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Public Domain Day 2014

An anonymous reader writes "What could have been entering the public domain in the US on January 1, 2014? Under the law that existed until 1978.... Works from 1957. The books On The Road, Atlas Shrugged, Empire of the Atom, and The Cat in the Hat, the films The Incredible Shrinking Man, The Bridge on the River Kwai, and 12 Angry Men, the article "Theory of Superconductivity," the songs "All Shook Up" and "Great Balls of Fire," and more.... What is entering the public domain this January 1? Not a single published work."

225 comments

  1. It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    See, if those works had entered the public domain, the private owners would never profit off of them.

    And that's very important you know. Look how much money that Atlas Shrugged movie made for Ayn Rand!

    1. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please take your Socialist bullshit somewhere else. Without Atlas Shrugged, we would not have nearly the same amount of stiff resistance to the current administrations redistributionist anti-business agenda.

    2. Re:It's for the best by zlives · · Score: 1

      +5 funny

    3. Re:It's for the best by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      Ayn Rand is dead, so why the need for continued copyright on the book?

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    4. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Please take your Socialist bullshit somewhere else. Without Atlas Shrugged, we would not have nearly the same amount of stiff resistance to the current administrations redistributionist anti-business agenda.

      Please take your Capitalist bullshit and go elsewhere.

      Just because people believe in Ayn Rand doesn't make what she said true. Much like disbelieving in evolution doesn't make it not true.

      Ayn Rand was full of shit, and is uncritically followed by drooling idiots who worship it as if it were holy writ -- and they treat it as dogma and defend it with as much irrational zeal as people do when you tell them their god is false.

      Adherents of Ayn Rand are essentially economic terrorists who would destroy the world around them so their utopian fantasy would arise. In that regards, there's no difference between them and the most viscious of Communists.

      Fuck Ayn Rand and her followers -- because they're all just drooling idiots who have found a different sort of religion.

    5. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the same reason God need a space ship.

    6. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If she's dead, then how did she make money off the movie based on her book?

    7. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ayn Rand is dead, so why the need for continued copyright on the book?

      Because John Galt may still be alive.

    8. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ayn Rand is dead, so why the need for continued copyright on the book?"

      Because John Galt may still be alive.

      Let him write his own damned book.

    9. Re:It's for the best by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      Or a 4x4









      (There's one scene where you can spot a set of 4x4 tracks off in the distance in that ST movie. One of the guys in the old BBS scene used "Why does God need a 4x4?" for his tagline for a while as a result. Ahh the good old days...)

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    10. Re:It's for the best by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      See, if those works had entered the public domain, the private owners would never profit off of them.

      I think the AC is going for "funny" but nobody OWNS a writing or a song or image. I don't own Nobots, I merely have a "limited" (for bizarre values of "limited") time monopoly.

      I control its publication, but I don't own it. Nobody does and nobody should.

    11. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was his point.

    12. Re:It's for the best by TheloniousToady · · Score: 2

      Reports of her death have been greatly exaggerated.

      (The original Twain quote probably is still under copyright, but that was "fair use", wasn't it?)

    13. Re:It's for the best by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      If Ayn Rand is still copyrighted, Rand Paul needs to change his first name.

      But wasn't there a band in the 80's named D'rand D'rand . . . ?

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    14. Re:It's for the best by AdamColley · · Score: 1

      Who is John Galt?

    15. Re:It's for the best by alexander_686 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I will bite. A fixed term for copyright is best.

      Copyright gives value to a work, value dictates price, and price allocates scarce resources. If copyright expired with the death of the author, works made by people who die tragically young are worth less than those who just keep on going. Works written by older people – who have less life – are worth less than younger people.

      There are older folks that I want to hear more of. There are older folks living off a one hit wonder from 50 years ago. This seems to me arbitrary and capricious. The value of a work should not be swayed by how much life is left in the author.

    16. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never read any of her works, have you.

    17. Re:It's for the best by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It's also bigoted to have life based terms. Any factor that has you living longer than other people on average, gender, ethnicity, social class, a number of medical conditions, even being right handed, creates further arbitrary bias.

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    18. Re:It's for the best by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      If Ayn Rand is still copyrighted, Rand Paul needs to change his first name.

      Nah, Rand Paul is (unintentional) parody and therefore Fair Use. ; )

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    19. Re:It's for the best by fido_dogstoyevsky · · Score: 1

      Who is John Galt?

      Keyser Soze's equally well known second cousin.

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    20. Re:It's for the best by operagost · · Score: 1

      IF "Rand" was anything, it would be a trademark, not something copyrightable.

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    21. Re:It's for the best by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Also people might be encouraged to murder authors of best selling novels to get their books for free

    22. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Bible is in the public domain.

    23. Re:It's for the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THINK OF THE CHILDR-I mean, publishers! How will they continue to rip off authors, musicians, artists, and other creative types if all their legally enslaved "content providers" can have their works become public domain after their death?!

      How DARE you!

  2. The Cat in the Hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Disney didn't push through another copyright extension, Audrey Geisel just might.

  3. Would it matter? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IIRC, U.S. courts recently decided that public-domain works could have their copyrights reinstated post facto.

    If anything from Disney did ever accidentally enter the public domain, Congress would fix that in short order.

    1. Re:Would it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think that this is correct. I definitely couldn't find anything out there about it happening in the US. EU it seems this is the case though.

      And every so often there's something that slips through the cracks. It's not often, but it happens sometimes (the one I always remember is "Charade" (1963) which entered the public domain because Universal messed up their copyright notice for the film).

    2. Re:Would it matter? by Antipater · · Score: 2

      I believe he was referencing this recent story about the digitized copies of public-domain works being copyrighted by the digitizer.

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    3. Re:Would it matter? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      That's not the same thing. It's a physical exclusivity agreement and does not use Copyright law. They're restricting physical access to the works for 10 years, not a copyright. If you already had a copy of a document in their archive it will still be in the Public Domain and you can do whatever you want with it. I agree that it's a pretty shitty situation for the public, but it's not a case of copyright being reasserted ex post facto. At least it's only for a decade and they're going to digitize all of the works so they can be backed up indefinitely. I would have been happier if someone like Archive.org had gotten this project, but you can't win every time.

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    4. Re:Would it matter? by compro01 · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Would it matter? by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      IIRC, I think 1 or 2 books or cartons slipped made it through the cracks back in the 70s. Disney and the publishers had a discussion where Disney mentioned that they still owned the trademark on Mickey. Cash was exchanged, the old books pulped, and new books were issued without Disney or Mickey on the covers.

  4. TSC download available right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just downloaded Theory of Superconductivity from the APS website.

    "Theory of Superconductivity"
    http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v108/i5/p1175_1

    1. Re:TSC download available right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But you'd still have to pay for the movie rights!

  5. Atlas Shrugged. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we take away all the excessive copyright time spans assigned to new works, and tack them on the end of Atlas Shrugged's?

    It would satisfy her disciples' hilarious beliefs for her descendants to collect royalties from this toilet paper until the end of time, while creative people would benefit from a return to sane copy right law.

  6. Sherlock Holmes by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, Sherlock Holmes is finally in the public domain. It took a court order to shake it loose, though.

    http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-new-sherlock-holmes-copyright-20131230,0,5610784.story

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    1. Re:Sherlock Holmes by alen · · Score: 1

      the latest 10 SH stories aren't in the public domain, only the earlier ones are

    2. Re:Sherlock Holmes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sherlock Holmes, the character, is finally in the public domain. But there's still a few stories still copyrighted and further any stories derived from them would be copyrighted as well. It's only through the sheer insanity of it that it took this long--and a court battle--to recognize that, yes, if a story goes into the public domain, then so do its characters (which of course means any characters in the last 10 stories would still be copyrighted). Of course, the very idea of copyrighting a character is absurd.

      But, then characters aren't precisely copyrighted. If they were, then the court battle would have been so obviously futile it would likely not have occurred. Yet creating works using a character from a copyrighted work may make it a derivative work of the copyrighted work even though the only similarity is the character. Isn't that wonderfully absurd?

      One could argue that Sherlock Holmes and other characters like him make the story so it's enough reason to argue that there's something substantial in the derivative claim. One could also point out that if you named the character Herlock Sholmes, you'd probably be in the clear. Plenty of archetype fictional detectives started out as little more than renamed Holmeses. And if you want to make a name for yourself, you shouldn't be so derivative to call upon the name of another to support you, right?

      But then you have to ask yourself if the point of copyright is to prevent the wholesale whoredom of a character by other authors. The answer is, no. If that were the case, copyright would have been written a lot different. If it progresses the arts and sciences to project Holmes as a homicidal robot, then copyright should be all for it. There's also the clear point that if we accept the idea of what whoredom means in the context, we're left to point out that what we're really concerned about is the trademark of the term and its use by its author, which boils down to some sort of fraud protection and if anything would preclude the "reimaging" that happens when an author dies and his/her heirs decide to sell out--look no further than Holmes for that.

      So, we're really left with the point that Twain pointed out so well, it's all about the money and trying to maximize the author getting it over the publisher: ie, it's merely the point that when a copyright term ends book prices don't inherently drop on the book and publishers effectively get what would have been the authors royalty. Well, today the general public is often the publisher as much as anyone else. And the only advantage one gets for not having or simply ignoring the copyright is to further spread ideas.

      In short, on its face, copyright has become the beast that enriches the publishers and does even less for authors intent on spreading their ideas. But, then, perhaps like Twain it was almost always about the money. The man who took out so many loans on such a presumption of his own prominence that he was forced to go on traveling lecture tours, which he despised, to cover his lust for luxury. Perhaps Twain and other authors problem was never not getting enough of a cut from their publisher.

      Perhaps it was the point that authors too often want to live like rock stars. Well, most rock stars are hasbeens in record time and rarely contribute much to society except some fleeting joy. But, then so does cotton candy. The wise ones recognize that as much as the system is tilted in favor of publishers, its also precisely because they're more than happen to fulfill the rock stars dreams and be paid to do it out of the rock stars' pockets. There's room for good authors to find the more dependable routes and make a decent living--or close enough, which one can't expect much more of in any career--even in a realm of virtually no copyright (I'd say absolutely no, but there's at least some room to negotiate on a compromise of a few years).

