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Apple Again Seeks Ban On 20+ Samsung Devices In US
An anonymous reader notes that Apple has renewed its patent attack against Samsung, asking U.S. District Court Judge Lucy Koh to prohibit Samsung from selling over 20 different phones and tablets. Apple made a similar request after it won a $1 billion judgment in 2012, but Koh did not allow it. An Appeals court later ruled that Apple could resubmit its request if it focused on the specific features at the center of the 2012 verdict, and that's what we're seeing today. Apple's filing said, "Samsung’s claim that it has discontinued selling the particular models found to infringe or design around Apple's patents in no way diminishes Apple’s need for injunctive relief. ... Because Samsung frequently brings new products to market, an injunction is important to providing Apple the relief it needs to combat any future infringement by Samsung through products not more than colorably different from those already found to infringe."
Competition is good for the market place. Apple is already doing well enough; no need to do them any favors.
Apple is a terrorist asking for the suspension of basic civil liberties just to suit their own bottom line. If there are other devices that "infringe on their rights", they need to go through the complete process to ban those. They should not get a free pass on due process. If they want to be anti-competitive jackasses, they need to follow the rule of law while doing it.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Apple want an injunction to ban the import of future devices that the court hasn't found to be infringing?
How does that work ?
Just stop selling electronics to the US. Prohibit all export from Asia. The dollar won't be worth anything soon anyway and the US will never pay back is debts. Don't do business with dishonest people.
They aren't all "current-gen" devices. In fact, a number of the devices that are to be banned are not even sold anymore.
How about we let the market decide instead of lawyers?
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LOL. This from a company that uses rounded corners as a patentable way to differentiate themselves from the rest of the market. By that light, being a different color sounds like "innovation" to me ;)
I think you're misunderstanding why this is done this way.
You have multiple devices partly due to having multiple, mutually exclusive carriers.
In addition, you may have a couple tiers of products, as not everyone is going to go for the Uber-'spensive top end device.
Their approach allows them to hit multiple carriers at multiple price points.
On top of that, having multiple offerings means they have a better chance of finding the devices people want and then slimming down their offering portfolio later, as they refine the devices that people are buying and abandon the ones that don't sell and finding a way to roll any possible unique/desirable features down into other devices.
Apple gets away with "You will fit your lifestyle to what we offer you. And LIKE IT!". They get away with it because they're Apple and people know that they're expected to put up with Apple's crazy bullshit for "teh schmexy".
For people who refuse to be cookie cutter'ed (see "sane people"), there's a plethora of choices and you can pick the one that intersects someplace acceptable along your "needs" and "budget limits" lines.
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Great. Another attempt by Apple to squash Samsung. What is this? Their third time? I lost count.
You know, you are making it increasingly difficult to like you Apple.
Poor Apple. They just can't compete in a market that doesn't care about status symbols as much as basic functionality. Their only recourse, rather than making better products, is to keep others from making them, thus forcing users to pay more for less. So much for that little company seeing themselves as heros fighting against Big Brother in television ads, you're just another bully fighting over the mass market carcass now. You've fallen so far you're making Samsung look like David.
If we had the same crazy patent environment when cars were being developed, every car would have a different way to control it. Patents should protect true invention for a relatively short period of time to allow the inventor to capitalize on his work. Now they are just barriers to keep the markets closed. Big companies cross license patents to keep their monopolies.
This "is a matter of law" only when law is on Apple's side. When Samsung got some of their devices blocked at ITC, they just came to Obama crying and Obama administration overturned ruling by decree. For me it's plain corruption, not a matter of law. Apple is a parasite who abuses laws when it suits them and using political connections to ignore laws when it works against them.
As you can see, we feel our competition should be banned from competing. Oh no? Well hey we had to try.
A lot of these devices are older and not even sold anymore. There are also a lot already on the street. If Apple really wants these evil patent infringing devices off of the street, then they should offer an official free trade in program. Perhaps at least people with the older phones would take advantage, and then only if it doesn't reset their upgrade cycle.
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I am not going to buy another piece of Apple equipment and last year I declared my very .. I guess I was that
own personal import ban on these products. The reasons for the ban is poor over-all
durability of anything Apple merchandise, the inability of Apple to patch their broken graphics
driver on my previous then still under-warranty(!) Macbook Pro. the fact that they are moving
OSX towards a mandatory App store and their totally over the top pricing. I'm typing on my
last macbook air here ever... and it's a $1200 value that sold for $2200
stupid once, but not anymore.
Because that would be a free market approach, and my fellow Americans do not like the free market.
How about Apple just cut their stock price in half right now and skip the whole legal battle. Then they can focus on shooting themselves in the foot, making their products worse, and pissing off their customers.
the fact that they are moving
OSX towards a mandatory App store
All they did, a few versions ago, is allow developers to sign apps, and distribute through the app store - they have made ZERO moves since then towards a "mandatory" app store.
