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Former Microsoft Exec To Lead HealthCare.gov

Antipater writes "NBCNews reports that Kurt DelBene, former head of Microsoft's Office division, will take over operations of Healthcare.gov on Wednesday. DelBene will replace Jeffrey Zients, who stepped in to lead the team fixing the health insurance website when it crashed and burned on its Oct. 1 launch. Zients is set to take over next month as senior White House economic adviser from Gene Sperling.'"

214 comments

  1. New meaning to blue screen of death? by xobyte · · Score: 5, Funny

    My healthcare BSOD...

    1. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Sadly it will make you fill out a death application form, 32 pages long. And should you develop the BSOD, you or your family will be taxed for it at a 'cheaper' price. Sorry I mean, an excessively more expensive price.

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    2. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My healthcare BSOD...'Blue Screen of Death' ?

      No. More then likely, lowered premiums for better coverage. Those who complained about their canceled plans actually got better plans - less cost and more coverage.

      Whatever guys, Troll dissolves Troll - like Chemistry, like dissolves like.

    3. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is good news, guys. By now MS is an expert in receiving and dealing with DoS.

    4. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      My healthcare BSOD...

      But if you like your Dr Watson trace... You can keep it.

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    5. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Those who complained about their canceled plans actually got better plans - less cost and more coverage.

      Um, really? We didn't. Our plans (wife and I) were canceled because the company didn't want to pay the cadillac tax. For a replacement, we get higher cost, and much higher deductible. The strategy, as I understand it, is that you are supposed to live off your FSA for the first five months or so before your coverage actually starts paying for stuff. This is a definition of "better plans" of which I am unaware.

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    6. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No. More then likely, lowered premiums for better coverage. Those who complained about their canceled plans actually got better plans - less cost and more coverage.

      Whatever guys, Troll dissolves Troll - like Chemistry, like dissolves like.

      Really now, I have to ask if you're being paid by OFA or Media Matters after two statements like that. Every single person that I know in the US who had healthcare plans they liked, got theirs cancelled, and are paying anywhere between 40% and 280% more now, and they're getting 60% less coverage, with a 2000% increase in their deductible.

      Maybe, maybe...you're just ignorant. Then again, back when you guy's were looking at implementing this, I repeatedly said it was doomed to failure and your healthcare insurance rates were going to head for "ass rape" territory. How did I know? Because I already live under a socialized medicine system in Canada.

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    7. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, it is ELITIST bullshit that they are spewing. Making blanket judgements based on what someone like Ezekiel Emanuel told them to say. It doesn't matter if it is true or not, they believe it, because they were told by someone who knows better than anyone else. And it is "better" depending on who you ask, just don't ask the patient, doctor, health insurance company or anyone immediately involved in your health care (lack of) choices. It IS better for the DNC as it provides a nice new entitlement to ensnare unsuspecting weak individuals into a lifelong servitude of voting for the candidates the Party Dictates they vote for.

      Welcome to Soviet Amerika!

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    8. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by cayenne8 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No. More then likely, lowered premiums for better coverage. Those who complained about their canceled plans actually got better plans - less cost and more coverage.

      Wow...when did MSNBC get an account on Slashdot? Rachel, is that you?

      ;)

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    9. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Dan667 · · Score: 2

      he was in charge of MSOffice so it will get a ribbon toolbar and be completely unusable.

    10. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > It IS better for the DNC as it provides a nice new entitlement to ensnare unsuspecting weak individuals into a lifelong servitude of voting for the candidates the Party Dictates they vote for.

      Except... how could that work if the entitlement in question is looked forward even less than having a live frog for breakfast?

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    11. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by pspahn · · Score: 2

      Everyone succumbs to indoctrination given enough time.

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    12. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I hate to say it, but if they're gonna turn it over to someone or some company that can fix it...hell, give it to Google.

      They already have info on most everyone in the US. Let them get the website going, they can hook in with Acxiom to pre-fill in what data Google has missing or wrong...and voila, the site could be up and running within about 2 months.

      Not that I'm in favor of obamacare, mind you, but if they're gonna try to get expertise in getting large web based things to run and information gathering, why not go to some experts that get it right?

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    13. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Because I already live under a socialized medicine system in Canada.

      What's wrong with Canada?

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    14. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Bartles · · Score: 2

      Really? I got 259% higher cost, $500 higher deductible, smaller network, and 10% coinsurance after deductible. It's worse in every way, and way more expensive.

    15. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let me get this straight, so you can get back to your circle-jerk.

      My rate went up 8.8 percent, less then in years past, my plan is exactly the same in every way, except there is a bunch of stuff that i never have to pay a copay or deductible on. Also, my employer ate the 8.8 percent increase, so my out of pocket increase was $0. So now you know one person, actually, you know 38 people, who didn't lose there current plan, nor had some huge rate increase, nor getting less coverage and $0 increase in an already pretty fair deductible.

      Ok now back to your cross border circle-jerk-a-thon

    16. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by mspohr · · Score: 4, Informative

      So... blame your cheapass company for dropping your insurance coverage.
      They didn't have to buy you a "cadillac" policy... they could have bought you a regular policy but they are using the "blame it on Obamacare" excuse for screwing you.

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    17. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My advice would be to check out your options on the exchange. You don't have to take employer coverage and you may end up saving money and get the insurance you are looking for.

    18. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Code Blue, Code Blue. Code Blue Screen of Death fifth floor, room 512"
      "Dr. Rosenrosen is en route."

    19. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How did I know? Because I already live under a socialized medicine system in Canada.

      What's wrong with Canada?

      The socialists in Canada pay almost $4500 per capita for healthcare, or more than 11% of GDP. Because of the waste inherent in socialist systems, we should not be surprised that healthcare costs in Canada are 7th highest on the planet, yet for all this outrageous expense, they are only tied for 4th in life expectancy and something like 24th in infant mortality. Now that Obamacare is bringing socialism to US healthcare, Mashiki knows from miserable experience the poor quality and excessive expense that his southern neighbors can expect in the years to come.

    20. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by microbox · · Score: 0

      It IS better for the DNC as it provides a nice new entitlement to ensnare unsuspecting weak individuals into a lifelong servitude of voting for the candidates the Party Dictates they vote for.

      The GOP grassroots are really superior in many ways. Most of the grass roots of the GOP are on medicare and social security, but for some reason, even though they suck on the government teat, it is terribly dangerous if *other* people get any government service for the reasons you've already accurately conveyed.

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    21. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's right. Essentially, if you go with a platinum plan, you have similar out of pocket costs to a good corporate group plan - of course you're paying the full fare, so the premiums will appear higher than for an employee. But it probably compares favorably to what was available to individuals before.

      There is still a downside, though. The plans offered (in New York state, at least) do not offer any out of network coverage at all (which stinks IMO). I'm sticking with my ex-employer's plan at the full-fare retiree rate - it's still better than the exchanges. But then, I have that option.

      Did I mention, single payer would've been so much easier, cheaper, etc. If it could only ever have passed. Maybe if Vermont's plan is successful reality will have its day...

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    22. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by microbox · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      He's not listening. Having *finally* found what seems like a legitimate weapon to beat the DNC up with, it *must* be true that his healthcare plan is worse, and that there is *nothing* to be done about it, because of Obama tyranny, and benghazi, and the faked moon landings.

      I mean, a conservative policy wonk who disagrees is just a RINO, and we know they are just democrats in disguise.

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    23. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by microbox · · Score: 1

      Really now, I have to ask if you're being paid by OFA or Media Matters after two statements like that.

      Media matters pays my rent. That's why I believe what I believe. You want your rent paid for you, then you just have to jump on board and change your views. It really is that easy. We're rich over hear, bought off by our corporate overlords. I know conservatives don't have any corporate sugar daddy's pumping money into think-tanks, but that is really your bad, since paying people to produce political material is really the best way to carry on a balanced and objective discussion, since the facts always win in the end, and propaganda has no effect on smart people like me.

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    24. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That is not the only way they were blaming everything on Obamacare. They carefully cancelled all the grandfathered plans that did not have to be ACA compliant. Now they can use the whipping boy, Obamacare.

      Obamacare is taking tax dollars and giving it to these private companies that have absolutely no compunctions about denying coverage, shifting responsibility and shirking responsibility. This is the system Republicans want. Left to the Democrats we would have simply expanded the medicare, paid for it with taxes.

      Americans with employer provided health insurance pay oodles and oodles of money to the private healthcare companies till they are 65. They pocket all the case, once they are no longer young, no longer as healthy, they are all passed on to Medicare with we the tax payers holding the bag. Remember this folks, more than 50% of the healthcare you are going to receive in your lifetime, comes from the government. All the premium you are paying when you are younger and healthier goes to private companies. "Privatize the premium collection, Socialize the benefit payments", systematically. Bank bailout is nothing compared this bail out given to the healthcare companies. And they are somehow the paragons of virtue and the government is the personification of evil. Once they have their rank and file drink this cool-aid, nothing is impossible for them.

