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A Short History of Computers In the Movies

Esther Schindler writes "The big screen has always tried to keep step with technology usually unsuccessfully. Peter Salus looks at how the film industry has treated computing. For a long time, the 'product placement' of big iron was limited to a few brands, primarily Burroughs. For instance: 'Batman: The Movie and Fantastic Voyage (both 1966) revert to the archaic Burroughs B205, though Fantastic Voyage also shows an IBM AN/FSQ-7 Combat Direction Central. At 250 tons for each installation (there were about two dozen) the AN/FSQ-7 was the largest computer ever built, with 60,000 vacuum tubes and a requirement of 3 megawatts of power to perform 75,000 ips for regional radar centers. The last IBM AN/FSQ-7, at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, was demolished in February 1984.' Fun reading, I think."

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  1. The Q-7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Am I the only one here who's programmed that beast? Assembly language; Fortran had just been invented. Might fit one into a current Walmart, might not. I recall during our training (LA) we heard of another computer in the city! Had to go talk to those guys across town.

    Still cranking out code, at 84.

    1. Re:The Q-7 by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Am I the only one here who's programmed that beast? Assembly language; Fortran had just been invented. Might fit one into a current Walmart, might not. I recall during our training (LA) we heard of another computer in the city! Had to go talk to those guys across town.

      Still cranking out code, at 84.

      Whoever you are, Slashdot should interview you about your experiences.

    2. Re:The Q-7 by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      I recall during our training (LA) we heard of another computer in the city!

      Colossus: "There is another!"

    3. Re:The Q-7 by NetAlien · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At 18 in 1964, I was just a young guy who programmed the IBM 407 Accounting machine that was also installed with the AN/FSQ-7 in the Canadian underground NORAD headquarters in North Bay, Ontario. The program complexity on those machines was measured by how much the boards weighed. Lots of wires terminated with pins containing tiny metal balls (like hitch pins) to keep the pins from being pushed out when the board was inserted into the 407 to run whatever program its wiring instructed. Diodes were sometimes needed to prevent back-flow (that machine's source of bugs). Spent over 7 years in the "hole" with the huge Q-7. Nostalgia!

    4. Re:The Q-7 by oodaloop · · Score: 2

      FFS no!. We do not need an interview with Anonymous Coward!

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  2. Preventative Maintenance by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First, vacuum tubes lasted much longer than 6 months, Second, that's what PM is for. Preventative Maintenance would have you replacing the tubes before they're reaching EOL, increasing system reliability.

    You just have to accept a few hours of downtime every few months while they swap out thousands of tubes.

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    1. Re:Preventative Maintenance by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've seen old radios and televisions with vacuum tubes at least 35 or 30 years. I remember the television repair man coming into the house to replace a couple when they broke down. It was strange when we got our first solid state TV as they just replaced boards and there was no tubes we could run down to the drug store and get. You used to just look for a glow in the tube when something wasn't working right, if there was no glow, you took it with you and there was a testing machine made by rayovac right in the drugstore that you could test them on and it would cross reference any models to the ones they had in stock.

      I don't know how that compares to the tubes in the computers, but they were surprisingly resilient considering the age of the tech behind them.

    2. Re:Preventative Maintenance by radiumsoup · · Score: 3, Funny

      Vacuum tubes! You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down to the mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt in front of a window so our brothers and sisters would have something to watch.

    3. Re:Preventative Maintenance by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tube computers seldom had tubes fail in operation. Part of daily maintenance was to run the machine on "high margins", with voltages raised about 10%. Half an hour on in that mode would blow out all the tubes near failure. Those were then replaced, and the machine would then operate for the rest of the day without problems. A tech who had worked on UNIVAC I computers once told me they'd never had a tube failure during regular operation.

    4. Re:Preventative Maintenance by NixieBunny · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The other trick was that they always left the filaments burning. The filaments are most likely to fail during warm-up. The failures due to reduced emission were preventable by replacing tubes after x thousand hours.

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    5. Re:Preventative Maintenance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Some tubes could be made to last very long indeed, it was all about getting the cathode pure enough and the inner structure of the tube rugged enough. I give you the Bendix 6900.

      http://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/131/6/6900.pdf

      Enjoy, took me a while to fish up that one...

      Then you add a tube cooler to keep the envelope cool....

      http://www.audiohum.es/WebRoot/acens/Shops/audiohum_es/4CDA/8C25/B57E/99A6/67E7/0A01/006A/BCCA/2060100002.jpg

      They put tubes under the ocean on trans-Atlantic cable repeaters, they had to be reliable.

