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Harvard Bomb Hoax Perpetrator Caught Despite Tor Use

Meshach writes "The FBI has caught the student who called in a bomb threat at Harvard University on December 16. The student used a temporary anonymous email account routed through Tor, but the FBI was able to trace it (PDF) because it originated from the Harvard wireless network. He could face as long as five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a $250,000 fine if convicted. He made the threat to get out of an exam."

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  1. In the kitchen by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whenever you peel back the layers of an onion, someone is bound to cry.

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    1. Re:In the kitchen by ysth · · Score: 2

      Yes. Or perhaps only one (in the relevant time frame).

      In terms of a deterrent, I'm not sure 5 years of jail is going to sound any more scary than just expulsion; the penalties here seem out of line.

    2. Re: In the kitchen by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Committing a felony already loses him the right to vote or own a firearm, and will make employment prospects difficult.

      Sure is a lot to give up to keep from having to take an exam.

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    3. Re:In the kitchen by Loether · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah. I bet he was the only one (or a very few) at the time on Harvard's wifi and TOR. Then some good old fashioned police work, by telling the suspect some well crafted white lies closed the case. ie (we know what you did, sign this confession and make your life easier.) Unless I missed it, the court document never said they traced the specific message to him. Just him to TOR and TOR to the email. Then he admitted to it. At any rate, I'm glad they caught him. There are easier ways to avoid taking a test.

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    4. Re: In the kitchen by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bad example -- in Mass., felons don't lose their right to vote. They do lose their rights to own guns but the gun laws are so draconian that they never really had that right in the first place. Most people who own a gun are breaking the law in doing so.

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    5. Re: In the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I shouldn't state it, but I hope an example is made from this person. At the uni I graduated from, they had many of these incidents, all timed around midterms or finals week. It got old having the police stop and lock down everyone in a building or having to wait hours for them to clear a parking lot with the dogs. Of course, when trying to focus on passing, it doesn't help either when a final is moved/rescheduled and one has spent a good long time preparing for it.

    6. Re:In the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      So once the FBI subpeona'd Tor to get the IP number that sent the threat, it was a done deal.

      Tor is not an entity.

    7. Re:In the kitchen by tgd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. Or perhaps only one (in the relevant time frame).

      In terms of a deterrent, I'm not sure 5 years of jail is going to sound any more scary than just expulsion; the penalties here seem out of line.

      IMO, not even remotely out of line. Ignoring the impact to students at Harvard (and the cost to the school), it impacted local police, and the area around Harvard.

      And more importantly, and the whole point of punishments, is to put the deterrent high enough to prevent others from doing it. If the perception of a moron like this kid is "I'm going to flunk out" vs "I'm going to be expelled", unless there's a 100% chance of being caught making the threat, you're better off making the threat if the only ramification is being expelled.

    8. Re:In the kitchen by PIBM · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you had taken the time to read the deposition, when confronted he said that he did it and why.. so yeah, he's toasted.

    9. Re:In the kitchen by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      I suspect it wasn't hard to figure out. Bomb threats before exams are fairly common, historically. Therefore, there's a high likelihood that the perp is a student. Therefore, high likelihood that the threat originated on campus. Examination of router logs during the time in question then becomes the most likely first step. And it paid off. This doesn't really have anything to do with TOR. It has to do with an individual student understanding just enough about how the internet works to make a half assed and ultimately fruitless attempt to cover his tracks.

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    10. Re:In the kitchen by terbeaux · · Score: 4, Informative

      So once the FBI subpeona'd Tor to...

      That's an awful long post for someone that doesn't seem to know what they are talking about. Tor cannot be subpoenaed for information. It is a peer to peer network, not a legal entity. They got this guy because to get on university wifi you need to login, which then associates your mac address with your account and allows traffic to flow. They also monitor your traffic and could associate his account with Tor use. This gave the FBI enough information to question him and he probably was so scared and guilty feeling that he freely confessed. You can change the mac address on most network adapters. You wouldn't need to buy a throwaway usb wifi adapter. The FBI would have had much less to go on if the perp had simply used a free wifi hotspot.

      It is difficult to understand what was going on in his head but it obviously wasn't rational thought.

    11. Re: In the kitchen by Qwaniton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The person you replied to was talking about gun laws in Massachusetts. You're talking about gun sales in the United States of America as a whole, completely ignoring state-level differences. If you don't see the obvious, slap-you-in-the-face error here, then you should trust that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. If you are indeed a United States citizen, which I heavily doubt, you're a fool. Pick another topic to try to sound smart about.

    12. Re: In the kitchen by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

      How do you explain the 5.5 millions guns sold annually to citizens in the US?

      Easy. They're sold to people that don't live in Massachusetts. What do I win?

      A number of years ago, I was moving from Maine back to New Jersey. I [legally] own firearms. I added two hours to my trip to entirely avoid Massachusetts, since it really is virtually illegal to have guns there.

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  2. Heckler veto by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We can either live in a future where little jackwagons can effect a denial-of-service attack on society, or
    we can spank the crap out of the idiots so that this kind of noise is minimized. Same goes for rape/hate crime hoaxes.

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    1. Re:Heckler veto by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We can either live in a future where little jackwagons can effect a denial-of-service attack on society, or we can spank the crap out of the idiots so that this kind of noise is minimized.

      OR we can stop over-reacting and instead apply a rational evaluation of the facts. This knee-jerk "all threats must be taken seriously" where "seriously" really means "total freakout" is the vulnerability here.

    2. Re:Heckler veto by zwei2stein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you are in charge, rational thing to do is to take threat seriously amd act on it.

      Why? Because if you are wrong about it being hoax, you are the one who has been responsible for preventing any and all deaths or injuries related to bomb going off.

      Your life would be instantly ruined - you failed to do your job and people died. Media and Internet would make sure everyone knows for year (up untill your deaths).

      Best thing to do is to do your job properly and when someone tries to abuse that, kick the fucker in the nuts enough so that it is not worth it for him.

