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Isaac Asimov's 50-Year-Old Prediction For 2014 Is Viral and Wrong

Daniel_Stuckey writes "The media is currently praising Isaac Asimov's vision for 2014, which he articulated in a New York Times opinion piece in 1964. The sci-fi writer imagined visiting the 2014 World Fair, and the global culture and economy the exhibits might reflect. NPR called his many predictions, which range from cordless smart telephones, to robots running our leisure society, to machine-cooked 'automeals,' 'right on.' Business Insider called the forecast 'spot on.' The Huffington Post called the projections 'eerily accurate.' The only thing is, they're not. Taken as a whole, Asimov's vision for 2014 is wildly off. It's more that 'Genius predicted the future 50 years ago' makes for a great article hook. Asimov does hit a couple pretty close to home: He got pretty close to guessing the world population (6.5 billion); he anticipated automated cars ('vehicles with 'robot brains'"); and he seems to have described the current smartphone/tablet craze ('sight-sound' telephones that 'can be used not only to see the people you call but also for studying documents and photographs and reading passages from books.') But he also thought we'd have a colony on the moon, be living under a global population control regime, eating at multi-flavored algae bars, and letting machines prepare us personalized meals. Most divergent of all, he believed that increasing automatization of labor would spawn not inequality or joblessness, but spiritual malaise."

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  1. Link to Asimov's actual article by fv · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary links to four different commentaries but not Asimov's original article. I'd rather get it from the source.

    1. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On reading the original I think it is amazingly accurate.

      Thanks for the link.

    2. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not to be confused with this link to when we discussed these predictions on Slashdot, back in August. Really, I'm surprised Asimov didn't predict that we'd still have dupes in 2014.

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    3. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by cruff · · Score: 3, Informative

      On reading the original I think it is amazingly accurate.

      To me, it didn't seem that accurate in terms of the number of correct predictions. The overall flavor of his predictions seems reasonable, however. After all, he predicted flying cars of a type, and they are still not here. I want my flying car!

    4. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The science and technology are amazingly accurate, the social and cultural changes are not even close; and really the social and cultural issues are far more important. A guaranteed income, mass joblessness, and and strict population controls would all have much, much larger effects on the world we live in than video conferencing and drones on Mars.

    5. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by HeckRuler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If only we could explain what causes this upheaval of the status quo that lead to social and cultural issues. Surely it's the not automation taking jobs while still supplying a net gain in resources! That would never explain why the masses have shit jobs, yet the nation can still support the dole.

      A guaranteed income,

      Welfare, housing assistance, charity. It's rough, but the basics are provided for if you go out and get them.

      mass joblessness,

      Underemployment. College grads are flipping burgers.

      and strict population controls

      China did it. But yeah, it's really not a problem for first-worlders. Asimov didn't see that coming.

      would all have much, much larger effects on the world we live in

      You're using the term "would have" like these things didn't come to pass.

    6. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The science and technology are amazingly accurate, the social and cultural changes are not even close; and really the social and cultural issues are far more important. A guaranteed income, mass joblessness, and and strict population controls would all have much, much larger effects on the world we live in than video conferencing and drones on Mars.

      It figures. In his writing, the scientific concepts were pretty mind-blowing, but the characters were flat as pancakes and the dialog was abysmal. He struck me as a writer who understands technology a lot better than its effects on people, and he didn't seem to be in tune with how people interact.

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    7. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by samkass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      - Access to affordable birth control. In third world countries, birth control isn't always affordable or easy to come by.

      These predictions were made in 1964. "The pill" had just become available for birth control use in the United States a few years previous, but only in some states and only to married women... it wasn't generally available to any woman who wanted it in all states until the early 70's. Maybe it was because he was a male, but not realizing the impact this would have on the (developed) world seems to be one of his bigger oversights.

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    8. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by Chalnoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Welfare, housing assistance, charity. It's rough, but the basics are provided for if you go out and get them.

      Knowing a number of extremely poor people, this isn't even remotely true. Especially not of late, when we have the national and state governments cutting back so severely on various programs to help the poor. I have one friend, for example, who has precisely zero normal income (due to various family issues and an untreated disability). Yet she has an incredibly hard time getting any sort of aid, because she has no proof of income!