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    25. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by microbox · · Score: 0

      The Canadian healthcare system is being nickle and dimed to death, but is still vastly superior to the USA. I know this from personal experience, and also 2nd hand from doctors I know personally that have worked in both systems. Just my 2 cents.

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    26. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't lose my plan, and it didn't go up in price at all as far as I know. So add every graduate student at Purdue to the 38 people you work with.

    27. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by microbox · · Score: 0

      Then you must be a conservative. The insurers are deliberately selling you guys worse plans than the Dems. You should complain more loudly about the unfair treatment.

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    28. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he probably works for Microsoft and the reasons given were that were more than a few cases of abuse for altruistic purposes such as families adopting kids with significant medical needs. They were fine paying for such things, but didn't want to be randomly taxed for these overspends that they used to happily pay for. It was and still is unclear how bad the fines would have been, so they were playing safe. So they went with a high deductible FSA system in an attempt to disqualify their program. There is a 'hole' with the huge deductible, so it is no longer taxable. The pain is that you didn't have to think about it and everything was paid for like magic, now you have to manage your spending and worry about qualifying expenses, etc. It was an awesome perk for working for the 'empire' and now its like any other shitty software company.

      It is kind of funny because Microsoft execs are huge liberals and this really caught them off guard. They aren't cool enough to be in the inner circle like google execs. This appointment is probably an attempt to rectify this.

    29. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Venotar · · Score: 1

      This is good news, guys. By now MS is an expert in receiving and dealing with DoS.

      Yeah, they're very experienced at hiring Akamai to deal with DoS attacks :)

    30. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Venotar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The socialists in Canada pay almost $4500 per capita for healthcare, or more than 11% of GDP. Because of the waste inherent in socialist systems, we should not be surprised that healthcare costs in Canada are 7th highest on the planet, yet for all this outrageous expense, they are only tied for 4th in life expectancy and something like 24th in infant mortality

      I'm sorry - how is 7th highest cost for 4th highest life expetancy not a deal?
      If life expectancy was less than 7th, I might see your point. Beyond that, the US already spends 17.2% of it's GDP on healthcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States) and has an infant mortality rate around 34th in the world , so moving to an infant mortality rate of 24th in the world for a cost of 11% of GDP is a huge improvement for your southern neighbors.

    31. Re: New meaning to blue screen of death? by amidgley · · Score: 1

      How about the ones who didn't have a congenial plan?

    32. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, they need to split it up into two sections: the back-end and the front-end (the customer-facing website's UI).

      Let Google do the back-end, because they seem to be pretty good at that stuff. Don't let them do the UI, however, because it'll suck. Even Ebay does better UIs than Google. Who should do the UI then, you may ask? Honestly, I don't know, but it shouldn't be any large corporation (including MS), because all their UI designers have drunk some tainted kool-aid.

    33. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get used to anything, even hanging if you hang long enough.

    34. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, google doesn't know how to do UI's.

      that's what i thought when i saw their nice clean search engine home page in 2000.

      i much prefer the bloated, crowded home page of yahoo.

    35. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Wake up and stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

    36. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't used GMail lately.

    37. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Now that Obamacare is bringing socialism to US healthcare, Mashiki knows from miserable experience the poor quality and excessive expense that his southern neighbors can expect in the years to come.

      You bet. Enjoy that "upto 84 and more days" for cancer surgery k? How about 196 days to get an MRI done for neck surgery. A 3.5hr wait for "critical care" emergency room visit.

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    38. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 0

      > Those who complained about their canceled plans actually got better plans - less cost and more coverage.

      Um, really? We didn't. Our plans (wife and I) were canceled because the company didn't want to pay the cadillac tax. For a replacement, we get higher cost, and much higher deductible. The strategy, as I understand it, is that you are supposed to live off your FSA for the first five months or so before your coverage actually starts paying for stuff. This is a definition of "better plans" of which I am unaware.

      You're not supposed to notice that ... because then the wascally wepubwicans would have been right. And we can't have that.

    39. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      So... blame your cheapass company for dropping your insurance coverage. They didn't have to buy you a "cadillac" policy... they could have bought you a regular policy but they are using the "blame it on Obamacare" excuse for screwing you.

      Keep believing that.

      Meanwhile, even the NYT is profiling lefty professionals who are quite surprised to learn that Obamacare means they pay more and get less.

    40. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Yeah... it makes me so tired. I'm neither republican nor democrat. (Although I do register one or t'other, switching back and forth depending on who has the most interesting primary.) It's not about who was right, it's about my insurance becoming more costly and my deductible being substantially higher. But try to mention that and you're shouted down, because Obamacare is so much cheaper and more available. Even the media completely misses the point, that not only does Obamacare eliminate "sub standard" plans, it also eliminates plans that are "too good", by imposing a 40% "cadillac tax". (What company would even try to afford that? Besides Google, I mean.) What we had was better than anything I've yet seen reported as available on the website. (I haven't tried to go there; I understand it's down for repairs.)

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    41. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Desler · · Score: 1

      This law was practically written by the insurance companies. In what way would they dislike a law they wrote?

    42. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Desler · · Score: 2

      As the saying goes "I got mine so fuck you".

    43. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Desler · · Score: 1

      Yeah and the link you provided was ever so convincing. Oh wait...

    44. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Desler · · Score: 2

      The socialists in Canada pay almost $4500 per capita for healthcare

      So nearly half of the US.

      or more than 11% of GDP.

      So only 60% of that of the US.

      Because of the waste inherent in socialist systems,

      So paying less per capita and less as a percentage of GDP is a sign of inherent waste?

      we should not be surprised that healthcare costs in Canada are 7th highest on the planet,

      And the US's is the highest.

    45. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are lots of anecdotal stories floating around and being touted as "evidence" for and against ACA.
      FWIT, my personal experience is that for my family, I can get better insurance (better list of doctors and hospitals, lower deductibles, lower cost) under ACA than I had before under my old policy which was cancelled because it was not ACA compliant. YMMV
      It will take at least a few months to get the actual results sorted out.
      A lot of the people who had very cheap insurance which was cancelled had "hospital gown" policies (which means that their ass wasn't covered). Others could prove that they were "healthy" and could show that they didn't need insurance.
      The big win is for people who couldn't get insurance or who had very expensive policies. They will be able to get affordable insurance under ACA since the scumbag insurance companies can't refuse to insure them. Also, a lot of people who have very low income and couldn't afford insurance can now get subsidies and can buy insurance... a big win for them.

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    46. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      So nearly half of the US.

      Not really, in some cases it's even more. See, because some things aren't covered at all. Which is why nearly everyone here has insurance, for their universal healthcare. Right now I have an ancient grandfathered plan via green shield that only costs me $1640/yr, which covers most of the things that I need. People getting the same plan today are looking at the 4k-9k/yearly.

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    47. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Desler · · Score: 1

      Not really, in some cases it's even more.

      And your evidence is where? The person I responded to was citing the OECD figures from this wikipedia article which clearly shows that the US has a per capita cost of $8233 for health costs compared to the $4445 of Canada since as you can see that's the list where Canada is ranked 7th. Even by the WHO's numbers the US per capita cost is $3600 higher.

      See, because some things aren't covered at all.

      Then provide some actual evidence. Your word isn't evidence.

    48. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Desler · · Score: 1

      Oh and there are plenty of things not covered by US insurance either. So you will be factoring all those extra costs for the US figures as well, right?

    49. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Desler · · Score: 1

      And here has 2011 per capita figures.

      Canada: $5,630
      United States: 8,608

      US is still $3000 higher. I won't hold my breath on you having figures that ever show the opposite.

    50. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of the people who had very cheap insurance which was cancelled had "hospital gown" policies (which means that their ass wasn't covered). Others could prove that they were "healthy" and could show that they didn't need insurance.

      Bingo.

      The main 'losers' under the ACA are:
      a) people who didn't actually have coverage; are being forced into plans that actually cover things.

      b) lowest risk, healthiest people -- they got better rates before because the insurance industry figured they wouldn't have to pay out on them. Now with more (and less healthy) people being added to the system, the rates are rising slightly to accomodate the overall higher insurance costs to the industry.

      But insuring all those extra people is a net gain. At least in my books. And I'm speaking as someone still comfortably in the first half of my life, with no significant health concerns, who makes a decent living -- aka someone the insurers love to insure.

      The big win is for people who couldn't get insurance or who had very expensive policies. They will be able to get affordable insurance under ACA since the scumbag insurance companies can't refuse to insure them.

      Exactly. But its inevitable that there will be some "losers" at the other end of the spectrum whose rates are going up to offset this. But as I said before... its net gain for society.

    51. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Why give it to Google. Everyone knows exactly what the solutions is, really quite simple. Switch to universal health care, all that's needed is name and social security number (even the homeless need health care) and it is all bloody done, even you typical tea bagger could program that ;D.