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  3. Of course, he'll have affluenza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And therefore they'll put him in rehab rather than prison.

    Unless he's not affluent enough for his affluenza to be strong enough to cover this crime, after all, he called in a bomb threat, rather than killed four people in a drunk-driving incident.

    1. Re:Of course, he'll have affluenza by isorox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You should look at the statistics for people who attend Harvard. 30% of their students have a family that pulls in 150k or more.

      I'm amazed it's that low.

    2. Re:Of course, he'll have affluenza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't be, the other 70% just don't have an income, they're living off trust funds.

    3. Re:Of course, he'll have affluenza by isorox · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mightn't call being in the top 9% of households incomes "exceptionally affluent", but the other 91% of people probably do.

      I'm in the bottom 91%, but I certainly don't think a household on $150k a year is "exceptionally affulent". The median is about $70k.

    4. Re:Of course, he'll have affluenza by isorox · · Score: 2

      Close.. but not exactly.

      Try a median of 51k.

      However that median is brought down by young kids who don't have children who go to university.

      The typical wage earners in a family that send their kids to university will be arround the 45-55 mark (having had the kids around 25-35)

      http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Incomes-by-Age-Brackets.php

      backs my figure up, and earning twice what the average earn (pre-tax) doesn't make you rich, it's just a divide and conquer that the truely rich like to put out there.

      $150k a year for your household means you can afford a hosue about $400-450k, something like http://www.trulia.com/property/3029951135-8514-S-124th-St-Seattle-WA-98178, sure a nice house, but not rich by a long shot.

    5. Re:Of course, he'll have affluenza by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Informative

      Naw, Harvard has a huge endowment. There are some very poor kids who are very very smart and who'd love a Harvard brand name on their degrees. Harvard wants only the smartest poor people, so will offer the diamonds in the rough free tuition. The kids are still on the hook for housing, food, and books, but those costs are closer to $10,000/year if you live very frugally. It's win/win - Harvard gets a crop of geniuses, and the geniuses go to a college they'd otherwise never be able to afford.

      The valedictorian at my high school went this route. With a perfect SAT and ACT score and a bunch of academic achievement awards she probably could have gone anywhere, but she picked Harvard because they waived all the tuition and fees for her. Since her parents were Army, they couldn't provide much financial support outside of the scholarships, but their little girl got into Harvard so they were going to try.

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  4. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by The1stImmortal · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not neccessarily. His access to Tor via the campus wifi matched the timing of the emails enough to get him in a room, and then he confessed. Without the confession there'd be a lot less certainty of conviction, as the presumption of innocence would probably compel a jury, in the absence of any other compelling evidence, to find him not guilty.

    Moral of the story: Don't talk to cops.

    (also, don't make false bomb threats. They're stupid)

  5. So he didn't get caught from the e-mail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...but because he was the only one on the whole campus wifi that used Tor that day.

    Lesson to learn: Keep your endpoint traffic able to be lost in the noise, or ya' stick out like a sunflower in a coal mine.

    I.E. SSH somewhere *THEN* Tor.

    1. Re:So he didn't get caught from the e-mail... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      His mistake was admitting it. They basically had nothing on him, he could have been using Tor for any number of reasons and was not required to explain himself. All he had to do was deny sending the email and assuming he properly secured his browser there would have been no evidence to the contrary.

      Tor is still fine, even if you are the only one on campus using it. That fact alone is meaningless.

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    2. Re:So he didn't get caught from the e-mail... by Charliemopps · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless they had probable cause to grab his computer and he wasn't savvy enough to have wiped the drive. Cookies for the offending email address would be pretty incriminating.

    3. Re:So he didn't get caught from the e-mail... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unless they had probable cause to grab his computer and he wasn't savvy enough to have wiped the drive. Cookies for the offending email address would be pretty incriminating.

      i dont think you know how tor software works.. in using the preconfigured tor software that utilizes firefox, cookies are disabled by default, also java. and at the end of every session all history, cache and any traces to what you were doing are deleted automatically.. save if you download or bookmark something...

    4. Re:So he didn't get caught from the e-mail... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's be honest, someone who makes a bomb threat to get out of an exam isn't exactly tipping the scales on the brightness side.........

      He could make a great banker, though.

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    5. Re:So he didn't get caught from the e-mail... by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "His mistake was admitting it."
      And this is what is wrong with the world. His mistake was calling in a bomb threat to get out of taking an exam.
       

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  6. What an idiot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really?! Smart man.

    Avoid exam?
    Bomb threat!

    Police arrive?
    Immediately confess!

    The evidence itself was completely circumstantial. Without a confession they surely had nothing.
    They had no way to prove anything other than:
    1. Guerilla Mail was accessed by Tor to send the e-mails.
    2. Kim is a Harvard student that recently accessed Tor.

    1. Re:What an idiot. by gnasher719 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The evidence itself was completely circumstantial. Without a confession they surely had nothing.
      They had no way to prove anything other than:
      1. Guerilla Mail was accessed by Tor to send the e-mails.
      2. Kim is a Harvard student that recently accessed Tor.

      Enough to get a search warrant. So what do you think would a search warrant have shown? Fact is: If you did it, then there is evidence. And if the police thinks you did it, and the case is important enough to search very, very hard, they will find the evidence.

    2. Re:What an idiot. by N1AK · · Score: 2

      Encryption keys aren't protected by the 5th amendment right to silence. If you are asked to provide it by a court and don't then you'll likely in as bad or worse situation than if you did.

  7. Sounds like he visited torproject.org recently... by WoTG · · Score: 4, Informative

    I read the PDF (shock).

    It sounds suspiciously like they just checked the logs to see who had visited Tor related websites and then went and interviewed the handful of people who happened to visit these sites within a few days. Maybe interview those who had exams in the 4 listed buildings at the designated time?

    Or, possibly, they just checked who had used Tor in the last few days on their network - can you ID a Tor packet by looking at it?