      Of course, if we started doing that, we'd have a non-transferable, finite, and specifically focused copyright that likely allowe

  7. it keeps us safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least we are safe from a bunch of pseudo-libertarian amateur filmmakers creating their own personal "Atlas Shrugged" movies.

    1. Re:it keeps us safe by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Yes, we must leave this to the professional film makers who absolutely did not release two nearly unwatchable Atlas Shrugged movies already...

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    2. Re:it keeps us safe by crunchygranola · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, we must leave this to the professional film makers who absolutely did not release two nearly unwatchable Atlas Shrugged movies already...

      They are simply being true to their source material. An unreadable book should translate to an unwatchable movie.

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    3. Re:it keeps us safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have found that those most critical of Ayn Rand, and Atlas Shrugged in particular, have typically never read it. While it's a mildly interesting dystopian future novel, I've never fully understood either the praise or criticism it receives. For example you call it "unreadable", but I found it quite readable. It needed a better editor to trim out the fat, but you could say that about any James Michener novel as well. Her characters are one dimensional, especially the antagonists of the novel. That is probably my biggest gripe. Meanwhile some people seem to treat it like the Bible or similar. I read it once, and that was enough for me. I don't take my political ideology from novelists. I certainly don't pick and choose my reading material based on the ravings of left wing and right wing lunatics. So I can't understand how it is so influential, unless those who criticize it fear what it represents, and those who praise it can't think for themselves.

    4. Re:it keeps us safe by jandrese · · Score: 1

      50 page monologues are what make the book unreadable. The terrible characterization is just a cherry on top.

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    5. Re:it keeps us safe by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      When something scares you it can not be just in your opinion wrong. It must be evil incarnate. You can not just disagree with the premise but the words themselves must be wiped from history.

      I have read the book and watched both movies. I believe that Ayn Rand was wrong and right. Pure 100 percent capitalism is not a wonder drug. But regulations are wielded by the politically connected to the detriment of innovation on a fairly constant basis. When you do to much for the lazy at the expense of the drivers of the economy bad things will happen. When you penalize an action you reduce it. When you reward a thing it increases.

      This is why you must have a limit on how long unemployment benefits can last. If you made it able to last forever you will encourage some to stay longer. The perfect length of unemployment insurance is (at least be me) unknown. But we have one group of people that think it is evil for even a week. We have another that cries "Unfeeling bastard!" if you even think of not extending it each time it runs out for a person.

      What needs to happen though is that words like mine are dangerous so they must be attacked. The funny thing is that the idiots that believe that capitalism must me 100% unchecked will at least let me have my opinion. Those that think there must be a permanent net installed for any potential failure of any individual will do their best to mock, marginalize and bully it out of existence.

      The same people I believe that "Will not tollerate!" those who do not fully accept someone else s choices in life.

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    6. Re:it keeps us safe by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Her characters are one dimensional, especially the antagonists of the novel.

      She was a Russian writer. Characters are meant to illustrate IDEAS, not be "real people".

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    7. Re:it keeps us safe by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      I have found that those most critical of Ayn Rand, and Atlas Shrugged in particular, have typically never read it...

      Really? How did you determine that? Or are you just assuming?

      It is probably accurate to say the those most critical of Ayn Rand, and Atlas Shrugged in particular, have typically never finished it. I fall into that category. I got 10% of the way through, is that not enough punishment? It is one of the longest novels ever published by a regular publisher in English (perhaps the fifth longest) with 645,000 words (and fewer than 100 characters), about 80,000 more than War and Peace (which I had no trouble finishing) covers 8 years of history and has over 500 characters. "Long winded" does not begin to do Atlas Shrugged justice.

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    8. Re:it keeps us safe by operagost · · Score: 1

      Agreed. See Solzhenitsyn's characters, for example. They tell us what their feelings are, but it's detached, as if they're explaining what our motivation would be if we were going to act out their life in a play. It's fine if you don't like it (and it does make for a very heavy read), but if you dismiss the style be prepared to dismiss the works of an entire nation of people.

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    9. Re:it keeps us safe by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Just to expand on this point, each character in Atlas Shrugged illustrates a specific flaw, especially Dagny Taggart and Hank Rearden, or virtue. Perhaps a better writer could have included more characterization to add to that but I have difficulty finding fault with keeping it simple in the interest of preventing confusion.

      Usually I find that the people who do not like the book also missed the point. Dagny and Rearden were the main antagonists.

    10. Re:it keeps us safe by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Ayn Rand is popular and controversial because she is simultaneously both right and horribly wrong.

      She is right in observing that a society must have more net producers than consumers, otherwise it will collapse. This is the point her fans latch onto most deeply, because it's the first time they've ever thought of something like that.

      She is wrong in asserting that you can't help a brother out. She thinks it's a mistake to help people get back up once they are down. This is the part her opponents tend to focus on.

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    11. Re:it keeps us safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need to read a work to criticize it's asshole followers. Have you read all of Mein Kamph? Besides being a boring repetitave slog, the followers were genocidal cocksuckers. Much like YOU! Die faggot, DIE!

    12. Re:it keeps us safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have found that those most critical of Ayn Rand, and Atlas Shrugged in particular, have typically never read it. While it's a mildly interesting dystopian future novel, I've never fully understood either the praise or criticism it receives. For example you call it "unreadable", but I found it quite readable. It needed a better editor to trim out the fat ...

      Oddly, if you read _At Random_, Bennet Cerf's autobiography, you'll see the editor DID
      ask for some trimming. The author did not comply. Her reply was to the effect of
      "Would you edit the Bible?"

      I found this somewhat ironic; the Diet of Worms did, indeed, edit the Bible, as did earlier
      and later agencies.

  8. News Alert! Sonny Bono is dead! by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    He's buried here..

    You can go and hire Ms. Cleo and do a seance and complain to him since he sponsored the legislation.

     

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  9. Come on, do you really want stuff like this? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The books On The Road, Atlas Shrugged, ..., and The Cat in the Hat, the films The Incredible Shrinking Man

    "Hurry!" Dagny Taggart moaned. "Before he gets any smaller!"

    The strange cat in the hat grabbed the incredible shrinking man, who struggled mightily, but, being the size of a Barbie doll, could put up little resistance. "I'm gay, don't do this to me!"

    "Tough shit, little man! I know it is wet and the sun is not sunny, but we can have lots of good fun that is funny.” He took him and and slowly eased him feet first up ins

    GOD DAMN IT, this stuff is not public domain. Nevermind.

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    1. Re:Come on, do you really want stuff like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't ever search for 'Star Trek' themed porn. It's all gay porn. 'Set phasers on lube captain...'

  10. So who's got a torrent? by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It may still be illegal to download these things, but it's now much more difficult to argue that it's unethical to do so. Distributing these works should be considered an act of civil disobedience.

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    1. Re:So who's got a torrent? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At least for Christians, it may be unethical to ignore bad copyright rules. In the Christian New Testament, St. Peter's first letter contains this passage:

      "Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor."

      A noteworthy thing here is that the letter carves out no exception regarding stupidly justified laws. (There are plenty of other places in the Bible that make it clear that it's okay for followers of God to disobey evil laws, however.)

    2. Re:So who's got a torrent? by fermion · · Score: 2
      I argue that these less liberal copyright laws, along with changes in technology, are really the reason why kids today have little respect for copyright law. Some argue that the ability to sell ones work is an basic right, but really it is something we set in law to help and encourage creation of derivative works, as something that is completely new is quite rare. A compromise between a reality where things are chopped and screwed to maximize creation and where a producer can exclusively benefit economically for a short period of time, thus reducing the creation of works.

      The developed western world is not going to be able to compete with these draconian copyright laws. Places like China are soon going to be a major competitor. Having things copyrighted in perpetuity provides not benefits for a nation, only for a select few who think they are above the nation. And at some point the cost of enforcing the law on mickey mouse is going to be so great that it will fall, just like the current war on drugs.

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    3. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nobody gives a damn what god has to say on the topic of copyright.

      The creation myths in the bible were cribbed from the Babylonians, and the rest is just the collected works of a bunch of old men who wanted to control the masses.

      You're essentially citing fairy tales as a basis for modern law.

      Get over it.

    4. Re:So who's got a torrent? by DutchUncle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you just violate copyright on the Bible??????

    5. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A noteworthy thing here is that the letter carves out no exception regarding stupidly justified laws. (There are plenty of other places in the Bible that make it clear that it's okay for followers of God to disobey evil laws, however.)

      I can't think of anything more evil than copyright laws.

      Christianity for the win!

    6. Re:So who's got a torrent? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No. The Constitution clearly states the reason for patent and copyright (to get people to produce more works for the public domain) and states "for limited times". a lifetime plus 95 years is in no way limited, and there's no way to convince Jimi Hendrix to make any more music.

      The Constitution is the law of the land and the Bono Act breaks that law (yes, I know of the bullshit Lessig verdict). Therefore, NOT practicing civil disobedience is immoral (religion deals with morality, not ethics). Yes, it makes no exception for stupid laws but an illegal law is no law at all. And what would old Pete say if the Emperor had outlawed communion, tithing, and charity? What if he had outlawed Christianity itself (which Peter may have been wary of)?

      The meaning behind that passage is "don't make your fellow Christians look bad, the Emperor hates us enough as it is". And some of the right wing Obama-hating "Christians" should read that passage.

    7. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor."

      Since the number of governments over the last 1900 years that meet that standard is precisely zero, Christians are free to recognize the fact that intellectual property is a fiction and are therefore free to pirate.

    8. Re: So who's got a torrent? by Scowler · · Score: 1

      Nice. In other words, it's now ethical to break any law you happen to disagree with.