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    52. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the bullshit about buying health insurance from a privately run company is somehow a new entitlement?

      tl;dr - Fuck off, twerp.

    53. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      And your evidence is where?

      OECD is nice and all, but it calculates it based on the individual province, and not via transfer payments either. Just a useful tip. See in Canada, part of the general revenue fund pays for each provinces healthcare. Their numbers are based on each provinces taxation rates.

      Then provide some actual evidence. Your word isn't evidence.

      Things not covered in Ontario: Drugs, eye exams, glasses, frames, lenses, physio, massage therapy, inoculations(unless child), vaccines(unless special reason). Lab tests, pathology, and so on.

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    54. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that Obamacare is bringing socialism to US healthcare, Mashiki knows from miserable experience the poor quality and excessive expense that his southern neighbors can expect in the years to come.

      You bet. Enjoy that "upto 84 and more days" for cancer surgery k? How about 196 days to get an MRI done for neck surgery. A 3.5hr wait for "critical care" emergency room visit.

      Versus the infinite wait in the US if your insurer doesn't want to pay?

    55. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      Wait, you would rather have someone from Microsoft handle user interface decisions rather than someone from Google? I'd much rather see healthcare.chromeos.gov over healthcare.windows8.gov/buyapple

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    56. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Um, go read my post again. I only said Google's UIs suck, and then I said that all other large corporations' UIs (including MS) also suck. I never compared the two directly, I put them in the same boat. I don't know who would be a good company to do the UI, because they've all lost their minds these days.

    57. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      Only 3.5 hour wait for an emergency room visit? That's freaking awesome. I had to take my wife to Parkland county hospital in Dallas, TX once because of no health insurance. We waited 13 hours to get seen by a doctor just because her blood sugar had spiked to over 600. And the old lady next to us had to wait just as long to get seen for a broken hip.
      The best thing?
      Parkland is one of the better county hospitals in the nation.

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    58. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Petron · · Score: 1

      The problem with the "US vs [other country]" is the US has other issues the other countries don't have.

      First, the US is HUGE compared to most of those countries.
      Second, we have a huge drug problem.
      Third we have massive traffic related deaths (10+ million per year). The only country that has a higher percentage of citizens owning cars is Morocco, and they don't have nearly the population we do.

      When you count the huge drug and traffic accidents to our life expectancies and infant death, the US isn't nearly as bad as people make it sound. When we have birth issues because the parents are junkies, or millions DOA from a car accident, it really doesn't matter if the hospital is top notch or not.

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    59. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by acaila_edhel · · Score: 1

      If you remove deaths from traffic accidents and suicides from the numbers of all countries, US jumps to number 2.

    60. Re: New meaning to blue screen of death? by Tannasgh · · Score: 1

      BSOH? I love the irony of this post's topic.

    61. Re: New meaning to blue screen of death? by Tannasgh · · Score: 1

      They're experts at writing a DOS that can be attacked...

    62. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you're just ignorant. Then again, back when you guy's were looking at implementing this

      He's ignorant?? Get your GED, Mr Greengrocer.

    63. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by brunnegd · · Score: 1

      This article has nothing to do with the pros and cons of ACA, but everything to do with someone raised in the MS culture being in charge of the computer program that is the gateway to health coverage. And we all know how bad MS is at delivering good, stable, error-free products.

    64. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Except that those don't exist, which is why people are getting bent over. My company did as good as they could, and we are still seeing at least 10% increases across the board for our health insurance. Many people that are not seeing increases are waived until next year, so see no change.

      Why does "affordable care" increase everyone's rates by at least 10%? The examples would be rather lengthy, but here are a couple verifiable ones. Because women receive "Free Contraceptives" and that is a huge mantra from this agency. Woman receive free prenatal care too. The "free" part means not a penny in copay, and that money has to come from the pool so everyone's rates increase. Including those of 50 year old women that had a hysterectomy and are making the same complaints as men, so save your fallacy.

      In some cases, you may wish to argue that a person was not insured enough. That argument is idiocy however, since insurance is a gamble. Companies make a lot of money selling it to you hoping you will never use it, and fighting you when they don't want to pay. We pay into these companies as a "just in case".

      Claiming further that insurance fixes the health issues in the country is also wrong. The problems there are many and varied, starting with malpractice and ending at the FDA and "IP" on medicine. Making everyone buy insurance does nothing to address the problems. It moves to a select few hands and pretends to do something other than make a few people wealthy at the expense of society.

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    65. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

      Obvious Obama supporter is obvious..... ...my insurance is going up 200% jackass, explain that. AND my deductible is going up 300% explain THAT.

      You Sir, are an idiot.

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    66. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're rich over hear

      Where did all the illiterates come from? Why do you stupid kids have so much trouble with homophones?? Christ, you can't spell the fucking four letter word "here". FFS, would you ignorant people please learn to write simple English??

    67. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Yeah and the link you provided was ever so convincing. Oh wait...

      Link

    68. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Covered does not mean free at the point of delivery, it means it must be provided with no annual or lifetime dollar limits, but they usually have a sliding scale co-pay, which is a fixed fee or percentage and may be subject to a deductible, based on the policy type.

      Prescription generic and formula drugs are covered. The policy must provide at least one drug in every category and class in the U.S. Pharmacopeia, the official list of approved medicines. Anything outside of the approved list provided by the policy and you will be responsible for the full retail cost. We all know that drug prices are 2x or more in the United States compared to Canada. In Canada, drugs administered in the hospital are not paid directly by the patient.

      Glasses (frame and lens), contacts, and routine eye exams are not covered, except for children, which is the same as Ontario.

      Rehabilitative services (physical, occupational, and massage therapy) for maintaining a functional life due to symptoms from a disease or disability are covered. Going to a massage therapist because you have a sore back is not covered. You were being disingenuous about physio in Ontario. Based on the article you linked:

      Ontarians aged 20 to 64 are covered "if they require physiotherapy after overnight hospitalization, if they require services in their home or if they reside in a long-term care home. All Ontario Disability Support Program, Family Benefits and Ontario Works recipients are covered regardless of age. All other people aged 20 to 64 no longer receive coverage for physiotherapy."

      Routine vaccines are covered, and for an adult, I believe only shingles is considered routine.

      Pathology (lab) covered. Your link says nothing about pathology. The only mention of lab costs had to do with blocked fallopian tubes, where OHIP will pay for three IFV cycles, but not for lab fees, which is awesome. IVF was not covered in the United States for any reason, even in the gold plated plans, and it continues to be optional under ACA.

      Ambulance service is not covered, yet it is in Ontario. From the linked article:

      I was surprised to learn that ambulances are not fully covered by OHIP. In most cases, if you use one, you'll need to kick in $45; the hospital will bill you. OHIP pays the rest. If the doctor at the hospital says that an ambulance was unnecessary, you will have to pay the full cost, $240 – an expensive trip – but a small price to pay if there's any chance your life is in danger.

      You pay a 20% if needed, full price if not, and the full price is only $240. That is cheap for an unnecessary ride. The last time I had an ambulance was 10 years ago in Texas, provided by a municipal agency, and it cost me $800. My California insurance only reimbursed me $200.

      It looks to be a wash and yet Canada still has lower costs and better outcomes.

      I pay $6132 a year for a gold plan for myself and the fees below are based on using in-network doctors.

      Individual Deductible -- none
      Preventative Care Copay -- no cost for 1 yearly visit in-network
      Primary Care Visit Copay -- $30
      Specialty Care Visit Copay -- $50
      Urgent Care Visit Copay -- $60
      Generic Medication Copay -- $19
      Lab Testing Copay -- $30 (per test)
      X-Ray Copay -- $50
      Emergency Room Copay -- $250
      High cost and infrequent services (Hospital Stay or Outpatient Surgery) -- 20%
      Preferred brand copay after Drug Deductible (if any) -- $50
      Maximum Out-of-Pocket -- $6,350

    69. Re:New meaning to blue screen of death? by Venotar · · Score: 1

      Citation?

  2. Clippy? by KoshClassic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will the web site feature a seemingly-friendly, but obnoxious-as-hell talking paper clip that pops up whenever its unwanted?

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    1. Re:Clippy? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      You know, I keep expecting the old 'Clippy' dig on MS to get old...

      Hasn't yet :)

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    2. Re:Clippy? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      "Hey, it looks like you're trying to find an emergency room. I can help with that!"

    3. Re:Clippy? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "It looks like you passed out and your spleen is falling out.

      Would you like to purchase Microsoft Spleen Express, or Microsoft Spleen Pro?

      I will assume Spleen Pro and bill your credit card unless you cancel within 5 seconds..."

    4. Re:Clippy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One should not expect Slashdot trolls to exhibit signs of intellectual creativity or originality.