    It doesn't sound like they needed to crack Tor.

  8. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Krneki · · Score: 5, Informative

    In our next lesson we will learn delayed email deliver functionality. Stay tuned!

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  9. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    " as the presumption of innocence would probably compel a jury, in the absence of any other compelling evidence, to find him not guilty."

    LOL, you believe too much what the tv tells you.

  10. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    also, don't make false bomb threats. They're stupid

    Don't make real ones either. They're even stupider.

  11. So he was clever enough ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... to use TOR, but then gave a full confession during an "interview", throwing his right to remain silent (and to have a lawyer present during questioning) out the window?

    1. Re:So he was clever enough ... by SB9876 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He called in a bomb threat to delay taking a final. This is a dude that has already shown that he has poor decision making skills.

    2. Re:So he was clever enough ... by gnasher719 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... to use TOR, but then gave a full confession during an "interview", throwing his right to remain silent (and to have a lawyer present during questioning) out the window?

      We can assume that someone who needs to avoid a test isn't the brightest spark. We can assume that someone who sends a bomb threat to avoid a test is reckless and stupid. We can assume that if someone who is reckless and stupid mails in a bomb threat, and his identity is discovered, then there _will_ be evidence. For example, they had easily enough to get a search warrant for his computer. What are the odds that there is evidence, like a draft of the email, on his computer? Remember: This is not an evil genius trying to disrupt US universities, it is a reckless idiot trying to get out of an exam.

    3. Re:So he was clever enough ... by Kijori · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure that it's really that surprising that he confessed - most people who are convicted of crimes plead guilty.

      And that's not a ridiculous notion; if you did it and have been caught, pleading guilty can get you a pretty hefty discount on your sentence when compared to being convicted at trial. In particular, where, like here, the range of sentences is very wide, it might mean the certainty that you will not go to prison.

    4. Re:So he was clever enough ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not sure that it's really that surprising that he confessed - most people who are convicted of crimes plead guilty.

      You plead guilty right before the trial would start, if anything.

      pleading guilty can get you a pretty hefty discount on your sentence

      And you waive that discount by confessing to a law enforcement officer during an "interview". Because in that case, the court has sufficient evidence to convict you regardless of your plea.

    5. Re:So he was clever enough ... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      ... to use TOR, but then gave a full confession during an "interview", throwing his right to remain silent (and to have a lawyer present during questioning) out the window?

      Outside of pessimists, paranoiacs, and people whose job description involves the word 'uptime', it's normal for someone engaged in 'problem solving' to stop thinking as soon as they find a solution.

      In his case, he started thinking, came up with a multi-layer anonymity plan, and then apparently stopped. When it failed, he suddenly had FBI agents and no additional plan. (Also, basic script-kiddie attempts at hiding online and lying to experienced interrogators in person are two very, very, different skills.)

    6. Re:So he was clever enough ... by quadrox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That doesn't change the fact that most likely he would be better of consulting a lawyer and not saying anything to the police/FBI/whoever.

    7. Re:So he was clever enough ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Informative
      This sounds like a plea bargain so it'll never see a jury.

      He just gave away any bargaining leverage by confessing to a law enforcement officer. Being able to skip a few days or weeks of trial and the associated costs will be the only advantage of a guilty plea.

      "if you cooperate with us, you'll get a lesser sentence"

      That is a lie, by the way. Law enforcement officers may lie when "interviewing" suspects.

      If faced with 50% risk of jail time and felonies compared NO jail time and felonies, the option with the lowest risk will always win.

      Confessing a to cop will get you all the jail time, every time. It's among the worst possible choices in such a case.

    8. Re:So he was clever enough ... by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 2

      We can assume that someone who needs to avoid a test isn't the brightest spark. We can assume that someone who sends a bomb threat to avoid a test is reckless and stupid. We can assume that if someone who is reckless and stupid mails in a bomb threat, and his identity is discovered, then there _will_ be evidence. For example, they had easily enough to get a search warrant for his computer. What are the odds that there is evidence, like a draft of the email, on his computer? Remember: This is not an evil genius trying to disrupt US universities, it is a reckless idiot trying to get out of an exam.

      Did you read a different warrant than I did? I saw *nothing* in the declaration that would count as probably cause for a search warrant, until it got to the part of "he admitted it to me". So most likely they did NOT have enough to get a warrant for his computer (the fact that he accessed TOR on that day wouldn't, by itself, be enough - he could have been using TOR for any number of reasons).

      You were dead on about him not being the sharpest knife in the drawer, though. What probably happened is that the police talked to him (along with everyone else who accessed TOR via the campus network on day in question), noticed that he was *very* nervous when they started talking about the bomb threats, and then proceeded with the standard "good cop/bad cop" interrogation (excuse me, *interview*) technique and got him to confess.

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    9. Re:So he was clever enough ... by ysth · · Score: 2

      Because there are other, innocent people interrogated as he was. And it would be better for them if the police didn't think harsh interrogation produces confessions.

    10. Re:So he was clever enough ... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He called in a bomb threat to delay taking a final. This is a dude that has already shown that he has poor decision making skills.

      Hey, that's what students do. Don't tell us that you never called in a bomb threat to avoid school or exams?

      The difference was, in the old days, school personnel knew that this is a standard student prank, and acted accordingly (namely, not at all). Only today, in this post-911 world have people become so paranoid that they take obvious prank calls at face value...

    11. Re:So he was clever enough ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 2
      there's an opportunity to plead in advance of the trial

      Even if there is - cops do not have any authority to influence the sentence in any way. If you want to make deals, you'll have to talk to the prosecutor and the judge. Not to cops. Cops will merely be witnesses during the trial and happily testify that you confessed to them.

    12. Re: So he was clever enough ... by Kijori · · Score: 2

      As I explained before, the aim of these policies is not to try to secure convictions that otherwise would not be obtained (although obviously that will still sometimes occur). The aim is to avoid the expense of a lengthy trial.