      This is why we need an unconditional basic income, instead of all these stupid programs. The very large number of conditions set on the various programs to help the poor end up guaranteeing that many extremely poor people get left out, if only because they have a hard time supplying the paperwork to prove that they qualify. Poor people also very frequently have a hard time traveling any significant distance, meaning that if they live in rural America, traveling to the various government offices to apply for aid becomes a significant burden. Some of the required documents (e.g. birth certificate) also come along with charges that are difficult to cover.

      There is no good reason for this. Nobody deserves to be left destitute on the street, so we should just guarantee a base level of income so that nobody has to. Get your Social Security card, and get your monthly check, end of story (paid for with a moderate hike in income taxes). That way almost nobody will fall through the cracks.

      And the most awesome thing about a guaranteed basic income that is high enough: if it is high enough that not working becomes a viable option, then it will break the stranglehold that employers have over their employees. Employers will actually have to provide decent working conditions and/or pay, or they will quickly find themselves without employees.

    9. Re:Link to Asimov's actual article by DexterIsADog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The science and technology are amazingly accurate, the social and cultural changes are not even close; and really the social and cultural issues are far more important. A guaranteed income, mass joblessness, and and strict population controls would all have much, much larger effects on the world we live in than video conferencing and drones on Mars.

      It figures. In his writing, the scientific concepts were pretty mind-blowing, but the characters were flat as pancakes and the dialog was abysmal. He struck me as a writer who understands technology a lot better than its effects on people, and he didn't seem to be in tune with how people interact.

      You're right, he was clueless about people. As part of his security entourage at a couple of Star Trek cons in NY (don't ask), I spent plenty of time talking with him and observing. Very nice guy (he wrote me a personalized limerick about having two penises!), but not very perceptive about people.

    10. Re: Link to Asimov's actual article by ultranova · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Rather than pay my employees more so I can stay in business, but make less money myself, I too could simply not work and make a decent wage.

      Your business is obviously not providing much, if any, added value if you can't make it profitable without an endless supply of desperate people to exploit. It would be an awesome boost to economy to have such living dead enterprises go under and release the resources they've tie up for the use of actually profitable ones.

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  2. I beg to differ by vikingpower · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most divergent of all, he believed that increasing automatization of labor would spawn not inequality or joblessness, but spiritual malaise.

    How is this different from what we have now, I insist and ask ?

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    1. Re:I beg to differ by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There is a lot less influence from religion and a far greater part of social contact is indirectly, through devices.
      Our current spiritual "average" situation may wel look like malaise to somebody living in 1964.

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    2. Re:I beg to differ by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Asimov thought we'd automate everything and everyone would basically have access to everything they really desired. He thought everyone living like kings and never having to work would make everyone a bit depressed and dissatisfied with their lives.

    3. Re:I beg to differ by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wasn't it? Brooding over existential issues is a pastime largely confined to the better off (it's hard to worry about the meaning of life when you're more worried about getting enough food to eat). It could be argued that by increasing affluence enough that large segments of the population are secure enough to be having these sorts of issues, automation did cause the malaise.

    4. Re:I beg to differ by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Keep in mind Asimov was an avowed atheist, and his description of "spiritual malaise" referred more to human nature, and less to going to church.

    5. Re:I beg to differ by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What he said in his books was that he was essentially since late childhood, but he was pretty scared of admitting it in public. Atheists have made amazing progress in social acceptability since 1980, and a lot of people who hate on "new atheists" don't understand that people feared for their lives and careers, and couldn't talk in public at all.

    6. Re:I beg to differ by Intron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most divergent of all, he believed that increasing automatization of labor would spawn not inequality or joblessness, but spiritual malaise.

      How is this different from what we have now, I insist and ask ?

      The 60s were different in that they were one of the few times when there wasn't increasing inequality/joblesness - people married young and could hold on to a job for 50 years - which is the outlier, not the historical norm. Just look at the 19th century by comparison. For a bit more discussion, see here.