      Although I can't prove it, I'm pretty sure the Voyager probes use ceramic planar triodes (GE Y-1171) as their output tubes, the things that generate the radio waves beamed back to us.

      And last but not least, in WWII they invented electronic proximity fuzes... You guessed it, vacuum tubes. They didn't last too long (boom), but they managed to survive the 100000G acceleration out of a cannon and the 20000RPM that goes with it.

    6. Re:Preventative Maintenance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      if there was no glow, you took it with you and there was a testing machine made by rayovac right in the drugstore

      I also remember that from my early childhood in the 70s. In the mid-90s, there was an old tube radio left in our house and I was sort of interested in fixing it up. We found a store in Charlottesville, VA that stocked tubes and yep, they had a tester. That brought back some memories. I never got around to fixing the radio or even acquiring it from the landlord. Right around the time I left, the store with the tubes burned down. The stupid TV news people even mentioned the tubes, so it must have been a well known thing. I mean, that place had virgin tubes in antique-looking cardboard boxes... I bet most of that stuff would have lit just fine. I bet every old gear fanatic in town shed a tear that night.

  3. Starring the Computer by LaughingRadish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's something nice: http://starringthecomputer.com/. Various sightings of various computers in movies along with ratings of importance, realism, and visibility.

  4. Colossus: The Forbin Project by FairAndUnbalanced · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think there's a ton of CDC equipment in Collosus: The Forbin Project. It has a fairly standard "computer takes over the world" plot line but is a bit of fun as well.

    Note the movie trivia entry at this IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064177/trivia

    "When the executives at Control Data Corporation found out that Universal was planning a major movie featuring a computer, they saw their chance for some public exposure, and they agreed to supply, free of charge, $4.8 million worth of computer equipment and the technicians to oversee its use. Each piece of equipment carried the CDC name in a prominent location. Since they were using real computers - not just big boxes with a lot of flashing lights - the sound stage underwent extensive modifications: seven gas heaters and five specially-constructed dehumidifiers kept any dampness away from the computers, a climate control system maintained the air around the computers at an even temperature, and the equipment was covered up at all times except when actually on camera. Brink's guards were always present on the set, even at night. The studio technicians were not allowed to smoke or drink coffee anywhere near the computers."

  5. Totally missed memorable computers of the 80s by Mr+Z · · Score: 2

    Where was WarGames, Weird Science, TRON, Electric Dreams, etc.? Who gives a crap about a Vaio showing up in The Pink Panther 2. (Oh, and that's Steve Martin. Who's Steve Allen?)

    1. Re:Totally missed memorable computers of the 80s by dwillden · · Score: 2

      In fact the article simply jumps from 1980 to mention OS/2 in 1995 and then again to 1999 with no explanation, skipping generations of computers in the movies.

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    2. Re:Totally missed memorable computers of the 80s by Mr+Z · · Score: 2

      I did see a mention of a Commodore 64 and an Amiga in there... but still, yeah, the 80s "didn't happen" for computers. It was mostly Burroughs and other big iron, a quick nod to the 80s, and suddenly it's all Vaios and Macs. WTF?

  6. AN/FSQ-7 forever! by Animats · · Score: 2

    Some of the the AN/FSQ-7 consoles keep showing up in movies because they're available for rental at Woody's Props in LA.

    Those aren't even the control panels for the computer. Those are just the modems and serial ports. Here are the much larger AN/FSQ-7 maintenance control panels.

    Those are just the control panels. Here's the CPU, with all the racks of tubes. Full-sized 12AX7 tubes (still used in some guitar amps), not even minature tubes.

  7. Re:Unix command line in Tron Legacy by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Informative

    That was an Unix system. More precisely, it was Silicon Graphics' IRIX with the fsn file viewer.

  8. Re:Unix command line in Tron Legacy by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    It actually was a Unix system, SGI's FSN, you can check it out.

    Compare with the movie here.

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  9. Re:TV Repair by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Informative

    going from ~12 tubes to 60k

    They used tricks, like reducing the filament voltage, to improve tube life. Nevertheless it was a problem, and I think these new solid state models show promise.

  10. Misses The Italian Job! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone remembers the Minis, but the true geeks remember Benny Hill playing one of the cinema's first computer hackers.

    1. Re:Misses The Italian Job! by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Professor Simon Peach: Are they big? I like 'em big!