    5. Re:Clippy? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      And of course, still funny

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  3. Second one? by XanC · · Score: 1

    Wait, so you mean this is the second guy to "step in and fix it" since October? That would seem to indicate this is truly an enormous disaster.

    1. Re:Second one? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      And yet...nobody is in jail, being fined, or even refunding all that money they were paid to develop it.

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    2. Re:Second one? by DaHat · · Score: 0

      Why would the leftists who exclusively forced this boondoggle on us hold themselves accountable?

    3. Re:Second one? by drnb · · Score: 2

      And yet...nobody is in jail, being fined, or even refunding all that money they were paid to develop it.

      Its not really contractor's fault. I'm sure they did some pretty screwy things but the epic fail really comes down to time and specification. The contractors were only given months to implemented it, despite the administration knowing they needed it over 3 years ago, and the administration was making last minute changes, can't show plan prices from the insurance company have to connect to a bunch of different gov't agencies in order to calculate a subsidy.

    4. Re:Second one? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Or that someone was throwing him a freebie job until another one opened up (and they could hopefully find someone better for this one).

      Scenario: We have a clusterfuck. And need a new person to head it. But we have no idea who it is.

      So we hire some guy who's a business CEO and economics type - clearly completely wrong for the job - but not 2 months later he gets a job suited to the CEO/economics type - as an economics advisor. And we spent the time he was 'in charge' hiring someone who appears to maybe have been exposed to IT projects before.

      It solved the theatre problem of needing someone new right away, give him a cushy job for 2 months while the real job you wanted him for became available, and gave you time to find someone who might actually be useful.

    5. Re:Second one? by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Which likely means the contractor delivered exactly what they were contracted to deliver, it's just that the government didn't know what it actually needed when it wrote the requirements and now wants to blame them for the fact that the resultant product can't fulfill its purpose.

    6. Re:Second one? by DaHat · · Score: 2

      Because the rightists who got you into this mess of for-profit healthcare and the poor can go fuck themselves are the reason you need to have universal healthcare in the first place.

      Yes, so horrible that the for-profit healthcare system in this country created so many life saving & extending drugs and treatments

      Oh what a horrible world it was before the ACA was passed... millions of dead poor people in the street, insurance companies rolling the dice and canceling policies just because they felt like it, and no one but the ultra rich able to have a quality insurance policy.

      Just because rich douchebags feel entitled to gouging people when it comes to their health doesn't make it right either.

      Except for those 'rich douchebags' aren't all rich... instead providing a service which many of us are willing to pay a pretty penny for. I guess you don't value your health/life or that if your family.

      But don't worry, the Tea Party will continue to try to ensure that anybody who isn't wealthy won't be able to afford health care like the greedy bastards they are.

      Wait... the Tea Party us full of a bunch of wealthy folks? Where do I sign up???

    7. Re: Second one? by DaHat · · Score: 1

      You use that word... but I don't think you understand it's meaning.

      In fact... 'fascism' is a term that while not often applied to the current government, does pretty accurately describe the unilateral rule we have seen from this administration on this law (amongst other things).

    8. Re:Second one? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      ...it's just that the government didn't know what it actually needed when it wrote the requirements and now wants to blame them for the fact that the resultant product can't fulfill its purpose.

      And we're now entrusting said government to be in charge of all our healthcare needs/decisions why now exactly???

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    9. Re:Second one? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      And yet...nobody is in jail, being fined, or even refunding all that money they were paid to develop it.

      Well, yea.

      For that to happen, someone in federal government would have to admit to making a mistake, and as we all should know at this point, es ist VERBOTEN .

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    10. Re:Second one? by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Chrome Robot: Everything will be all right. You are in my hands. I am here to protect you. You have nowhere to go. You have nowhere to go.

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    11. Re:Second one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and if the Obama Administration had started building it three years ago, people would have been bitching about them spending money too soon, when everything else wasn't settled.

      What should have been done was have actual government employees do the job, the NSA has enough qualified people that it could have been done without going out of house.

      But no, no, privatization is the way to go.

    12. Re:Second one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only we could come up with a system, that kept the for profit, life saving and extending drugs and treatments, while at the same time making sure Im not paying more for my insurance so that the poor people (who could not afford health insurance but arn't going to be left to die in the streets by the hospitals), can maybe get some help before they end up in the emergency room, you know before a cold becomes a respiratory infection or somthing like that.

      Yes they were providing a service that You and I were paying a pretty penny for, except we were not getting any fucking service, were you living under a rock, you could pay for decades and not have a single claim, then you make one claim, and boom, per-existing condition, or pow, you crap out, your dick got cancer, oh sorry you dint notice, or was it advertised that the most they would pay out in a year was like $10,000, so that $100,000 cancer treatment you got this year, ya thanks for all those premiums but that $90,000, that's on you. or sorry your lifetime limit has been reached, better hope you don't have a re-occurrence of cancer, because you already had it once, and we paid as much as were are ever going to pay, and don't even think of getting insurance somewhere else, you now have a preexisting condition.

      So please, spare me the it was the best of times bullshit, its fucking hilarious, in 2008 the number one issue, before the economy tanked, was health care, the number 1 issue, by a wide margin. Insurance didn't cover shit, you paid everything out of pocket anyway if you were doing anything besides going to the emergency room. God forbid we have a for profit system that say yes i have to pay into it, but also yes the insurance has to to cover some basic fucking shit and they cant just cut you off when you get sick.

      As for the tea party shit, i don't know what to tell you, try searching crossroadsgps.

    13. Re:Second one? by microbox · · Score: 1

      Yes, so horrible that the for-profit healthcare system in this country created so many life saving & extending drugs and treatments

      Yep, the USA had teh best healthcare system in the world, and it has now been ruined. It provided by far the best outcomes to the most people at the cheapest price, and nobody in the world could do anything remotely as good. And did you hear that we're exceptional? Just fyi.

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    14. Re: Second one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, the endless compromises, the delays, the exceptions, the pilot programs and the negotiations, they seem like unilateral action to you?

      I would say most of the problems have arisen from the compromising nature of this administration, which has refused to put any teeth into anything, that has neglected to take things by force, but instead tried to figure out every way possible to bend.

      All while this is unrecognized, since doing anything at all is anathema to some.

    15. Re: Second one? by microbox · · Score: 2
      I happen to know something about fascism. It's not really a left or right concept. As you correctly point out, these days it is just boo word to throw at people when you feel victimized for not getting your way. But lets look at the characteristics of fascism, and see where the chips fall these days:

      Here are some fascist traits more associated with conservative politics:

      Here are some fascist traits associated with liberal politics:

      • Broadened mandate for government intervention in the economy
      • Anti-materialist -- but qualified that this is really not like liberal econuts -- since fascists are supposed to be sustained by their ideological commitment.

      Here are some fascist traits that are identifiably both liberal and conservative (or a third rail in the two party system):

      • the belief in the states role in monitoring its citizens.

      Here are some fascist traits that are neither liberal nor conservative:

      • endorsing terror to gain political power
      • the notion that the entire population should be permanently and emotionally engaged in the political process.

      DrHat, you are an ideologue, so don't bother me with logical contortions about how the Dems are really the more fascist of the two parties. But if there a legitimate argument, grounded in what Karl Rove pejoratively called the reality based community, then I'm all ears, because I love actually knowing things.

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    16. Re:Second one? by microbox · · Score: 1

      Which likely means the contractor delivered exactly what they were contracted to deliver, it's just that the government didn't know what it actually needed when it wrote the requirements and now wants to blame them for the fact that the resultant product can't fulfill its purpose.

      And you know this from your experience working in companies like CGI? Well, that's were I used to work, and they have an amazing legal and sales team. Programming... not so much. My first-hand experience of *different* government contracts is: the government was handcuffed by their own rules, and CGI knew it, and moved in for the kill. Easy. Money.

      There is a problem to be fixed, for sure, and it probably stems from the way policy is written, and legal precedents. So not that easy.

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    17. Re:Second one? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      the government is not a profit entity. they don't have the same motives to watch you DIE due to neglect that insurance companies currently have.

      if there ever was a death panel, it was the insurance company. taking some of the control away from them could ONLY be a godsend. even if the gov farks the whole thing up, it can't possibly be worse than what we have now.

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  4. Polilitical Link by jasnw · · Score: 5, Informative

    He is the spouse (husband, I assume) of Congressperson Karen DelBene (D-WA), also an ex-MS person.

    1. Re:Polilitical Link by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We don't say "Congressperson" anymore because that implies these are people, and not soulless monsters. The correct term is "Congresswench".

    2. Re:Polilitical Link by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Right, no cronyism here. Move along now, nothing to see.

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    3. Re:Polilitical Link by runeghost · · Score: 2

      I believe that the appropriate term is "Congresscritter".

    4. Re:Polilitical Link by DrData99 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Close. It's Suzan DelBene.http://delbene.house.gov/

    5. Re:Polilitical Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The correct term is "Congresswench".

      That was dismissed as it is insulting to wenches. "Congresswretch" is the accepted form, and gender-neutral.