    9. Re:So who's got a torrent? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Yes, I believe I did. Unless it's fair use. And I'm not a Christian ;)

    10. Re:So who's got a torrent? by enharmonix · · Score: 1

      Too bad I don't have any moderator points, I'd have given you an informative. I haven't been on slashdot recently so maybe that's why I have no points, but I strongly suspect I had some metamoderators mod down some of my past moderations in a rather controversial article I decided to moderate. If only we had meta-meta-moderation, I think I'd still have had a point left to give you. Too bad.

    11. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again, Saint Augustine stated that "an unjust law is no law at all". You have no moral obligation to obey a law that goes against human dignity.

    12. Re:So who's got a torrent? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Only if he is the UK and he quoted from the King James version. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_bible#Copyright_status

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    13. Re: So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, it is. Please, think about it.

    14. Re:So who's got a torrent? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      You need to slow down and reread my post. Nothing in it is significantly contingent on whether or not the Bible is true.

    15. Re: So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's called civil disobedience. If enough people agree with you, then the law will get overturned. It's amazing living in a representative republic.

    16. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely not the KJV; the English was too modern.

    17. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a neat idea. Torrrents with bundles of infringing movies/material that would've been allowed by pre-1978 law, like the titles listed in the summary. Could be a fun gimmick for some uploader.

    18. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Talderas · · Score: 0

      Oh bullshit. I'd argue and be willing to bet that the reason kids have little respect for copyright law is their general disregard for authority figures (starting with their parents) and the fact that schools don't teach shit about civics.

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    19. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly why I evade taxes with a smile on my face.

    20. Re: So who's got a torrent? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      and it is unethical to let a sucker keep his money.

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    21. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      You used the bible. It matters not what you meant by it. Someone may come by and be intriguedd by its words and read some of it.

      This can not be allowed. Every mention of the bible in a "Non explicitly evil and/or stupid" context must be squashed.

      You can see all the little PC Nazis running toward you ready to attack.

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    22. Re:So who's got a torrent? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I'll take a PC Nazi over a Mac Nazi any day.

    23. Re:So who's got a torrent? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      The Constitution clearly states the reason for patent and copyright (to get people to produce more works for the public domain) and states "for limited times". a lifetime plus 95 years is in no way limited, and there's no way to convince Jimi Hendrix to make any more music.

      Indeed. The original copyright laws passed in the U.S. right after the Constitution was written allowed for a 14-year term of copyright, with an optional 14-year renewal. It wasn't until 1909 that it reached the 28+28 years formula used in TFA.

      Following the original 1790 copyright statute, everything up to 1985 should now be in the public domain -- John Irving's Cider House Rules, James Michener's Texas, Carl Sagan's Contact, and movies like Back to the Future, The Color Purple, Out of Africa, and The Goonies.

    24. Re:So who's got a torrent? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      For Christians, the word of Jesus is important.

      Peter, not so much. Unless you're Catholic, of course, then Peter deserves a lot more attention.

      Alas, all too many modern Christians (and non-Christians) pay less attention to the words of Jesus and more to the later commentary than they should.

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    25. Re: So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on your personal code of ethics.

    26. Re:So who's got a torrent? by operagost · · Score: 1

      You're essentially citing fairy tales as a basis for modern law.

      And you're allowing your reflexive emotional response to religious ideas make you sound like an asshole.

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    27. Re:So who's got a torrent? by operagost · · Score: 1

      a lifetime plus 95 years is in no way limited

      Sadly, it is. Jimi's works will all have gone into the public domain by 2065, if nothing changes. If there's a limit, it's arguably limited. Is it a reasonable limit? Probably not, but "probably" doesn't summarily constitute a violation. I don't like the law, but it isn't clearly unconstitutional-- although in my dreams, I can imagine a future court arguing it is.

      Reason, don't rationalize.

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    28. Re:So who's got a torrent? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Virtually all Christians consider those works inspired-- that's why they're compiled in the Bible. This is an historical fact. Besides, Jesus also said similar things about taxes and government authority.

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    29. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only a strict interpretation of the constitution, though. If we followed such interpretations, the first amendment would only protect actual spoken speech. We don't take the constitution 100% literally, though, and we instead choose to take into account its "spirit." This sort of thing clearly violates the spirit of the constitution.

    30. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least for Christians, it may be unethical to ignore bad copyright rules. In the Christian New Testament, St. Peter's first letter contains this passage:

      "Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor."

      A noteworthy thing here is that the letter carves out no exception regarding stupidly justified laws. (There are plenty of other places in the Bible that make it clear that it's okay for followers of God to disobey evil laws, however.)

      The verse seems to me to be self-contradicting. "Live as people who are free".

    31. Re: So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the thimgs tbat are God's.

    32. Re:So who's got a torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can we start make a list of the movies/material here?
      and people can reply with magnet numbers later when we find them
      Later someone can make make a nice torrent site with what we found!

    33. Re:So who's got a torrent? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      In one of Lessig's books he kicks himself for the way he handled the Supreme Court case. He argued reason, the opposition argued finance. Money won out over the constitution. Lessig wishes he would have stressed the opposite side of the money argument.

      We need a new Supreme Court, one not appointed by politicians who are owned by corporations. I have no idea how to accomplish that, though.

  11. If Atlas Shrugged went public domain by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    I think the universe would implode.

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    1. Re:If Atlas Shrugged went public domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that Atlas Shrugged *not* going into the public domain would make the universe implode.

      I say that we independently declare it public domain anyway and yahboosucks to the interfering government legislation. It's what she would have wanted.

  12. And none ever will again by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks to Disney and others, the very idea of works EVER entering the public domain will eventually become a relic.

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    1. Re:And none ever will again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Thanks to Disney and others, the very idea of works EVER entering the public domain will eventually become a relic.

      Mostly it goes to demonstrate that those who keep talking about 'free markets' are full of shit.

      There never has been, and never will be what people call a free market.

      It's a lie and a myth. The companies and lawmakers will always find ways to stack the game in their favor.

      Kill the rich. They're all just crooks anyway.

    2. Re:And none ever will again by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know who the fuck modded this down (Disney fan maybe??), but I'm dead serious. Back in the day, I used to teach my students the in-and-outs of copyright law (75 years plus, or whatever the hell the law happened to be at any given time). But since the 90's, I just tell them that anything that anything published from 1923 onwards will always be under copyright.

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    3. Re:And none ever will again by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

      And the real irony is that Disney built its animated empire on stories in the public domain:
      - Snow White? Grimm's Fairy Tales.
      - Pinocchio? Carlo Collodi, 1880.
      - Fantasia? Classical music from the public domain. The highlight, the Sorcerer's Apprentice, is from Goethe in 1798.
      - Bambi? Nope, they stole that one too, from a 1923 work of Felix Salten
      - Cinderella? That was written about 1700.
      - Alice in Wonderland? Lewis Carroll, of course.

      Basically, if it's a "Disney princess", they almost definitely stole the character from somewhere else.

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    4. Re:And none ever will again by ravenscar · · Score: 2

      Which is funny since Disney made their fortune remaking stories that were already in the Public Domain:
      Cinderella
      Sleeping Beauty
      Snow White
      Beauty and the Beast
      Frozen ...

      The list goes on.

    5. Re:And none ever will again by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      And the real irony is that Disney built its animated empire on stories in the public domain:
      - Snow White? Grimm's Fairy Tales.
      - Pinocchio? Carlo Collodi, 1880.
      - Fantasia? Classical music from the public domain. The highlight, the Sorcerer's Apprentice, is from Goethe in 1798.
      - Bambi? Nope, they stole that one too, from a 1923 work of Felix Salten
      - Cinderella? That was written about 1700.
      - Alice in Wonderland? Lewis Carroll, of course.

      Basically, if it's a "Disney princess", they almost definitely stole the character from somewhere else.

      Disclaimer: I am a Disney fan. However, I am willing to admit that Disney has hypocritically played both sides of the aisle here in milking public domain when it suited them (Snow White now practically belongs to them, for example) and crying loudly for copyright protection for their original material about to enter the public domain, but your examples are not 100% accurate.

      Fantasia contains "Rite Of Spring" which was composed by Igor Stravinski and should have been under copyright at the time (the film came out in 1940 and "Rite" was composed in 1913.).
      Bambi was based on a book and Disney purchased the film rights to the book, although they bought them from a producer who had previously purchased the rights and abandoned the project when he realized it would be too difficult for him to do.

    6. Re:And none ever will again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that copyright is a government creation, right? It has nothing at all to do with a free market. It impedes the free market.

      This is a prime example of why people call for limited government. When you give the government power to regulate the market to 'protect the little guy' you do the opposite. When you concentrate power, people will use it to their advantage. Because we have given the ability to restrict the use of 'intellectual property' to the government, moneyed interests manipulate that power to their own benefit, and to the detriment of others.

      Unfortunately, because some use this power, it forces everyone else to as well. If you don't, you will fail to compete effectively.

      Have you ever known a rich person?

    7. Re:And none ever will again by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      So should public domain status be "viral" like the GPL ? The actual performance of the work (speaking the words as well as the animation) and the recording thereof is what is copyrighted, not the actual story. Should derivative works automatically become public domain (and only public domain, no "cross licensing")?

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    8. Re:And none ever will again by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Don't forget The Jungle Book, which they published about one day (I'm only slightly exaggerating) after it entered the public domain to avoid paying the estate of Kipling (or whoever owned the rights.)

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    9. Re:And none ever will again by operagost · · Score: 1

      They received permission to use the Rite of Spring from Stravinsky. The only debate was whether that extended to video releases.

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    10. Re:And none ever will again by westlake · · Score: 1

      Frozen ...

      In Frozen, the Snow Queen is defiantly human and not an otherworldly abstraction.

      Frozen is rooted in the meaning and power of sacrificial love --- and familial love --- as expressed in the two sisters. Everything else is subordinated to that end.

      Does the geek who comments on stories in the public domain ever read them beyond the title?

    11. Re:And none ever will again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a Wonderful Life is said to be a Christmas favourite because someone forgot to renew its copyright and so it came into the public domain.