      For that reason, in many (if not most) jurisdictions, a sentence reduction will automatically be considered by the judge, whether there is agreement from the prosecutor or not. It doesn't matter what the particular cops want from you - it's a systemic policy, and the system wants to avoid trials.

    13. Re: So he was clever enough ... by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Plea bargaining in the sense you see on TV - "plead guity to the jaywalking or we seek the death penalty" - is, to my mind, coercion. I don't know to what extent that exists in reality, however.

      In reality, fewer than 10% of criminal cases go to trial. Fewer than 2% of federal criminal cases go to trial. Mandatory minimum sentences run in the multiple decades, making a bid for a trial an extremely risky proposition. This is extortion, plain and simple.

      It's in nobody's interest to spend public money trying someone who is willing to plead guilty

      Only if you assume that he is actually guilty, and not an innocent person assuming that he's going to be railroaded at trial, and taking the only chance he sees to minimize the damage.

      that has to be balanced against the very large cost and time savings.

      If it's not worth paying for a trial, it's not worth prosecuting at all. If you can't afford to offer your citizens trials, the solution isn't to shovel people into prisons until you have the largest prison population in the world(which we do, and it's not saving us any money either). The solution is to reexamine your laws, figure out the ones that are worth having, and which ones you can't afford.

      A real justice system doesn't cost us money, it saves us money. e.g. if we stopped prosecuting murders, chaos would ensue, and we would stop having a functioning economy. That would cost us a lot more than it would to prosecute murders. If we stopped prosecuting drunken driving, carnage on the highways would discourage people from using it, damaging our economy. Again that would cost us more than DUI enforcement. And that's just considering economic damage, and not the human costs.

      So all this talk about cost saving is quite frankly bullshit. If the laws you are enforcing aren't paying for themselves, directly or indirectly, it's a bad law. Trying to save money on top of the inherent payoff of justice by denying us our rights is incredibly wrongheaded.

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  12. How did they do it? by it0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the pdf

    "Harvard University was able to determine that, in the several hours leading up to the
    receipt of the e-mail messages described above, ELDO KIM accessed TOR using Harvardâ(TM)s
    wireless network."

    So Harvard keeps track of your connections. Still circumstancial but he confessed.
    "KIM then stated that he authored the bomb threat e-mails described above."

    1. Re:How did they do it? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All the campus networks I've seen remotely recently do some sort of access control, if only to avoid being a free wifi provider for every porn-torrent enthusiast in the neighborhood. Sometimes 802.11x, sometimes that bloody awful Cisco VPN monstrosity.

      What's more notable is that they apparently keep traffic logs for some amount of time, at least long enough to catch this guy, who knows how much longer?

      If you have a network of any nontrivial size, and want to keep it from falling in a screaming heap (especially with the lousiness of wireless links in the mix), taking steps to ensure that most of the users are the ones you are supposed to be providing service to, and doing some QoS to keep them from stepping on each others' toes is basically necessary. Keeping traffic logs, though, is an additional chunk of effort and expense, and all so that people will be motivated to come bug you for access to them. I wonder when they started keeping logs, and why.

    2. Re:How did they do it? by Rhywden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While we were forced to use DPI in order to catch people torrenting movies (our university threatened to pull the plug otherwise!), we also used it to catch the inevitable Worm infections or Botnets.

      Such computers were isolated from the rest of the net and (almost) all HTTP traffic was redirected (save for traffic to know antivirus software providers) to a page which stated that their computed was infected with Zeus, Conficker or whatever else is floating around there. And that they were to clean up their PCs and that we also recommended a complete wipe. They then had to type in "Yes, I understand" and were given a 24 hour grace period. If, after that time period, their PC was still infected they were off the net until they proved a complete reinstall to us.

    3. Re:How did they do it? by thoromyr · · Score: 2

      logs are kept because you need them. I wouldn't expect it to be apparent to someone who has never had to manage a real network, but logs and a reasonable retention are essential. There is a basic tension at work, though. You need logs from a management perspective, the more the better, but the more you have the greater your liability.

      For something basic like netflow (which any sane network administrator is going to have) you might have months of data. Places will vary, and some insist they need years, others go with less and some do without. But there's more than just netflow (which is just essential metadata about network traffic), you might use Bro to log web requests or copy out executables, or even just dump the whole stream to disk. The latter takes a large amount of disk space and *significantly* increases liability so places vary from not doing it to keeping an incredible amount (12+ months).

      How does it help network administrators? Netflow data is pretty essential to almost any trouble shooting task on the network. A complaint about traffic being dropped can be confirmed or denied by netflow lookup. Need to know what hosts an IP talked to? On certain ports? Doing a basic plausability check for data exfiltration? URL logging gives a trace for a compromise and can then be used to construct indicators of compromise. Capturing exe's on the fly is helpful in post mortem: what exe was downloaded to a compromised host? Do AV companies know about it yet? Full packet captures are extremely helpful in retrospection and can fill in the rest of the blanks. Especially if you are into the questionable practice of MITM the SSL connections.

      How does it increase liability? When hit with ediscovery if you've got it you have to produce it. This can get expensive, very expensive if you are doing full pcaps.

      Setting retention is a matter of finding a balance between what you need for trouble shooting and can afford to copy and maintain indefinitely. Without dropping below a certain minimum retention that is not really defined, but can hit you in court (a while back slashdot miscovered a company that got in trouble because they didn't log anything to disk which was sufficiently out of line with norms for the line of business they were in to get them in trouble). It matters what your peers are doing.

      We have varying retention even for essentially the same data depending on where/how it is being logged/stored. Sometimes these differences amount to bureaucratic/political, other times it is based on capacity of a particular data store. Retention might be defined as a volume of data (10GB), fraction of capacity (90%) or a span of time (30 days).

      Access control logging (I assume you are referring to logging authentication events) very likely have considerable lifetime at any facility, but the ability to map specific traffic to a user might be considerably less. For example, many universities employ NAT and depending on specifics of the implementation may or may not be able to map traffic to a user in any given circumstance regardless of retention.