    6. Re:Polilitical Link by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      What did critters ever do to you?

    7. Re:Polilitical Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feh. How about smeghead, or Dinosaur Breath or Molecule Mind. And on a special occasion when you wanna be like really mega polite, I mean really, really polite, in these exceptional circumstances you can call them... arsehole.

    8. Re:Polilitical Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They tricked me into killing the lioness whose job it was to prevent the anti-Christ from being born!

    9. Re:Polilitical Link by hicksw · · Score: 1

      Not Congressperson,
      not Congresswench,
      for a long time the correct term has been Congresscritter.
      Or outside DC, Varmint
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  5. Meet Sticky, the helpful animated syringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh please oh please oh please

    1. Re:Meet Sticky, the helpful animated syringe by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      That's absolutely brilliant.

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    2. Re:Meet Sticky, the helpful animated syringe by Bodhammer · · Score: 3, Funny

      More like Tubey, the fully articulated enema nozzle...

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    3. Re:Meet Sticky, the helpful animated syringe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we call him the Prick?

    4. Re:Meet Sticky, the helpful animated syringe by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      Is this the guy who thought the ribbon was a good idea?

  6. Bringing BSOD to Healthcare.gov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bringing BSOD to Healthcare.gov in 2014
    Always "pays for sure"
    Surface Pro, HC edition
    Healthcare.gov will soon require IE 6

  7. The new interface.... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    Need to register for your mandated insurance? Start -> HHS Health Bob

    Obvious Bill could see this coming.

    Bill Gates says Microsoft Bob will make a comeback

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    1. Re:The new interface.... by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You might think you're screwed if you're on Linux or MacOS, but there is some hope. There is talk of doing a "poor country cousin" version called Minnie Perl Bob for them with a "modified" interface. They should probably move the price tag off the hat.

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      much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
  8. Crony Capitalism at its finest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And note this has NOTHING to do with capitalism or the free market.

    Corrupt socialist politician lies and decieves to enable further tyranny upon the formerly free people of the US. Wake me when there is some news.

    How about this:

    http://blog.heritage.org/2013/12/17/washington-post-obama-administration-slowed-red-tape-avoid-2012-election-backlash/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Demint

    "The production of new rules, which until then had been in overdrive, slipped into a lower gear. And the regulatory agenda, which the Administration was required by law to release every spring and fall, did not appear. Noting the odd silence, Heritage research fellow Diane Katz speculated that the rules were being deliberately delayed until after the election year."

    More lies enhanced by the complicit media to enxure the boy king gets re-elected. And you lot support this tyranny nearly to a man. You people are pathetic.

    And yes, the regulatory state, which its own rules, courts, and legal system, is the single most tyrannical aspect of the modern U.S. Government. One of the scariest aspects of Obamacare is that it left 90% of the law to the discretion of unaccountable, unelected, power-hungry cronies (not just Sebellius, but also IRS officials).

    If only there was a mechanism by which information such as the state of modern regulations could be transmitted to the general public.

    I don't want to ever hear another g_ddamned word from a g_ddamned liberal, ever, about how corrupt and power hungry Nixon/Reagan/Bush/insert Republican POTUS here was.

    1. Re:Crony Capitalism at its finest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I love it. Completely on topic, accurate and there isn't a damn thing you morons can do to dispute this.

      And yet you douchenozzles mod it down.

      How many of you fuckwads spend time blowing Obama I have to ask? Huh? I can get you a deal on kneepads to protect your knees.

      Fuckwads.

  9. Your rate offers will be ready in by wagr · · Score: 5, Funny

    45 seconds
    2 minutes
    15 seconds
    30 seconds

  10. Microsoft by roman_mir · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So a former MS exec is now in charge of USA 'health insurance' system. I wonder, how much time before MS is hired to write a secondary system that will replace the original one (at a hefty price tag, of-course)?

    1. Re:Microsoft by rmdashrf · · Score: 1

      With a website that's only usable with Internet Explorer.

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    2. Re:Microsoft by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      With a website that's only usable with Internet Explorer.

      Version 6!

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    3. Re:Microsoft by Cramer · · Score: 1

      ... that only works from 11am to noon on the third thursday of each month. (redirects to bing, which is also broken, all other times.)

    4. Re:Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      roman_mir should be in charge. He would hunt all the sick and elderly with an insufficient bank balance, and have their bodies converted to dog-meat. After all they are an irrelevant burden on society.

  11. microsoft exec plus the US Government... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm trying to think how this could end well.

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    1. Re:microsoft exec plus the US Government... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, that's easy . . . just look at Nokia and Steve Elop! The Microsoft exec will run Obamacare into bankruptcy, then Microsoft will buy Obamacare cheap for all the patents and IP . . . and then Microsoft will own our healthcare, as well as our desktops!

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    2. Re:microsoft exec plus the US Government... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      You're right, I should have said, end well for us, not Microsoft....

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    3. Re:microsoft exec plus the US Government... by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Well, some people like watching train wrecks...

    4. Re:microsoft exec plus the US Government... by mystikkman · · Score: 1

      Personally I am glad that healthcare.gov doesn't use .NET, or the bitching on forums about how that choice killed the website would've been terrible.

    5. Re:microsoft exec plus the US Government... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      and then Microsoft will own our healthcare, as well as our desktops!

      But then, won't the anti-trust commission object, because then Microsoft will effectively have a monopoly on viruses!

  12. Is this the Office 2010 - 2013 "upgrade" guy? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1
    Since the release of Office 2013, and its noticeably much uglier interface (especially in Outlook), I've had users flock to Google Docs and other web-based services to get away from the clunky Office Desktop. Notably, Outlook users are using the GMail web interface now, rather than downgrade Office and fall behind on keeping up-to-date with software and tech.

    Many of them think the best upgrade for Office 2015 would be to make it look like Office 2010 instead of this forced Windows-8 style which looks clunky and a bit monochromatic.

    If this is the executive responsible for this, I wonder who on earth picked him to be in charge of a site that needs to be used by a lot of computer-illiterate folks who don't like silly design changes!?!

    1. Re:Is this the Office 2010 - 2013 "upgrade" guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the release of Office 2013, and its noticeably much uglier interface (especially in Outlook),

      Are you batshit insane? The improvements to the UI in Outlook in 2013 make it by far the best version of Outlook ever. You only have to use inline replies once to know it.

    2. Re:Is this the Office 2010 - 2013 "upgrade" guy? by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      it is terrible. All the fancy animations and washed out unreadable color scheme make me long for the crap that was Office 2010. And I thought it could not get any worse than not being able to find what you need in the contextual ribbon tool bar and renaming everything to be "different".

    3. Re:Is this the Office 2010 - 2013 "upgrade" guy? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1

      My users would probably ask the same of you..they're the ones that started using webmail on their own rather than deal with Outlook...my opinion isn't really relevant when you can't get users to adopt a new version.

  13. Healthcare.gov will be fixed in 2 weeks by GoCrazy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean 10 seconds. Err, 3 months. No 5 days.

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  14. My Healthcare.net by NapalmV · · Score: 1

    Quick fix: in glorious MS tradition rename the site My Healthcare.net Now since few people would be able to figure out how to deal with the space in the website name, the congestion issue will be taken care of.

    1. Re: My Healthcare.net by JWW · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, by version 3 the site will be awesome!!

  15. website looks good just the PHB driven backend by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    The backed parts controlled by PHB's are what failed in the website.

    The tech's did not have that much time after getting the specs and have very limited QA time.

    1. Re:website looks good just the PHB driven backend by DaHat · · Score: 2

      The tech's did not have that much time after getting the specs and have very limited QA time.

      Oh? 3 years went by between the passage of the law and the launch of the site... how much more time do you think they should have had?

    2. Re:website looks good just the PHB driven backend by gerardrj · · Score: 1

      The law wasn't the "specs". Specs are "how do we handshake with SSA to verify a SSN", "what format will NJ's DOVS return birth certificate data in?"
      It took years to write the specs one the framework of the statute was in place.

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  16. Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamacare! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Would you Like to:

    [N/A] Keep your existing health plan?
    [ ] Automatically get shunted into Medicaid?
    [ ] Pay through the nose for a plan with a higher deductible, a higher co-pay, and higher monthly fees?
    [ ] Appeal your death panel ruling?

  17. Hasn't Obama... by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    screwed ov er the country enough already.

    1. Re:Hasn't Obama... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not yet, apparently.

      (my captcha test was "disaster", how ironic!)

  18. Old addage by melchoir55 · · Score: 1

    The blind leading the blind.

  19. Government beliefs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sad thing about this is that it indicates the government thinks that MS is a shining example of how to do things right.

  20. Fix it and implement the missing 40% of project by drnb · · Score: 1

    Wait, so you mean this is the second guy to "step in and fix it" since October? That would seem to indicate this is truly an enormous disaster.

