to stream at once, but the connection itself is otherwise rock solid. I'm connected to the line via an Ethernet cable since I'm the gamer in the house, but everyone else does just fine on wireless connections.

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    8. Re:You poor baby by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nature abhors a vacuum.

      Is that why my cat hates the vacuum?

    9. Re:You poor baby by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Ugg, metered Internet... there is no future in that, the sooner ISPs drop that idea the better...

      I live in Texas and have Verizon FIOS, 150 down 65 up, and it is wonderful. Works all the time, amazingly fast, low latency.

      Downloading large media files or games from Steam, normally I get over 18 megabytes per second. That is faster than I can write to a lot of USB flash drives! :)

      We use a lot of streaming media in our house and while 150 down isn't required for that, it sure makes the experience nice for multiple users. The 65 meg up also helps for remote VPN connections (I work from home a lot).

    10. Re:You poor baby by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      In the modern world ... people use RDP which is extremely lightweight, or VNC, which isn't horrible. Both are far better than streaming video. What app do you speak of that was so bandwidth intensive?

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    11. Re:You poor baby by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Informative

      nothing much has changed in 5 years that would make working from home any harder on such a link. Unless he is into high end photo or video editing it just means it is slow to surf utube during breaks. I CURRENTLY regularly work via a 500kbps link and it is perfectly fine, most people have an overinflated view of what you actually require for bandwidth which has come from multimedia intensive sites and streaming video.

    12. Re:You poor baby by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Unless you're downloading from a BBS using ZModem, you can actually do other things while your computer downloads a game.

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    13. Re:You poor baby by Bengie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except in the case of bulk file downloads, the biggest difference past 10mb/s is the quality of the bandwidth, like latency. My work's 10gb fiber connection feels slower than my at home 50mb fiber connection because my residential line has lower latency to Chicago, where all the popular regional CDNs and datacenters are located.

    14. Re:You poor baby by dugancent · · Score: 2

      If you want food, grow it yourself.

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    15. Re:You poor baby by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe you should smarten up and not stare at the progress bar. There's this new thing called Windows that allows you to use other applications while Steam downloads. There's another thing called "life," which has something to do with being away from the PC, but I'm not really qualified to speak on that topic.

    16. Re:You poor baby by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      I would say "Yes," but it would be a lie.

    17. Re:You poor baby by anagama · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you buy food in your city store, you are accessing a myriad government incentive programs designed to ensure that every time you go to the store, it is stocked with food rather than empty because farmers went broke, or bridges washed out, or whatnot.

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    18. Re:You poor baby by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Not by that much, and honestly I can't say that I care. I downloaded tons of Steam games on my 1Mbps connection but I mostly bought Steam games when they were on sale - I had no desire to play them immediately - I just wanted them for when I got around to it. Buy it, start the download, and then when I'm ready to play the game (which might be weeks later - I'm busy with OTHER games right now) its ready.

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  3. Usenet & Gmane by wispoftow · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have found enjoyment reading the (text!) news groups and RSS feeds via Usenet, gmane, and gwene. (I prefer emacs and gnus)

    Although they are no match for the information of the entire web, I find that there are more than enough high quality posts on different topics to keep me entertained during my personal "surfing" time, and the text groups load in an instant and can be easily browsed and responses written in "unplugged" mode.

  4. Latency by thetagger · · Score: 2

    Well, to begin with, for Netflix latency doesn't matter. It's streaming. As long as there is sufficient bandwidth and not too much packet loss it's going to work.

    The poster's experience with the Internet is probably as bad or better than what people have to live in most of the world that isn't the US or Europe.

    1. Re:Latency by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

      With latency comes jitter (the first derivative of latency with respect to time). Jitter most definitely does matter, especially with streaming.

      See, if you had a nice steady 30 seconds (RTT) of latency, that would be fine. Your content starts streaming 30 seconds after you click play, no big deal, as long as there is no jitter. Now, what happens if latency suddenly drops to 20 seconds? Well, you just got yourself 10 seconds of streaming video in an instant. That needs to be buffered. Nobody expects jitter on the order of 10 seconds if latency itself is in the millisecond range. Buffers are allocated based on jitter, which itself is at least loosely correlated with latency.

      Source: I've stared at way, way too much GSM/RTP/UDP/IP traffic in Wireshark in the course of evaluating tactical radio systems.

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  5. Even slower by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until recently i had to make do with 0.5mbps dsl, and there are people who are still forced to use much slower links than this...
    This is one of the reasons i immensely dislike streaming services, i would much rather schedule a download to occur at night when i'm sleeping, streaming over 0.5mbit would be very poor quality but i can download a 720p movie or tv episode while i sleep.

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  6. Noscript is your friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Annoying ads, annoying plugins, and annoying ajax crap are the major slowdowns when browsing the web.

    So much faster without them - and I'm on a fast fiber connection :)

  7. Re:slow and reliable vs. fast and not by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because of all those horrendous sites that force you to use the browser...
    I pine for the days when download links were direct links to files which you could cut+paste to wget.

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  8. I weep tears by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tears that used to weep at the blinding speed of 300 baud modems after my early 110 baud modem days.

    You poor poor thing.

    Hint: use the mobile website and turn off images.

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  9. Re:I'd love to have DSL by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 2

    We moved 5 years ago out to the country. We are within sight of town but all that is offered to be is a 4G card from Verizon. No DSL (across the street they have it). No cable (houses to the north are the last ones on the line), no WISP (too many trees close to me), no fiber (main trunk line is across the street but no branches). I feel for you ... not!