    12. Re:And none ever will again by toddestan · · Score: 1

      It's complicated. There was a clerical error, which caused it to fall out of copyright. No one really cared at the time since it is a really shitty movie, but once it became popular (due to repeated airings as television stations weren't paying any royalties on it) the studios came back and were able to claim copyright over it using the argument that it is a derivative work of another copyrighted story (not hard since it's not a terribly original story anyway). So basically, if you want to do anything with "It's a Wonderful Life", you'll have to give some money to Paramount.

  13. Lobbyists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/10/25/15-years-ago-congress-kept-mickey-mouse-out-of-the-public-domain-will-they-do-it-again/

    1. Re:Lobbyists by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Looks like we've got a counterexample case to Betteridge's Law of Headlines!

  14. Near public domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a concept similar to the BSD software license, where others are entitled to use the work as they see fit, but are required to make attribution to the original author and copyright holder? Also, derived works should clearly indicate that the original author(s) were not involved in the new work; for example, in a mixed anthology of original and new-fangled Sherlock Holmes stories, it should be clear which is which without having to do google searches.

  15. capitalism, in this form, is utterly flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    capitalism, in this form, is utterly flawed

  16. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So? If it's crap, then why not release it to the public domain, so people don't have to pay for it anymore, especially to help create the modern things you so cherish?

  17. They Should Lose Public Protection by maverickgunn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The entire purpose of copyright was to serve as an incentive for creators to add to the public wealth of knowledge and art. It was mutually beneficial: they get public protection for their work, and the public receives high quality art.

    The corruption of copyright by the likes of Disney and other mega-conglomerates has polluted that purpose. Now, copyright is a legal bludgeon used to deprive the public of its culture while perpetually forcing them to pay to get it back.

    If they want perpetual ownership of their work, they should lose any public or legal protections of it: it's quid pro quo, and if they are unwilling to hold up their end, they should be required to hold up both.

    1. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by tomhath · · Score: 1

      The entire purpose of copyright was to serve as an incentive for creators to add to the public wealth of knowledge and art. It was mutually beneficial: they get public protection for their work, and the public receives high quality art.

      The primary purpose of copyright was to ensure that the creators could profit from their work for a reasonable length of time, then the work would enter the public domain so others can use or extend it. I agree that current copyright laws don't serve that purpose very well; the concept needs to be modernized to accommodate corporations which can exist for hundreds of years as well as individuals. More like trademark than copyright.

    2. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by mcsnee · · Score: 1

      Are you "deprived" of food, because you have to pay for it?

      (1) If you can't afford it, yes.
      (2) If you can't find the person who has it to pay them, yes.

    3. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by mi · · Score: 1
      Well, thankfully, neither applies to entertainment:
      1. It is not required for survival, so question of "affording" does not arise.
      2. Disney and the others you denounce are right there, anxious to take your money for the entertainment they produce.
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    4. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you "deprived" of food, because you have to pay for it?

      If I take some food to eat, and the government takes the food back from me because I haven't paid for it, they are by definition depriving me of food. Of course, if the food was previously owned, I'll have deprived the previous owner in taking it.

      Property ownership comes down to the threat of depriving people if they try to enjoy something which doesn't belong to them.
        The question is the extent to which deprivation is moral.

      None of this has anything to do with copyright: the great thing about copying is that you don't deprive the initial owner.

    5. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by maverickgunn · · Score: 5, Informative

      And this still works perfectly well today, thank you very much.

      Perfectly well? Really? Do you realize how many works are completely lost, from film, to music, to software to any other creative field simply because they never entered the public domain and copyright holders either disappeared or held them tightly in their grasp? On top of that, you have corporations like Disney whose entire existence was built on the works of others now abusing that same privilege to deprive future generations of their own creativity.

      I wouldn't call either of those things "perfectly well".

      Defending property rights of the citizenry is among the top tasks of any government.

      Intellectual property is only "property" because the government, our government, labeled it as such. It shares little in common with actual property: it's not tangible, it doesn't degrade and it's not limited in quantity or duplication. Were it not for the public invention of protecting it, it would have no inherent protections. So if we receive no public benefit, why should we spend public resources defending it for them?

      Are you "deprived" of food, because you have to pay for it?

      Of course you are. That's an obvious statement. But it's an entirely different situation because food is a tangible product limited in quality and quantity. It has inherent protections intellectual property does not so comparing the two is asinine.

    6. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > And this still works perfectly well today, thank you very much.
      Not really. Look at Disney's portfolio again. None of their early work would have been legal had they not had public domain stuff to copy. So they would have made NO new art. That is where many people are today. Unable to use parts of out very culture because someone owns it. Copyright is harming the vast majority of people's ability to create art in order to enrich a few, entrenched entities'.

      > Defending property rights of the citizenry is among the top tasks of any government. Moreover, the "ownership" (perpetual or not) is only meaningful, if there are legal protections for it.
      It's not property. There is no movie I can make that can take Disney's movies away from them. But I can't do things like make a new animation called "Snow White" and not get sued out of existence.

      > Are you "deprived" of food, because you have to pay for it?
      False equivalence.
      A better one is, are you deprived of food if, in order to eat something, you may not use a single recipe anyone else has published anywhere, ever. Nor can you eat if yours is too similar to another. And only after a few years and several million dollars is spent in court determining that you spinach, green bean, feta, and kidney bean bread was sufficiently non-infringing.

      In short: shill elsewhere you fucking dumbass

    7. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by mcsnee · · Score: 1

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=orphan+works

    8. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, in the old days, copyrighted works would basically disappear after a certain period of time. Without a way to flawlessly record and maintain books, music, and movies, works would inevitably be lost, or of poor quality, so people needed new works to be produced, or there would be no copyrighted works. Now that all copyrighted works are able to be stored in a way that stops any of their original quality from being lost, things have changed a bit. the original copyright terms were 14 (17??) years. Having everything from the year 2000 and previous in the public domain would leave a whole lot of content out there that's in pristine condition, that people could use without paying anyone. I'm thinking that 75 years (or whatever it's at now) is probably too high, but if the number was set too low, then we'd have a similar problem that we now have with piracy, where there's so much work freely available, that people don't bother paying for the new stuff.

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    9. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by mi · · Score: 1
      Are you implying, Disney have caused these "orphan works" to appear? Because this is, what you wrote earlier:

      The corruption of copyright by the likes of Disney and other mega-conglomerates has polluted that purpose. Now, copyright is a legal bludgeon used to deprive the public of its culture while perpetually forcing them to pay to get it back.

      Now, what does any of this have to do with "orphan works"?

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    10. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      And this still works perfectly well today, thank you very much.

      No, it doesn't. I covered this in an earlier comment, scroll up.

      Defending property rights of the citizenry is among the top tasks of any government.

      If you buy a copy of my novel, the book is your property. But the novel is nobody's property. There is no such thing as intellectual property. It is NOT property, damn it!

    11. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by jiriw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are you "deprived" of food, because you have to pay for it?

      (3) If the person who has an abundance of it is unwilling to provide* at any reasonable price, yes.
      (4) If the food is purposely made** to spoil fast, sometimes even before you were able to take a bite from it.
      (5) If you have to pay the producer of your piece of food over and over again*** in full, if you want it to last or if you want to eat it in another venue than you originally intended.

      (* publishers that let works go 'out of print' but still prosecute 'alternative means of distribution'. It is called artificial scarcity and is something very common when dealing with monopolies.)
      (** certain DRM mechanisms come to mind.)
      (*** LP, Cassette, CD. Celluloid film, Video cassette, Laser disk, DVD, Blu-ray. Digital distribution with various restrictions. Multiple devices for playback, or the inability to be able to.)

    12. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by mcsnee · · Score: 1

      I don't recall writing that, though I agree with its broad outlines.

      But yes, Disney and others who lobby Congress to extend copyrights beyond all reason have contributed to the problem of orphan works. Orphan works come about when, for example, copyright law extends protection of works whose authors are already dead.

      Your comments suggest that you don't really have an idea of the scope of the problem or how it comes about. Every original work--not just entertainment--that is fixed in a tangible medium is copyrighted, automatically, and thus automatically protected for the life of the author plus 70 years. The level of protection for pre-1976 works is a little different, but still far out of scale with the problem copyright tries to solve--namely, providing a sufficient incentive to authors to ensure the flow of new creative works without placing unnecessary restrictions on free expression.

    13. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I take some food to eat, and the government takes the food back from me because I haven't paid for it, they are by definition depriving me of food

      Only if that's the only food available to you, otherwise you still have food and are not deprived.

      None of this has anything to do with copyright: the great thing about copying is that you don't deprive the initial owner.

      Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what would have happened if the copy was not available to you. IP is property, deal with it.

    14. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by dryeo · · Score: 2

      And it was a battle between the elected House of Commons who wanted to have copyright as eternal (the book publishers at this time invented the fiction that it was for the authours) and the unelected House of Lords who didn't and eventually won out with the 14+14 year compromise for "The Advancement of Learning" as the original copyright act included in its title. This is a good example of the problems with (representative) democracy.

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    15. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And this still works perfectly well today, thank you very much."

      Really? There's numerous examples above where good works have been shut down due to copyright that shouldn't exist anymore and the headline gives examples as well. Keep living in that bubble of yours, you thief.

      "Defending property rights of the citizenry is among the top tasks of any government. Moreover, the "ownership" (perpetual or not) is only meaningful, if there are legal protections for it."

      Copyright is a contract. The creators broke their end of it. Why should I have to hold up mine?

      "Are you "deprived" of food, because you have to pay for it?"

      If you grew it on my land and them claimed ownership to my land because you made the planted the fruit. Yeah, I am. You're a thief, plain and simple. You changed the terms of the agreement after the fact. Were you in a movie you'd be Vader "Pray I don't alter the agreement more". You're the bad guy.

    16. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by broken_chaos · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking that 75 years (or whatever it's at now) is probably too high, but if the number was set too low, then we'd have a similar problem that we now have with piracy, where there's so much work freely available, that people don't bother paying for the new stuff.

      You may wish to double-check your figures on the profits of the culture industry. It may be shocking, after the bullshit spewed by the RIAA, MPAA, etc., but they are making a hell of a lot of money despite piracy. There is also a substantial amount of research that suggests those who pirate more also legally purchase more when it comes to media.