    Its not just fixing the front end user interface. There is the 40% of the project that is back end and has not even been implemented at all according to recent testimony to congress.

  21. Brilliant! Ribbons everywhere! by BenJeremy · · Score: 1

    They can replace everything with Ribbons... allowing users to customize their experience! Not only will they never be able to sign up for health care now, but they won't even know where to click to exit the web site!

  22. Why? by gerardrj · · Score: 1

    What large connected software system has MS built without purchasing a company that was already doing the thing and re-brand it?

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    1. Re:Why? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      What large connected software system has MS built without purchasing a company that was already doing the thing and re-brand it?

      Windows? Office? Visual Studio? I'm not sure about others, but I'd guess that's my ignorance. Not that you really need an answer. Because with the company, they buy the management team. Which means that the proportion of projects acquired vs. homegrown is directly proportional to the likelihood that he worked for a company that did things well enough to be acquired by MS

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    2. Re:Why? by gerardrj · · Score: 1

      None of those are large connected systems. They are single user applications. Word doesn't need to access remote systems to get information about anything.
      And it does matter. They're not hiring Microsoft, just a guy who worked there and knew how to buy companies; not how to build or repair large highly diversely integrated systems such as healthcare.gov.

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  23. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by ccanucs · · Score: 1

    "Are you sure?" :-)

    Also - the site will have impenetrable ribbon bars at the top with icons that you will have no idea about

  24. Very unfair to the original team by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    The problems are largely resolved and in 3 months when the deadline hits and millions more are enrolled the old administrators will take the blame for past problems and this guy will get the credit.

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    1. Re:Very unfair to the original team by DaHat · · Score: 2

      Jay Carney, is that you?

      Nice idea in theory... the practice thus far doesn't fall in life.

      Aside from the fact that the enrollment #'s (at both the state & federal exchange levels) are well behind schedule, good sized portions of the website still do not exist, like the payment system: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-29/obamacare-payment-system-to-insurers-delayed-by-months.html

      No... the website was only the second blow from this horrible law... the first being the massive wave of insurance cancelations & price increases we've also seen over the last few months, mostly in the individual market.

      Just wait until the other shoe drops next year and the unlawful postponement of the employer mandate runs out.

    2. Re:Very unfair to the original team by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Unlike your partisan hackery, I've been actually USING the website. I put up with about a month of TERRIBLE performance before I could get myself registered. I enrolled, paid my 1st month's premium to Coventry, and will have healthcare I signed up for under the exchange starting next year.

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  25. As if moral could not get any lower, Stack Ranking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stack Ranking will make it worse:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/07/03/the-terrible-management-technique-that-cost-microsoft-its-creativity/

    Management idiots never seem to get it. And to make matters worse you have Marissa Meyer forcing employees into the office because they might be happy at home.

  26. Man, the Republicans could have just waited. by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

    And the whole thing would have just exploded. Does Obama have a change of heart and wants this whole thing to just die?

    1. Re:Man, the Republicans could have just waited. by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You would think, but Obama has never backed down on anything. It's not in his mindset.

      It's not that he wouldn't think he was wrong, but that the idea couldn't possibly ever occur to him. After all, he's been surrounded by Yes Men his whole life. Who can blame him?

      Obamacare is ideologically-driven, and the only thought that was put into the possibility of its failure was that it could facilitate the call to go all out and implement a single-payer system. One could say this is a cynical observation, but it's been admitted to by more than a few Democrats. That's been the real endgame since the 1930s.

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    2. Re:Man, the Republicans could have just waited. by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      Shit, you mean we'd have to deal with going from paying 18% of GDP for healthcare under the current US system and end up paying 11% of GDP for healthcare under a single payer system like Canada? OH GOD NO!!!!

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  27. Journalists, please keep asking him this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Will healthcare.gov always operate on open web standards, or slide toward proprietary (Microsoft) lock-in?"

  28. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by Chalnoth · · Score: 1, Informative

    Would you Like to:

    • [N/A] Keep your existing health plan?
    • [ ] Automatically get shunted into Medicaid?
    • [ ] Pay through the nose for a plan with a higher deductible, a higher co-pay, and higher monthly fees?
    • [ ] Appeal your death panel ruling?

    Correct version of the above:

    Would you like to:

    • [N/A] Keep your existing health plan?
    • [ ] Eliminate your monthly premiums and pay lower out-of-pocket bills via Medicaid (now available for millions more Americans)?
    • [ ] Pay less for a plan which covers more and has limits on the amount you pay, instead of limits on the amount insurance pays?
    • [ ] Make so much money that you can afford to pay a little bit more?

    There is no corresponding correction to "death panels" because those are imaginary.

  29. Political favors by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Gotta love 'em

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  30. Blue Screen of Death Panel by david999 · · Score: 0

    They are going to set up the Blue Screen of Death Panel.

  31. Can we just have single payer yet? by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please? How much more complicated do we have to make it before we do what the rest of the civilized world is doing?

    I know Americans like to be different but it's gone too far.

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    1. Re:Can we just have single payer yet? by plopez · · Score: 1

      This debacle is making single payer look better and better....

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    2. Re:Can we just have single payer yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are asking was their intended result of this legislation all along.

    3. Re:Can we just have single payer yet? by twmcneil · · Score: 1

      You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.
      Winston Churchill

      We're still trying 'everything else'.

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    4. Re: Can we just have single payer yet? by Gliscameria · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I think we still have complete deregulation on the checklist.

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  32. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    [N/A] Keep your existing health plan?

    When Obama said: "If you like your plan you can keep it," — he meant to say: "If I like your plan, you can keep it." The millions, whose plans aren't, in Obama's omniscient and benevolent opinion, good enough — because they don't cover, say, obesity counseling, or contraception, or gender-changes — are out of luck...

    There is no corresponding correction to "death panels" because those are imaginary.

    No, they aren't. There always are patients, who could be kept alive at high costs but without much, if any, prospect of recovering. When and whether to "pull the plug" on them is currently up to the patients and/or their families. Once the government becomes the single payer — which is what Obama and you dream about — the decision will be the government's. It is unlikely, that it will be a single shirley sharrod deciding — more like a panel of them. "Death panel" is a perfectly apt term describing the outfit...

    If the IRS is already used today to suppress opposition, why wouldn't the next charismatic demagogue in the White House use these panels to an even graver effect? No, not even against the opposition figures themselves — too obvious...

    "Hey, if you'd like your mother to be approved for surgery, rather than referred to End of Life Counseling, do not talk about this and that in your next public appearance. Do we understand each other?"

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  33. Yer killin' me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I laughed so hard I nearly coughed up my skull. They're getting some Microsoft flunky to fix the Healthcare.gov debacle? That's the final nail in the coffin for Obamacare.

    In my company we got rid of our previous programming manager, who drank the Micorosoft koolaid, a few months ago. Productiviity is up about 400%.

  34. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by plopez · · Score: 1

    "When and whether to "pull the plug" on them is currently up to the insurance companies."

    fixed that for you

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  35. Do they give you plenty of water... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...give you some MiracleGrow, and shine your leaves once a week?

    What with you being a plant and all...

  36. I felt a disturbance. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Sometime earlier today I felt a disturbance in the force, as though millions of user accounts cried out terror and they were suddenly silenced... Have been wondering why. Now I know.

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  37. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by mi · · Score: 1

    When and whether to "pull the plug" on them is currently up to the insurance companies.

    Sure. Thanks for confirming, that death panels do, in fact, exist. However, the worst the insurance company can do today is notify the hospital, they'll stop paying — and they don't want to do that for fear of very bad publicity. The hospital — being a separate entity currently — will not pull the plug on their own.

    Once we arrive at the "single payer" nirvana, hospitals will, effectively, be run by the same people, who pay the bills. And, unlike with today's competing insurance companies, the sole payer will have no fear of competition... Double whammy — and the death panels...

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  38. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by Chalnoth · · Score: 2

    We are already at that "single payer" nirvana for everybody over 65. It's called Medicare, and Medicare has a significantly higher satisfaction rate than private insurance.

  39. Guess what, shill? Obama can't change law at will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Dear Shill,

    Just because Obama issues a proclamation, it doesn't mean he can change dully passed law at will.

    So what does the ObamaCare Shill's Handbook say about that, shill?

    And while you're looking, shill, maybe you could tell us why so many of the 5 million people who have already had their policies cancelled thanks to ObamaCare said they were good policies, and that the new coverage is both worse and more expensive?

  40. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    You forgot one check-box:

    [_] Stick with GOPcare and die.

  41. Ribbon Shmibbon by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Just like MS-Office menus, they'll re-arrange your guts every 6 years for no reason whatsoever. You'll forgot which orifice does what, and brush 'em all just to be on the safe side.