      Having lived through that period, there was a general feeling that we could do anything: stop wars, have civil rights, go to the moon, end poverty by sharing as taught in the bible^W the Whole Earth Catalog. It was a dream, but a pretty good one. Even though the war in Iraq was as unjust and pointless as Vietnam, there was a lot less marching and rock-throwing. People seem to not believe that they can change things. I would call that a malaise.

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    7. Re:I beg to differ by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is a myth that's repeatedly been debunked. US industrial output has grown steadily since the 1960's, it's only industrial employment that has been dropping:

      http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/us-manufacturing-is-not-dead.html

      Manufacturing jobs are not going over sees, they're disappearing completely. Much like we once went from a society where most people were involved in agriculture to one where a few percent can produce more food than the rest of society can consume, we're now in similar process in manufacturing.

  3. Biggest oops by blogan · · Score: 5, Funny

    He keeps thinking there will be a 2014 World's Fair.

    1. Re:Biggest oops by ahaweb · · Score: 5, Informative

      The next world's fair will be in Milan, Italy, 2015. http://www.milanworldsfair.com/

  4. Re:And your predictions? by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's easy to win on predictions - just make sure your predictions are obvious. Throw in a "robot controlled car" or two to make people think and so you don't get 100% and you're golden. Hence

    - People will continue to be stupid.
    - There will be wars still.
    - Computers will become cheaper, more powerful, more "invisible" and thus more ubiquitous.
    - We'll send more stuff out of the atmosphere, and it won't just be the US doing so.
    - We'll make advances in personal medicine in (pick any particular area here, say, genetics, or mental health).
    - etc. etc. etc.

    Read Asimov's predictions: the more specific you are, the less accurate you will be. Multi-flavoured algae is a sci-fi staple, one up from a magic meal-pill. Automated cars? We could have had them back in the 40's, it depends on your definition of automated (hint: When was the first autopilot invented? - go looking for the answer on the BBC TV show "QI"). Video phones? People have been predicting them since before TV existed. World population? Just extrapolate the curve and you won't go far wrong. The rest is all stuff that could easily have happened, we just didn't happen to go in those directions.

    The problem with predicting the future isn't in being right. It's in being USEFUL in being right. None of the above predictions are helpful to anyone, even if you could GUARANTEE they would be correct. Which, even Asimov, who had a pretty good grasp of what the future could be, couldn't be better than about 20%.

  5. Re:And your predictions? by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seeing your gripe at Asimov's article I am very curious... What are your predictions for 2064?

    The Year of Linux on the Desktop?

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  6. Not bad by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From one of TFAs:

    ... mankind will suffer badly from the disease of boredom, a disease spreading more widely each year and growing in intensity. This will have serious mental, emotional and sociological consequences, and I dare say that psychiatry will be far and away the most important medical specialty in 2014. The lucky few who can be involved in creative work of any sort will be the true elite of mankind, for they alone will do more than serve a machine.

    But what he failed to grasp was that the mindset of people in general changes. So if we're all bored, all we'll do is invent shit like facebook, and call it 'an integrated part of our society'. But he knew that 'passing time' isn't just some thing to do. This guy was a genius to conclude that robots would be doing a lot of the labor that men used to do, and since the people would be so great in numbers, they'd get bored to such an extent that would cause them mental repercussions. This is beyond what anyone would have been able to experience up to the 60's, in my opinion.

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  7. His Smartphone prediction was incredible but... by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Funny

    he failed to predict they would have rounded corners, which everyone knows is the true genius of the smartphone.

  8. Re:Only Art by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't be so dismissive of recipes.

    The 2nd thing that the printing press was used for was recipes.

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  9. Re:And your predictions? by doti · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You overestimate sex.

    Once you can get it freely and any time you want, it eventually decays into just another thing you do for pleasure, or even just to satisfy another nature's urge.

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  10. All that diveregent? Really? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have yet to see how inequality and joblessness don't cause "spiritual malaise" as a consequence. At least they certainly have "serious mental, emotional and sociological consequences", even if not along the same pathway. Ask your psychiatrist.