    17. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Without a way to flawlessly record and maintain books, music, and movies, works would inevitably be lost, or of poor quality, so people needed new works to be produced, or there would be no copyrighted works.

      Umm, not really. I work on a regular basis with old books (with include music manuscripts too) that are hundreds of years old, some over a thousand. Parchment required killing lots of animals to make a manuscript; paper books were also quite expensive until the 1900s. Anything that was valued enough to be written down at all was meant to last. And by the time that movies became very popular, copyright terms were 56 years (28+28), whereas movie fads changed so rapidly that a lot of early films from the 1910s and 1920s (and even decades later) have been completely lost.

      Not because people couldn't make more copies of films or store them, but because nobody cared.

      Which brings up the real reason why new works used to be created (and still do) -- tastes change. People like new stuff. The idea that we should worship "classical" literature and "classical" music pretty much didn't exist before about 1800. Instead, artists just kept making stuff because that's what artists do, and the public likes whatever new fad comes along.

      Now that all copyrighted works are able to be stored in a way that stops any of their original quality from being lost, things have changed a bit.

      I don't know about this. We have lots and lots medieval manuscripts that are easily legible which are over a thousand years old. The hides of animals used to make them were and are very durable. We have clay and stone tablets from the ancient world that are thousands of years old.

      On the other hand, I have files written in defunct file formats that are less than 20 years old which I can't read without jumping through special hoops. I have video files I purchased less than a decade ago which I can no longer open because of DRM. (I've since learned my lesson....)

      Is our current information storage system more durable than animal skin parchment paper that has lasted 1000 years?? We'll see. I think some of the digital archiving problems are being solved, but I already know scholars working on material from the past 20 years that have alluded to them as "lost decades." Historical figures up to the 1970s and 1980s usually kept lots of paper letters and things that can still be accessed by historians. Scholars studying people who have died more recently often are dealing with many years of correspondence simply lost when things had transitioned to email... which often was just deleted or forgotten when a new computer was acquired.

      Mostly what has changed in the past few years is not the durability of the storage medium, but rather the ability to make copies very easily at almost no cost. Whether we keep making those copies in formats that we can continue to read is an open question.

      the original copyright terms were 14 (17??) years.

      The original copyright terms were in Italy in the late 1400s, and typically were granted to individual publishers or authors for a period of 7-10 years. The Statute of Anne (1707, which is the first copyright thing most people have heard of) established a 14-year copyright period with a 14-year renewal, i.e., a maximum of 28 years. The first copyright laws in the U.S. (1790) granted the same rights.

    18. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Artistic works are created regardless if there is an economic incentive or not. No one payed you any money when you doodled stuff in high school. No one is paying 4 year olds to play with crayons. No on is paying the thousands of amatuer muscians involved in bands and choirs. There is no copyright on jokes and people still make them. There is already enough artistic works in the world that no new works need to be created. People want new art because new art is part of new culture. People want to watch Game of Thrones because everyone is talking about it. If people were all talking about the Grapes of Wrath people would be reading that book instead.

    19. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Without a way to flawlessly record and maintain books, music, and movies, works would inevitably be lost, or of poor quality, so people needed new works to be produced, or there would be no copyrighted works.

      What the hell are you talking about?

      We've always been able to flawlessly copy books. We haven't always done enough of it, but we've always been able to. And music and movies can generally be preserved and reproduced fairly well if some care is taken.

      Copyright interferes with the preservation and reproduction of works by imposing additional costs on archivists and outright impeding copying and distribution.

      We put up with it, to the extent that we do, because we hope that it will spur the creation and distribution of more works which will enter the public domain as fully and as quickly as possible, since it is only when works are in the public domain that they are of the greatest value to the public. Specifically, we hope it will spur the creation and publication of more works than if we didn't have copyright, with the ideal law being the one that spurs the most but impairs the public the least.

      You're wrong about the market too; most works have a very brief window of copyright related commercial viability. It can be measured in hours to, at most, a few years. (A typical novel, for example, will make most of the copyright related money it will ever make within a couple of years of first being published.) This is why old works are generally available fairly cheaply. Yet people always want the new things. Even if we abolished copyright altogether, people would still want new things.

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    20. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      The primary purpose of copyright was to ensure that the creators could profit from their work for a reasonable length of time, then the work would enter the public domain so others can use or extend it.

      No.

      The primary purpose of copyright is to serve the public interest in advancing the progress of science. The means by which it functions involves giving authors a chance to profit (it's far from ensured; in fact most never make a cent from their copyrights and never will) but its a big mistake to confuse the means with the ends.

      I agree that current copyright laws don't serve that purpose very well; the concept needs to be modernized to accommodate corporations which can exist for hundreds of years as well as individuals. More like trademark than copyright.

      That would just make things worse. We need to seriously reduce the scope and duration of copyright. It's grown so bloated that authors would barely notice any effects of this, but the public would benefit greatly.

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      -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
    21. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though I agree with you, copyright can apply to jokes, just fyi
      http://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/can-jokes-copyrighted-10112.html

    22. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without getting in the middle of whether the system works well, doesn't work, might work better, or whether Disney's abuses rise to the level of a fatal flaw, the fact that obscure works "disappear" is not a problem copyright was ever intended to solve. Copyright was meant to make access to entertainment, literature, and art cheaper and available to the lower classes. That was and certainly still is the principle benefit to the public. The secondary benefit to the bargain was that enduring works of great cultural importance would eventually simply become part of the fabric of society for everyone.

      It was never meant as a preservation system of every random poem, song, or essay, and it was never meant to benefit contemporaries. It was never intended or understood that a brand-new work would fall into your hands to exploit while it was still at the height of its popularity. That's a purely modern fabrication by copyright detractors, offered with no evidence or citation. In fact, copyright was always adjusted in the face of technological and economic advances, including growing lifespans. The economic benefits of copyright were always meant to reside with the author, and once the money was made, the cultural benefits would serve future generations.

      Intellectual property is only "property" because the government, our government, labeled it as such.

      Which is the only basis for property at law.

      It shares little in common with actual property

      It shares everything in common with actual, legal property. It is a defined set of exclusive rights to a defined entity in a defined sphere of control.

      it's not tangible, it doesn't degrade and it's not limited in quantity or duplication.

      Absolutely none of which is any part of the definition of legal property. You're confusing personalty, a type of property, with property, which is another misguided tactic regularly employed by copyright detractors that does nothing to advance your view. Saying it's not like tangible property is true but meaningless, because most property is unlike personalty.

      Real estate is not tangible, does not degrade, and were it unlimited in both quantity and duplication, would still be subject to property rights. It is a defined right to a particular parcel, mapped in space, and the limited exploitation of resources within it. It's not, in fact, the soil, rock, trees, water, buildings, and air as individual, tangible molecules. Indeed, with respect to natural resources running through the property, they may not actually be part of the property at all. Likewise, a business entity is property, not simply the physical assets, but the intangible entity itself. Money, also property, is principally intangible as well. The contents of your hard drive are your property, and it's not the metal platters you're primarily interested in controlling.

      Like baryonic matter in the universe, tangible property is actually just a very small part.

      It's like the idiotic pseudosemantic "copyright infringement is not stealing" game that people love to play on Slashdot but gets you nowhere in court. Yes, it is stealing--multiple definitions of the word apply. It is not the criminal act of theft, i.e. larceny, but again it's an irrelevant point. The worst is when both of these combine in the same person, using the legal definition of larceny or conversion to incorrectly claim that a word with no legal significance ('stealing') is being misused, while using a non-legal definition of the word 'property' to incorrectly claim that there's no such thing as intellectual property.

      Were it not for the public invention of protecting it, it would have no inherent protections.

      It would have the same protections as anything else without the "public invention of protecting it": the skill and strength of the person defending it. Nothing has inherent protections outside the law of a cooperative society.

    23. Re:They Should Lose Public Protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you seem to not like Disney and the pother movie studios so why do you claim they define this culture you are so proud of? Produce your own culture and place it in the public domain.

  18. Re:News Alert! Sonny Bono is dead! by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's buried here..

    You can go and hire Ms. Cleo and do a seance and complain to him since he sponsored the legislation.

    See, even the trees opposed copyright extension.

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    I am not a crackpot.
  19. Re:So? by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Informative

    sibling is right... if it's so crappy, then why the need to rent-seek on them? Consider that the majority of the works' creators are dead by now (it's been 56 some-odd years), so it's not like they're directly benefiting from copyright. So who is benefiting? The kids, the corporations, and a whole lot of other people who did approximately bupkis to create these works.

    Copyright is about a temporary monopoly on a creative work. It is emphatically not meant to be a perpetual money machine.

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  20. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by mcsnee · · Score: 2

    That (1) misses the point, which is that U.S. copyright law has become wholly uncoupled from the point of granting copyrights in the first place, and (2) isn't even true for a lot of works. Google "orphan works."

  21. YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I weren't sooo lazy, I'd work a bit harder and BOOM! I'd be RICH! Why, if I weren't so lazy, I could get another job on top of my other two, and work some more! After all, I'm only working 80 hours a week and who needs sleep and recreation!

    And we all know that the billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Buffet and all them got where they are by working hard and being honest and forthright people! Anyone can do it!

    We all know that all it takes here in the states is to work hard and wealth is guaranteed! Well, if it weren't for the government regulations.

    I had a chemical disposal business and the fucking EEE, PEEE, AYE stopped me from disposing in the local trout stream! How the hell is one going to make a living with these communist basterds?! And this bullshit nonsense about children getting cancer and whatnot - why there's St. Judes to help them! Business and profits first and health and well being is just a socialist value! Anyway, cancer was created by socialists to punish the hard working creators and rewards the takers!

    And this bullshit of "you didn't build that!" why, the private sector could do just fine building roads and highways and edukating us!

    If you're poor, it's all because of your character! Yes sir! If you worked hard have decent values, you wouldn't be poor!

    Poor people have poor character and they are stupid! It's all their fault! If they would just pull themselves up by their bootstraps like I did, all would be well!