If you think allowing developers to sign applications and having the OS ask before running anything unsigned (note that does NOT mean from the app store) is bad then you have not seen the average person's computer.
and their totally over the top pricing.
You mean like pricing a Mac Pro $2k less than you can buy the individual parts for it?
I'm typing on my
last macbook air here ever... and it's a $1200 value that sold for $2200
And how much do you think a PC is worth after a year?
Good luck with the switch but the grass is pretty much DEAD on the other side of the lawn.
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Do the world some good, next time, target the U.S. Patent Office, Mosanto, and the Federal Reserve.
It'll be extremely awkward, we'll find it so hard to hate you. It'll be like the time the KKK counter-protested Westboro Baptists leaving us all going WTF, how did we wind up on the same side of the line as those !@#$s
The Judge should rule, not only against Samsung, but every other device manufacturer. The end result, since all fucking phones are squar'ish. All smartphones by all manufacturers will be banned. Apple will be the sole seller of smartphones in the U.S.
Then, we turn around, sued Apple for a monopoly and break it into 20 separate companies that will spend the next 50 years reunifying.
This sort of news *really* makes me miss PJ of Groklaw fame :-( - I have no doubt she could provide good insights and interpretations of what goes on...
The US (327,577,529) is such a small market compared to China (1,206,553,000) and India (867,800,000). Unless Apple has such a markup to US customers in comparison to the rest of the world (where it sells), it would make little sense to block competition from the US market.
Not this shit again....
I suspect most of these bans will be put in place. The hammer has started coming down on foreign tech, because U.S gov wants that flow of money into its own economy. U.S gov will leverage its power for the wider adoption of U.S based products and services both inside and outside of the U.S. The goal is to control and own as much of the global money flow as possible. The trans-Atlantic and trans-Pacific "partnerships" only aim to increase the strength and market share of U.S based companies, services and products, and through its companies the U.S gov can leverage its politics. The ultimate is when U.S gov through Monsanto (which through the Monsanto Protection Act has now effectively become an extension of the government) can control the production and supply of food to any country in the world as a means of political control.
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Because under that principle, the company that actually spends on research and development loses. Companies that are the engineering equivalent of a photocopier would have much less expense, and would be able to sell their equal product for cheaper than the ones that actually develop the technology to begin with.
A more nuanced approach is necessary.
Software patents stifle innovation, because I go to all the trouble to create some new software from scratch, and then some greedy shyster walks up and demands I pay money to him. Even though he never created anything. He just patented a list of buzzwords describing some idea he claims to have had, but never implemented.
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> Start simplifying your fucking product portfolio instead of having this dumb-ass shotgun approach to the market.
Spoken like a true Apple employee who prays daily to the statue of St. Stephen the Omniscient, under the watchful gaze of St. Jonathan the Enforcer. "If our product doesn't satisfy your needs precisely, you've mis-identified your needs and should re-evaluate them until they align with our product."
Apple invests a few bucks in some lawyers and government lobbyists and in return they get an army of police to do their dirty work at a fraction of the cost. If Apple had to hire it's own police and equip them with guns to enforce such ridiculous demands, their products would be twice as expensive and no one would buy them. The government is a weapon with a great bang for the buck.
The best way to fight a corporation is with another corporation. Letting your enemies fight amongst themselves until they're both weakened before going in for the kill is an effective military strategy that ironically governments don't use in business. Governments should let corporations fight amongst themselves on price and quality and let consumers reap the benefits.
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They both admitted to stealing most of everything in the lawsuit from Motorola...... They should both just drop it. It is clearly obvious to anyone who see's the lawsuits thrown around that the United States tends to side with apple on most sides..... and yet when the same claims go into European courts they side with Samsung.... funny how that all works isn't it? Honestly Apple needs to stop being dumb ..... the day I saw them try to Patent a shape is the day they lost all credibility to me.
Fire all the engineers and make Apple a patent troll!
FRAND means that the fees should be the same for others.
Since the costs can be defrayed by exchange rather than merely a payment (remember: cash payment is not the only injunvtive relief allowed in any contract), the fact that Apple have no relevant or worthy patents to pass on in payment means they pay the same price as any box shifter would pay.
Your assertion is only based on Apple's complaint, and ignorant of every fact other than that.
Apple did. They brought in a new claim late that Samsung had, because it never knew it should defend itself from the claim, never brought evidence to counter.
And then Samsung has rights to bring forward evidence and beat that deadline.
The actual situation is that Samsung phones have become the status symbols now, and iPhones are seen as losers. (Just ask most college aged kids in the US)
The lawsuit by Apple to ban future Samsung devices seems to validate this.
Let them litigate for what crumbs they can get. Jobs is dead and they have nothing at this point. Android is crushing them and the Chinese and Indian markets will finish them off. The only things I thank Jobs for is bringing capacitive touchscreens to market and motivating Gates to rip him off. B-B-But Apple just works...yeah, stay retard.
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I'd be very interested to know what specific part of the parent comment qualifies it for a -1 flame bail mod.
Quotes are appreciated.