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  11. Re:And your predictions? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bullshit. Make 30 non-trivial predictions, let's see if you get even 10 right.

    Asimov was a smart dude, and he did a lot better at predicting 50 years away than most "technologists"/"futurists" would today.

  12. "eating at multi-flavored algae bars" by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I eat at Taco Bell semi-regularly.

  13. Why so negative? by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, "spot on" is obviously stretching it, but considering the time scale I think he did really well - I doubt anyone today would be able to predict 2064 equally well. Some good examples from the original article:

    State of robotics: "Robots will neither be common nor very good in 2014, but they will be in existence."

    State of space exploration: "By 2014, only unmanned ships will have landed on Mars, though a manned expedition will be in the works."

    Smartphones: "Communications will become sight-sound and you will see as well as hear the person you telephone. The screen can be used not only to see the people you call but also for studying documents and photographs and reading passages from books."

    Fiberoptics for data transmission: "Laser beams will have to be led through plastic pipes, to avoid material and atmospheric interference."

    Flatscreens: "As for television, wall screens will have replaced the ordinary set."

    Slightly too optimistic on the proliferation of programming skills, but remarkable considering the state of computers in 1964: "All the high-school students will be taught the fundamentals of computer technology will become proficient in binary arithmetic and will be trained to perfection in the use of the computer languages that will have developed out of those like the contemporary "Fortran""

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  14. Spritual Malaise is exactly where we are by Gothmolly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If "spiritual malaise" doesn't describe 21st century America, then I don't know what does.

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  15. Re:And your predictions? by Sperbels · · Score: 5, Funny

    Asimov was a smart dude, and he did a lot better at predicting 50 years away than most "technologists"/"futurists" would today.

    Well, it's rather simple to see the future when you're the founder of psychohistory. Duh.

  16. Not that inaccurate. by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about Asimov being that inaccurate. Keep in mind that a lot of what he is describing are exhibits at the 2014 World's fair. These would still be futuristic things even in 2014, but technologically possible. Many of the things he describes are devices or systems that are technically possible, but still not quite reasonable from an economic perspective. Obviously he is way off on some things, but that just goes to show how difficult it is to predict future developments.

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  17. Summary is wrong by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But he also thought we'd have a colony on the moon, be living under a global population control regime, eating at multi-flavored algae bars, and letting machines prepare us personalized meals

    multi-flavor algae: Sodium alginate is a major food additive. many flavors.

      global population control regime:
            china we all know about:
            uzbekistan: forced sterilization or IUD.
            india: more than two children and you can't particiapte in many elective offices
            iran: manadatory contraception to obtain marriage lic.
          USA: ask Sarah Palin what she thinks of Title X
          Israel: ordered sterilizations.

    Auomated custom meal preparation robots:
              http://www.psfk.com/2012/11/burger-making-robot.html#!rgOyn

    Automated labor sparks malaise:
            Foxcon suicide fences. no layoffs just repetitive work that machines won't do.

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    1. Re:Summary is wrong by complete+loony · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Automated custom meal preparation robots

      Go to your local supermarket and really look around. How much of the foods you see purchase there were made exclusively by human hands?

      There is a huge amount of automation in the food industry. It just scales better further up the supply chain.

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    2. Re:Summary is wrong by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Generally the increased automation we see is not of the Rosey the Robot (Jetsons) style, but embedded and back-end automation and semi-AI that incrementally improves. Automation and AI are sneaking in the back door such that they are not so visible to the everyday person in the way most futurists predicted, even though they seem to be having some of the impacts they predicted, such as joblessness.

  18. No, we was right by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We are living under a global population control regime. It's called world finance. The borders are only there to push up the profit margins.

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  19. Re:And your predictions? by HeckRuler · · Score: 3, Funny

    We'll hit global peak oil sometime in there. It's not like all the cars will stop running tomarrow. It's more like oil will get so expensive that people start taking the bus, train, bike. You know, like it did in 2007. That squeeze popped the housing bubble, everyone got poor, had to use the bus anyway, and oil prices returned to sane levels. Plus everyone started digging into any sort of oil potential when it was looking like $100/barrel was coming. Yay improperly damped systems. And while the US might have hit peak oil a while ago, global peak oil is certainly a ways out. 50 years sounds optimistic.