      To the point of ensuring provision of service to users, QoS doesn't cut it -- at least not on a subscriber network. If it was just QoS rules access controls wouldn't even be relevant. But to do meaningful traffic shaping (which QoS is not) does require *some* form of user mapping. It could be done anonymously, though in practice I don't see how that would work well (for reasons having nothing to do with fair queuing).

      I think I've answered the question as to why keep logs. If not then talk to an administrator, whether it be server or network. Once you gain an understanding of what the job requires the keeping of logs makes sense and there's the risk of going whole hog and keeping too much. Which is when the legal liability aspect needs to be considered.

  13. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    It doesn't much help his case that circumstantial evidence pointed everyone more or less immediately at the Harvard campus, and thus at the first layer of the 'onion'. Tor is only minimally better (if at all) then straight SSL/TLS if the operator of hop #1 has strong reasons to be suspicious of Tor traffic within a set time period.

  14. Well it worked by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    He made the threat to get out of an exam.

    he won't have to worry about that any more

  15. Harvard by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I expected more from a Harvard student.

    A couple of hours of online research should have taught him to, at least, connect through a cracked wifi far from his neighborhood. Or, if he was computer illiterate, to convince someone from another country to send the mails for him.

    Also, once he decided to avoid the exam in a way that could land him in prison, why use a method he didn't understand, instead of burning down the building or paying someone to send the teacher to the hospital?

    However, the first question I would ask him would be if he had considered that simply approaching the teacher and explaining him that he and all his family would be killed unless the exam was postponed, carried a shorter jail time than a terrorist threat.

    In conclusion, clearly in Harvard they are not teaching how to deal with real world problems pragmatically.

    1. Re:Harvard by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The best Harvard students learn that you have no need to conceal your crimes if you can commit them from a position of enough influence to simply make them legal. That's where kiddo slipped up.

    2. Re:Harvard by prefec2 · · Score: 2

      Yes. That means you must be rich or dedicated and intelligent to study there. However, even the most intelligent people make stupid things and he could also be from the first group. Beside that, I do not believe that Harvard graduates are better in general than graduates from a normal university. They are only better connected to influential people.

  16. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The wonderful thing about shows like CSI is that it convinces criminals to implement absurd technical defences when their crimes will almost certainly be dealt with by old-fashioned police work.

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  17. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Was the guy ever catched ? Nope.

    Did this happen during an English class?

  18. Re:Sounds like he visited torproject.org recently. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    It doesn't sound like they needed to crack Tor.

    Of course, if the NSA has easy and simple ways of cracking Tor . . . they're not going to brag about it anyway:

    "Go ahead, keep using Tor . . . it's safe and we can't crack it . . ."

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  19. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by RivenAleem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They didn't know it originated from the wireless network. They knew it came from Tor. I could have sent it, for all they know. What they did know was the time it arrived. They played a hunch that it came locally (someone who planted/discovered the bomb on campus) and checked to see who had used Tor on their network at around that time, it's plain old fashioned detective work.

    Put the suspect in a room with an interrogator and extract a confession ("We have you on the Tor network the exact same time the email for the bomb hoax came through", "You were the only person using it at the time (whether that is true or not) so we know you did it", "This will go a lot easier on you if you confess now"). Will the confession stand? Did they read Miranda rights? Was he offered legal council?

  20. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by oobayly · · Score: 4, Informative

    This reminds me of the news the other day - there have had a few bombs going off recently in Northern Ireland - with warnings. Anyhow, on Monday the news said that a man was being treated for burns in Belfast, which was thought to be linked to sectarian violence, my first thought was "FFS, now they're setting each other on fire", quickly followed by laughter when it turned out the incendiary device he was carrying detonated - serves the stupid fucker right.

  21. Re:Sounds like he visited torproject.org recently. by qbast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... and they are not going to use it for this kind of case.

  22. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by fatphil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do you want the best for this dipshit?

    If you're *innocent*, don't talk to cops.
    If you're guilty, spill the beans immediately.

    You seem to want to encourage criminals to waste the whole legal system's time? (Which, like everything in the end, is paid for by honest tax-payers.)

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  23. Re:Sounds like he visited torproject.org recently. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or, possibly, they just checked who had used Tor in the last few days on their network - can you ID a Tor packet by looking at it?

    Depends on who the "you" is. The list of entry nodes is public knowledge. Telecoms/Government agencies probably keep historic lists of entry nodes. So it should be trivial to show a connection to the Tor network. The PDF implied (to me) that the FBI just crossreferenced Harvard's log with their list of entry nodes.

    To technically answer your question: Tor packets don't have a unique signature, but they all are of a known size.

    It doesn't sound like they needed to crack Tor.

    This is one of the best-known ways to deanonymize people using Tor: timestamping entering traffic and exiting traffic. Tor itself explains they have no theoretical way to fix that issue and still maintain a system that is low-latency (there may have been a third feature as well, where they got to pick-2-of-3).

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  24. Re:then tor clearly wasnt used correctly. by quetwo · · Score: 2

    Every time you join their wireless network, there is a click-through stating you agree that your traffic will be stored, should you do something stupid. Not in those same words, but close enough (at least in a series of two sentences... of which any Harvard student should be able to understand..

    Most of their traffic capturing was put in because of a mandate from the MPAA and RIAA back quite a few years ago. They were either going to be sued for aiding and abetting or they had to keep logs of which students were downloading which Metallica songs. They don't keep the traffic just the IP headers (actually trends, not every IP header). This was very well publicized a few years ago and shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

    Additionally, the upstream provider is required to conform to CALEA laws anyway, which would have been able to provide the same types of reports. It would have required Harvard's assistance to translate an IP to a person (I'm more than assuming they would have been willing to do this as well). CALEA does not require ISPs to notify that their traffic is being recorded, but guess what -- anything that leaves your network is out there in the open and may be open for inspection.