    I tell you, the values in this society have deteriorated. Way back when, those people would be left to starve - as they should - and it allowed for us makers to achieve and better society.

    1. Re:YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Exactly this. And a kazillion times this. What I can't understand is why we tolerate these commy socialist pinko basturds and their immoral and unethical values why has it not become an excutable offense yet to walk around being so pig-headedly wrong?

    2. Re:YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure beat the shit out of that strawman. Good job!

    3. Re:YOu are so right! by Dishevel · · Score: 0

      IAnd this bullshit of "you didn't build that!" why, the private sector could do just fine building roads and highways and edukating us!

      You do realize that private education is cheaper and better. Right?

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    4. Re:YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But is private education really private ? how much subvention from the local gouvernement does your local private school got? Andis it always better ? Or is it perceived to be better ? And more importantly will it really be better for your kid ? It's not so black and white.

      Education is mired with bad statistic, poor decision makind and the myth of the one fit all. It's the same all over the world.

    5. Re:YOu are so right! by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      But is private education really private ? how much subvention from the local gouvernement does your local private school got? Andis it always better ? Or is it perceived to be better ? And more importantly will it really be better for your kid ? It's not so black and white.

      Education is mired with bad statistic, poor decision makind and the myth of the one fit all. It's the same all over the world.

      Publicly educated. Right?

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    6. Re:YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No and no.

    7. Re:YOu are so right! by operagost · · Score: 1

      Looks like the progressives opened up another straw man manufacturing facility.

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    8. Re:YOu are so right! by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      Being better and cheaper than public education isn't much of an accomplish. It's still garbage.

    9. Re:YOu are so right! by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Being more expensive and worse than something you call garbage is a major accomplishment though.

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      Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
    10. Re:YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we all know that the billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Buffet and all them got where they are by working hard and being honest and forthright people! Anyone can do it!

      But you could. I have 4 siblings to different parents and those parents were living on welfare, I did not make it past 10th grade. I started working in a plumbing supply warehouse when I was 16 making just above minimum wage. 20 years later, I own a plumbing business with 15 full time employees spread across a few counties and recently expanded into heating and A/C. Up until a few years ago, I was flipping houses as well. I am now in my 40's living very comfortable with my wife and 5 kids. I am certainly not a billionaire but I haven't turned a wrench or installed a water heater for a customer myself in 10 years and I own 6 properties that I bought, fixed up and rent out. There are still people working hourly in that same supply warehouse that were there when I was working there 20 years ago. Great guys and one of them was my best man, they choose to stay there.

    11. Re:YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A friend of mine went to a private school. The fees are significantly higher than the public schools, and the required high-spec Apple laptop pushes it well out of the range of the majority of people in this city. Doesn't sound cheaper to me. Better, well, that's very much a personal thing - what works for one doesn't necessarily work for another.

    12. Re:YOu are so right! by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      I am sure you can find private schools that are more expensive than public schools, but not by much. There are also many high quality private schools that cost less than what we pay for public information. Then there is this ...

      The Los Angeles Unified School District spent $29,780 per student in fiscal year 2007-08.

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      Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
    13. Re:YOu are so right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thusfar it's been objectively proven to be neither, when one controls for the fact that private schools simply don't have to deal with all comers like public schools do, though it is rather more effective at propaganda, as your allegedly self-evident post proves.

    14. Re:YOu are so right! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates, Buffet and all them got where they are by working hard and being honest and forthright people! Anyone can do it!

      I get your satire, but you should know that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet work harder than anyone I know.

      I don't think the same is true for Zuckerberg.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  22. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually there are plenty of works being lost every day that no one has access to as a result of over extension of copyright. Relatively obscure works from prior to the 1920s are plentiful because they are in the public domain and are freely available. Works that are still covered by copyright are difficult to find even if you're willing to pay for them.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/03/the-missing-20th-century-how-copyright-protection-makes-books-vanish/255282/

  23. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by mi · · Score: 0

    Works that are still covered by copyright are difficult to find even if you're willing to pay for them.

    Then that is how their creators must have wanted it... Sure, there may be some author here and there, who was just otherworldly to mark his work "public domain" but in truth most people would rather get paid — if only as a cold affirmation, that their work is any good.

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  24. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Please understand what public domain is before making comments like that.
    Something becomes "public domain" when copyright expires.
    This prevents monopolies on intellectual properties and allow derivative works to florish.
    Why is this important? Because without this protection we would all be stuck in the dark ages since no one could develop anything based on something invented a long time ago.
    You want a great example of something that is public domain and is core part of our society today? The web.
    More precisely, the foundations and protocols of the internet. If CERN hadnt decided to share this great invention free of charge to the public domain we would never have seen the rapid growth of this industry.
    http://tenyears-www.web.cern.ch/tenyears-www/Welcome.html

    Many companies pressure governments to increase the copyright expiration time because this helps them create a monopoly.

  25. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assumptions are factual only as assumptions and not as any other factual data.

  26. Re:So? by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The question is, what can we do about it?

    Long copyrights are great for corporations but shitty for authors. There was a fellow a couple years ago who was sued for writing a sequel to "Catcher in the Rye", that book should be in the public domain.

    Insane copyright law is keeping The Paxil Diaries in electronic form and out of gutenberg.org because of twenty four words in the 80k word book. One chapter concerned the re-dedication of the Illinois State Library which was renamed to Illinois last late poet laureate's name. There was a 24 word poem displayed, which I copied with a pencil and used as the chapter's intro.

    That poem, written in 1961 by a woman now long dead should NOT be covered by copyright. I may publish the book with the poem replaced by a rant about our insane copyright laws if I can't get permission to use it (I think the state holds copyright but I don't know).

    Meanwhile, you can read Nobots for free online, I'm only charging for real books, which actually have a cost to print and distribute.

    I've written my congressmen and Senators, have you written yours?

  27. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have written my confressmen and Senators about copyright and patents. Your own choice of what to do with your writtings isn't very relavent to the conversation, it seems like a shameless plug. But, on the bright side your sci fi, isn't any worse than anything else that's been written in the last 20 years. So there's that.

  28. Re:So? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    The question is, what can we do about it?

    Civil disobedience en masse, to the point where you cannot possibly enforce it. This is happening now with marijuana usage, and will likely end up happening with movies and music, if BitTorrent traffic is an indicator.

    You could write the congresscritters (one of my senators --Sen. Wyden-- gets it, but the other 534 congresscritters in DC don't, and some (Hatch in Utah) actively try and make things worse. Too bad the rest either don't care or have been bought off enough to ignore it.)

    I'm afraid there aren't many other viable options, outside of a very lucky Supreme Court case.

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  29. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is not access to works. The problem is if you can build on top of those works.
    As an example. You can pick up a piece of paper and draw a car or a house. Well, according to law, the idea of a car or a house can be protected. That means that anyone that draws a car or a house needs permission from the holder.
    Ever heard of the licensing monopoly back when the Automobile industry was in its infancy?
    Read this :http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/how-henry-ford-zapped-a-licensing-monopoly#axzz2p4pOIgNi

    "ALAM weapon was the 1895 Selden patent, and their claim was that it covered all gasoline-powered vehicles. By controlling this patent they asserted the right to decide who should be allowed to build and sell cars. Carmakers who didn’t join the ALAM and pay royalties on each car sold could be sued and possibly forced out of business."

  30. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Then that is how their creators must have wanted it

    Or that's what the cartel which controls it's distribution now wants.

    Copyright has long ceased to be about what the creator of a work wants, and is far too often about what the corporations who control them want.

    Just because a corporation sits on something and doesn't publish, doesn't mean that the copyright owner has any say any longer -- because sometimes distribution rights also factor in.

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  31. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the law is crap, people just ignore the law. Penalties are very harsh for copyright infringement, but we still download things. It's not that we are all "thieves", it's just that people don't see it as wrong.

  32. Re:So? by alen · · Score: 0

    unlike 100 years ago, books are so cheap now its ridiculous. public domain is not that big a deal. and thanks for amazon, publishing your own work is easier than at anytime in history. write a story and publish it to the kindle store

    its not that hard to make up a story original enough not to get sued. i'm finishing up one now to sell, i have at least a dozen ideas for the future and read new books almost every week with original ideas

  33. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by jandrese · · Score: 1

    That's less true than you think. Many times the original copyright holders cannot be found, or worse, you find multiple parties all asserting the same copyright (every grandchild thinks it is their personal gift from granddad). Although if you make a million bucks on something you can bet that delinquent rightsholder will suddenly appear out of the woodwork with lawyers in hand. Sometimes authors simply don't want you to use their works too and won't sell them for anything, although it's more common that they simply overvalue their own work and ask for way too much money.

    Remember that copyright spans multiple generations over several decades. Lets say you want to build on an obscure work published in 1930 by a little known author. You can pore over public records to try to find living decendents, but chances are they have no clue about the copyright status of their great grandfather's works. Nobody has any documentation and the will doesn't mention it. You can't even find half of the people who might have a claim on it. You have nobody to pay, but the work was never released to the Public Domain, so it is effectively lost. You might think you can get away with just using it, but if one of those missing kids suddenly has some bills to pay, they're going to hire an East Texas lawyer and milk you for everything you've ever owned.

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  34. The best argument for change in PD laws by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The best argument I've heard for changing the laws dealing with public domain in the USA is that in these days of federal budget cutting and decreasing spending, if these copyrights are so valuable then why are they being renewed for free automatically? It would seem logical to make a change where those who want their copyrights to be extended could pay a fee, perhaps fairly large, and fill out some paperwork to get the copyright renewed. If they forget to fill out the forms in time and pay the fee in time, too bad. That's how it was some years ago. If you forgot to renew your copyright in time, you lost it. Congress could enact a sliding scale where the renewal fee increases exponentially. For example, say that all works get an original copy right period of 50 years. Then if renewal is desired, the copyright holder could pay $500,000 for a renewal period of 10 years. If they want the works renewed at the end of that period for another 10 years, the fee goes up to $5 million. The next 10 year period is $50 million. The one after that is $500 million, then $5 billion and so on. Eventually the cost will get prohibitive that nobody will pay it any more and works will enter the public domain. I really do not get how if these works are so valuable that they must be renewed that Congress has to let it be done for free and virtually forever. Unfortunately to date the US Supreme Court has basically ruled "We're not saying that we think that extending copyright is a great idea, but the Constitution does permit it. As long as the termination date is less than 'never', any extension is probably legal." Why is Congress giving away money in renewal fees if these works are truly so valuable that they must remain in copyright longer?