  42. that's the point, Dems say. But if feds fail even by raymorris · · Score: 1

    That's kind of the point, some Democrat congress critters say. Let this fail horribly and a certain segment of the voting public will once again be clamoring for CHANGE. Any change will do. Those voters don't bother to ask "change to what?"

    If they did think about what the new (single payer) system would be like, they'd realize they'll have the US government, who can't even manage to have a website built, would be running the whole show. Instead of taking six months to maybe buy medical insurance on healthcare.gov, it'll be six months to maybe schedule a doctor appointment on healthcareappt.gov .

  43. Why Him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft's culture is deficient when it comes to the idea that things should Just Work. They will get an arrogant notion in their heads that users need to do things differently to accommodate a design decision. They regularly opt to force the next iteration on users rather than fix problems in what exists and strive for stability. Microsoft Office is an example. Interoperability is way below forced obsolescence on Microsoft's list of design criteria.

    Someone from Microsoft isn't necessarily the worst possible choice for the job - there are heroin addicts in the Ukraine who have little experience with problem analysis and system design and various deep-sea fish that would probably be worse choices - but it's certainly not a good choice, and most likely has more to do with cronyism, nepotism, or who helped who during the Obama campaign than with what would be good for healthcare.gov going forward.

  44. Re:that's the point, Dems say. But if feds fail ev by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    and so this is how it is in other countries that do have single-payer?

    huh? what? they don't have the problems you list? other countries _do_ make this work and the people _do_ like it?

    so you must be saying that we can't do things even 2nd world countries can?

    why do you hate america so much?

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  45. All non-exchange compliant health plans doomed ... by drnb · · Score: 1

    Actually, all non-exchange compliant health plans are doomed under the ACA. The "you can keep your plan" statement was known to be a lie by anyone who understood economics. All health insurance plans are designed to have younger healthier members to offset the older sicker members. Once the ACA goes into effect no one will be allowed to join these existing non-exchange compliant plans. Without new members a health plan is doomed. Its population just gets older and sicker and premiums will no longer cover costs. Whether it was 1 year or 5 years or 10 years anyone who looked into this would understand old insurance plans were to be canceled. Why would anyone be surprised that the insurance companies are canceling these doomed plans earlier rather than later to maximize profit?

  46. Re:Guess what, shill? Obama can't change law at wi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only the law were written with the concept of discretion and waivers in mind.

    Heaven forbid, they actually thought of it.

    But who knows why people say what they do, people say a lot of things, but the facts don't always back them up.

    See for example, Megyn Kelly on Fox News, about St. Nicholas and Jesus.

  47. dear illiterate shitheads the topic is ms exec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nobody gives a shit about yor stupid fucked up analysis of health care. what the fuck do you know about healthcare?
    this is an anti microsoft site.
    now shut up about how fucked up obama is because of how fucked up bush is and get back to bashing balmer or elop or whoever else makes more money than you you fuckking trolls.

  48. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by hazah · · Score: 1

    Somehow, other civilized societies avoided that, what is it about the USA that makes YOU feel like it wont?

  49. yes, 30 day wait for Dr. appointment in Canada by raymorris · · Score: 1

    A) The Canadians I know come to the US for medical care.
            Do we want a system so awesome that people can't get the care they need and have to go to other countries? Canada DOES measure quality by the percentage of people who are able to see a doctor within 30 days. For a GP, most wait less than 30 days. For a specialist, most wait more than 30 days. I called my doctor at 4PM today to make an appointment for tomorrow morning . So yes, that is a problem with government run healthcare.

    B) Yes, I AM saying that the US government is different from other countries. It's supposed to be. I bet most governments can build a web site, or at least have one built. The US government spends millions and ends up with garbage. That's a fact. Even Obamacare poster girl that Obama presented as a representative success story wasn't actually able to buy insurance via healthcare.gov. All they needed was ONE person to present as a success story and they couldn't find ONE; they had to fake it.

    The US government is SUPPOSED to be fair, transparent, and democratic. It's not DESIGNED to be efficient and capable. If we wanted efficient and capable we'd have Supreme Dictator Eric Schultz, not filibusters. Eric Schultz, as dictator, would get shit done. Congress doesn't get shit done, Congress isn't designed to get shit done Congress is designed to be fair, to be accountable to their constituents and to be deliberative (slow).

    I'm sure North Korea could do government healthcare efficiently, because they'd just do whatever the dictator said, with noone whining about coverage for sex-change surgery or whatever. Here in the US, the government has to pander to the dude who wants a pussy, to the old guy who spent all his money on hookers and blow, and the young people working their ass off to pay for all this crap. That's not a recipe for an effective, efficient system. It's not supposed to be, not the US government.

    1. Re:yes, 30 day wait for Dr. appointment in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BS !!! I'm Canadian. I called my Dr. at 4 PM yesterday - to make an appointment
      for my choice of time today. I chose 2:30 .... and was out of there with 2 Rx's, and
      req's for X-ray & EKG from 2 clinics. Both in same building - DONE - by 4:30 PM !!

              I'm SO tired of all this bluster - just get rid of the insurance vultures, and
      you'd ALL have great healthcare for everybody --- AND be able to balance
      the budget !!!

    2. Re:yes, 30 day wait for Dr. appointment in Canada by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      SOME Canadians go to the US for medical care, for more urgent medium/long term health issues.

      You are misrepresenting the "see a doctor within 30 days" metric, the 30 days stat is *specifically* to see a specialist. To see a GP? Sure, waiting a few days is "less than 30 days" but that's a severe misrepresentation.

      For more mundane matters, I can see my doctor or nurse practitioner within 48 business hours, sometimes the same day if I call in the morning. Getting a family doctor is an issue for some, but they (or I) can go to a walk-in clinic, with average wait times of maybe an hour (I was seen at a walk-in after a mere 15 minutes when visiting another province), but can walk out with a prescription or doctor's note. For broken limbs or moderate emergencies like appendicitis, you're seen within hours at a hospital, and major emergencies like heart attacks, strokes and car accident trauma it's immediate. And it's all "free".

      Yeah, yeah, let's be pedantic and admit it's hidden in taxes, but when a broken arm in the US can cost some people over $1000 *after* insurance, I'm pretty confident I could suffer a broken arm, heart attack and appendicitis at different times in the same year and will have paid far less into the health care system than it would cost the average joe American who suffers a single major emergency. Never mind we don't have to fill out all those insurance forms.

      No, of course it's not perfect, I wouldn't even call it great, merely adequate. But it's very hard to argue the average Canadian is worse off healthcare-wise than the average American per dollar spent.

    3. Re:yes, 30 day wait for Dr. appointment in Canada by Anarchduke · · Score: 1
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  50. Lends Whole New Meaning . . . by Radworker · · Score: 1

    to "Embrace, extend, extinguish" doesn't it? So you can take the exec out of MS but can you take the MS out of the exec?

  51. Re: Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamac by JWW · · Score: 1

    My God. Your first post was bad enough. This is epic astroturfing.

    Ezekiel is that you??

  52. lying to make themselves look bad by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I'm glad you didn't have to wait long. According to the government office running that damn thing, about 30% of patients have to wait more than 30 days for a GP and 70% wait more than 30 days for a specialist.

    Are you claiming that they are lying to make themselves look bad, or that it's okay for everyone ELSE to be unable to see the doctor for a month, because you personally got to see one this time?

  53. Huge difference in jobs by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    will replace Jeffrey Zients, who stepped in to lead the team fixing the health insurance website when it crashed and burned on its Oct. 1 launch. Zients is set to take over next month as senior White House economic adviser

    So, you either have an economist who was working in an IT position, which may explain why the website is having such problems, or you have an IT guy who is going to step into an economist position, which means that the economy is going to tank. Or you have a manager who doesn't understand either but acts like they do. Who thought this was a good idea?

  54. You got that right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Universal health care...take the money for it out of the NSA budget!

  55. Changes in rules mean changes in payments by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Meanwhile, even the NYT is profiling lefty professionals who are quite surprised to learn that Obamacare means they pay more and get less.

    Some people always were going to end up paying more any time you make adjustments in the rules. This is no big surprise unless you weren't paying attention or are just plain dumb. When you shift coverage around the risk pools are going to change and some people are going to end up paying more than before, particularly if they had an unusually good deal. Some will get better pricing others will have to pay a bit more. Most will end up somewhere in the middle.

    On the other hand, in my company virtually all of my employees (except for myself) are going to end up paying less than they were before for similar or better coverage. In rough numbers my company was paying around $500/month for each employee on our plan and the company picked up half that cost ($250 to the company, $250 to the employee) for an HMO plan roughly equivalent to a gold or silver plan. The plans our employees are signing up for get them similar coverage (sometimes better) and their out of pocket expense is usually about 2/3 of what they were paying before. Better still, our company no longer has to kick in anything so the company wins too. (We would kick in but due to some of the rules regarding company contributions we cannot this year - hope to next year) In my case I'm paying just slightly more than before but now I can use a Health Savings Account and have a PPO instead of an HMO.