  25. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Precisely this. Harvard keeps flow type logs, they found someone using tor. Pigs barfed on him, he cracked and confessed. The kid's a fucking retard, mostly for cranking people.

    Please, don't use Tor to harass and be an asshole.
    Real freedom fighters need Tor, not you and your lulz.

    See who else really needs Tor: https://www.torproject.org/

    And quit being assholes.

  26. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    legal council? probably not. he's a terrorism suspect after all!!

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  27. Re:This just shows that criminals are stupid by adosch · · Score: 2

    The only thing criminal about this is what he's being charged with from a federal law perspective; his actions were just that: stupid. He was going to gain perhaps 24 more hours of study time to get out of a final exam. Using tor was a good idea until you originate it on a campus network --- someone who knew just enough to be microscopically dangerous on the internet. If articles are being written to use tor to make my personal activities on the internet harder for the NSA to correlate, it's gotta be the one-and-only tool right?

    Leave your smart phone at the dorm, give your student ID to a conspirator and have them badge you in at the library, use a laptop you temporarily bought at Walmart 2 weeks ago (which has an excellent return policy within 15 days opened or not), then take a taxi (or walk) down to a local area with free wifi (outside a budget hotel, coffee house or there are still dinks who have open APs), use a fake mac address, and do what you need to do. Kid criminals these days.

    I'm sure some slashdotter will bullet-hole that remark, but for making a digital bomb thread 'these days' I'd say you have to at least do that if you were on such a mission to do so. What happened to the "my immediate family member is suddenly ill? I must go see them for a day" excuse? I've never used that personally, but surely you start small and don't play the final ace right away.

  28. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Rule #9 of the American Justice System: To a jury, any doubt is reasonable; the better the case, the worse the jury; a good man is hard to find, but 12 of them, gathered together in one place, is a miracle.

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  29. Kids these days... by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If he'd just called it in from a pay phone, they'd never have found him.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Kids these days... by ysth · · Score: 2

      What is this "pay phone" you mention?

    2. Re:Kids these days... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If he'd just called it in from a pay phone, they'd never have found him.

      In Luxembourg, a couple of students at the European School did exactly that a few years ago. They were caught pretty quickly, because, you know, payphones have cameras... ("officially" to catch vandalism, but these cams sure did come in handy in this case as well). So, cops just walked with the pix from classroom to classroom until they found the perps.

  30. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by ysth · · Score: 2

    The PDF says he signed a waiver of Miranda rights.

  31. The linked article is confused... by tlambert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The linked article is confused... but Emerson Hall houses the philosophy department, so it was a philosophy final.

    Which is incredibly ironic, since those are generally a matter of opinion or history, which means he could likely have passed it in any case, given that he was a psychology major with a minor in Japanese, so it was kind of a pass/fail class for him anyway. I wonder if any of the news organizations have talked to Professor Gary King (Kim was his research assistant).

  32. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2

    that would be a big red flag because, you know...Silk Road is shut down.

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  33. Remember when this was no big deal? by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember the days when this story wouldn't even have made the local paper? Seriously, 25 years ago your average school saw one of these every few years. It headlined the school paper, the local cops investigated, but the FBI? National news? Heck no.

    Who needs terrorists when we now pay large corporations and government agencies to spread panic? Quit terrorizing the nation to protect your job security and let me know when something actually blows up.

  34. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by zerobeat · · Score: 4, Funny

    And in lesson three, we'll learn the age old trick of going down to the local busy Starbucks with a fresh install of *OS and then use the Tor. This might extend the time it takes the feds to knock on your door to over 24 hours!

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  35. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by prowler1 · · Score: 2

    (also, don't make false bomb threats. They're stupid)

    I work at a University. You can always tell when the exam periods have started by the fact that you are constantly seeing fire engines on campus.

    Students do the most stupid things to get out of doing an exam they have not prepared for.

    I have also seen fake student IDs so someone else can sit the exam and other dodgey dealings. It sucks for the staff (I have lost count of the amount of times I have had to evacuate the data centre/office due to a fire alarm) and also screws over the other students since they often need to resit the exam. It also costs the university money since they get charged for every fire department response.

  36. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

    You missed the part where he didn't want to take an exam.

    He didn't want to take an exam that day (probably because he had started studying way too late). He wouldn't probably object taking it 1 week later (or whatever date it would have been postponed too).

    If he hadn't confessed, he would have had to take it. So he really didn't have a choice.

    Even that is no guarantee. Maybe the cops will "allow" him to take the exam from prison?

  37. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just study, it's easier.

  38. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Informative

    Moron. I don't care how innocent or guilty you are.

    Don't talk
    Demand a lawyer (only time you can talk)
    Don't sign anything
    Don't fucking talk!
    Did I mention not talking?
    By the time your lawyer arrives you should need a glass of water because your lips will be stuck together from all the not talking you were doing.

  39. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by zippthorne · · Score: 2

    Or, and I'm just spitballing here, don't do any of that. Instead, use persuasive arguments to convince people to follow your will instead of trying to impose it via violence or threat of violence. Or even, if what you want people do do is legal to pay people to do, try that.

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  40. Re:Sounds like he visited torproject.org recently. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

    ... and they are not going to use it for this kind of case.

    Bomb threat from unknown source? Boston? Possible foreign connections? The NSA is allegedly supposed to be involved in investigation of terror threats. It's the other stuff they're doing that's got people upset.

  41. Re:So, needs another seven proxies? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised he did it from his dorm (if, indeed, he actually did it). I thought the sensible thing was to go down to the local public library and/or coffee shop (without cameras) and do your shit from there.

    Well, assuming that there aren't cameras in the local public library or coffee ship, the challenge is in getting there without showing up on any intermediary cameras.

    That, after all, was one of the first things they scoured after the Marathon bombing.

  42. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that more or less work than actually studying for the exam?

  43. Re:Sounds like he visited torproject.org recently. by AdamColley · · Score: 2

    It's better than it used to be but it's still not going to win any speed awards. Does allow access to sites my arsehole government have blocked though.