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  11. Movie of the AN/USQ-7 in action by ebob · · Score: 2

    The SAGE computer (AN/USQ-7) was truly mind blowing in scope. IBM produced a very cool movie of the system in operation in 1956 (along with some great cold war propaganda) that is a wonderful time capsule to boot. It shows a scale model of the building that housed the system to allow pointing out where all the pieces were located. My father spent some time as an operator of the huge display scopes at the McChord AFB installation.

    Movie here: https://archive.org/details/0772_On_Guard_The_Story_of_SAGE_18_48_05_00

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  12. Re:No, the reading was boring. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Demon seed ... say hi.

    Is that what it was trying to do? Something of a communication gap there.

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  13. Re:Macs, not just for product placement by anubi · · Score: 2

    I wonder if IMSAI 8080 paid for placement in WarGames?

    They were not a big name by all means. I still have the IMSAI I put together from a kit sold out of San Leandro, California. I thought it was such a cool little machine.

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  14. Prime Computers - The Choice of The Doctor! by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check out these old buggers, and the ads featuring Tom Baker, the legendary 4th Doctor Who.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSRC0S7pls8

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  15. Re:Unix command line in Tron Legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was provided as a demonstration of IRIX capability...

    I've used it briefly - doing an ls was faster... Even in the movie it was slow.

    It was part of a rather wide experiment in different ways to show a filesystem characteristics...

    Not shown very well in the movie, it used blocks of different sizes to illustrate the number of files in the directory. Opening a "building"/directory drew a new scene with the contents of the directory and file size characteristics to select new blocks. Links in the diretory shown as lines. As I recall, only two levels were ever shown at a time The current directory as the central square, lines connecting building on the square would connect to the next level square. Browsing was done by rotating the scene/moving in/out and selecting a block to enter.

    It worked, but was inherently slow.

  16. What!? No mention of War Games! by blahbooboo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For kids of the 1980s this movie was first exposure towards the medium. Additionally it heralded the dawn of the hacker and government misunderstanding of the hacker capabilities -- specifically some of the problems Kevin Mitnick faced. Really surprised it wasn't mentioned.

    1. Re:What!? No mention of War Games! by uptownjimmy1 · · Score: 2

      Exactly. It looked so exotic at the time, but these days watching Matthew Broderick cradle that phone receiver in the IMSAI "acoustic coupler" while Ally Sheedy looks cute over his shoulder seems so...sweet...

  17. Seconded by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of people in programming think its purely a young mans game. That may have been true in the 60s and 70s but its not any longer. That old guy (or gal) you see shuffling down the street may have once coded up some pretty neat algorithm that helped fly your plane or did your banking or controlled the fuel injection on your car in the 80s. It would be nice to have an article about retired coders, what they did and their opinions of the dev world now. And whether vi is better than emacs ;o) No, scrap that last idea...

    1. Re:Seconded by Minwee · · Score: 2

      Older people also know that the correct response to "It's crunch time so I'm gonna need you to go ahead and stay until eleven PM, and then go ahead and come in on Saturday and Sunday too, kay" is "Go stick your head in a pig"

      That's why you don't see as many of them working for the more, um, "notable" employers.

  18. Re:Reel-to-real by smpoole7 · · Score: 2

    > If an average vacuum tube lasted 6 months

    This is a common misunderstanding about reliability, whether talking about solid-state or tubes. In fact, any manufacturer worth his/her salt can predict, with surprisingly accuracy, the number of failures over time -- say, 1% in the first month, 10% by the end of the first year, and so on. How they do this is fascinating to those who are interested.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_assurance

    Thus, you can buy electronics, made in the same factory, by the same people, but one branded "Sharp" and the other with an off-brand name -- identical units -- but one has a 90-day warranty, while the other is 1 year. The latter will probably cost more because ('ere's the secret) the cost of the warranty is factored into the price of the unit. (Moral: a longer warranty does NOT necessarily mean a better-built device. Another secret that "They" won't tell you.) :)

    In this case:

    1. You test each tube thoroughly before it's even approved for use in the computer. (This testing is one reason why "mil-spec" components cost so much.)

    2. Since each tube is about the same age when the computer is first built, there will be a *window* when you expect to begin having cascade failures. You schedule PM (i.e., tube replacement) to occur *before* that window. For each of those 60,000 tubes, there's a replacement log.

    This is a great example of how statistics can mislead. When the first really big computers were proposed, there were indeed some who argued that they'd never work, because with 10,000's of tubes, they'd be constantly breaking down. But real-life proved them wrong, thankfully.

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