    1. Re:Changes in rules mean changes in payments by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      This is no big surprise unless you weren't paying attention or are just plain dumb.

      You mean, dumb like the lefty professionals? 'cause they sounded kind of surprised.

  56. Absurd levels of cynicism by sjbe · · Score: 1

    No, they aren't. There always are patients, who could be kept alive at high costs but without much, if any, prospect of recovering.

    True... though I'm lost as to how you think that is somehow ethical.

    Once the government becomes the single payer — which is what Obama and you dream about — the decision will be the government's.

    Really? Then explain to me how it is that everyone over the age of 65 isn't immediately put to death the first time they catch a cold by the government since people on medicare (everyone over 65 in the US) ARE on a single payer system. Or how it doesn't work like that in any country that has a single payer system (which is most of them). After all you apparently believe that "death panels" exist - astonish me. Oh that's right, back here on Earth things don't really work like that. [/sarcasm] Medical decisions are largely left to the doctors and health care professionals and while reimbursement rates might change, the option to treat will not. Doctors often have to fight with insurance companies to get reimbursed for treatment but they ALWAYS have the option to treat and they usually can get reimbursed if the treatment really is medically necessary. My wife is a doctor and I see her practice do it every day.

    Apparently you've forgotten that people vote (especially older people) which is why politicians are absolutely loathe to make changes to medicare, even when it is a good idea to do so. Do you really think that anyone who actually, in real life, promoted the government deciding when people should die would remain in office for long? Seriously, you have an absurdly cynical view of how the world works.

    1. Re:Absurd levels of cynicism by mi · · Score: 1

      There always are patients, who could be kept alive at high costs but without much, if any, prospect of recovering.

      True... though I'm lost as to how you think that is somehow ethical.

      Huh?

      Then explain to me how it is that everyone over the age of 65 isn't immediately put to death the first time they catch a cold by the government since people on medicare (everyone over 65 in the US) ARE on a single payer system.

      First of all, I did not say, the government will condemn everyone to death — whether or not they have a prospect of recovering. What I said was, the decision — whatever it is — will be the government's.

      Second, I don't doubt, that people with a good chance of recovering will be paid for (except, perhaps, in certain very special circumstance). A cold — or even an influenza — are quite recoverable and the sole payer will pay for it.

      Lastly, the Medicare today is sustained not by the beneficiaries, but by the younger people, who pay into it, but aren't yet eligible to use it. Once we have, what Illiberals affectionately call "Medicare for All", belts will have to be tightened — severely...

      Apparently you've forgotten that people vote

      I'd much rather be able to switch a doctor/insurer/hospital as easily as I can already switch a mechanic, car insurance, or an ISP — from one competitor to another without waiting for the majority of the voters to agree with me. It is just (much) better that way as it is quicker and allows people that wonderful thing called choice.

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  57. False: Death Panels Exist There Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or did you miss the story about the NHS killing off 130,000 elderly patients a year?

    In fact, UK doctors get a £50 bonus for putting patients on the "Liverpool care Pathway," i.e. pain medication, but no attempt to prolong the patient's life.

    The same is true in many other EU countries,

    1. Re:False: Death Panels Exist There Too by heefeneet · · Score: 1

      Or did you miss the story about the NHS killing off 130,000 elderly patients a year

      Its a Daily Mail article, so it can be dismissed as grossly inaccurate (at best). I'm sure they blamed immigrant doctors, too.

  58. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by sycodon · · Score: 1

    These plans were (rightly) made illegal by the new regulations that require a base level of quality in insurance plans.

    And here we have Obamacare distilled down to its essential element...we know what's best for you.

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  59. let's try reading the ENTIRE sentence by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > You are misrepresenting the "see a doctor within 30 days" metric, the 30 days stat is *specifically* to see a specialist.

      Let's try reading an entire sentence or two. I said:

    "For a GP, most wait less than 30 days. For a specialist, most wait more than 30 days."

    They publish BOTH statistics. For a GP, "only" 20%-30% had to wait more than a month. For a specialist, the AVERAGE is over a month.

    1. Re:let's try reading the ENTIRE sentence by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      My beef is not with your pointing out the waiting period to see a specialist.

      Per this report, of the 85% of Canadians with a family doctor, the average wait time to see the GP was 2 days. The report also ranks Canada dead last among countries compared on this metric, with only 45% able to see their doctor within two days for an illness.

      But, when you first wrote "for a GP, most wait less than 30 days" you implied that a significant minority (which you've now explicitly stated as 20-30%) face 30+ days to see a GP.

      Please quote the text and link to source (if not the wiki article) that says 20-30% had to wait more than a month to see a GP, or at least give me the actual number they used so I can search for it. I'm not seeing anything that could be reasonably interpreted the way you have.

  60. Only one word can describe this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DOH!

  61. Re:Guess what, shill? Obama can't change law at wi by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

    The executive branch has discretion on the enforcement of laws. This is part of the division of powers as laid down in the constitution. The president can decide to de-emphasize or simply not enforce a particular law or section of a law. In making this statement, Obama is essentially stating, "The executive branch isn't going to enforce this particular provision until next year."

    Also, it's not really possible that the new insurance policies are worse, because before the ACA, insurance policies as the ones we all have available starting next year did not exist. They may be more expensive, but it's because they cover more.

  62. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

    So, you think being unable to get insurance because you have a pre-existing condition is better? Or getting thrown off of your existing insurance because you happened to get really sick?

  63. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by sycodon · · Score: 1

    I think that I had a good plan. I think it covered what I needed to be covered.

    Then people who think like you came along and said..."no, you are wrong".

    Now, I have a more expensive plan with a higher deductible.

    So you can just fuck off and die.

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  64. ... for fear of bad publicity ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't what? Yes indeed, insurance companies do, every day, tell hospitals that they're going to stop paying for a patient's treatment. It's called a coverage limit. There is no bad publicity, there is no publicity at all, it is just the way medical care works in America. Or rather doesn't.

  65. worst is good enough by raymorris · · Score: 1

    "The report also ranks Canada dead last among countries compared on this metric"

    So you agree they are the worst wait times in the world, roughly speaking. I'd say that's enough to make it clear that the Canadian system is in no way perfect. Are we in agreement on that, there are some significant disadvantages known?

    If so, I don't see a need to go back and try to find the exact document I read a year ago. The point has made and agreed to.

  66. Are You Kidding by brunnegd · · Score: 1

    YGBSM! MS is the poster child for bad code. MS develops products, does v and v to the extent necessary to allow the product to be marketed, then waits on users to find the bugs. Very cost effective. Do you want someone with this background in charge of the computer program behind 0care? I don't. The issue is not the pretty GUI on Healthcare.gov, it is the coding that connects the government and industry databases together, the coding that securely protects private information, the coding that makes sure Americans are getting the health care we signed up for. This is a joke.

  67. Re:Looks Like You're Trying to Sign Up for Obamaca by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

    Really? So you're telling me that you don't qualify for the new subsidies? Given that the subsidies cover a family of four with income up to around $90k/year (varies a bit depeding upon the state), either you didn't get your healthcare through the exchange and are missing out, or you make enough that you can just suck it up and pay a little more.

  68. I accept your surrender by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

    So you agree they are the worst wait times in the world, roughly speaking. I'd say that's enough to make it clear that the Canadian system is in no way perfect. Are we in agreement on that, there are some significant disadvantages known?

    If so, I don't see a need to go back and try to find the exact document I read a year ago. The point has made and agreed to.

    Don't put words in my mouth. I said very clearly said the first time:

    No, of course it's not perfect, I wouldn't even call it great, merely adequate

    so of course there are significant disadvantages known, just as the US system has its own. And Canada was dead last on this one metric, compared against 11 developed countries, not the entire world.

    The *only* real issue I had with your original post was that the title "30 day wait to see a doctor in Canada" is a clear lie of omission, barely improved when you clarified "For a GP, most wait less than 30 days." 2 days wait is a whole order of magnitude difference from 30 days. It's like me claiming "most broken arms cost less than $9,000 to take care of in the US" even though average out-of-pocket expense might be only $300-500.

    Since I've cited sources for my key point about GP wait times, and you're using a flimsy excuse not to look for even a single credible source to back up your claim that 20-30% of Canadians wait 30+ days to see their GP, I accept your surrender.

    1. Re:I accept your surrender by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Ah, Americans talking about Canadian healthcare. It's like hearing from an old, crazy friend.

      (For the record, Canadian healthcare is awesome. Consider any metrics from Americans who haven't lived there to be very likely cherry-picked to support their ideology.)

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      It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
      - E. Debs
  69. Cannot end well by IndieVoter · · Score: 1

    So, we have a combo of Libya, Rev Wright, corrupt lawyers, Surface, Win8, and Office.... What could POSSIBLY go wrong?