    Will only get worse now the great firewall is active (with auto opt-in for new customers), which btw doesn't just censor porn but also 'extreme political speech', I'd like to know who the fuck gets to determine what's extreme politics I can't view or not, personally I think it should be me, the government think otherwise.

  44. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by GTRacer · · Score: 2

    Seven was good enough for Serenity. Oh, and Voldemort.

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  45. No it isn't by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No normal person calls in a bomb threat to get out of a final that will at most just end being delayed.

    That YOU were (and are) an idiot doesn't mean everyone is. If your moronic logic was true, then the phone at your average school would never stop ringing. This guy (and since you clearly identify with him, you) is an asshole who thought nothing of creating a major nuisance for teachers and students because he wanted to get out of an exam. Ten to one you and him are the type who then later grow up... grow older and at the slightest provocation threaten to sue anyone and everyone for any delay or inconvenience.

    It is the eternal excuse of the asshole: Everyone does it.

    Nope.

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    1. Re:No it isn't by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No normal person calls in a bomb threat to get out of a final that will at most just end being delayed.

      Ok, so I was flippant when I said that "everybody" (and by implication, me) does it. Let me assure you that I never did such a thing, nor anybody that I know personally. However, it does happen often enough to be well known that some students do this (and in my town we did indeed have a case where a group of students did it, and they were caught by a phone camera hidden in the payphone booth).

      That YOU were (and are) an idiot doesn't mean everyone is.

      That you are a humourless prick (that can't spot a flippant remark) doesn't mean that everybody else is, either. And now shut up.

  46. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by melikamp · · Score: 2

    Please, don't use Tor to harass and be an asshole. Real freedom fighters need Tor, not you and your lulz.

    Almost everyone needs anonymity, at least some of the time. The more people use Tor (without cheating), the more robust is the network, so your uppity attitude is completely out of place. Tor is for lulz as much as it is for freedom fighting.

  47. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by LF11 · · Score: 2

    College students are allergic to studying. It gives them hives and agida.

  48. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by johnsie · · Score: 2

    Common mistake for people speaking English as a second language. I doubt the AC can speak more than one language, because if he did, he would probably know this ;)

  49. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by rhazz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Except he didn't actually send the bomb threat! He only confessed to that lesser crime because what he was REALLY doing was seeding a pirated release of Gravity, and he knew if the police continued their investigation they might find out and he'd end up in jail for 10 years and have to pay $3 million in fines.

  50. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you weren't ready to make that post, you could've called in a bomb threat.

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  51. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by yoshi_mon · · Score: 2

    I think it is also worth noting that this is coming from Harvard. Not to say that other schools don't have similar issues but my point is that this is a very high end, private, and expensive university. And that that most of the people there are expected, and that is probably putting it lightly, to excel.

    My point is that the higher the stakes the more people tend to be willing to do. Whatever those stakes may be. Be it some personal drive, parental urgings, or whatever. (And I'm talking about people that would otherwise be rational.)

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  52. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    Not sure if this should be troll or insightful. I mean in all seriousness, people who make bomb threats tend to not be the ones capable of carrying out the crime. If you are going to commit a crime, you just do it, you dont go around bragging about it or making threats.

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  53. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by F.Ultra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TOR is not an entity and even if they managed to get hold of the exit node there is no logs left there to point back to the previous node and so on.

  54. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

    Say what? Why not just buy a cheap USB wireless stick (paying cash, of course) and send the message from a car parked outside of Panera Bread (or any other unsecured wireless network) and then throw the stick into the nearest storm drain? The only thing you have to do is use a MAC address not already registered in Harvard's DHCP tables to the student. While a proper geek would then edit the internal logs of the laptop -- a REAL geek on their LINUX (or possibly Mac) laptop where the logs are in straight ASCII and bone simple to edit -- to remove all trace of the DHCP connection and the MAC address of the stick. But even if they didn't do this, the trail ends at Panera, assuming that the student didn't go inside and get his face captured on the store video or the like. They would have to examine the logs of every laptop on campus to find the perp otherwise, and of course they'd never get a judge to agree to that.

    I'm tempted to joke around about how multiply stupid this Harvard kid was compared to Duke kids -- not only failing a course but too stupid to even send in an anonymized bomb threat by email in an untraceable way -- but sadly to my direct experience there are Duke students who are (or have been in the past) just as criminally dumb and this is a real tragedy and not really something to joke over. The poor kid is probably sitting around in a daze trying to figure out how what happened, how he went from being a struggling (but probably really pretty bright) student at one of the best universities in the world to being a plea-bargained felon working off a hundred-thousand dollar fine selling coffee and cleaning toilets at Starbucks with no hope of ever attending anything better than a community college for the rest of his or her life.

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  55. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

    I stand corrected.

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  56. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 2

    Except he sent the email 30 minutes before the exam, because he was desperate at the last minute.

    Also, news at 10pm: Desperation makes teenager do stupid stuff.

  57. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by Stuarticus · · Score: 2

    I'd be very surprised if you could access the wireless network without logging on, WPA Radius would be my suspicion. I guess you could claim someone had stolen your password but still doesn't sound too 1337 to me.

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  58. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

    Duke doesn't require you to authenticate your wireless device every time you connect, and I doubt most other Universities do either. It does require you to register your device MAC address (in an authenticated session). In fact, at this point Duke might require you to register wired addresses as well. Unregistered devices get kicked onto an anonymous network outside of a firewall, so visitors can get internet access without getting a "Duke" IP number. Duke controls its own outgoing PoP, of course, so it effectively logs all connections into and out of the Duke domain. As was pointed out above, this was more than likely the method used to identify the student at Harvard -- simply look for a Harvard IP that connected to a TOR server (and obviously, the toplevel TOR servers HAVE to be publicly known or nobody could connect to them) at the right time. That time AFAICT could not be delayed as some have suggested by TOR itself because TOR doesn't know what you are connecting to and has to treat all connections as though they might be real-time keystrokes. You'd need an anonymous, non-logging mail server with a delay on it on the far side to put any sort of substantial desynchronization between the connection and the mail message -- TOR itself cannot do it unless I'm still in error after reading about its architecture for a while.