    1. Re:The best argument for change in PD laws by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      Extension of copyright is a "taking" from the public under the Constitution.

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    2. Re:The best argument for change in PD laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if the USG can make a few bucks off of it, then it's theoretically giving back to the public.

      Can't wait for the next great copyright extension.

    3. Re:The best argument for change in PD laws by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      No mod points here but you make an excellent point.

    4. Re:The best argument for change in PD laws by Newander · · Score: 1

      It's because congress would rather see that money go into their reelection funds.

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  35. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    It is not like you can't access the works, unless they are in public domain â" you just have to pay for it.

    You can pay for public domain works as well.

    Difference is that if the copyright holder doesn't think it's worth the bother of publishing something, then you can't buy it at all. If it were in the public domain, someone else might decide to publish it....

    --

    "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
  36. Re:So? by BemoanAndMoan · · Score: 1

    There was a fellow a couple years ago who was sued for writing a sequel to "Catcher in the Rye"

    Yea, by fucking J.D. Salinger himself (or did mentioning that little tidbit weaken your argument too much to make it worthy of a mention?)

    So sad that this is where you've invested your moral outrage, that one of the century's most noted author's sued because he didn't want some talentless ass hat publishing fan fiction (a.k.a. unoriginal self-indulgent feculence) to muddy his genuine, original and critically acclaimed novel.

    Hammer on Disney and the other greedycorps all you want, but when a living author wants to protect his own work/invention/legacy, he has every right to do so and piss on every self-righteous dick (including the comparatively talentless hacks of the world) who tells him otherwise.

  37. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're writing a book, but have no shift keys on your keyboard? Who are you, e.e.cummings?

  38. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    remind me to put in my will any copyrightable works attributabtle to me to be released to the public domain as soon as I die. Although with alot of works being owned by Immortal corporations, then they will never go out of copyright as long as the original company still exists in one form or another.

  39. Re:So? by cusco · · Score: 2

    Especially annoying when Hatch has repeatedly been caught infringing copyright on his web site and in many of his speeches.

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    "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now, realise that half of them are dumber than that." - George Carlin
  40. What about orphaned works? by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see copyright law changed to make orphaned works available to the public. A simple way to do that would be to require a periodic registration (with fee) after an initial implicit registration period. For example, works that are over 20 years old would need to be registered every 5 years at a cost of $100 or they would revert to public domain. Then, services which make public domain works available online would be able to access the registry to determine whether an old work is in the public domain.

    That sort of thing seems politically feasible because it wouldn't disrupt the powerful corporate interests, yet it would release works into the public domain which have been abandoned or don't generate enough income to justify the registration fee.

  41. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that's the case, then the creator, his heirs or assigns made the choice.
    Or should an author not be able to transfer these rights to someone else?

  42. Undoing mod by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

    The buggy Slashdot mod system made me mod "overrated" by accident.
    This post will undo it.

  43. Re:So? by AdamColley · · Score: 2

    nothing wrong with the e.e. cummings style, we're communicating online rather than writing a formal letter.

  44. Parallel With Snowden by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

    I see a parallel with the Snowden revelations of an out-of-control national security apparatus, which has created a vigorous and still growing push-back against flagrant abuse of the the government's powers (search warrants anyone?).

    The corruption of the law and legal process by corporations to create a copyright regime that defies the U.S. Constitution* has created a widespread (and growing) view that copyright as it now stands is simply wrong - it is straight-out theft of public property for private gain. With corporate ownership of the lawmakers -- and the lawmakers own institutionalized corruption* - there is no immediate prospect of being able to undo this through legislative action. Before that happens there will likely be many more give-a-ways to corporations that will need to be undone.

    Perhaps over the next 20 years we will be able to create movement that restores the rights of the broad public against the spies, CEOs, and Wall Street firms. Trust busting in the Progressive Era was effective only because the leading politician of the day (Teddy Roosevelt) was solidly, vigorously behind it. Without a powerful ally the going will be slow.

    The national security abuse case is a little easier since "only" privacy is at stake, not money. Most congress folk aren't raking in money from spying.

    *Did they amend the Constitution to change the limited copyright explicitly specified therein? Noooo....

    **There are effectively no restrictions on Senators or Congressmen directly profiting from the laws they write; every Senator has a "leadership PAC" slush fund - a legalized bribery vehicle created to nullify anti-corruption laws.

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  45. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I hope you get sued for infringement. Once you make any real money, I'm sure you will. Public domain is a contract with the public and breaking that contract means you should lose your protection. Why don't you share the name of your book so we can be sure to pirate the hell out of it if it's worth any money. Copyright is an inducement to create with the explicit terms that your creations add to the greater whole. Right now you're not adding to the greater whole. You're stealing. Just like you claim pirates do.

  46. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep sitting on your thumbs and flapping your gums. The next time another article appears like this (doubtlessly within a week knowing Slashshit) you'll be posting the same thing looking for the same approval among a bunch of circle-jerking geeks.
     
    All talk, no action. I hear the big talk from you fucks all the time... When you going to do something beside raiding on WoW or watching pirated movies that you fucks claim aren't worth the time to download?

  47. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Marijuana isn't being legalized because of civil disobedience. The crimes on the street that benefit from the "soft money" of marijuana dealing is far from civil. You're really living in another world.

  48. Re:News Alert! Sonny Bono is dead! by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    Here's an idea: amend the constitution so any law whose authors die automatically expires. Congress would have its hands full re-passing only useful laws and junk statutes that forbid whistling at ladies after midnight would be long-gone.

  49. Re:So? by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

    I loved an idea I once saw (probably here) about having a perpetual copyright... you get the first 10 years free (kind of like now) without registration, after that registration is required. $1000 for the first year, and each year the cost of registration fee goes up 50%. Hell, even 25%... if you want to pay tens of millions to keep something copyrighted half a century, more power to you... Any works written before 10 years ago could even start with an 80% off start point. (1.25 ^ (length - 10) * 0.8) ... Something tells me Disney corporation would choose to let "Steam Boat Willie" enter the public domain.

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  50. Rebels With A Cause by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    A strong case can be made that we all have a moral obligation to break copyright and patent laws. The term private has been stolen and distorted. That which is private is held back, kept secret and not published or broadcast or performed in public. The trick that has been pulled is to create confusion in weak minds by combining the word private and property to form an irrational concept. America had a built in concept that forbids nobel ownership or nobel use. In other words all things can to some degree be regulated and shared if they touch the public space in any way. Before cars we had laws that controlled how a horse might be used. Traditionally laws even regulate where a man might step and they still do. But none of these notions touch the issue of art, literature or commercial products put in play before or among the public. Copyright is a twisting and perversion of our legal and moral heritage. Perhaps society has been overly tolerant of such laws.

  51. Re:So? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    J.D. Salinger's original agreement with the US government was satisfied in 2007. He only won the lawsuit because of unconstitutional extensions to copyright. Also, a living author is often one of the worst parties to give control to, especially decades down the line.

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  52. You can thank Disney by ksemlerK · · Score: 0

    The only reason copyright has been extended so long is so Disney Corp can protect Mickey Mouse.

  53. The Disney version. by westlake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And the real irony is that Disney built its animated empire on stories in the public domain
    - Bambi? Nope, they stole that one too, from a 1923 work of Felix Salten

    It is never wise to take anything a geek says about Disney at face value.

    In 1933, Sidney Franklin, a producer and director at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, purchased the film rights to Felix Salten's novel Bambi, A Life in the Woods, intending to adapt it as a live-action film. After years of experimentation, he eventually decided that it would be too difficult to make such a film and he sold the film rights to Walt Disney in April 1937. Disney began work on crafting an animated adaptation immediately, intending it to be the company's second feature-length animated film and their first to be based on a specific, recent work.

    Bambi

    Philip Pullman's Fairy Tales from the Brothers Grimm: A New English Version retells fifty of these classic tales in a four hundred page book. Call it eight pages on average per story.

    That is barely enough material to sustain a one-act stage play.

    The truth is that the adaptation becomes memorable through its embellishments, its richness in detail. ''Hansel & Gretel'' at Columbia Marionette Theatre: A Sweet Artistic Triumph

    It isn't a generic Sleeping Beauty the geek wants to appropriate from Disney, it is Maleficent.

    1. Re:The Disney version. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Nice, but Maleficent isn't Sleeping Beauty, generic or otherwise.

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    2. Re:The Disney version. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 act play... "Running man" must have a lot of lost pages

  54. Re:Pay up and enjoy it... by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 1

    Then that is how their publishers / production houses must have wanted it...

    FTFY

    Let's get one thing straight here; Unless the creator was very good with contract negotiations and/or was a very big name on his/her own (Seus, Rand, Stephen King, etc) , it's the distribution houses that got the copyright and it's the distribution houses that are getting these extensions. And even in the name of Seus or Tolkein, it's not even the author that's making money off his works any more. It's his freakin' estate getting a free ride on his fame rather than doing anything productive themselves. Those are the damn freeloaders you need to pull the rug out from under, not the downloader.

  55. UK Public Domain Jan 2014 Includes Doctor Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UK Law allows broadcast TV to enter public domain 50 years after broadcast. As such the first few episodes of Doctor Who broadcast in the Fall of 1963 become public domain Jan 1, 2014. Of couse there are many other shows from 1963 and before that are or will be public domain.

  56. Re:News Alert! Sonny Bono is dead! by weilawei · · Score: 1

    It's not a bad idea to place a time limit on laws. That will really emphasize repassing the ones that matter (e.g, not murdering people, or not hauling them off without a warrant to be tried in absentia in a secret court under secret laws). I'd like to see it also applied per clause or something, so we don't simply repass The Big Book of Laws Law. Also, tying it to a person's lifetime is unsafe. Think of the corporations!