    I also have the tree issue (100' Douglas firs) but I've found a WISP that uses the 900Mhz Motorola Canopy system that works pretty well through the trees. The other end is about 2.3 miles away. It gives me 1.3Mbs which is not a speed demon by any stretch but it does beat the pants off of 33Kbs dialup.

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  10. More productive, too by Nemosoft+Unv. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet you are being more productive too. Having a low speed forces you consider what to do/watch/download, and simply not click on every thing that comes into your mind or pops up in your mailbox/twitter/facebook/whateversocialmediayouaresubscribedto. So less distraction. I also like your batch-download; rather than drumming your fingers for 15 minutes until that file is finally downloaded, you queue it up and continue with whatever you were doing.

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  11. High Latency? by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 2

    I don't remember my 1.5Kbps DSL having high latency.

  12. Trials and tribulations of the first world! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man has first-world problem and somehow manages to survive. Film at 11!

    1. Re:Trials and tribulations of the first world! by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cool - Slashdot has broken through to the third world market and they are posting!

      We have our films at 10 in the first world :)

    2. Re:Trials and tribulations of the first world! by Optali · · Score: 2

      I heard they call it "sex"

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  13. If you have access to DSL at all... by Jawnn · · Score: 2

    ...you are most definitely not "out in the woods". Yawn...

  14. I'm still at 2.0up/0.2down - AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    AT&T says we can't get anything faster where I live. I only have DSL with AT&T. To get faster I'd have sell my soul to them for UVerse shit or get ComCast shit. There may be some other ripof...cable company where I can get overcharged.

    Well, my wife has to use a program called OptiTime in Paris. We're in GA. When she is on there for work, ALL internet activity has to cease or she'll get a bunch of time-outs. So having only 2.0/0.2 (according to SppedTest) limits our use.

    Streaming video has to have its quality lowered to show many times.

    Although, hats off to NetFlix! You guys did a nice job.

    Youtube is just atrocious.

    See the thing is, bandwidth is like memory and other computer resources - developers and content makers assume all of us have top of the line hardware and bandwidth.

    I can go on a rant here about how every damn piece of software and its updates has to install shit to 'C:' drive and I'm running out of space - no matter how much clean up I do.

    And the fact that content providers seam to think we all have First World internet access. I'm in that States! I have shit access!

  15. Cry me a river: try 56K by water-and-sewer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's an interesting article, but I have trouble sympathizing with anyone "suffering" with low speed DSL. I lived and worked in Benin, West Africa for four years, with a DSL connection that was barely any faster than dial-up. I even got myself a dial up connection as well, to compare, and found them nearly equivalent during most of the day.

    Here's what I learned about it: http://www.therandymon.com/index.php?/166-Life-in-56K.html

    I can tell you one thing, the idea of downloading an ISO and burning it just disappears. Youtube is not an option (I don't even bother clicking on the links). And most crappy webpages stuffed to the gills with scripts, javascript, counters, ad displayers, and the like, are useless. I did a lot of websurfing with Lynx, which I'm surprised to say was a better experience for many sites, including sometimes this one.

    Good luck with your DSL, buddy. I hope you don't suffer too much during the drone wars.

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    1. Re:Cry me a river: try 56K by couchslug · · Score: 2

      "I can tell you one thing, the idea of downloading an ISO and burning it just disappears."

      I downloaded plenty of .isos while on dialup. (The first was Corel Linux, it's been a while....)

      Start download manager in the morning, leave for work, perhaps stop then resume the next day if I wanted to surf in the evenings.
      Not worse than awaiting a very slow and interrupted torrent today.

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  16. Amazon Prime ships faster than that by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    waiting for a 20GB Steam game to install on a 1mb connection would drive me nuts

    To put it into perspective: 20 GB (160,000 Mbit) at 1 Mbps is about two days if you don't do anything else with the connection. Amazon Prime ships faster than that.

    1. Re:Amazon Prime ships faster than that by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Station Wagon full of tapes, eh?

    2. Re:Amazon Prime ships faster than that by hattig · · Score: 2

      I think you read the game size in bits, not bytes.

      20 Gbit: It's under six hours: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=20+billion+bits+%2F+1+million+bits%2Fsecond+in+hours (But that assumes you don't get slower speeds at peak times.)

      20 GB: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=20+billion+bytes+%2F+1+million+bits%2Fsecond+in+hours (45 hours)

  17. Re:Get off my lawn by camperdave · · Score: 2

    Back in my day, we had 300 baud modems, and we had to dial the # manually. Plus, no graphics.

    ... and we hated it. So we invented 14.4kbps modems.

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  18. system design cross training & nostalgia by globaljustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AC first poster says,

    How is this news?

    Of course it's modded +5 Insightful....but I'll bite....

    This is news because at the extremes of any system's performance you can more easily see the faults of the system.

    Anyone who does internet work of any kind should try to do their daily browsing or w/e you do on a 56K modem at least once.

    When you see, even just browsing the mainstream 'internet-y' sites like yahoo.com, facebook.com, nytimes.com and compare to slashdot or others...sometimes system design solutions **just click** because you see it in a different context

    TFA is like a pro football player doing cross training. It's relevant to us professionally and personally too if you have nostalgia for the early days of the internet.

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    1. Re:system design cross training & nostalgia by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      I wish I had points. And I wish web developers did not think everyone has 20meg connections to the net. MANY places outside of big cities are very speed limited.