    If things don't change that could break globalization. It'll be a hard lesson to people that they can buy a shirt for $0.50 cents in Bangladesh, sell it here for $10, and still lose money. But of course things will change. Maybe the slow boats will switch the nuclear. Who knows. Maybe solar powered lighter-than-air hydrogen-based sky truckers will save the day.

    The battlefield for the first-world nations will be vastly more automated. A tipping point will come when they want their machines to operate without satellite coverage and a greater degree or autonomy will be introduced. That or mobile connectivity will reign supreme next to air superiority.

    Well see a continued gradual improvement in robotics. What they can do NOW is amazing. Give it 50 years and I imagine they'll be novelty competitors in the Olympics. Even in 50 years, it won't be cost effective to have a personal android maid. That's called a roomba. It doesn't do windows.

    More and more jobs will be automated. Like factory jobs, then clerical jobs, the office worker and low-end technical jobs will fade. Like how we no longer have mail rooms at the office, we will no longer have HR departments. Problem with your paycheck? log in and fill out the complaint form.

    China will suffer setbacks and undergo more change. Everyone knows China is coming online and turning into a super-power. But I think they'll have to go through some growing pains before they rival the USA. They'll develop a middle class. They'll clean up their factory lands. They'll have to decide what "legal" actually means. India is lagging behind China but will have the opportunity to during these stumbles. Europe will continue to consolidate into a single power. Africa will still be a clusterfuck.

    Like how we dealt with black's rights, and women's right and are now dealing with gay's rights, I see we'll deal with the rights of artificial beings. AI's in university servers. They'll break that Turing test in the court room and we'll see how it goes. Mostly though, AI and computers will be still be tools. Google's overmind might know more about you than you do and have the omniscience of a god, but it won't have any over-arcing goals other than fetching you pictures of cats on the Internet.

    We'll have to deal with our bodies and DNA being open to public scrutiny to anyone with a buck. Hello GATAGA.

    People will still be greedy selfish assholes most of the time, but the exceptions will make it all worth it.

  20. Where is Mobile? by Ottibus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The science and technology are amazingly accurate

    I must have been reading a different article. The one I read had working Fusion reactors, cars that float above the ground, Cubic TVs, windowless underground houses, no electic cords, colonies on the moon and automatic cooking machines in every kitchen.

    But the article has absolutely no mention of mobile devices which seems, to me, to be a massive failure of foresight.

  21. Re:And your predictions? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seeing your gripe at Asimov's article I am very curious... What are your predictions for 2064?

    The Year of Linux on the Desktop?

    Nah; Microsoft will have been acquired by Taco Bell by that time... which will then have split up to become a bunch of Baby Bells. One of those Baby Bells will rename itself Microsoft, and split off to only handle the multi-flavoured algae part of the industry, consuming their only competitor, Algae Tastes & Technologies. Their most popular menu item will be the Zune, available in regular, large, and X-Box.

  22. bullshit by RelliK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just as with Nostradamus, bible, etc. "predictions" they kinda sorta came true if you squint at them the right way. And there are enough true believers to parrot praise in unison. However, a more objective look reveals that these "predictions" are way off.

    A guaranteed income,

    Welfare, housing assistance, charity. It's rough, but the basics are provided for if you go out and get them.

    That is NOT guaranteed income. Welfare (in US at least) has existed since 1935, so that's hardly a prediction.

    mass joblessness,

    Underemployment. College grads are flipping burgers.

    Not to the level that was predicted, and certainly not to the level afforded by guaranteed income.

    and strict population controls

    China did it. But yeah, it's really not a problem for first-worlders. Asimov didn't see that coming.

    Precisely. *One* country has a problem with overpopulation. And their solution is NOT strict population controls, but economic disincentives for families that have more than one child (so it costs more, but rich families can afford it).

    would all have much, much larger effects on the world we live in

    You're using the term "would have" like these things didn't come to pass.

    Because it fucking didn't. Quit trying to see things that are not there.

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