  57. Keep Ayn Rand's books protected by hessian · · Score: 1

    If those go public domain, every Ron Paulite will be posting them everywhere.

    We will die in a flood of one-dimensional characters and cardboard-cutout dilemmas.

    Please make sure they never get into the public domain.

    1. Re:Keep Ayn Rand's books protected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, by all means let's use government power to protect the works of somebody who was so contemptuous of it--for the purpose of protecting most of us from having to put up with seeing her works everywhere.

      Kind of deliciously ironic, huh?

    2. Re:Keep Ayn Rand's books protected by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      so you support censorship, what a wonderful point of view. maybe you should join your local Nazi party.

  58. ESL by tepples · · Score: 1

    I was thinking more "English as a second language", given the French-like spaces before question marks and the French-like spelling of "gouvernement" [sic].

  59. What do ownership and property mean to you? by tepples · · Score: 1

    You disagree that ownership of copyright in a work of authorship implies "ownership of the work" in any useful sense. But what is ownership? Wiktionary defines "owning" something as "hav[ing] rightful possession" of it as property, and its first non-circular, non-real-estate definition of "property" is in term of exclusive rights in a particular thing. But I understand that not everybody agrees with Wiktionary definitions. So to avoid us talking past each other, try telling me how you prefer to define "ownership" and "property", and I'll help you understand why people speak of "ownership of a work".

    1. Re:What do ownership and property mean to you? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You don't own copyright, you hold copyright. Ownership doesn't expire and isn't limited. For most of US history copyright lasted a couple decades at most.

      It's no different than leasing a car. You get its exclusive use, but you don't own it and have to return it when the lease is up. That's copyright; the Constitution says "for limited times".

  60. Ogres have layers by tepples · · Score: 1

    Characters are meant to illustrate IDEAS

    English plurals have ambiguities: did you mean "each character illustrates one idea" or "each character illustrates ideas"? Either way, ideas are like onions in that they have layers. So if you have an ogre character with ideas, your ogre likewise needs to have layers.

    1. Re:Ogres have layers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do have layers, but if all that character has are those layers of a single idea it ends being what most would call unidimensional, which as the GP said is perfectly fine, as it was her intent.

  61. Atlas Shrugged, War and Peace, and LOTR by tepples · · Score: 1

    Atlas Shrugged [has] 645,000 words (and fewer than 100 characters), about 80,000 more than War and Peace

    And both have more words than The Lord of the Rings (481k), which is so long it initially had to be split into three volumes.

  62. Fair use is in the Bible by tepples · · Score: 1

    The Bible alludes to copyright (1 Timothy 5:17-18) but also to fair use (Leviticus 23:22) Any Bible translation publisher who doesn't consider a quotation like DoofusOfDeath's to be a fair use isn't putting the ministry first.

  63. "Atlas Shrugged"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only some things of value were lost.

  64. Formalities by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure the United States is allowed to require such a formality under the Berne Convention, which forms part of the WTO treaty. One loophole suggested soon after the Supreme Court decided Eldred v. Ashcroft was an intellectual property tax, where people who didn't keep copyright registration up to date would be considered tax evaders. It's the same loophole that makes the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate legal.

    1. Re:Formalities by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Then we should leave the Berne convention so we can base our laws on policy instead of a being dictated to by a ratchet mechanism.

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    2. Re:Formalities by jrincayc · · Score: 1

      It would be nice if at least the Berne minimums were used. For example, Berne only requires copyright to last for 50 years after publication (broadcast) for Movies and TV, which would be a good deal better than the US`s 95 years or 70 years after the author's death (depending on year of creation).

      I will believe Berne's the problem for the US when our copyright laws are only as strict as Berne requires, instead of having terms that exceed it in most cases. (I agree that Berne Convention makes the formalities problem much harder to solve.)

  65. What's going on here? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Standard Slashdot operating procedure would seem to dictate that this story shouldn't be posted for at least another 4 weeks.

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  66. Maleficent by westlake · · Score: 1

    Nice, but Maleficent isn't Sleeping Beauty, generic or otherwise.

    Eleanor Audley (1905-1991), actress, Sleeping Beauty, 1959, Maleficent, Cinderella, 1950, Lady Tremaine. (The Wicked Stepmother)

    you always fall for the rascal

    When the Disney version of a fairy take supersedes all other adaptations of the story, it is no small part due to the voice and presence of a vividly realized and compelling villain.

  67. Indeed by hessian · · Score: 1

    For double irony, we can transfer ownership to the Communist party...

  68. The article made a mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article made a mistake. There are exactly two groups that benefit from copyright: the United States government benefits by way of taxes from overly large corporations who can sue the hell out of other corporations, and the overly bloated corporations themselves. The question *you* have to ask yourself is this: If I cannot have access to any knowledge created in my lifetime, then it will become uneconomic to continue the pursuit of knowledge. You will die of whatever your parents or grandparents (or great grandparents) died of because its not economic to pursue anything new. Likewise electronics, physics, farming, music, literature, ....pick. The US government has hamstrung the current generation. They have sold the future to the highest bidder. In truth, a generation should benefit from the previous generation. Instead, the generation just born (newborns in 2014), will be able to benefit from your grandparents research and knowledge when they are middle aged (unless the corporations and government screw them over too). Its odd how the US government has become so completely dysfunctional. Its affecting the US economy, US society, and US standing in the world. Its the Chinese century. The US will lose to China. The Chinese don't even have to work hard at it: America has shot itself in the foot, and copyright is the bullet.

  69. Re:So? by Archtech · · Score: 1

    The Web is a great example. An even more dramatic one is the number system: the digits, the algorithms of arithmetic, etc. If those had just recently been invented, you can bet they would be legally wrapped up as tight as a Monsanto GM seed. And the whole field of science - up until the point where it, too, became a "corporate asset" not to be shared (except in return for a "revenue stream", of course).

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  70. Re:So? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    Yea, by fucking J.D. Salinger himself (or did mentioning that little tidbit weaken your argument too much to make it worthy of a mention?)

    Yes, Sallinger sued, I thought that was too obvious to mention.

    So sad that this is where you've invested your moral outrage, that one of the century's most noted author's sued because he didn't want some talentless ass hat publishing fan fiction (a.k.a. unoriginal self-indulgent feculence) to muddy his genuine, original and critically acclaimed novel.

    I should not have the right to sue someone for writing fan fiction, nor would I want it. As long as Sallinger's name isn't on the sequel except maybe in a disclaimer it isn't going to diminish what Sallinger did at all. And if is unoriginal self-indulgent feculence it isn't going to sell anyway.

    How would this in any way diminish Terry Pratchett? The first draft of that chapter was posted at slashdot and someone asked "Is this some sort of disturbed pratchett fanfic?" rk said "Other authors in SF works is a time-honored tradition. In Pournelle/Niven's Footfall, there is a character who is never named but if you know anything at all about him, is obviously Robert A. Heinlein."

    If it isn't unoriginal self-indulgent feculence the world may have been deprived of some good literature thanks to Sallinger's selfish narcissism.

  71. Ramifications of leaving the WTO on exports by tepples · · Score: 1

    Leaving the Berne Convention would require leaving the WTO. Leaving the WTO might cause the trading partners of the United States to impose import duties or quotas on goods manufactured in the United States. This would hurt not only the entertainment industry.

    1. Re:Ramifications of leaving the WTO on exports by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      While true, it's not a very good justification, as that concern is largely the result of treaties that said industries pushed. These problems are part of the devious design of these agreements, so letting that stop us would mean that their strategy paid off. Fortunately, most of the countries that would raise objections have strong enough ties to the US that we would be able to maintain healthy and fairly uninhibited trade there.

      If you want to avoid economic fallout, one possible alternative would be to draft a treaty that supercedes Berne for member states, that actually requires states to have exceptions similar to fair use, makes DRM and legal protections for copying mutually exclusive, allows countries to reduce their copyright terms without penalty, and so on.

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  72. The statute says "owner" by tepples · · Score: 1

    You don't own copyright, you hold copyright.

    The text of the U.S. copyright statute (Title 17, United States Code), consistently refers to "the owner of copyright" in a work.

    1. Re:The statute says "owner" by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I just looked it up and it appears you're correct.

  73. Turner Movies and Colorization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without copyrights, Ted Turner wouldn't have bought all those movies and colorized them. See, since he owned the original, creating a derivative work AND locking up all the original releases can basically extend the copyright as needed.

    So, assuming a 75 yr copyright, every 70-74.5 yrs, a slightly modified version of each of those films will be released. It doesn't need to be modified much, just being "different" is enough. With the older films unavailable, nobody would be able to release the public domain versions, so the new copyright will be effectively as long as the company feels that re-re-re-re-re-releasing makes financial sense. Then those films will be lost.

    I do not believe this was the intent for copyrights. Protecting profit indefinitely was NEVER the intent.

    Trademarks are another issue. Disney trademarks everything, which do not expire ... ever.

    We need a solution and the best one that I've heard so far is having a registration fee for re-copyrighting a work periodicly. I like a rising scale as time goes on.
    * 0-25 yrs - free
    * 26-50 yrs $10,000 (raised annually by CBO estimates)
    * 51-75 yrs $1,000,000 (raised annually by CBO estimates)
    * 76-100 yrs $1,000,000 annually
    * 101+ yrs public domain regardless of trademark.

    After all, shouldn't a creative business have to actually create something new every 100 yrs?

  74. Re:So? by kmoser · · Score: 1

    I think you mean E. E. Cummings; "e.e. cummings" is a poet's lazy misspelling.

  75. Nazis are too left-wing for me by hessian · · Score: 1

    I come from the camp of people who are paleoconservatives, neoreactionaries, new righters and traditionalists.

    We think the Nazis were amusing, but too far left for us. Also tended to engage in pointless behaviors like murdering Jews, losing wars to Russians and failing in diplomacy with the tea-drinking English.