    Regardless, anyone even slightly 1337 would have at the very least gone to starbucks or an internet cafe and THEN used Tor, or bought a disposable USB wireless interface and used the anonymous network or (best) both. No possible way the FBI could have backtracked a cash purchased USB stick from a store with no video surveillance used from an alley next to (but not inside) a Panera Bread while wearing a wig and makeup one dons in the restroom of a giant mall connected to TOR, even if the NSA actually "volunteers" most of the toplevel TOR servers and half of the nodes and/or maintains a running map of all of the nodes (which I'm pretty sure they do regardless of how many they actually provide). I mean what's ten or twenty million dollars in hardware to the NSA, if it gives them a chance to monitor most of the traffic through a supposedly secure onion network? In the end, the Internet does not allow one anything like non-subvertable security of connections, only the data content sent over those connections. I doubt that even the NSA is likely to be able to decrypt e.g. 4096-bit key-secured traffic EXCEPT by obtaining the keys.

    rgb

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  59. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by anagama · · Score: 2

    It's really hard to know how universally safe tor is. Maybe it protects you against Chile but not the NSA. Obviously, the Feds have a lot of money and can deploy a lot of tor systems. Shifting the discussion a little bit, from anonymity to privacy, I'm basically skeptical of all technological means at maintaining privacy, for several reasons: 1) it's super easy to screw up and leak information (this bomb hoax being a prime example). 2) Encryption acts more as temporary barrier because inevitably, it is cracked or technology makes brute force trivial (and before someone says "one time pad," figure out how that's going to work for everyday stuff). 3) It leads to rampant paranoia, for example, the people behind tor are probably good privacy minded people and not some NSA pricks -- but I don't know. Not knowing whether a system is safe or not has a chilling effect on free expression. Of course, Greenwald and Snowden suggest tor, but I'm sure that's just one stage of a multilevel system.

    I'm not advocating abandoning encryption etc., but I think that without strong legal protections which make privacy violations a serious crime, even if done by the Feds, we will never really have privacy (which is a necessary component of freedom). Instead, we'll have technological systems that people trust for a time until someone gets burned and then we'll shift to other systems. But that's not a real solution and it will suck mightily for those sacrificial lambs who get roasted.

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  60. Re:"because it originated from the wireless networ by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

    I completely agree. I tend to trust high end encryption because I know something about how difficult the problem of cracking a serious cipher with a large key is -- even brute force attacks simply aren't tenable for the good ones. 4096 bits is 2^4096 approx 10^400 permutations and 100 billion years with every atom in the visible Universe a computer still aren't enough. Of course this time can be substantially reduced if one discovers mathematical weaknesses in the encryption or if people do stupid things, but I think e.g. GPG and SSH are pretty reliable when implemented with large keys provided that you can trust your source for the software. SSL is also probably fine if you can trust your key servers and software. However, what NSA does have in abundance is talented crackers and lots of resources and access to federal warrants and even the freedom to proceed without warrants. The easy way to crack my ssh encrypted channel isn't to do a brute force attack on the data stream, it is to crack any of the systems on which I store public and private keypairs. The easy way to decrypt my gpg encrypted documents no matter how large a key I specify is to crack my system and do any of a dozen things -- monitor my keystrokes and steal my keys, issue a warrant forcing me to give up my keys (so I go to jail on contempt of court to rot forever without a trial if I fail to comply). The latter is what the FBI actually told me that they do in cases where there is probable cause, e.g. kiddy porn cases where somebody has a large encrypted file suspected of containing snuff films involving small children or the like (I've attended security conferences and chatted extensively with FBI'ers attending the same sessions in the past, although I don't mess with security at this level much any more).

    But the only solution to the issue of privacy is to move BACK to this state of affairs. People have to have a real right to presume that their affairs and activities are private with the narrow exception of a search warrant granted on the basis of actual evidence and probable cause, sort of like it says in the constitution and its amendments.

    Of course, we have to be willing to pay the price for this. That means that yeah, criminals and terrorists will succeed in concealing their affairs a lot more often. More of the innocent will die or be hurt in other ways. We cannot insist on having our privacy preserved and then bitch when the outcome of it is that a terrorist succeeds in nuking a city in a case where ignoring the privacy laws might have prevented it.

    An alternative that might almost be more palatable would be to alter the laws to completely eliminate victimless crime and almost all moral crime, and indeed provide citizens with broad rights to completely freely choose their lifestyle and activities without their ability to seek employment or education being threatened. People conceal things that might be damaging, and one of the dangers of a police state is that so many things are illegal that "everybody" commits certain crimes, such as driving over the speed limit, driving with a blood alcohol that is just over the limit, bending things a bit on tax returns, engaging in sexual acts between consenting adults that are still technically against the laws of the state in which they live, smokes pot. This makes everybody vulnerable, and hence controllable. If we could actually trust the police not to abuse their power by eliminating most of the ways they COULD abuse their power, it would be a lot simpler to think about exceptions for exceptional risks.

    Best of all, do both. Strong privacy laws, eliminate moral/victimless non-crimes and indeed establish legal protections for acting as one wishes to act outside of things that directly impact their employment or damage others, and sure, a tight system of well-regulated courts to handle the edge cases expeditiously and with the ability to seal the record of all discovery outside of a narrow window. Sort of like one imagines the framers of the constitution possibly intended. But then, they were all terrorists themselves.

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  61. Re: "because it originated from the wireless netwo by Richy_T · · Score: 2

    You may not want to cause injury or death, which may turn people against you. If you can scare them and make them pressure their leaders to cease the action you disagree with, you might be able to achieve your aims more easily, particularly if your cause is somewhat sympathetic.